subject:"CSWas\: Macular Degeneration; Is\: Being Courteous"

  Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

   Forgot to  say--no  I  didn't build the  frex.  It's  software you
   download.

   Then you can run it through just the computer (which is all I have
   right now) or you can hook up plasma balls.

  [... skip more interesting stuff]

  Samala,
  Renee

  Renee,

  The program  uses   the   computer   sound   card   to  generate the
  frequencies. This  limits it to 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, and many  of the
  important frequencies  are well above that and are out of  reach. It
  only takes  a synthesizer chip and a few wideband op  amps,  and you
  can easily  reach  10  MHz.  This  would  be  extremely inexpensive,
  certainly less  than $50 or so. I'm going to make a few  that  go to
  35Mhz so I can use them in the lab as well.

  I think you mentioned the frex program stops after a certain time.

  There are  zillions of free programs on the web that  use  the sound
  card to  generate frequencies. I just downloaded this one  and tried
  it. It works perfectly! It only makes sine waves, but the frex needs
  that as  the  input  signal.  It  then  squares  them  to  drive the
  electrodes.

  Here's the scoop:
  
  Signal Generator

  http://www.techmind.org/audio/siggen.gif

  Select or  enter  a  frequency (1 to 22050Hz),  an  amplitude  (1 to
  32767), choose left or right channel for output. Press  play sound
  for a one-second burst, or start- and stop sound to  control the
  sound continuously  (up to a limit of 10 hours!). The  Volume slider
  should duplicate  the  Wave volume control on  your  sound-out mixer
  panel. If  the  sound is playing, then  changes  (except  the Volume
  slider) won't be heard until the sound is stopped and restarted.

  Download: SigGen_1v3.exe New version 1.3, available since May 2011.

  Supports multiple  soundcards and better-matched to  Windows Vista/7
  sound models.

  http://www.techmind.org/audio/SigGen_1v3.exe

  http://www.techmind.org/audio/#siggen
  

  There are many, many more similar programs.

  All you need is the frequency list, which you can also get from many
  sources. 

  Let me know if this helps.

  Thanks,

  Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

2012-05-10 Thread Dan Nave

Mike,

I have a hard time taking you seriously when you go off on things like
zapping because the explanation of how they work appears incorrect
from your scientific perspective, and then you go off embracing some
exceedingly questionable voodoo machine which heals from a distance
through the aether by putting a photograph in it...

WTF?

Dan



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:
 Renee,

 I have a lot to learn about this unit, but I found the user manual. They
 won't let you have it on the main site.

  http://altered-states.net/radionic/abpi.pdf

 There is a digital interface so you can input photos. I think the purpose
 for the photo is a bit different than simply running  frequencies through
 it. They claim it works as good as the Polaroid, but it is very expensive:

 http://altered-states.net/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1494;

 Here is some more product info:

 http://altered-states.net/index2.php?/radionic/news.htm

 Thanks,

 Mike Monett

 Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

I wish I could afford one.  Reading about it--hardly anyone has a Polaroid
camera anymore and they've stopped making the film, though a secondary
company still makes small batches of the necessary film.  So since almost no
one will be able to take a Polaroid photo of themselves or their clients,
how will this machine work?  Most black boxes will accept spit or blood.
Some say digital images, though others say a digital does not contain the
necessary frequencies for the machine to 'attach' to.

And--if the machine does all that it says it does, why would anyone need to
attach a frequency device to run frequencies through it?  It sounds like it
does enough work on its own to not need external frequencies.

Samala,
Renee


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

Mike,

I have a hard time taking you seriously when you go off on things like
zapping because the explanation of how they work appears incorrect
from your scientific perspective, and then you go off embracing some
exceedingly questionable voodoo machine which heals from a distance
through the aether by putting a photograph in it...

WTF?

Dan

Dan,

There are different types of zappers. The Beck zapper is low frequency and
claims to kill pathogens with electrons. I listed a Youtube video by Beck
where he claimed it would kill all pathogens. That has not happened. He
also uses stainless electrodes. You may enjoy googling stainless steel
electrolysis hexavalent chromium.

Godzilla is DC. They also used to use stainless steel electrodes made from
forks. I told bG this and he quickly removed references to forks. But he
failed to believe that electrons cannot flow in water, and claimed there
must be some that do.

He is now being introduced to cs on other forums, and there is not much
activity on Beck zapping on these forums.

Clark zappers work on selected frequencies. These are also used on the old
SE-5 Radionics units I used to have. I have been interested in purchasing a
new model but learned of a different one that seems to have better specs.
It claims to have the same range as the SE-5. 

The APBA doesn't have any frequency setting capability, but there is an
input for an external synthesizer that can easily drive it beyond the
maximum frequency range. The chip can be purchased for about $6.00, and all
it needs is an inexpensive usb interface.

The conventional explanation for Clark and Rife zappers is they shake the
bacteria until it falls apart. I pointed out the reasons why this cannot
happen. I did not say it does not work. I said the explanation is faulty.

I first experienced the SE-5 almost three decades ago. There is no way to
explain how they work in conventional physics. But if the $1,800 I spent
for the new APBA results in one that works as well as my old SE-5's, the
money will be very well spent. I have about exhausted my options on killing
the dreadful headaches from the mold toxins. I spent most of yesterday in
bed in agony because the wind had changed and I don't know how the spores
were coming in the apartment, but I could smell an awful odor and could not
even see straight from the pain. 

I hasten to mention that I have sealed every nook, crevice and opening in
the apartment, and I often check the entrance door is sealed so it traps a
piece of paper at every spot along the border. I have sealed the light
switches and electrical outlets. I have sealed the fire alarm and all the
lighting fixtures in the ceiling. I have sealed the gaps in all the closets
that let air in from other parts of the building. I have sealed the windows
so only the air that I want in gets in. 

The apartment is very well sealed. I have electrical heating. I never turn
it on. I have a small radiant heater I made from junk stove parts that is
much more effective than anything you can buy in a store. My entire heating
bill during the coldest part of the winter is $12 per month.

I vacuum ever day with a high-power vacuum system using two separate
vacuums in series and exhaust the dirty air outside. I shut off the window
fan automatically while the vacuum is running so it doesn't blow spores
back into the apartment. I do laundry every day and sterilize all the
bedding at 17 lb per square inch. I take the dryer apart completely after
every laundry session and remove any traces of lint from the drum heat
shield, the lint basket, the front of the air housing, and I take the
blower unit apart and wash the impeller and houseing to remove any traces
of lint. I clean the exhaust ducts. I use my 8 gallon air compressor to
blow lint from the refrigerator compressor radiators on both of the
brand-new refrigerators I have. 

None of this seems to make much difference. I spend more time in bed from
the headaches than I do anything else. I cannot think of much more to do
but to build the ozone treatment unit. Your gracious help in sending me a
powerful ozone machine makes this possible. But I cannot even get started
if I cannot see what I am doing due to the pain. And if it doesn't work,
then what? I feel the APBA and the ozone machines are my last hope.

I agree with you that sticking a photo in a machine for treatment sounds
silly. But it doesn't work on the physical principles we know and
understand. 

In my case I don't need that capability since I am the only one using it.
But it could come in handy for different circumstances. Of course it is
badly overpriced. I wish it did not cost so much, but it could very well
pay for itself under different circumstance. And I'll buy it if it turns
out to be needed.

I think if you can find someone who has had a treatment from one of these
gizmos, they will shake their head and say they don't understand how it
could work. But it does. And I'm

Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:

WOW! That's a lot of different things -- and I for one would LOVE to learn
more about them.

Are there groups and/or web links that you could provide for us to learn
more about these different methods?

Lisa

Me too. Do you think you could post a tiny tutorial to introduce us to
these methods and summarize a bit how they work? It would be nice to get
some pointers to where to search for more information.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com]

You sure have collected a lot of different healing methods! I wonder how
many others there are you haven't mentioned yet:)

Oh, lots and lots.  :)  Been at this alternative stuff for over 25 years
now, ever since I had cancer.  Just love to 'collect' information on
healing.  Never sick here so don't have a lot to experiment with, but I
usually try things out when I can, just to see.

I think some of the BEST methods are the easiest and are free to do.  My
favorite is The Emotion Code, then EFT, then DMT, then MIR.  The Emotion
Code is remarkable and uses muscle testing to release trapped emotions.  EFT
is a more complicated tapping procedure but once you learn it it's
invaluable.  DMT is a simplified tapping procedure that works wonders for
physical problems.  MIR is a new method I've just learned that I think will
be very powerful, and is super simple to do.

These emotional things SEEM to be 1) too simple to work 2) most people don't
understand the emotional part of illness

Because they are simple and free people often overlook them and don't
understand their power.  And then most people do not understand the
underlying reason for illness, which is almost always buried in emotions.
Even if you cure the physical problem if you don't deal with the emotions
the problem simply comes back, usually in the same form but a different
area, but sometimes even in the same area.  That's why it's so common for a
person to get cancer again--the doctor's famous '5 year' thing (if you make
it 5 years cancer free you could possibly stay cancer free) because most
people get it back in under 5 years.  Just because you have it cut out,
burnt out, etc, but you have NOT addressed the emotional aspects, the
thought processes and looked for some spiritual answers, it just comes back.
Address those 3 and you are almost sure never to be bothered by cancer
again.

It is said--and I believe it, that everything starts on the spiritual level
and if corrected there we'd never get sick.  But we are almost totally
unaware of the spirit level.

From there it goes to the mental level.  Again, if we were aware and fixed
the mental issue we would never get sick.

Then it goes emotional level.  If we stopped it there we'd never get sick.
But we simply don't understand our emotions, let alone deal with them.  So
because we don't, then the body takes on physical symptoms of illness.  We
can't ignore that like we can emotions, thoughts and spirit.

So though we may fix the physical symptoms, if we haven't dealt with the
emotions especially, but also the thoughts and spirit, then illness simply
comes back.  And usually dealing with the emotions kind of also takes care
of the thoughts that go along since thoughts and emotions are very closely
linked.  The spirit--well, any truly healthy person has a healthy spiritual
side.  You cannot live in darkness and be healthy.  But it does help to
address the spiritual side when ill, because that allows the physical 'cure'
to happen faster.

We are such wondrous beings!

Oh shoot--how can I forget the SEM water cards and the SSS cards?  They are
also free and very powerful.  :)  and they work through the frequency
category!

Samala,
Renee

Renee, you should take some of this and have it printed in gold and framed,
and sell it on eBay. I believe this is one of the most truthful and
important posts on the SilverList.

What are SEM Water Cards and SSS cards? You have a lot you can teach us.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

I no longer use electrodes.  I also used electrode pads for a while,
but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds were
gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years since
getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered. Makes
normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged
on the road. Then I use the  ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for
balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground
and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna

Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an
extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on
business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of travel
would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California and ask
her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would drain away
and I would start to be rejeuvinated.

The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it lacks a
sticky pad for diagnosis:

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not surprising. I
found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or anywhere
else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back into this
technology.

I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the
pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in the
Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense from an
engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to get
started.

For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to
read. 

How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need treating?

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

Yes, this is called iontophoresis. For example, copper is an excellent
antibiotic. Hwever, it corrodes easily and can pick up all kinds of
unwanted contamination. This would be injected into the flesh along with
the copper ions.

The velocity of the copper ions is very low since the applied
electromagnetic field is so small. The ions would have to migrate through
the small space between the cells and won't get very far. So the volume of
flesh involved is very low, and mainly just the area in the immediate
vicinity of the positive electrode.

The negative electrode releases hydrogen gas and hydroxide ions, the same
as in regular silver electrolysis and the electrolysis of water.

The current for iontophoresis is very low, perhaps in the hundreds of
microamperes. The amount of copper released into the skin is very small.

You can do a Faraday calculation to see how much is delivered.

For example, a current of 250uA for 45 minutes would deliver about 22ppm to
a volume of 1 cubic centimeter.

This might be of some use for infections that are close to the surface,
such as abcesses and tooth problems, etc. However, using a high-ionic cs
sublingually will work much better for dental problems and also work with
the immune system to kill pathogens throughout the body.

Thanks,

Mike Monett

The copper ions would have one significant advantage over silver in
iontophoresis.

Silver ions combine with the chlorine from the sodium and potassium salts
in the blood plasma and form silver chloride, AgCl. The equation is

Ag+ + OH- + Na+ + Cl- -- AgCl + Na+ + OH-

AgCl is mostly insoluble and precipitates out as a white solid. Here is an
example of a Salt Test after sublingual absorption compared to the same cs
raw. Note the sublingual dispersion is a bit darker, but both dispersions
completely block the black card behind the shot glass:

http://silvercentral.org/zimag/3f0c5ab2.jpg

This shows very little silver is absorbed into the bloodstream, only 25
parts per billion in a typical male. This is far too low to have any effect
on pathogens, certainly viruses, but it is all that is needed for the
immune system to do its job.

Silver chloride is much less effective as an antibiotic than plain Ag+. I
have heard numbers of 300 times less effective up to 10,000 times poorer.

Copper doesn't have this problem, and is apparently second only to silver
as an antibiotic.

The reason copper avoids the problem is the huge solubility of copper(II)
chloride. It is 75.7 g/100 mL at 25C. I expect the equation would be

Cu++ + 2OH- + 2Na+ + 2Cl- -- CuCl2 + 2NaOH

or something like that. But the CuCl2 would remain in solution at only 25
ppm, so the result would be Cu-- + 2Cl-, and the copper would be free to
attack pathogens.

The only problem is getting pure samples of copper and keeping them clean.

So for a localized infection, copper might be worth trying. For other
infections, or anything to do with viruses, sublingual silver might be more
effective.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Lena,

I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be the
closest to the SE-5. 

I trust that you looked at them also, and decided on the ABPA, so I will do
the same. I will place an order for one today as soon as I get your reply.
Is there anything else I should get with it?

I won't need the interface adapter. I will make my own FScan 2 and it will
have the correct level to drive the ABPA so I can do the same thing you are
doing.

The Vortex Cable looks like it is essential for the things I want to do.
Fortunately it comes with the unit.

Do the pads work? Is there a reason to get them?

Here is the url I am looking at. Is it the correct one?

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

Thanks,

Mike Monett

Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

I no longer use electrodes.  I also used electrode pads for a while,
but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds were
gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years since
getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered. Makes
normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged
on the road. Then I use the  ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for
balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground
and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna

Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an
extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on
business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of travel
would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California and ask
her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would drain away
and I would start to be rejeuvinated.

The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it lacks a
sticky pad for diagnosis:

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not surprising. I
found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or anywhere
else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back into this
technology.

I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the
pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in the
Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense from an
engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to get
started.

For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to
read. 

How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need treating?

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

2012-05-09 Thread Tel Tofflemire

This junk has come and gone over the years, but people still pay  
$1,000's of dollars to try it.  We can see it all in a yard sale in a  
few years, so save your money  Wait for the garage sale.

Tel, Herbalist

RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

I wish I could afford one.  Reading about it--hardly anyone has a Polaroid
camera anymore and they've stopped making the film, though a secondary
company still makes small batches of the necessary film.  So since almost no
one will be able to take a Polaroid photo of themselves or their clients,
how will this machine work?  Most black boxes will accept spit or blood.
Some say digital images, though others say a digital does not contain the
necessary frequencies for the machine to 'attach' to.

And--if the machine does all that it says it does, why would anyone need to
attach a frequency device to run frequencies through it?  It sounds like it
does enough work on its own to not need external frequencies.

Samala,
Renee

-Original Message-

I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be the
closest to the SE-5. 



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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Hmmm, that's exactly what my cousin, who worked in computers for the
government (when they took up whole rooms, he was sent to fix them), told me
25 years ago when I asked him what he thought of the Comodor 64.  He told
me-outside of maybe keeping track of recipes, there's nothing in a computer
anyone needs.  They say it does word processing.  You can still write
letters on a typewriter so who needs word processing.  Save your money and
in a short while you'll see these sitting at garage sales for $10.

 

J

 

Samala,

Renee

 

From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous:
Open-mindedness to healing modalities

 

This junk has come and gone over the years, but people still pay $1,000's of
dollars to try it.  We can see it all in a yard sale in a few years, so save
your money  Wait for the garage sale.

Tel, Herbalist

Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

I got my ABPA A2 because it's what the frequency foundation had used  
effectively for delivering my frx. Was far too sick then to do the  
homework you may need to do now. Won't engage in recommendations.

On May 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

Lena,

I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be  
the

closest to the SE-5.

I trust that you looked at them also, and decided on the ABPA, so I  
will do
the same. I will place an order for one today as soon as I get your  
reply.

Is there anything else I should get with it?

I won't need the interface adapter. I will make my own FScan 2 and it  
will
have the correct level to drive the ABPA so I can do the same thing  
you are

doing.

The Vortex Cable looks like it is essential for the things I want to do.
Fortunately it comes with the unit.

Do the pads work? Is there a reason to get them?

Here is the url I am looking at. Is it the correct one?

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

Thanks,

Mike Monett

Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:


Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:


I no longer use electrodes.  I also used electrode pads for a while,
but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds  
were
gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years  
since
getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered.  
Makes

normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged
on the road. Then I use the  ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for
balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground
and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna


Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an
extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on
business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of  
travel
would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California  
and ask
her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would  
drain away

and I would start to be rejeuvinated.

The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it  
lacks a

sticky pad for diagnosis:

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not  
surprising. I
found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or  
anywhere
else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back  
into this

technology.

I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the
pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in  
the
Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense  
from an
engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to  
get

started.

For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to
read.

How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need  
treating?


Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities


Hi Renée,
I've used mine effectively with hair samples in the input well. I just  
update the sample every few months.


I'd use the ABPA A2 exclusively for convenience sake, and it's got  
about 1000 pages of programming in it, but the complexities of Lyme  
have proved to require more so I use the FScan most of the time as  
well, with the ABPA A2 as a holding/balancing pattern for when I don't  
have electricity. Sometime, I may stop the FScan for a couple months'  
test and see what happens. After 45+ years of Lyme, I'm unwilling to  
lose any ground at the moment.  Be well,

Léna
On May 9, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Renee wrote:

I wish I could afford one.  Reading about it--hardly anyone has a  
Polaroid

camera anymore and they've stopped making the film, though a secondary
company still makes small batches of the necessary film.  So since  
almost no
one will be able to take a Polaroid photo of themselves or their  
clients,

how will this machine work?  Most black boxes will accept spit or blood.
Some say digital images, though others say a digital does not contain  
the

necessary frequencies for the machine to 'attach' to.

And--if the machine does all that it says it does, why would anyone  
need to
attach a frequency device to run frequencies through it?  It sounds  
like it

does enough work on its own to not need external frequencies.

Samala,
Renee

-Original Message-

I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be  
the

closest to the SE-5.



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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Renee,

I have a lot to learn about this unit, but I found the user manual. They
won't let you have it on the main site.

 http://altered-states.net/radionic/abpi.pdf

There is a digital interface so you can input photos. I think the purpose
for the photo is a bit different than simply running  frequencies through
it. They claim it works as good as the Polaroid, but it is very expensive:

http://altered-states.net/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1494;

Here is some more product info:

http://altered-states.net/index2.php?/radionic/news.htm

Thanks,

Mike Monett

Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

I wish I could afford one.  Reading about it--hardly anyone has a Polaroid
camera anymore and they've stopped making the film, though a secondary
company still makes small batches of the necessary film.  So since almost no
one will be able to take a Polaroid photo of themselves or their clients,
how will this machine work?  Most black boxes will accept spit or blood.
Some say digital images, though others say a digital does not contain the
necessary frequencies for the machine to 'attach' to.

And--if the machine does all that it says it does, why would anyone need to
attach a frequency device to run frequencies through it?  It sounds like it
does enough work on its own to not need external frequencies.

Samala,
Renee


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-09 Thread mborgert

Nenah, Is the best!!!
I use another pemf device so far it has cured me of a torn rotator cuff, healed 
a root canal, 3 broken bones in my hand.
  I am currently working with a 98 yr old woman who had MD, i have used the 
device 5 times, she was totally blind in rt eye now she can see but with a 
film, 
her left eye is so much better, she is now writing letters and her penmanship 
is 
awesome.  it has cured her incontinence, pain in shoulders, and back and her 
knees.  She is walking straight again without her walker.  She no longer wears 
her hearing aids, this I was not targeting but it happened anyway.
There are many many more cures from myself and her but this is to give you a 
few.
She is going to eye dr in 2 weeks, we will see then.
Mary





From: slickpic...@cox.net slickpic...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 11:14:15 AM
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

Years ago, shortly after I signed up, Nenah was among the first to respond to 
my 
post about my wife's (and my own) significant health problems, and she did so 
with detailed, compassionate, and constructive suggestions. I will always be 
grateful for her kindness.

Terry


 Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: 

=
Hey Sweetie, 
Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's always 
good, and well thought out. 
Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just try 
to
start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave Dr.Nenah
alone she is a smart lady.
Tel Tofflemire




From: NenahSylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous



If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.
 
I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use
of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
helpful.
 
For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades,
there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
degenerative
conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were 
published
in respected medical journals. 
http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
  You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
site and your searches may be worth it.
 
Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name
can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.
 
All the best,
Nenah
 
NenahSylver, PhD
author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-09 Thread Ode Coyote




   Mike is right...all electron flow  in a liquid is carried by 
electrochemical reactions... ions and anions [unless there is enough power 
to form an ionized  plasma gas channel ]

 The process of forming these chemical [probably] generates heat.
Made very fast... a LOT of heat, vaporizing the liquid into an ionizing gas.
[Mike can confirm or clarify]

In the case of the Zappers, the main electrochemicals are formed from the 
salt in the blood [Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide as the dominating 
metal hydroxide ] and can build up in the skin faster than the circulation 
can dilute them, causing chemical burns.


Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. ..similar to MMS
Zappers can and do work as many will attest, but not the way Back says they do.


Some mainstream confirmation:
http://silverpuppy.com/Shunned%20Cure.html

ode

At 10:05 AM 5/8/2012 -0400, you wrote:


On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett 
mailto:mrmon...@pstca.commrmon...@pstca.com wrote:


Â  But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and 
therefore

cannot reach pathogens to kill them.


Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. 
Current is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is?


Olushola



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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-09 Thread PT Ferrance

Hi Mary,
Which PEMF do you use?  I have been talking about them with a colleague and it 
is nice to know which ones give good results.
Thanks.
PT

--- On Wed, 5/9/12, mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net wrote:

From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 2:47 PM

Nenah, Is the best!!!
I use another pemf device so far it has cured me of a torn rotator cuff, healed 
a root canal, 3 broken bones in my hand.
  I am currently working with a 98 yr old woman who had MD, i have used the 
device 5 times, she was totally blind in rt eye now she can see but with a 
film, her left eye is so much better, she is now writing letters and her 
penmanship is awesome.  it has cured her incontinence, pain in shoulders, and 
back and her knees.  She is walking straight again without her walker.  She no 
longer wears her hearing aids, this I was not targeting but it happened anyway.
There are many many more cures from myself and her but this is to give you a 
few.
She is going to eye dr in 2 weeks, we will see then.
Mary

From: slickpic...@cox.net slickpic...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 11:14:15 AM
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

 Years ago, shortly after I signed up, Nenah was among the first to respond to 
my post about my wife's (and my own) significant health problems, and she did 
so with detailed, compassionate, and constructive suggestions. I will always be 
grateful for her
 kindness.

Terry

 Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: 

=
Hey Sweetie, 
Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's always 
good, and well thought out. 
Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just try 
to
start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave Dr.Nenah
alone she is a smart lady.
Tel Tofflemire

 From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.

I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use
of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
helpful.

For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades,
there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
degenerative
conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were 
published
in respected medical journals. 
http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
  You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
site and your searches may be worth it.

Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name
can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.

All the best,
Nenah 

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com

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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

There's a special interface connector that enables them to work  
together.
Thanks, Lyme IS a monstrous and complex disease and I've very lucky to  
have come through its tunnel so far. Patience is the main thing,  
followed by methodical treatment: no days off.


Be well,
Léna

On May 9, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Renee wrote:

Hey Lena.  So you run both most of the time.  Is the Fscan hooked up  
to the ABPA 2 or do you run them separate?  Just curious.  I’m glad  
you found something that works since I’ve read how bad lyme is for  
most people.  A terrible thing.


Samala,
Renee

After 45+ years of Lyme, I'm unwilling to lose any ground at the  
moment.  Be well,

Léna

RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Hey Lena.  So you run both most of the time.  Is the Fscan hooked up to the
ABPA 2 or do you run them separate?  Just curious.  Im glad you found
something that works since Ive read how bad lyme is for most people.  A
terrible thing.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

After 45+ years of Lyme, I'm unwilling to lose any ground at the moment.  Be
well,

Léna

RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Whew--that digital explanation sounds like a bunch of nonsense.  A digital
image is a digital image, whether it's in a flash drive, on a computer or in
his device.  The idea that his device is the only one that makes a loop just
sounds phony.  The way they make it sound would be like you'd have to do the
photo taking to have that in the device, because otherwise, if someone
across the country took their own photo and sent you the digital image then
you stored that digital image into their device--how would it still 'track'
the person, since it wasn't taken with the device itself?  They are saying
their device will take any digital image and then track it--but how is that
possible if it's a still digital image taken days, weeks, months ago?

So basically what they have is something that you input a digital image
into, then it 'transfers' that image to that flat green (probably metal)
sheet that fits into the photo well on the machine.  Then supposedly it will
track the person.  Maybe because it's on the plate  which fits?

If that's the case then buying one of those little keychain things that hold
x number of digital photos should work too, because they'd fit in the slot
and would contain the digital image.  

Because the Awhatever machine did the tracking for the Polaroid, which means
if a digital is input into the slot/well, then it should be able to track it
too.  And a cheap way of fitting an actual digital image into that slot, and
not a printed out copy of the digital image (which probably wouldn't work as
it wouldn't have the digital signal) then a small digital image holder
should do the same thing as it will have the image actually showing while a
flash drive simply contains the image but doesn't show it.  I think all they
are doing is showing the image inside the slot so the machine can 'see' it
like it 'saw' the Polaroid. 

At least that's my theory.  :)

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-

There is a digital interface so you can input photos. I think the purpose
for the photo is a bit different than simply running  frequencies through
it. They claim it works as good as the Polaroid, but it is very expensive:



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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

I got my ABPA A2 because it's what the frequency foundation had used  
effectively for delivering my frx. Was far too sick then to do the  
homework you may need to do now. Won't engage in recommendations.

Lena,

Lena,

Thanks for the info. You have one, it works, and you are still using it.
The manufacturer claims equal performance to the SE-5. That's good enough
for me.

I have looked at reviews of the other machines but none seem to have as
complete  a set of specifications as the ABPA. I'll try it and if I get
anywhere close to the performance of the SE-5 I'll be happy.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

Whew--that digital explanation sounds like a bunch of nonsense.  A digital
image is a digital image, whether it's in a flash drive, on a computer or in
his device.  The idea that his device is the only one that makes a loop just
sounds phony.  The way they make it sound would be like you'd have to do the
photo taking to have that in the device, because otherwise, if someone
across the country took their own photo and sent you the digital image then
you stored that digital image into their device--how would it still 'track'
the person, since it wasn't taken with the device itself?  They are saying
their device will take any digital image and then track it--but how is that
possible if it's a still digital image taken days, weeks, months ago?

So basically what they have is something that you input a digital image
into, then it 'transfers' that image to that flat green (probably metal)
sheet that fits into the photo well on the machine.  Then supposedly it will
track the person.  Maybe because it's on the plate  which fits?

If that's the case then buying one of those little keychain things that hold
x number of digital photos should work too, because they'd fit in the slot
and would contain the digital image.  

Because the Awhatever machine did the tracking for the Polaroid, which means
if a digital is input into the slot/well, then it should be able to track it
too.  And a cheap way of fitting an actual digital image into that slot, and
not a printed out copy of the digital image (which probably wouldn't work as
it wouldn't have the digital signal) then a small digital image holder
should do the same thing as it will have the image actually showing while a
flash drive simply contains the image but doesn't show it.  I think all they
are doing is showing the image inside the slot so the machine can 'see' it
like it 'saw' the Polaroid. 

At least that's my theory.  :)

Samala,
Renee

I have no idea how it would work either, but it sounds pricey. Anyway, I
got the shipping info from James and transferred the funds to my Paypal
account, so I'm ready to go ahead with the order as soon as he replies.

This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I sure
would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not wake  up
clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other crap
from the toxins.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

I DO hope it works for you.  What a blessing huh?  Do let us know.  If it's
that good it may be worth saving up for.  It's hard to distinguish which
device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people
on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they
have.  So it's hard to say which one to spend money on.

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-

This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I sure
would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not wake  up
clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other crap
from the toxins.

Thanks,

Mike Monett




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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

I DO hope it works for you.  What a blessing huh?  Do let us know.  If it's
that good it may be worth saving up for.  It's hard to distinguish which
device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people
on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they
have.  So it's hard to say which one to spend money on.

Samala,
Renee

Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo
groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other
lists to look for?

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

An ABPA A2 can only send to one subject at a time, so a thumb-drive  
with other photos would be counter-productive. Again, my ABPA A2 gets  
the frx to me using my DNA from hair sample in the input well. That's  
the way quantum entanglement works. I still have some Polaroid film  
for my camera, but prefer samples. They're more convenient and work  
just as well. Léna

On May 9, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Renee wrote:

Whew--that digital explanation sounds like a bunch of nonsense.  A  
digital
image is a digital image, whether it's in a flash drive, on a computer  
or in
his device.  The idea that his device is the only one that makes a  
loop just
sounds phony.  The way they make it sound would be like you'd have to  
do the

photo taking to have that in the device, because otherwise, if someone
across the country took their own photo and sent you the digital image  
then
you stored that digital image into their device--how would it still  
'track'
the person, since it wasn't taken with the device itself?  They are  
saying
their device will take any digital image and then track it--but how is  
that

possible if it's a still digital image taken days, weeks, months ago?

So basically what they have is something that you input a digital image
into, then it 'transfers' that image to that flat green (probably metal)
sheet that fits into the photo well on the machine.  Then supposedly  
it will

track the person.  Maybe because it's on the plate  which fits?

If that's the case then buying one of those little keychain things  
that hold
x number of digital photos should work too, because they'd fit in the  
slot

and would contain the digital image.

Because the Awhatever machine did the tracking for the Polaroid, which  
means
if a digital is input into the slot/well, then it should be able to  
track it
too.  And a cheap way of fitting an actual digital image into that  
slot, and
not a printed out copy of the digital image (which probably wouldn't  
work as

it wouldn't have the digital signal) then a small digital image holder
should do the same thing as it will have the image actually showing  
while a
flash drive simply contains the image but doesn't show it.  I think  
all they
are doing is showing the image inside the slot so the machine can  
'see' it

like it 'saw' the Polaroid.

At least that's my theory.  :)

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-

There is a digital interface so you can input photos. I think the  
purpose
for the photo is a bit different than simply running  frequencies  
through
it. They claim it works as good as the Polaroid, but it is very  
expensive:




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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Yes, I was just thinking about the cost of their special digital thingand
how it would work.  You can put just one image on a flash drive, but their
info made it sound like because it wasnt being seen by the machine, it
wouldnt send rebound messages.  Of course, their green sheet doesnt show
an actual image, but they were making it sound as if it contained  the
digital image.

 

But like youI think the hair sample is fine.  Thats how all the black
boxes Ive ever seen workedon spit, blood, hair, a Polaroid even a
signature written in ink by the person.  So I dont really see a need for
that expensive piece of equipment.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

An ABPA A2 can only send to one subject at a time, so a thumb-drive with
other photos would be counter-productive. Again, my ABPA A2 gets the frx to
me using my DNA from hair sample in the input well. That's the way quantum
entanglement works. I still have some Polaroid film for my camera, but
prefer samples. They're more convenient and work just as well. Léna

RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Oh, the only 'electric' lists I'm on is Dr. Loyds, Frex and
microelectricgermkiller.  I'm sure there are other good ones but since I
don't have any machines (other than the Godzilla I put together and the FREX
which I just recently got) and don't understand electronics enough to build
one, these are the only ones I'm on.  Godzilla is a simple 6 volt battery
that works wonders for wounds, teeth, etc.  FREX is a frequency device that
does amazing things.  You can download the whole frex software for free and
run everything--the only thing is it is set to run for x amount of time and
then you have to start it back up again, whereas if you buy the program you
can set it to continous loop or however long you want it and it will run.
It contains about all the different frequencies that are well known.

Maybe someone else will tell us some good lists to join.  If you are
interested in FREX I can send the link.  Going to be leaving the house for a
few hours in just a moment so don't have time to--well, wait--here it is:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/  
here's dr loyd's list
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/drloyd/

neither is specific for the frex or Dr. Loyd's devices, but Dr. Loyd works
long distance with people and has remedies and tincture to buy.  Frex's list
owner, Ken, is a chiropractor in Australia and very well informed about
alternative health protocols.  Lots of good information there.

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 

Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo
groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other
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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-09 Thread MaryAnn Helland

OK -- now you've got me curious.  What is a pemf device?  And do you have a 
link 
to the one that you have?
MA





From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 9:48:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous


Nenah, Is the best!!!
I use another pemf device so far it has cured me of a torn rotator cuff, healed 
a root canal, 3 broken bones in my hand.
  I am currently working with a 98 yr old woman who had MD, i have used the 
device 5 times, she was totally blind in rt eye now she can see but with a 
film, 
her left eye is so much better, she is now writing letters and her penmanship 
is 
awesome.  it has cured her incontinence, pain in shoulders, and back and her 
knees.  She is walking straight again without her walker.  She no longer wears 
her hearing aids, this I was not targeting but it happened anyway.
There are many many more cures from myself and her but this is to give you a 
few.
She is going to eye dr in 2 weeks, we will see then.
Mary





From: slickpic...@cox.net slickpic...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 11:14:15 AM
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

Years ago, shortly after I signed up, Nenah was among the first to respond to 
my 
post about my wife's (and my own) significant health problems, and she did so 
with detailed, compassionate, and constructive suggestions. I will always be 
grateful for her kindness.

Terry


 Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: 

=
Hey Sweetie, 
Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's always 
good, and well thought out. 
Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just try 
to
start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave Dr.Nenah
alone she is a smart lady.
Tel Tofflemire




From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous



If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.
 
I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use
of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
helpful.
 
For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades,
there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
degenerative
conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were 
published
in respected medical journals. 
http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
  You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
site and your searches may be worth it.
 
Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name
can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.
 
All the best,
Nenah 
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Thanks, Renee,

Godzilla is DC, so that's plain copper iontophoreses which is perfectly
legitimate. The only problem is the local volume it can treat and the
difficulty of getting pure copper and keeping it clean. I hope you are not
using sponges - they will simply inject whatever crud they contain into the
flesh. Better to rest the copper against the jaw and hold it there with a
moistened cotton swab like the ones dentists use to put in an extracted
tooth to get the bleeding. Although as soon as got home, I would pull it
out and soak another one in cs. It killed the pain and stopped the bleeding.

I think you will find the SilverCell to work a bit better than
iontophoreses since it floods the entire mouth with cs, so it gets the
cavities and the gums all in one go. Another week or so and I should have
the new silver.

Did you build the FREX or get it from someone? I looked at the site earlier:

http://www.frex.com.au/pfa2.html

What kinds of things does it do?

It sounds very much like the FScan2, which I plan on building for the ABPA
2.

Thanks for the links. I'll sign up right away.

Mike Monett

Renee wrote:

Oh, the only 'electric' lists I'm on is Dr. Loyds, Frex and
microelectricgermkiller.  I'm sure there are other good ones but since I
don't have any machines (other than the Godzilla I put together and the FREX
which I just recently got) and don't understand electronics enough to build
one, these are the only ones I'm on.  Godzilla is a simple 6 volt battery
that works wonders for wounds, teeth, etc.  FREX is a frequency device that
does amazing things.  You can download the whole frex software for free and
run everything--the only thing is it is set to run for x amount of time and
then you have to start it back up again, whereas if you buy the program you
can set it to continous loop or however long you want it and it will run.

It contains about all the different frequencies that are well known.

Maybe someone else will tell us some good lists to join.  If you are
interested in FREX I can send the link.  Going to be leaving the house for a
few hours in just a moment so don't have time to--well, wait--here it is:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/
here's dr loyd's list
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/drloyd/

neither is specific for the frex or Dr. Loyd's devices, but Dr. Loyd works
long distance with people and has remedies and tincture to buy.  Frex's list
owner, Ken, is a chiropractor in Australia and very well informed about
alternative health protocols.  Lots of good information there.

Samala,
Renee

-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com]

Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo
groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other
lists to look for?



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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-09 Thread Smitty

Per Google =
http://www.pemft.com/



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:44 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 OK -- now you've got me curious.  What is a pemf device?  And do you have
 a link to the one that you have?
 MA

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 *From:* mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Wed, May 9, 2012 9:48:12 AM

 *Subject:* Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

  Nenah, Is the best!!!
 I use another pemf device so far it has cured me of a torn rotator cuff,
 healed a root canal, 3 broken bones in my hand.
   I am currently working with a 98 yr old woman who had MD, i have used
 the device 5 times, she was totally blind in rt eye now she can see but
 with a film, her left eye is so much better, she is now writing letters and
 her penmanship is awesome.  it has cured her incontinence, pain in
 shoulders, and back and her knees.  She is walking straight again without
 her walker.  She no longer wears her hearing aids, this I was not targeting
 but it happened anyway.
 There are many many more cures from myself and her but this is to give you
 a few.
 She is going to eye dr in 2 weeks, we will see then.
 Mary

  --
 *From:* slickpic...@cox.net slickpic...@cox.net
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Cc:* Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
 *Sent:* Tue, May 8, 2012 11:14:15 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

 Years ago, shortly after I signed up, Nenah was among the first to respond
 to my post about my wife's (and my own) significant health problems, and
 she did so with detailed, compassionate, and constructive suggestions. I
 will always be grateful for her kindness.

 Terry


  Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote:

 =
 Hey Sweetie,
 Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's
 always good, and well thought out.
 Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and
 just try to
 start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave
 Dr.Nenah
 alone she is a smart lady.
 Tel Tofflemire



 
 From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
 Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous



 If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
 for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.

 I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
 discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into
 the use
 of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
 helpful.

 For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
 works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several
 decades,
 there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
 pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious
 and degenerative
 conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that
 were published
 in respected medical journals.
 http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
   You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
 site and your searches may be worth it.

 Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
 these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the
 name
 can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.

 All the best,
 Nenah

 Nenah Sylver, PhD
 author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
 Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
 VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
 www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com


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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

2012-05-09 Thread Lisa

Yes, please send a link for the frex device...

-Original Message-
From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous:
Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Oh, the only 'electric' lists I'm on is Dr. Loyds, Frex and
microelectricgermkiller.  I'm sure there are other good ones but since I
don't have any machines (other than the Godzilla I put together and the FREX
which I just recently got) and don't understand electronics enough to build
one, these are the only ones I'm on.  Godzilla is a simple 6 volt battery
that works wonders for wounds, teeth, etc.  FREX is a frequency device that
does amazing things.  You can download the whole frex software for free and
run everything--the only thing is it is set to run for x amount of time and
then you have to start it back up again, whereas if you buy the program you
can set it to continous loop or however long you want it and it will run.
It contains about all the different frequencies that are well known.

Maybe someone else will tell us some good lists to join.  If you are
interested in FREX I can send the link.  Going to be leaving the house for a
few hours in just a moment so don't have time to--well, wait--here it is:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/  
here's dr loyd's list
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/drloyd/

neither is specific for the frex or Dr. Loyd's devices, but Dr. Loyd works
long distance with people and has remedies and tincture to buy.  Frex's list
owner, Ken, is a chiropractor in Australia and very well informed about
alternative health protocols.  Lots of good information there.

Samala,
Renee

-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 

Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo
groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other
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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

It's in the message.  Read where I started to say I'd do it when I got back,
but then I found it and put it in.

Samala,
Renee

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From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous:
Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Yes, please send a link for the frex device...

-Original Message-
From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous:
Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Oh, the only 'electric' lists I'm on is Dr. Loyds, Frex and
microelectricgermkiller.  I'm sure there are other good ones but since I
don't have any machines (other than the Godzilla I put together and the FREX
which I just recently got) and don't understand electronics enough to build
one, these are the only ones I'm on.  Godzilla is a simple 6 volt battery
that works wonders for wounds, teeth, etc.  FREX is a frequency device that
does amazing things.  You can download the whole frex software for free and
run everything--the only thing is it is set to run for x amount of time and
then you have to start it back up again, whereas if you buy the program you
can set it to continous loop or however long you want it and it will run.
It contains about all the different frequencies that are well known.

Maybe someone else will tell us some good lists to join.  If you are
interested in FREX I can send the link.  Going to be leaving the house for a
few hours in just a moment so don't have time to--well, wait--here it is:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/  
here's dr loyd's list
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/drloyd/

neither is specific for the frex or Dr. Loyd's devices, but Dr. Loyd works
long distance with people and has remedies and tincture to buy.  Frex's list
owner, Ken, is a chiropractor in Australia and very well informed about
alternative health protocols.  Lots of good information there.

Samala,
Renee

-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 

Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo
groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other
lists to look for?

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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

I DO hope it works for you.  What a blessing huh?  Do let us know.  If it's
that good it may be worth saving up for.  It's hard to distinguish which
device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people
on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they
have.  So it's hard to say which one to spend money on.

Samala,
Renee

Renee,

It's on the way. Should get it next week. I expect it will take some time
to learn how to use it. My girlfriend tried to show me how to use the SE-5,
but I was always too hyper from business. Things have calmed down since I
retired, but now I have to fight to concentrate due to the mold toxins.
Hopefully the instrument is as easy to use as the instuctions indicate.

If it works, I will certainly let you know!

You sure have collected a lot of different healing methods! I wonder how
many others there are you haven't mentioned yet:)

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 

You sure have collected a lot of different healing methods! I wonder how
many others there are you haven't mentioned yet:)




Oh, lots and lots.  :)  Been at this alternative stuff for over 25 years
now, ever since I had cancer.  Just love to 'collect' information on
healing.  Never sick here so don't have a lot to experiment with, but I
usually try things out when I can, just to see.

I think some of the BEST methods are the easiest and are free to do.  My
favorite is The Emotion Code, then EFT, then DMT, then MIR.  The Emotion
Code is remarkable and uses muscle testing to release trapped emotions.  EFT
is a more complicated tapping procedure but once you learn it it's
invaluable.  DMT is a simplified tapping procedure that works wonders for
physical problems.  MIR is a new method I've just learned that I think will
be very powerful, and is super simple to do.

These emotional things SEEM to be 1) too simple to work 2) most people don't
understand the emotional part of illness

Because they are simple and free people often overlook them and don't
understand their power.  And then most people do not understand the
underlying reason for illness, which is almost always buried in emotions.
Even if you cure the physical problem if you don't deal with the emotions
the problem simply comes back, usually in the same form but a different
area, but sometimes even in the same area.  That's why it's so common for a
person to get cancer again--the doctor's famous '5 year' thing (if you make
it 5 years cancer free you could possibly stay cancer free) because most
people get it back in under 5 years.  Just because you have it cut out,
burnt out, etc, but you have NOT addressed the emotional aspects, the
thought processes and looked for some spiritual answers, it just comes back.
Address those 3 and you are almost sure never to be bothered by cancer
again.

It is said--and I believe it, that everything starts on the spiritual level
and if corrected there we'd never get sick.  But we are almost totally
unaware of the spirit level.

From there it goes to the mental level.  Again, if we were aware and fixed
the mental issue we would never get sick.

Then it goes emotional level.  If we stopped it there we'd never get sick.
But we simply don't understand our emotions, let alone deal with them.  So
because we don't, then the body takes on physical symptoms of illness.  We
can't ignore that like we can emotions, thoughts and spirit.  

So though we may fix the physical symptoms, if we haven't dealt with the
emotions especially, but also the thoughts and spirit, then illness simply
comes back.  And usually dealing with the emotions kind of also takes care
of the thoughts that go along since thoughts and emotions are very closely
linked.  The spirit--well, any truly healthy person has a healthy spiritual
side.  You cannot live in darkness and be healthy.  But it does help to
address the spiritual side when ill, because that allows the physical 'cure'
to happen faster.

We are such wondrous beings!

Oh shoot--how can I forget the SEM water cards and the SSS cards?  They are
also free and very powerful.  :)  and they work through the frequency
category!

Samala,
Renee





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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Forgot to say--no I didn't build the frex.  It's software you download.
Then you can run it through just the computer (which is all I have right
now) or you can hook up plasma balls.  Ken is working on a write up to teach
people how to do this themselves.  He use to sell plasma balls with the
wiring already installed, but people would hook them to the computer wrong
and would burn out the plasma.  He's such a great and honest guy that he'd
replace the balls for them so it became just too expensive so he quit.  But
he's going to tell us how to build our own.  And there is another type of
thing you can hook up to FreX but I can't think of it right now.

It does everything any other frequency device does--runs frequencies!  It
has all the different frequencies built into it--the ones by different
people.  And it has the problems/diseases.  So you pick the problem then
show the frequencies and then you tell the software to send out the
frequencies.  Easy!  But the least working method is just running the freqs
through the computer speakers--yet some people get good results.

There's a guy that Ken knows that is building something to add to FreX (like
you would the plasma balls) that's suppose to be excellent.  I'm waiting for
that.  Don't know what it will cost though.

Samala,
Renee


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From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 

Did you build the FREX or get it from someone? I looked at the site earlier:

http://www.frex.com.au/pfa2.html

What kinds of things does it do?



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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote:

I wonder how much of an influence ones belief system has on the
eventual success or failure of these treatments,no matter what they
are called.
Just an observation.
T

Very good observation. I think trust and lack of education in basic
principles has a lot to do with it. If you want to believe something, and
don't know how it works, it makes a lot easier to trust. Madoff used that
principle and it cost a lot of people a lot of money.

Health is a similar issue. If you are sick, you want to get well. If
someone offers something that might cure the problem, you tend to want to
believe them. Bob Beck used that to promote the Zapper. He claimed it would
kill all pathogens and parasites, including HIV and other nasties. But he
forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and therefore
cannot reach pathogens to kill them. As a physicist, he certainly knew this
fact, but he failed to disclose it the entire time he was pitching his
Zappers.

He also used stainless steel electrodes. This can release hexavalent
chromium in electrolysis. I posted information on this earlier.

But people still believe Zapping works. There are several Yahoo groups
still trying to find evidence that it does anything at all.

Then, of course, there are the financial aspects. If someone has an
interest in selling you something, the sale pitch can promise anything. If
you want to believe it, you will tend to accept anything.

The problem is if someone has a serious illness and gets hooked on some of
these ideas, they could die. Hulda Clark promised she could cure cancer.
She died from it, and a lot of other people did also.

Cancer, MRSA, HIV, SARS, and other threats are real. Some can be treated
successfuly, others cannot. So if you are one of the unlucky ones, you will
tend to grasp at straws and believe anything that promises a cure.

But I'd do a lot of research and look for the hidden flaws that they are
trying to keep from you.

Very good observation. Thanks for posting.

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread olushola camara

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:



   But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and
 therefore
 cannot reach pathogens to kill them.


Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. Current
is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is?

Olushola

Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread Tel Tofflemire

Hey Sweetie, 
Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's always 
good, and well thought out. 
Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just try 
to
start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave Dr.Nenah
alone she is a smart lady.
Tel Tofflemire




 From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
 

 
If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.
 
I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use
of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
helpful.
 
For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades,
there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
degenerative
conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were 
published
in respected medical journals. 
http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
  You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
site and your searches may be worth it.
 
Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name
can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.
 
All the best,
Nenah 
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com

Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

olushola camara camaramah...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

   But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and
 therefore
 cannot reach pathogens to kill them.

Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. Current
is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is?

Olushola

In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively
charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode.

In electrolytes, current flow is in theform of ions. Positively charged
ions are usually metals, such as silver, calcium, sodium, potassium, zinc,
copper, and so on. They flow from the positive terminal to the negative,
and are called cations.

They are balanced by an equal flow of negatively-charged ions that flow
towards the anode. The are called anions. Examples are hydroxide, sulfur,
etc.

All life processes depend on the control of ions to perform various tasks
and to build structures like bone, trees, etc.

If electrons could flow in water, all life processes would immediately
cease, since electron flow would bypass these processes.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread Diana Clock

Thank you Tel
Makes those of us that are using some of these techniques feel better on our 
choices.
Glad you wrote this!

Sent from my iPad

On May 8, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Sweetie, 
 Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's 
 always good, and well thought out. 
 Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just 
 try to
 start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave 
 Dr.Nenah
 alone she is a smart lady.
 Tel Tofflemire
 
 From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
 Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
 
 If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled for. You can 
 simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.
  
 I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a discussion on 
 this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use of LEDs, 
 which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove helpful.
  
 For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed works, you 
 might be interested to know that over the course of several decades, there 
 have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields / pulsed 
 magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
 degenerative conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the 
 articles that were published in respected medical journals.
 http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php   You’ll have to do some digging, but 
 it’s a fascinating site and your searches may be worth it.
  
 Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in these articles (to the best of 
 my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name can elicit at times. As we 
 have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.
  
 All the best,
 Nenah
  
 Nenah Sylver, PhD
 author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
 Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)
 VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
 www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com

Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread Mark

Hi Mike,
Forgive my limited knowledge, but if current uses ions to flow, then having 
silver, zinc, copper in the body would help a zapper or any other such device 
reach the organs/glands to help kill bacteria and virus'?

Regards,

Mark


On 08 May 2012, at 17:51, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

olushola camara camaramah...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:
 
  But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and
 therefore
 cannot reach pathogens to kill them.
 
 Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. Current
 is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is?
 
 Olushola

In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively
charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode.

In electrolytes, current flow is in theform of ions. Positively charged
ions are usually metals, such as silver, calcium, sodium, potassium, zinc,
copper, and so on. They flow from the positive terminal to the negative,
and are called cations.

They are balanced by an equal flow of negatively-charged ions that flow
towards the anode. The are called anions. Examples are hydroxide, sulfur,
etc.

All life processes depend on the control of ions to perform various tasks
and to build structures like bone, trees, etc.

If electrons could flow in water, all life processes would immediately
cease, since electron flow would bypass these processes.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

Mark markyd...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mike,
Forgive my limited knowledge, but if current uses ions to flow, then having 
silver, zinc, copper in the body would help a zapper or any other such 
device reach the organs/glands to help kill bacteria and virus'?

Regards,

Mark

Yes, this is called iontophoresis. For example, copper is an excellent
antibiotic. Hwever, it corrodes easily and can pick up all kinds of
unwanted contamination. This would be injected into the flesh along with
the copper ions.

The velocity of the copper ions is very low since the applied
electromagnetic field is so small. The ions would have to migrate through
the small space between the cells and won't get very far. So the volume of
flesh involved is very low, and mainly just the area in the immediate
vicinity of the positive electrode.

The negative electrode releases hydrogen gas and hydroxide ions, the same
as in regular silver electrolysis and the electrolysis of water.

The current for iontophoresis is very low, perhaps in the hundreds of
microamperes. The amount of copper released into the skin is very small.
You can do a Faraday calculation to see how much is delivered. 

For example, a current of 250uA for 45 minutes would deliver about 22ppm to
a volume of 1 cubic centimeter.

This might be of some use for infections that are close to the surface,
such as abcesses and tooth problems, etc. However, using a high-ionic cs
sublingually will work much better for dental problems and also work with
the immune system to kill pathogens throughout the body.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

2012-05-08 Thread Guyot Léna


Hi T,
I've been a certified hypnotherapist, so I know suggestion can play a  
very important role in immune-boosting, pain mitigation, etc.. I've  
even seen the visualization of turning off a spigot stop a  
hemophiliac's bleed.


That said, the 10-day herx-from-hell I experienced after a few initial  
Rife treatmernts went WAY beyond anything I'd ever experienced (even  
20 hours of back-ache labor) and it was nothing my mind could have  
possibly cooked up, or alleviated. Indeed, it was only the steadying  
knowledge that I'd effectively killed pathogens and was having a  
Jarisch-Herxheimer response that kept me from racing to the E.R. where  
I knew I would encounter only ignorance of Lyme and derision of Rifing  
(if I'd been fool enough to mention it)
Backing off on the frx at the herx onset and learning detox helped and  
I learned to respect what frequencies can do, both to our critters,  
and to us, once dead pathogens become toxins.


Suggestion and belief systems lessened pain to some degree in the  
decades of undxed Lyme and psoriasis that came out of its toxic load,  
but relief of chronic stuff is hard to maintain for any length of  
time. The arduously-sought, proper (for me) Lyme protocols restored me  
to much better health, and the amazing liver-supporting Milk Thistle  
finally made the psoriasis recede.(BTW, I have no idea what silymarin  
actually does to effect this)


I've seen my Rife machine (FScan 2) wipe out shingles, trigeminal  
nerve pain, and many other, easier, pathogen-based afflictions in  
friends. They humored me and have used my funny gizmo, only to be  
surprised at the results.


One doesn't have to know the science of rain and H20 to understand  
that an umbrella will keep you dry. Most of us are too busy trying not  
to be sick to spend a lot of time researching the science we're  
employing. We live by 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating.'  
Sometimes we make mistakes, but so do scientists. (May I present Big  
Pharma)


When I'm completely well, if I find the time, I might engage in  
debates about how many angels fit on the head of a pin or how many  
pinheads fit on the head of an angel, but I suspect I'll just be doing  
more travelling (just got back Fri. from a rigorous 6 month RV trip)  
painting, making music, entertaining, writing, and LIVING, thanks to  
the various protocols that truly helped me fight this crummy disease.


Be well,
Léna
On May 8, 2012, at 8:59 AM, 123 456 wrote:

I wonder how much of an influence ones belief system has on the
eventual success or failure of these treatments,no matter what they
are called.
Just an observation.
T

On 5/8/12, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

 Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote:


If someone doesn't agree with others, being nasty is uncalled for.



You can simply say, I don't agree, and explain why.


 I thought I was being kind. Did you detect any unpleasantness  in my
 phrasing?


I brought  up  my  electromedicine  article  because  there  was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved
into the use of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I  thought my
writing might prove helpful.



For those  of  you who use Rife Therapy and  know  that  it indeed
works, you  might  be interested to know that over  the  course of
several decades, there have been a few thousand articles published
on the  use  of  EM  fields  /  pulsed  magnetic  fields  / pulsed
electrical fields  etc.   to   heal   infectious  and degenerative
conditions and  restore  cell  function. Here  is  a  link  to the
articles that were published in respected medical journals.


 Do you intend on explaining how you can bypass the basic fundamental
 physics questions  I  raised,  or do you  intend  on  ignoring these
 issues?


http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php  You'll   have   to   do some
digging, but  it's  a fascinating site and  your  searches  may be
worth it.


 A promoter  works the same way in any field. When you have  money at
 stake, it is best to ignore the facts.


Interestingly, the  name Rife is not used in these  articles (to
the best  of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the  name can
elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it's similar therapy.


 Then it has the same issues that need to be addresed.

 Please answer them. Each one if you please.


All the best,



Nenah



Nenah Sylver, PhD



author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)


 Thanks,

 Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread slickpicker

Years ago, shortly after I signed up, Nenah was among the first to respond to 
my post about my wife's (and my own) significant health problems, and she did 
so with detailed, compassionate, and constructive suggestions. I will always be 
grateful for her kindness.

Terry


 Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: 

=
Hey Sweetie, 
Your always welcome here, I have read your stuff for many years and it's always 
good, and well thought out. 
Personally I think some on the list don't have anything else to do and just try 
to
start a new thing.  sorta. ??  Oh well I am busy too, so you guys leave Dr.Nenah
alone she is a smart lady.
Tel Tofflemire




 From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
 

 
If someone doesn’t agree with others, being nasty is uncalled
for. You can simply say, “I don’t agree,” and explain why.
 
I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a
discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use
of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove
helpful.
 
For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed
works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades,
there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields /
pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and 
degenerative
conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were 
published
in respected medical journals. 
http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php
  You’ll have to do some digging, but it’s a fascinating
site and your searches may be worth it.
 
Interestingly, the name “Rife” is not used in
these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name
can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it’s similar therapy.
 
All the best,
Nenah 
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy(2004)
VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com


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RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread Scott Adams

 In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively 
 charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode.

Here's a good write up to help explain it further. Why it's different in solid 
meetals versus say a luquid solution...

http://amasci.com/amateur/elecdir.html

Scott Adams

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From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:52 AM
To: SilverList
Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

olushola camara camaramah...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

   But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, 
 and therefore cannot reach pathogens to kill them.

Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. 
Current is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is?

Olushola

In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively 
charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode.

In electrolytes, current flow is in theform of ions. Positively charged ions 
are usually metals, such as silver, calcium, sodium, potassium, zinc, copper, 
and so on. They flow from the positive terminal to the negative, and are called 
cations.

They are balanced by an equal flow of negatively-charged ions that flow towards 
the anode. The are called anions. Examples are hydroxide, sulfur, etc.

All life processes depend on the control of ions to perform various tasks and 
to build structures like bone, trees, etc.

If electrons could flow in water, all life processes would immediately cease, 
since electron flow would bypass these processes.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread olushola camara

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote:

 In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively
 charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode.

 In electrolytes, current flow is in theform of ions. Positively charged
 ions are usually metals, such as silver, calcium, sodium, potassium, zinc,
 copper, and so on. They flow from the positive terminal to the negative,
 and are called cations.

 They are balanced by an equal flow of negatively-charged ions that flow
 towards the anode. The are called anions. Examples are hydroxide, sulfur,
 etc.

 All life processes depend on the control of ions to perform various tasks
 and to build structures like bone, trees, etc.



Strictly semantics, the fact is that ions are charged particles. At the
basis of this charge is electrons.


 If electrons could flow in water, all life processes would immediately
 cease, since electron flow would bypass these processes.


This is nonsense, in the extreme. There is always electron flow in water
because different material is always being introduced in the water, either
naturally or artificially. These materials will tend to donate or accept
electrons to create a neutrally charged environment (as much as possible);
so you have electron flow, charge in motion.

Olushola

RE: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

2012-05-08 Thread Neville Munn


LOLLOL.  Full old ladies...  Dunno if this was intentional, but it 
cracked me up all the same!
N.

 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:49:00 +0700
 Subject: Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
 From: evanj.ba...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
  Mike Monet wrote:
 
  Yes, this is called iontophoresis.
 
 I thought this is polite list? Is such language appropriate in a list
 of full old ladies and polite people?
 
 
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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous

Evan Jones evanj.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mike Monet wrote:

 Yes, this is called iontophoresis.

I thought this is polite list? Is such language appropriate in a list
of full old ladies and polite people?

Google is great for questions like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iontophoresis

http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm

http://www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/2514/michniak_kohn.pdf

Thanks,

Mike Monett

(2 t's please)


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Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

Guyot Lena drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

Hi T, I've been a certified hypnotherapist, so I know suggestion
can play a very important role in immune-boosting, pain
mitigation, etc.. I've even seen the visualization of turning off
a spigot stop a hemophiliac's bleed.

That said, the 10-day herx-from-hell I experienced after a few
initial Rife treatmernts went WAY beyond anything I'd ever
experienced (even 20 hours of back-ache labor) and it was nothing
my mind could have possibly cooked up, or alleviated. Indeed, it
was only the steadying knowledge that I'd effectively killed
pathogens and was having a Jarisch-Herxheimer response that kept
me from racing to the E.R. where I knew I would encounter only
ignorance of Lyme and derision of Rifing (if I'd been fool enough
to mention it) Backing off on the frx at the herx onset and
learning detox helped and I learned to respect what frequencies
can do, both to our critters, and to us, once dead pathogens
become toxins.

[...]

I've seen my Rife machine (FScan 2) wipe out shingles, trigeminal
nerve pain, and many other, easier, pathogen-based afflictions in
friends. They humored me and have used my funny gizmo, only to be
surprised at the results.

[..]

Be well,
Lena

Hi Lena,

I am glad you are getting well. I suspect you are correct that
suggestion can play a significant role in healing. I think you see
references to this in many other areas of healing.

I was interested in your FScan 2, and found that anyone with a bit
of knowledge can duplicate it for less than $50.00, or about 1/100
of the normal list price. Although I have seen sales for $3,995, so
that's only 80 times less.

There are many ways to do it. I'd use a simple AD9833 DDS chip. Here
are the specs:

0 MHz to 12.5 MHz Output Frequency Range
Sinusoidal/Triangular/Square Wave Output
0.1 Hz Resolution
10-Lead Mini Small Outline Package (MSOP)

Here's the Datasheet

http://datasheet.octopart.com/AD9833BRMZ-Analog-Devices-datasheet-36115.pdf;

It is available for $5.98 at Verical
http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=AD9833

A couple of high speed op amps would complete the electronics, and
titanium electrodes would work just as well as gold-plated and be a
lot cheaper. Say $1.30 for the pair.

A simple arduino controller would provide the interface:

http://www.arduino.cc/

The pc would select the desired modes and frequencies, so the
software would be extremely easy. The frequency scan would be much,
much faster than the FScan 2.

The complete set of F-Scan Frequencies are available at many sites.

Here are a few:

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/F-Scan_Frequency_Files.zip;

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL_FSCAN_2_Frequencies.htm;

http://electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CrossReference.htm;

I am very interested in your 10-day herx. True Herxheimer only lasts
for a few hours in Syphilis, which is a spirochete bacterium, and is
pretty nasty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction

I wonder what could be causing such a lengthy reaction. It would
imply you had such a huge bacteria load it should have killed you
long before. And if it was bacteria die-off, why didn't it happen
all at once?

I am inclined to build one some weekend and subject myself to a
treament and see if I can duplicate your herx. I'm sure I must have
a lot of bugs and things floating around. It would be interesting to
see what the scan brought up and what happened if they were killed.

One more question. If these devices worked as you say, why aren't
they used in every hospital and clinic everywhere? Alternative
health clinics are not prohibited from using just about anything
they want. It would seem these machines would be the ideal tool for
any infection.

I'll look into this some more. This is so easy to duplicate it
wouldn't cost much to try. And I'd like to get some answers to my
questions.

Thanks,

Mike Monett

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