CS>Anyone on the list make and sell colloidal gold?

[Deborah Gerard]

If not can someone advise where to buy that is a good source?
Thanks in advance,
Debbie

Re: CS>Anyone on the list make and sell colloidal gold?

[Marshall]

On 6/27/2020 9:45 AM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

If not can someone advise where to buy that is a good source?

Thanks in advance,

Debbie
Frank Key sells meso gold.  It has to be made by sputtering, unlike 
silver which takes simple electrolysis.


Marshall

Re: CS>Colloidal Gold

[James Osbourne Holmes]

Is colloidal gold being successfully used to treat RA?
Hi Mike, et allong time no see.

James Osbourne Holmes
a/k/a *Red Pill Media*
The American States Assembly
Deputy Coordinator New Mexico state
Coordinator Santa Fe county Jural Assembly
*http://t heamericanstatesassembly.net
<http://theamericanstatesassembly.net/>*
http://annavonreitz.com


On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM Jean Baugh 
wrote:

> lia
>
> On Jun 17, 2019, at 12:20 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:
>
> Rheumatoid Arthritis
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:33 PM Deborah Gerard 
> wrote:
>
>> RA=Arthritis...people use the abbreviation quit a lot for it.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2019, 03:24:47 AM EDT, Phil Morrison <
>> philmorrison...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To: Deb Gerard
>>
>> RA ... radioactivity?
>>
>> Ref please.
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Colloidal Gold

[Jean Baugh]

lia

> On Jun 17, 2019, at 12:20 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> 
> Rheumatoid Arthritis  
> 
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:33 PM Deborah Gerard  > wrote:
> RA=Arthritis...people use the abbreviation quit a lot for it.
> 
> On Monday, June 10, 2019, 03:24:47 AM EDT, Phil Morrison 
> mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> To: Deb Gerard
> 
> RA ... radioactivity?
> 
> Ref please. 
> 

Re: CS>Colloidal Gold

[Dan Nave]

Rheumatoid Arthritis

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:33 PM Deborah Gerard  wrote:

> RA=Arthritis...people use the abbreviation quit a lot for it.
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019, 03:24:47 AM EDT, Phil Morrison <
> philmorrison...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> To: Deb Gerard
>
> RA ... radioactivity?
>
> Ref please.
>
>

Re: CS>Colloidal Gold

[Deborah Gerard]

 RA=Arthritis...people use the abbreviation quit a lot for it.
On Monday, June 10, 2019, 03:24:47 AM EDT, Phil Morrison 
 wrote:  
 
 To: Deb Gerard
RA ... radioactivity?
Ref please. 

  

CS>Colloidal Gold

[Phil Morrison]

To: Deb Gerard

RA ... radioactivity?

Ref please.

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Deborah Gerard]

 Doesn't colloidal gold go after RA?
On Monday, June 10, 2019, 12:54:12 AM EDT, Phil Morrison 
 wrote:  
 
 Colloidal silver is a natural pathogen killer.  Colloidal gold is not.

Why are we flogging colloidal gold on a CS Forum?

The are many handy ways to use hydrogen peroxide, see below.

https://wakeup-world.com/2012/07/09/27-amazing-benefits-and-uses-for-hydrogen-peroxide/
  

CS>Colloidal gold

[Phil Morrison]

Colloidal silver is a natural pathogen killer.  Colloidal gold is not.

Why are we flogging colloidal gold on a CS Forum?


The are many handy ways to use hydrogen peroxide, see below.

https://wakeup-world.com/2012/07/09/27-amazing-benefits-and-uses-for-hydrogen-peroxide/

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[David Bearrow]

Hello Jean,
I am by no means an expert nor am I qualified to give medical advice. If you go 
to the link in my last email it addresses your colloidal gold questions.
If I had a dental injury that was infected and leaking puss I would make a 
strong  batch of colloidal silver(10 to 30 ppm) and mix it 10 to 1 with some 
DMSO. I would then soak a cotton ball with the solution and attempt to keep it 
on the infected spot as long as I was able. I would do this 3 times a day for 
at least 5 minutes for 2 weeks.The DMSO has the ability to drive the silver 
into the tissue. This is what I would do (have done in the past) for myself.

best regards,
David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net(Sent from my cellphone)
 On Sunday, June 9, 2019, Jean Baugh  wrote:

Hi David, Several questions please.
Which colloidal gold machine is best for a novice, but good?  How much is it?
I have a niece who had a root canal on one of her front teeth many years ago 
and now it is leaking pus and giving her migraine headaches.  Is there anything 
that would stop the infection?
Thank you,
Jean



On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:53 PM, David Bearrow  wrote:
It takes high voltage to make safe quality colloidal gold. Your cs generator is 
not powerful enough to do gold. You need a high voltage arc to produce it.
http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html

best regards,
David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net(Sent from my cellphone)
 On Sunday, June 9, 2019, Jean Baugh  wrote:

Hi,
I would be willing to buy a couple of1/10 oz gold coins and wrap them with the 
silver strip ends.  Just out of curiosity.
Jean


On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Airwick  wrote:
 

I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed, perhaps steel 
wires of the the appropriate gauge might be substituted for the silver ones, 
and alligator clips could be attached to them to grasp the coins.

I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold coins for an 
experiment.

Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due to their 
smaller surface area.
 
 On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:
  
 
 
This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden wires, to 
connect to the generator?
 
 
  How about platinum?  Why not? 
  Jean 
  ***
 

  

All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or .999 
fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so expensive I'd use 
smaller ones like 1/10 oz.
 
 On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
  
 
 Hi Folks,  
  There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to 
get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person  was and how I 
might get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product. 
  Thanks much in advance, 
  Debbie  
 

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Douglas Haack]

 Go the archives and search "Colloidal Gold". I've been a member since 1997...
Bob Berger "Ole bob" made some, he passed on some 10 years ago

In SILvation,
Douglas H -- in Oz

   
 
On Monday, 10 June 2019, 11:43:37 am AEST, Jim  wrote:  
 
 
One such person accepted payment quickly, but was nearly impossible to get him 
to return either money or product. 

  

From: Deborah Gerard  
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:55 PM
To: Silverlist Post 
Subject: CS>Colloidal gold

  

Hi Folks, 

  

There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to get 
it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and how I might 
get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product.

  

Thanks much in advance,

  

Debbie


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RE: CS>Colloidal gold

[Jim]

One such person accepted payment quickly, but was nearly impossible to get him 
to return either money or product.



From: Deborah Gerard 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:55 PM
To: Silverlist Post 
Subject: CS>Colloidal gold



Hi Folks,



There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to get 
it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and how I might 
get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product.



Thanks much in advance,



Debbie



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Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Jean Baugh]

Hi David,
 
Several questions please.

Which colloidal gold machine is best for a novice, but good?  How much is it?

I have a niece who had a root canal on one of her front teeth many years ago 
and now it is leaking pus and giving her migraine headaches.  Is there anything 
that would stop the infection?

Thank you,

Jean




> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:53 PM, David Bearrow  wrote:
> 
> It takes high voltage to make safe quality colloidal gold. Your cs generator 
> is not powerful enough to do gold. You need a high voltage arc to produce it.
> 
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html 
> <http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html>
> 
> best regards,
> 
> David Bearrow 
> chip...@verizon.net
> (Sent from my cellphone)
> 
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, Jean Baugh  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would be willing to buy a couple of1/10 oz gold coins and wrap them with 
> the silver strip ends.  Just out of curiosity.
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Airwick > <mailto:nazfl...@northlink.com>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed, perhaps 
> steel wires of the the appropriate gauge might be substituted for the silver 
> ones, and alligator clips could be attached to them to grasp the coins.
> 
> I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold coins for an 
> experiment.
> 
> Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due to their 
> smaller surface area.
> On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:
> 
>> This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden wires, 
>> to connect to the generator?
> 
> How about platinum?  Why not?
> 
> Jean
> 
> ***
>> 
> 
> All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or .999 
> fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so expensive I'd 
> use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.
> On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks, 
> 
> There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to 
> get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and how I 
> might get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product.
> 
> Thanks much in advance,
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Airwick]

Hi David,

Interesting.

Thanks... Eric

On 6/9/2019 11:53 AM, David Bearrow wrote:
It takes high voltage to make safe quality colloidal gold. Your cs 
generator is not powerful enough to do gold. You need a high voltage 
arc to produce it.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html

best regards,

David Bearrow
chip...@verizon.net
(Sent from my cellphone)

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, Jean Baugh  wrote:

Hi,

I would be willing to buy a couple of1/10 oz gold coins and wrap
them with the silver strip ends.  Just out of curiosity.

Jean



On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Airwick mailto:nazfl...@northlink.com>> wrote:


I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed,
perhaps steel wires of the the appropriate gauge might be
substituted for the silver ones, and alligator clips could be
attached to them to grasp the coins.

I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold
coins for an experiment.

Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due
to their smaller surface area.

On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:

This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell
golden wires, to connect to the generator?


How about platinum?  Why not?

Jean

***



All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of
. or .999 fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since
gold is so expensive I'd use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.

On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
Hi Folks,

There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and
I use to get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that
person was and how I might get in contact with him? In need of
getting some of the product.

Thanks much in advance,

Debbie

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[David Bearrow]

It takes high voltage to make safe quality colloidal gold. Your cs generator is 
not powerful enough to do gold. You need a high voltage arc to produce it.
http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidal-gold.html

best regards,
David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net(Sent from my cellphone)
 On Sunday, June 9, 2019, Jean Baugh  wrote:

Hi,
I would be willing to buy a couple of1/10 oz gold coins and wrap them with the 
silver strip ends.  Just out of curiosity.
Jean


On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Airwick  wrote:
 

I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed, perhaps steel 
wires of the the appropriate gauge might be substituted for the silver ones, 
and alligator clips could be attached to them to grasp the coins.

I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold coins for an 
experiment.

Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due to their 
smaller surface area.
 
 On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:
  
 
 
This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden wires, to 
connect to the generator?
 
 
  How about platinum?  Why not? 
  Jean 
  ***
 

  

All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or .999 
fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so expensive I'd use 
smaller ones like 1/10 oz.
 
 On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
  
 
 Hi Folks,  
  There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to 
get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person  was and how I 
might get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product. 
  Thanks much in advance, 
  Debbie  
 

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Jean Baugh]

Hi,

I would be willing to buy a couple of1/10 oz gold coins and wrap them with the 
silver strip ends.  Just out of curiosity.

Jean


> On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Airwick  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed, perhaps 
> steel wires of the the appropriate gauge might be substituted for the silver 
> ones, and alligator clips could be attached to them to grasp the coins.
> 
> I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold coins for an 
> experiment.
> 
> Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due to their 
> smaller surface area.
> On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:
>>> This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden wires, 
>>> to connect to the generator?
>> 
>> How about platinum?  Why not?
>> 
>> Jean
>> 
>> ***
>>> 
>>> All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or .999 
>>> fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so expensive I'd 
>>> use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.
>>> On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks, 
>>>> 
>>>> There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to 
>>>> get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and 
>>>> how I might get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the 
>>>> product.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks much in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Debbie
>> 

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Airwick]

I'm thinking that depending on how the generator is constructed, perhaps 
steel wires of the the appropriate gauge might be substituted for the 
silver ones, and alligator clips could be attached to them to grasp the 
coins.


I'd try it myself, but I don't want to waste a couple of gold coins for 
an experiment.


Small ones would work but the process would likely take longer due to 
their smaller surface area.


On 6/8/2019 5:27 PM, Jean Baugh wrote:
This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden 
wires, to connect to the generator?


How about platinum?  Why not?

Jean

***


All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . 
or .999 fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so 
expensive I'd use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.


On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Hi Folks,

There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I 
use to get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that 
person was and how I might get in contact with him? In need of 
getting some of the product.


Thanks much in advance,

Debbie

CS>Colloidal gold

[Jean Baugh]

> This is an interesting idea.  Then surely someone could sell golden wires, to 
> connect to the generator?

How about platinum?  Why not?

Jean

***
> 
> All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or .999 
> fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so expensive I'd 
> use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.
> On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
>> Hi Folks, 
>> 
>> There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to 
>> get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and how 
>> I might get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product.
>> 
>> Thanks much in advance,
>> 
>> Debbie

Re: CS>Colloidal gold

[Airwick]

All one needs is a colloidal silver generator and a couple of . or 
.999 fine gold coins and you can make your own.  Since gold is so 
expensive I'd use smaller ones like 1/10 oz.


On 6/8/2019 3:55 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Hi Folks,

There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I 
use to get it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person 
was and how I might get in contact with him? In need of getting some 
of the product.


Thanks much in advance,

Debbie

CS>Colloidal gold

[Deborah Gerard]

Hi Folks, 
There use to be a person who made colloidal gold on this list and I use to get 
it from him years ago. Does anyone remember who that person was and how I might 
get in contact with him? In need of getting some of the product.
Thanks much in advance,
Debbie

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[MaryAnn Helland]

Dear ASL -- you do not have to be intimidated by this -- not at all.  There are 
several nice units that only require snapping alligator clips onto silver bars, 
and plugging an electrical plug into an outlet.  No different than plugging in 
a 
toaster!  Ode's *Silver Puppy* is one generator like this.  Another one is the 
*Colloid Master*, which I have.  You don't have to set up anything at all. 
 Others on the list can tell you how to access the Silver Puppy.  To access the 
Colloid Master, go to www.wishgranted.com.  Good luck -- and happy 
silver-making!
MA




From: ASL aslra...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 24, 2013 4:57:44 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

Hi All,
After many months reading about how people make their own colloidal silver, I 
am 
still quite intimidated by the thought of trying to set up machines and what 
like  - I am not mechanically/chemically-inclined.  Yet I wish to save my money 
too. Just cured an ear infection last week using few drops of store-bought SC 
and organic olive oil, it was gone after 6 hours and has not returned. 
Impressed. 
Anyway, as a Deaf person, does anyone know of a YouTube video that has step by 
step guide in how to use the machines to make SC with English subtitles?

CSRE: colloidal gold

[Steve]

James,

 

Please share on the list how you make colloidal gold.

Thanks,

Steve

  _  

From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com]
On Behalf Of James McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSelling CS products

 

I put a couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that
the plants do well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for
anywhere from $15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own
and the cost of DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the
only costs now. Of course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use a
CLD diode and silver wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic
stirrer/heater, beakers, fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a
lot more than you need just to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold),
and experiment with different stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost
of charging (I only charge for the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have
to if I end up making gallons of the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00
for refills to keep up in DW and put some money away for new silver wires.

 

 

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[Heather W]

I can't imagine that a couple drops would be able to do much to a large
amount of soil. I'm thinking it might be just enough for the plant to
absorb and use to fight off disease and fungus. Maybe I can think of it as
treating the plant not the soil?
On Feb 24, 2013 5:27 PM, Steve youngs...@digis.net wrote:

  James,

 ** **

 Please share on the list how you make colloidal gold.

 Thanks,

 Steve
  --

 *From:* silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:
 silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] *On Behalf Of *James McDonald
 *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:57 PM
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSSelling CS products

 ** **

 I put a couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that
 the plants do well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for
 anywhere from $15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own
 and the cost of DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the
 only costs now. Of course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use
 a CLD diode and silver wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic
 stirrer/heater, beakers, fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a
 lot more than you need just to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold),
 and experiment with different stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost
 of charging (I only charge for the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have
 to if I end up making gallons of the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00
 for refills to keep up in DW and put some money away for new silver wires.
 

 ** **

 ** **

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[yousouf eydatoula]

Yes, I, too, am very interested to know how you proceed for colloidal gold 
preparation.



 From: Steve youngs...@digis.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:27 PM
Subject: CSRE: colloidal gold
 

 
James,
 
Please share on the list how you make
colloidal gold.
Thanks,
Steve


 
From:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On 
Behalf Of James McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSelling CS
products
 
I put a
couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that the plants do
well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for anywhere from
$15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own and the cost of
DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the only costs now. Of
course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use a CLD diode and silver
wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic stirrer/heater, beakers,
fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a lot more than you need just
to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold), and experiment with different
stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost of charging (I only charge for
the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have to if I end up making gallons of
the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00 for refills to keep up in DW and put
some money away for new silver wires.

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[ASL]

Hi All,
After many months reading about how people make their own colloidal silver,
I am still quite intimidated by the thought of trying to set up machines
and what like  - I am not mechanically/chemically-inclined.  Yet I wish to
save my money too. Just cured an ear infection last week using few drops of
store-bought SC and organic olive oil, it was gone after 6 hours and has
not returned. Impressed.
Anyway, as a Deaf person, does anyone know of a YouTube video that has step
by step guide in how to use the machines to make SC with English subtitles?

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[James McDonald]

Pretty simple really, I am saving up to buy some 18 guage 24k 99.99% gold wire 
to make my own from scratch. Otherwise I make the CG the easy way with gold 
chloride(from SaltLakeMetals), 1 molar sodium carbonate, maltodextrin (made 
mistake in ordering and ordered a 8lb jar! lifetime+ supply!), DW(Distilled 
Watet), beaker, glass syringe


Add 1/2 level teaspoon maltodextrin to 500ml cold distilled water.
Add 2 ml gold chloride
Add 20 drops 1M sodium carbonate.
Heat in microwave to boiling.
Done



 From: Steve youngs...@digis.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:27 PM
Subject: CSRE: colloidal gold
 

 
James,
 
Please share on the list how you make
colloidal gold.
Thanks,
Steve


 
From:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On 
Behalf Of James McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSelling CS
products
 
I put a
couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that the plants do
well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for anywhere from
$15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own and the cost of
DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the only costs now. Of
course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use a CLD diode and silver
wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic stirrer/heater, beakers,
fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a lot more than you need just
to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold), and experiment with different
stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost of charging (I only charge for
the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have to if I end up making gallons of
the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00 for refills to keep up in DW and put
some money away for new silver wires.

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[James McDonald]

Use the excuse for plants to get around FDA,EPA etc.





 From: Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold
 

I can't imagine that a couple drops would be able to do much to a large amount 
of soil. I'm thinking it might be just enough for the plant to absorb and use 
to fight off disease and fungus. Maybe I can think of it as treating the plant 
not the soil?
On Feb 24, 2013 5:27 PM, Steve youngs...@digis.net wrote:

James,
 
Please share on the list how you make
colloidal gold.
Thanks,
Steve


 
From:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On 
Behalf Of James McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSelling CS
products
 
I put a
couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that the plants do
well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for anywhere from
$15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own and the cost of
DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the only costs now. Of
course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use a CLD diode and silver
wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic stirrer/heater, beakers,
fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a lot more than you need just
to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold), and experiment with different
stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost of charging (I only charge for
the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have to if I end up making gallons of
the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00 for refills to keep up in DW and put
some money away for new silver wires.
 
 

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[James McDonald]

I keep telling people you can make a current controlled CS generator 
with a CLD(Current Limiting Diode) @ 1mA to 5mA depending on silver 
anode size, 4 - 9v batteries, 9v battery clips, some wire clips, silver 
wire, beaker or other glass jar, timer. You can get this all for 
under(including silver wire/coin) $50.00.



 From: ASL aslra...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold
 

Hi All,
After many months reading about how people make their own colloidal silver, I 
am still quite intimidated by the thought of trying to set up machines and what 
like  - I am not mechanically/chemically-inclined.  Yet I wish to save my money 
too. Just cured an ear infection last week using few drops of store-bought SC 
and organic olive oil, it was gone after 6 hours and has not returned. 
Impressed. 
Anyway, as a Deaf person, does anyone know of a YouTube video that has step by 
step guide in how to use the machines to make SC with English subtitles?

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[James McDonald]

P.S. If you PM me I will write up a detailed how-to on IS/CS (Ionic 
Silver/Colloidal Silver) build your own and where to get parts that don't cost 
an arm  leg.





 From: ASL aslra...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold
 

Hi All,
After many months reading about how people make their own colloidal silver, I 
am still quite intimidated by the thought of trying to set up machines and what 
like  - I am not mechanically/chemically-inclined.  Yet I wish to save my money 
too. Just cured an ear infection last week using few drops of store-bought SC 
and organic olive oil, it was gone after 6 hours and has not returned. 
Impressed. 
Anyway, as a Deaf person, does anyone know of a YouTube video that has step by 
step guide in how to use the machines to make SC with English subtitles?

RE: CSRE: colloidal gold

[Neville Munn]

For use on animals may be OK too in getting around those problems.
N.

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:22:46 -0800
From: kscma...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Use the excuse for plants to get around FDA,EPA etc.


From: Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold
   

I can't imagine that a couple drops would be able to do much to a large amount 
of soil. I'm thinking it might be just enough for the plant to absorb and use 
to fight off disease and fungus. Maybe I can think of it as treating the plant 
not the soil?

On Feb 24, 2013 5:27 PM, Steve youngs...@digis.net wrote:















James,

 

Please share on the list how you make
colloidal gold.

Thanks,

Steve









From:
silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On 
Behalf Of James McDonald


Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
2:57 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSSelling CS
products



 



I put a
couple of drops of CS into my wifes plant water and it seems that the plants do
well and have had no problems. I have seen the IS/CS sell for anywhere from
$15.00 to $45.00 a 4 oz bottle. Thats too much! I make my own and the cost of
DW and the 5 cents of silver that end up in 20 PPM are the only costs now. Of
course all the equipment to make mine, you can just use a CLD diode and silver
wire and mason jars and a timer. I have a magnetic stirrer/heater, beakers,
fitted lids, multimeters, thermometers, pipetts, a lot more than you need just
to make IS/CS. I also make CG(Colloidal Gold), and experiment with different
stabilizers and electrolytes. So the end cost of charging (I only charge for
the bottle) zero for the IS/CS. I might have to if I end up making gallons of
the stuff per week. I have charges $1.00 for refills to keep up in DW and put
some money away for new silver wires.



 





 













  

Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

[PT Ferrance]

Hi, there was nothing mechanical about setting up my silver puppy... just 
plugging in a couple of plugs and the wires into the top.  Just read the 
instructions.
Best of luck.
PT





From: ASL aslra...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 24, 2013 5:57:42 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: colloidal gold

Hi All,
After many months reading about how people make their own colloidal silver, I 
am 
still quite intimidated by the thought of trying to set up machines and what 
like  - I am not mechanically/chemically-inclined.  Yet I wish to save my money 
too. Just cured an ear infection last week using few drops of store-bought SC 
and organic olive oil, it was gone after 6 hours and has not returned. 
Impressed. 
Anyway, as a Deaf person, does anyone know of a YouTube video that has step by 
step guide in how to use the machines to make SC with English subtitles?

Re: CSOT: colloidal gold

[Marshall Dudley]

Dianne France wrote:
I have a friend that used to get gold injections for severe 
arthritis.  They no longer have gold for this use.  Searching for the 
colloidal silver I ran into a site that also sold a generator for 
colloidal gold.  Has anyone used colloidal gold and would this be 
similar to what my friend was getting injected?  He said that his 
arthritis hasn't been as much under control since he had to give up 
the gold shots.
 
Dianne
Gold teatments for arthritis are what I would call a band aid. They can 
help reduce the pain, but they can come with a huge price, from what I 
have read, they can be very toxic to the person, and if the dosage is 
just a little high, can even be fatal.  Why bother with an expensive 
band aid?  The best solution is to cure the arthritis, which I did for 
mine about 5 years ago.  Use the protocol that Brooks Bradley posted 
here not long ago, and simply get rid of it for once and for all.


Marshall


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Re: CSOT: colloidal gold

[Dianne France]

Marshall,

How would I find that post from Brooks Bradley?  Must have missed that one.  I 
also have arthritis but the cs is helping.  Would LOVE to get rid of it.  I've 
had one joint replacement and they want me to have three more.

Dianne
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  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:04 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT: colloidal gold



  Gold teatments for arthritis are what I would call a band aid. They can 
  help reduce the pain, but they can come with a huge price, from what I 
  have read, they can be very toxic to the person, and if the dosage is 
  just a little high, can even be fatal.  Why bother with an expensive 
  band aid?  The best solution is to cure the arthritis, which I did for 
  mine about 5 years ago.  Use the protocol that Brooks Bradley posted 
  here not long ago, and simply get rid of it for once and for all.

  Marshall


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CSOT: colloidal gold

[Dianne France]

I have a friend that used to get gold injections for severe arthritis.  They no 
longer have gold for this use.  Searching for the colloidal silver I ran into a 
site that also sold a generator for colloidal gold.  Has anyone used colloidal 
gold and would this be similar to what my friend was getting injected?  He said 
that his arthritis hasn't been as much under control since he had to give up 
the gold shots.

Dianne

Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

Ditto.


- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



get over it...

faith gagne wrote:

I did not call a distributor in Colorado.

.

- Original Message - From: Ode odecoyo...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:24 AM 6/16/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he 
posts online,  was given to me by my credit card company.


Therefore, you called whom ever you did business with and that would 
be the distributor Colloids For Life in Colorado who bought CS in 
quantity from the manufacturer in New Jersey.

 Those numbers are generally on the monthly card statement BTW.

Incidentally, it's OK to store either type of CS in a suitable non 
leaching plastic container. [the original complaint?]
The ionic charge doesn't leak off as the myth says and a particulate 
CS doesn't have an ionic charge to leak off if it could.


Further, Pure silver and it's Oxides and Hydroxides don't react to 
light, so clear plastic is OK as well.

If it does react, you have something other than silver and water.

Ode

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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode]

At 10:24 AM 6/16/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he 
posts online,  was given to me by my credit card company.


Therefore, you called whom ever you did business with and that would be the 
distributor Colloids For Life in Colorado who bought CS in quantity from 
the manufacturer in New Jersey.

 Those numbers are generally on the monthly card statement BTW.

Incidentally, it's OK to store either type of CS in a suitable non leaching 
plastic container. [the original complaint?]
The ionic charge doesn't leak off as the myth says and a particulate CS 
doesn't have an ionic charge to leak off if it could.


Further, Pure silver and it's Oxides and Hydroxides don't react to light, 
so clear plastic is OK as well.

If it does react, you have something other than silver and water.

Ode 



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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

I did not call a distributor in Colorado.

.

- Original Message - 
From: Ode odecoyo...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:24 AM 6/16/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he 
posts online,  was given to me by my credit card company.


Therefore, you called whom ever you did business with and that would be 
the distributor Colloids For Life in Colorado who bought CS in quantity 
from the manufacturer in New Jersey.

 Those numbers are generally on the monthly card statement BTW.

Incidentally, it's OK to store either type of CS in a suitable non 
leaching plastic container. [the original complaint?]
The ionic charge doesn't leak off as the myth says and a particulate CS 
doesn't have an ionic charge to leak off if it could.


Further, Pure silver and it's Oxides and Hydroxides don't react to 
light, so clear plastic is OK as well.

If it does react, you have something other than silver and water.

Ode

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Fw: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Sandee George]

Hi There Ode - thanks for a good Sunday laugh - keep on keeping on
Warmest regards
Sandee
Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset

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From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:48:19 -0400
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question
Message-ID: 5.2.0.9.2.20070616062047.00aa7...@mail.alltel.net
References: 83598.62614...@web60017.mail.yahoo.com 
5.2.0.9.2.20070614052646.00aad...@mail.alltel.net 
5.2.0.9.2.20070615055406.00a92...@mail.alltel.net

At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book,
but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a
serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I
do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.

On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to
me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every
aspect 
of their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been 
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an 
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.


   That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive,  warps the science and the use
of 
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and 
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions 
selling it ]
  If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.

  If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what
you 
are talking about.

  That's not a sin, so, so what?

But, was it Frank that said so?


If you called Colloids for Life, you called a distributor, not the 
manufacturer.  So, did you talk to Frank...or someone else?
Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?

It's highly possible that a distributor also doesn't know much and used

rudeness as a defense.  NOT uncommon.

Colloids For Life, LLC []
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260

Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060

It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives
in 
New Jersey.

I've never known Frank to be rude.  Maybe he isn't nice.
   I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the 
point* even if it makes me wrong.
  Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
Some people are just offendees no matter what anyone says, if it 
isn't what they want to hear.
  I HAVE known the other guy to play manipulation games and look for 
recruits [ myself ]  to play them with him.

I'll go with not nice over a pleasant prevaricator any day.

I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
  I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other 
applications.

I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank

says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious
that 
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is
and 
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he 
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better.  He isn't
stupid 
or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are nice to every customers 
face.  It's a requirement for the job. ]
  Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants 
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by 
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.

Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not special
and 
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver.  Exact same stuff, different

meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction 
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.

No, we didn't exactly lie we lead you down a language path of belief
that 
you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical make 
sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most
people 
don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]
  You bought it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done.  Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead
to 
believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close 
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.


  Examples of barking sales cats:
 More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined  [ Any
doctor 
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??  [ Maybe, 
maybe not but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]

Dennis Lee

Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Arnold Beland]

Ode said ..but you were sold.

Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also 
believes to be true.   --  Demosthenes 

People prefer deception to truth. Lies, especially lattering lies, make them 
feel good about themselves. They are convenient and soothing, like
diet cola - sweet and empty. The truth, by contrast, is too strong. It disturbs 
our digestion and troubles our sleep.  Give me straight-up mendacity any day.

Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com

Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Dan Nave]

get over it...

faith gagne wrote:

I did not call a distributor in Colorado.

.

- Original Message - From: Ode odecoyo...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:24 AM 6/16/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he 
posts online,  was given to me by my credit card company.


Therefore, you called whom ever you did business with and that would 
be the distributor Colloids For Life in Colorado who bought CS in 
quantity from the manufacturer in New Jersey.

 Those numbers are generally on the monthly card statement BTW.

Incidentally, it's OK to store either type of CS in a suitable non 
leaching plastic container. [the original complaint?]
The ionic charge doesn't leak off as the myth says and a particulate 
CS doesn't have an ionic charge to leak off if it could.


Further, Pure silver and it's Oxides and Hydroxides don't react to 
light, so clear plastic is OK as well.

If it does react, you have something other than silver and water.

Ode

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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.


On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been 
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an 
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.



  That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive,  warps the science and the use of 
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and 
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions 
selling it ]

 If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.

 If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what you 
are talking about.


 That's not a sin, so, so what?

But, was it Frank that said so?


If you called Colloids for Life, you called a distributor, not the 
manufacturer.  So, did you talk to Frank...or someone else?

Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?

It's highly possible that a distributor also doesn't know much and used 
rudeness as a defense.  NOT uncommon.


Colloids For Life, LLC []
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260

Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060

It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives in 
New Jersey.


I've never known Frank to be rude.  Maybe he isn't nice.
  I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the 
point* even if it makes me wrong.

 Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
   Some people are just offendees no matter what anyone says, if it 
isn't what they want to hear.
 I HAVE known the other guy to play manipulation games and look for 
recruits [ myself ]  to play them with him.


I'll go with not nice over a pleasant prevaricator any day.

I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
 I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other 
applications.


I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank 
says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious that 
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is and 
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he 
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better.  He isn't stupid 
or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are nice to every customers 
face.  It's a requirement for the job. ]
 Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants 
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by 
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.


Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not special and 
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver.  Exact same stuff, different 
meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction 
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.


No, we didn't exactly lie we lead you down a language path of belief that 
you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical make 
sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most people 
don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]

 You bought it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done.  Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead to 
believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close 
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.



 Examples of barking sales cats:
 More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined  [ Any doctor 
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??  [ Maybe, 
maybe not but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]


Dennis Lee bends a Sears and Roebuck torque wrench into a pretzel to prove 
how much horsepower a steam engine has.  O  Ahhh !!,  goes the 
impressionable audience eager to invest in a brand new old hat, not 
knowing there is a big difference.



ode


- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question





  The guy that makes Meso Silver [Frank Key ] isn't rude and has one 
of the most valuable info sites about CS going

Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

At 11:16 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:


The person I spoke to at immugenics was not a salesman.



..but you were sold.

Ode





- Original Message - From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in fact
because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee



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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





---Original Message---


From: faith gagne

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.



On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect of


Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer.

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics.






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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he posts 
online,  was given to me by my credit card company.



- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.


On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been 
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an 
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.



  That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive,  warps the science and the use of 
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and 
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions 
selling it ]

 If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.

 If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what you 
are talking about.


 That's not a sin, so, so what?

But, was it Frank that said so?


If you called Colloids for Life, you called a distributor, not the 
manufacturer.  So, did you talk to Frank...or someone else?

Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?

It's highly possible that a distributor also doesn't know much and used 
rudeness as a defense.  NOT uncommon.


Colloids For Life, LLC []
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260

Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060

It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives in 
New Jersey.


I've never known Frank to be rude.  Maybe he isn't nice.
  I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the 
point* even if it makes me wrong.

 Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
   Some people are just offendees no matter what anyone says, if it 
isn't what they want to hear.
 I HAVE known the other guy to play manipulation games and look for 
recruits [ myself ]  to play them with him.


I'll go with not nice over a pleasant prevaricator any day.

I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
 I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other 
applications.


I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank 
says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious that 
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is and 
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he 
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better.  He isn't 
stupid or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are nice to every 
customers face.  It's a requirement for the job. ]
 Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants 
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by 
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.


Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not special and 
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver.  Exact same stuff, different 
meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction 
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.


No, we didn't exactly lie we lead you down a language path of belief 
that you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical 
make sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most 
people don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]

 You bought it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done.  Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead 
to believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close 
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.



 Examples of barking sales cats:
 More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined  [ Any doctor 
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??  [ Maybe, 
maybe not but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]


Dennis Lee bends a Sears and Roebuck torque wrench into a pretzel to prove 
how much horsepower a steam engine has.  O  Ahhh !!,  goes the 
impressionable audience eager to invest in a brand new old hat, not 
knowing there is a big

Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

No, I was not sold.  I was already using their product.



- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


At 11:16 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:


The person I spoke to at immugenics was not a salesman.



..but you were sold.

Ode





- Original Message - From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in 
fact

because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee



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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.

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---Original Message---


From: faith gagne

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.



On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of



Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer.

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics.






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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

  The guy that makes Meso Silver [Frank Key ] isn't rude and has one of 
the most valuable info sites about CS going.

www.silver-colloids.com

Although the ionic silver solution made by Steven Quinto, sold by Natural 
Immunogenics is very good, it's not different from home made in any 
significant way.
 The TEM [Transmission Electron Microscope] images presented to show 
particle size are a mis-representation of the product and others imaged, 
used to compare that product to, are easily manipulated to look bad in the 
TEM sample preparation process.
 It doesn't show particles as they are in the water and Ions aren't 
particles except by a technicality being used to confuse the consumer.

  A TEM cannot image Silver Ions.
 At 97% ionic, it would not look like a dense field of specks on film, it 
would be hard to actually find a particle at all.


Ode


At 03:05 PM 6/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I ordered Meso Silver and it arrived in a plastic bottle.  Every CS I've 
ever seen has been in glass.  I contacted Colloids for life about it and 
they told me how stupid I am, and that they are scientists and I am not a 
scientist.  I told them that in that case  they should perhaps sell only 
to other scientists.


I returned the unopened  product and got my money back.

I am more impressed with  Natural Immunogenics.  They have a beautiful lab 
in Florida.  And they are nice to talk to on the phone too.  Very polite 
and helpful.  For a closer look:  http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/





- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 08:39 AM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote:



What is the collective scoop on the products from www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated?  I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the silver
as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.

 They're selling Meso Silver/Gold,  Frank Keys baby.


No one knows what it is except mostly particulate..a true colloid.
Sposed to be good stuff.





What about Water
Oz products?


WasVery high PPM Silver Citrate.
Might work just fine but be real careful about total amounts used.  There 
have been a few blue people who used too much.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html

Ode


 Thanks for any info.
SMax

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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Dee]

My bought silver is always in plastic bottles and has always been fine,
clear and never discoloured and lasts indefinitely. Dee 

 

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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. 

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: faith gagne 

Date: 14/06/2007 20:10:23 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question 

 

I ordered Meso Silver and it arrived in a plastic bottle. Every CS I've 

Ever seen has been in glass. I contacted Colloids for life about it and 

They told me how stupid I am, and that they are scientists and I am not a 

Scientist. I told them that in that case they should perhaps sell only to 

Other scientists. 

 

I returned the unopened product and got my money back. 

 


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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.


On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect of 
their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been nicer. 
That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an informative 
website, check out Natural-immugenoics.



- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question





  The guy that makes Meso Silver [Frank Key ] isn't rude and has one of 
the most valuable info sites about CS going.

www.silver-colloids.com

Although the ionic silver solution made by Steven Quinto, sold by Natural 
Immunogenics is very good, it's not different from home made in any 
significant way.
 The TEM [Transmission Electron Microscope] images presented to show 
particle size are a mis-representation of the product and others imaged, 
used to compare that product to, are easily manipulated to look bad in the 
TEM sample preparation process.
 It doesn't show particles as they are in the water and Ions aren't 
particles except by a technicality being used to confuse the consumer.

  A TEM cannot image Silver Ions.
 At 97% ionic, it would not look like a dense field of specks on film, it 
would be hard to actually find a particle at all.


Ode


At 03:05 PM 6/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I ordered Meso Silver and it arrived in a plastic bottle.  Every CS I've 
ever seen has been in glass.  I contacted Colloids for life about it and 
they told me how stupid I am, and that they are scientists and I am not a 
scientist.  I told them that in that case  they should perhaps sell only 
to other scientists.


I returned the unopened  product and got my money back.

I am more impressed with  Natural Immunogenics.  They have a beautiful lab 
in Florida.  And they are nice to talk to on the phone too.  Very polite 
and helpful.  For a closer look:  http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/





- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 08:39 AM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote:



What is the collective scoop on the products from 
www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated?  I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the 
silver

as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.

 They're selling Meso Silver/Gold,  Frank Keys baby.


No one knows what it is except mostly particulate..a true colloid.
Sposed to be good stuff.





What about Water
Oz products?


WasVery high PPM Silver Citrate.
Might work just fine but be real careful about total amounts used.  There 
have been a few blue people who used too much.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html

Ode


 Thanks for any info.
SMax

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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Dee]

I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is 
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in fact
 because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee 

 

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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. 

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: faith gagne 

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question 

 

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious 

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do 

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website. 

 

On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect of


Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer. 

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative 

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics. 

 

 


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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

The person I spoke to at immugenics was not a salesman.



- Original Message - 
From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in fact
because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee



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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





---Original Message--- 




From: faith gagne

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.



On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect of


Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer.

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics.






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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

At 08:39 AM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote:



What is the collective scoop on the products from www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated?  I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the silver
as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.

 They're selling Meso Silver/Gold,  Frank Keys baby.


No one knows what it is except mostly particulate..a true colloid.
Sposed to be good stuff.





What about Water
Oz products?


WasVery high PPM Silver Citrate.
Might work just fine but be real careful about total amounts used.  There 
have been a few blue people who used too much.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html

Ode


 Thanks for any info.
SMax

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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

I ordered Meso Silver and it arrived in a plastic bottle.  Every CS I've 
ever seen has been in glass.  I contacted Colloids for life about it and 
they told me how stupid I am, and that they are scientists and I am not a 
scientist.  I told them that in that case  they should perhaps sell only to 
other scientists.


I returned the unopened  product and got my money back.

I am more impressed with  Natural Immunogenics.  They have a beautiful lab 
in Florida.  And they are nice to talk to on the phone too.  Very polite and 
helpful.  For a closer look:  http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/





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From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 08:39 AM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote:



What is the collective scoop on the products from www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated?  I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the silver
as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.

 They're selling Meso Silver/Gold,  Frank Keys baby.


No one knows what it is except mostly particulate..a true colloid.
Sposed to be good stuff.





What about Water
Oz products?


WasVery high PPM Silver Citrate.
Might work just fine but be real careful about total amounts used.  There 
have been a few blue people who used too much.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html

Ode


 Thanks for any info.
SMax

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CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[s...@emotap]

 
What is the collective scoop on the products from www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated?  I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the silver
as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.  What about Water
Oz products?   Thanks for any info.
SMax
 
 


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Re: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Ode Coyote]

 Gold is EXTREMLY corrosion resistant.
 Most 'acids' won't touch it.
ode

At 01:42 PM 12/16/2004 -0800, you wrote:

I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed



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RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Ed Kasper]

yes both silver and gold are resistant to corrosion but not immune. Gold it
seems would take my lifetime to CG au natural.


ed

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:57 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: Colloidal Gold


 Gold is EXTREMLY corrosion resistant.
 Most 'acids' won't touch it.
ode

At 01:42 PM 12/16/2004 -0800, you wrote:

I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.



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RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Ed Kasper]

I 'm wondering if one could  HYDROSOL Gold  or Silver with distilled water.
This is a process commonly used to produce flower essence or essential oils.
You have a closed system with water boiling on the bottom. The steam rises
and passes through a second middle layer  [flowers / herbs / Gold / Silver]
and condenses at the top and collecting the essence of the flower/herb or
oil along with the steam distillate which runs down a cooling strip. I may
try that if I can get a hold of some gold and silver dust. Just have to plan
things out what to hold the dust on (stainless may as well corrode, paper
filters (like coffee filters, how to weight everything and what to look for
and then how to test whats there.

any ideas?

ed
  -Original Message-
  From: Sally Khanna [mailto:khann...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:37 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRE: Colloidal Gold


  In Ayurveda, we were taught to boil pure gold in water (I don't have the
specifics handy) to produce gold water  or the same process for silver.
this produces a somewhat homeopathic water.

  Sally

  Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net wrote:
I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the
water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it
would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed

CSRe:CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[William Amos]

Hi:
I wasn't aware that distilled water was corrosive.
Can you explain this ?
Bill Amos
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a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water. Isn't that 
what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would at least 
produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed



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CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Ed Kasper]

I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed



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RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Kay Kelly]

Distilled water is inert to gold and silver.  (water reacts to magnesium
because the magnesium splits the molecule and ignites the hydrogen)  Running
water will erode metal (and rock) over time.  However the particles are too
big to be metabolized by the body.  If you just place gold or silver in
standing water it will simply oxidize.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Kasper [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRE: Colloidal Gold


I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed



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RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Ed Kasper]

water is a solvent meaning it dissolves things. There are claims that people
are sick because they are dehydrated. see www.watercure.com  There are PhD's
and doctors that claim drinking distilled water will leech minerals form
your body so you should not drink distilled water.

Isn't oxidize a break-down of a metal. Dissolving the metal. In theory
distilled water would be pure nothing else in it and Gold as a base metal no
further breakdown into something else is possible so the end result over
enough time will be gold water.

thanks for your thoughts,

ed

-Original Message-
From: Kay Kelly [mailto:kayke...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: Colloidal Gold


Distilled water is inert to gold and silver.  (water reacts to magnesium
because the magnesium splits the molecule and ignites the hydrogen)  Running
water will erode metal (and rock) over time.  However the particles are too
big to be metabolized by the body.  If you just place gold or silver in
standing water it will simply oxidize.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Kasper [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRE: Colloidal Gold


I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed


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Re: CSRE: Colloidal Gold

[Sally Khanna]

In Ayurveda, we were taught to boil pure gold in water (I don't have the 
specifics handy) to produce gold water  or the same process for silver.  this 
produces a somewhat homeopathic water.
 
Sally

Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net wrote:
I have a question. Since distilled water is corrosive, why doesn't it
dissolve a percentage of gold from a coin that is simply set in the water.
Isn't that what the pilgrims need with their silver dollars. Seems it would
at least produce a homeopathic type relationship.

ed



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CSTesting for Colloidal Gold or Silver

[Medwith, Robert]

I remember when I bought my tester It stated it was not for High Voltage
Colloidal Silver this could also apply to
High Voltage Colloidal Gold. They never said why, but said readings would
not be right.
 
Bob

Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[fig227]

Pride labs are not charlatans. They are not a bunch of dopey characters.
I'll get back to you with their answer.

Dan





- Original Message -
From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 Dan,

 I don't give a d-mn what Pride Lbs say, but arcing gold in air is a
 disaster

 Does you product have any color. Without a light violet color you do not
 have CG. I have done the design work and spent the money for the AA's to
 verufy my work. Without a lab analysis you aare being very foolish.

 Ole Bob P.E.

 fig...@comcast.net wrote:

 Thanks. I shall ask Pride labs support. Arcing method goes much faster
than
 submersion of both electrodes. They prefer it.
 
 
 
 


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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[Ode Coyote]

 Any time you do this and don't use an inert gas banket, you make nitric acid.
 Nitric acid will indeed register on a PPM meter quite well.

 I don't suppose it's possible that you're drinking dilute nitric acid with
no gold in it?

Ode


 CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
 water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
 creating the colloidal gold.


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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[fig227]

Thanks. I shall ask Pride labs support. Arcing method goes much faster than
submersion of both electrodes. They prefer it.

Dan


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From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 Any time you do this and don't use an inert gas banket, you make nitric
acid.
  Nitric acid will indeed register on a PPM meter quite well.

  I don't suppose it's possible that you're drinking dilute nitric acid
with
 no gold in it?

 Ode


  CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
  water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the
water
  creating the colloidal gold.


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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[sol]

Anybody know if Pride labs is a source of reliable information? I just
checked out their site and see they charge almost double the price of
other places for a TDS meter, and the TDS is what they recommend and
include in some packages for measuring ppm.  For what they charge
for the TDS one could get a PWT from silvergen. So it makes me
suspicious.
paula
- Original Message - 
From: fig...@comcast.net


 Thanks. I shall ask Pride labs support. Arcing method goes much
faster than
 submersion of both electrodes. They prefer it.

 Dan


 - Original Message -
 From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:06 AM
 Subject: Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


  Any time you do this and don't use an inert gas banket, you make
nitric
 acid.
   Nitric acid will indeed register on a PPM meter quite well.
 
   I don't suppose it's possible that you're drinking dilute nitric
acid
 with
  no gold in it?
 
  Ode
 
 
   CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire
and the
   water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into)
the
 water
   creating the colloidal gold.
 
 
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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[Robert Berger]

Hi Ode,

You are SO right. When people start playing around with HVAC arcs and do 
not have the test equipment to measure what they have, they are making a 
poisonous brew


I have investigated almost any protocol that can be thought of with the 
HVAC NST's.


For those who do not know their chemistry history, Dr. Farber in pre WW1 
Germany discovered that he could make nitrates for explosives by forming 
an arc in air. That is how Germany made their explosives in WW! and WW2.


If you don't know what you are doing leave it alone!

Ole Bob Registered Professional Electrical Engineer !!

Ode Coyote wrote:


Any time you do this and don't use an inert gas banket, you make nitric acid.
Nitric acid will indeed register on a PPM meter quite well.

I don't suppose it's possible that you're drinking dilute nitric acid with
no gold in it?

Ode


 


CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
creating the colloidal gold.
 




 




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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[Robert Berger]

Dan,

I don't give a d-mn what Pride Lbs say, but arcing gold in air is a 
disaster


Does you product have any color. Without a light violet color you do not 
have CG. I have done the design work and spent the money for the AA's to 
verufy my work. Without a lab analysis you aare being very foolish.


Ole Bob P.E.

fig...@comcast.net wrote:


Thanks. I shall ask Pride labs support. Arcing method goes much faster than
submersion of both electrodes. They prefer it.

 






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CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[fig227]

I am making it with good results. I took a leap of faith and plunked down
$400 with Pride Labs. I feel more energetic and positive. My mind is more
clear. I will have to get a better read on dosage but right now take 4-8 oz
per day of 30ppm colloidal gold. Drink it first thing in the morning. I have
made 75ppm gold and used this too. The instructions with the Pride Labs
machine say this is still non clumping colloidal gold

My unit makes the CG via polarized HVDC. Not HVAC, which is what pushed me
over the line to buy it and not try to make my own unit with a neon sign
transformer.

CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
creating the colloidal gold.

My take is: The less junk food you eat, the better the CG effect is. It's
a bit subtle so will be missed by a heavy meat eater. This is my theory.
Thus CG is not a universal cure all. You have to do your bit too with the
CG.  My guess is someone who prays and meditates will feel a stronger CG
effect. Same for Chi Gung and Tai Chi. I would love to take CG on a five
day fast when the weather warms up.

Call up the Pride labs support number in Oregon for more info, they are
friendly and informative. Go to their website. The unit makes a quart of
colloidal gold (silver and copper wires were also included in kit) in 15-30
minutes. Comes with a ppm meter so you know how powerful the solution is.
Weighs about 3 pounds

Dan




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From: Dan
To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


Anybody making colloidal gold with good results ? Or do we have to
spend $40 an ounce on the internet !
Dan



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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Dan:

Thanks for the report.  I'm not a colloidal gold expert, but please remember
that there is a history behind gold as used in medicine.  While the gold
products used in clinical practice are gold compounds, and not at all like
the product you are making, I thought you would like to consider:

1.  That there is a tight dosage window with gold use in the body:  If the
body adsorbs too much gold, the beneficial effects are reversed; in other
words, it can have the exact opposite effect that a smaller dose would ( see
any good drug handbook ).

I think it would take quite a bit low PPM CG to achieve the same effects as
the sulfur or salt gold compounds, but it's just good to keep in mind, in
the event that you experience benefit, then all of the sudden you
experience nuerological effects, increase in arthritic pain, etc, that one
may just simply have to decrease the dosage amount.

Best Regards,

Jason



- Original Message -
From: fig...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 I am making it with good results. I took a leap of faith and plunked down
 $400 with Pride Labs. I feel more energetic and positive. My mind is more
 clear. I will have to get a better read on dosage but right now take 4-8
oz
 per day of 30ppm colloidal gold. Drink it first thing in the morning. I
have
 made 75ppm gold and used this too. The instructions with the Pride Labs
 machine say this is still non clumping colloidal gold

 My unit makes the CG via polarized HVDC. Not HVAC, which is what pushed me
 over the line to buy it and not try to make my own unit with a neon sign
 transformer.

 CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
 water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
 creating the colloidal gold.

 My take is: The less junk food you eat, the better the CG effect is.
It's
 a bit subtle so will be missed by a heavy meat eater. This is my theory.
 Thus CG is not a universal cure all. You have to do your bit too with the
 CG.  My guess is someone who prays and meditates will feel a stronger CG
 effect. Same for Chi Gung and Tai Chi. I would love to take CG on a five
 day fast when the weather warms up.

 Call up the Pride labs support number in Oregon for more info, they are
 friendly and informative. Go to their website. The unit makes a quart of
 colloidal gold (silver and copper wires were also included in kit) in
15-30
 minutes. Comes with a ppm meter so you know how powerful the solution is.
 Weighs about 3 pounds

 Dan




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 To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:21 AM
 Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 Anybody making colloidal gold with good results ? Or do we have to
 spend $40 an ounce on the internet !
 Dan



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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[fig227]

Many thanks. I am aware of extremes and will gauge my physical reactions to
CG.

Dan





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From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 Hi Dan:

 Thanks for the report.  I'm not a colloidal gold expert, but please
remember
 that there is a history behind gold as used in medicine.  While the gold
 products used in clinical practice are gold compounds, and not at all like
 the product you are making, I thought you would like to consider:

 1.  That there is a tight dosage window with gold use in the body:  If the
 body adsorbs too much gold, the beneficial effects are reversed; in other
 words, it can have the exact opposite effect that a smaller dose would (
see
 any good drug handbook ).

 I think it would take quite a bit low PPM CG to achieve the same effects
as
 the sulfur or salt gold compounds, but it's just good to keep in mind, in
 the event that you experience benefit, then all of the sudden you
 experience nuerological effects, increase in arthritic pain, etc, that one
 may just simply have to decrease the dosage amount.

 Best Regards,

 Jason



 - Original Message -
 From: fig...@comcast.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:50 AM
 Subject: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


  I am making it with good results. I took a leap of faith and plunked
down
  $400 with Pride Labs. I feel more energetic and positive. My mind is
more
  clear. I will have to get a better read on dosage but right now take 4-8
 oz
  per day of 30ppm colloidal gold. Drink it first thing in the morning. I
 have
  made 75ppm gold and used this too. The instructions with the Pride Labs
  machine say this is still non clumping colloidal gold
 
  My unit makes the CG via polarized HVDC. Not HVAC, which is what pushed
me
  over the line to buy it and not try to make my own unit with a neon sign
  transformer.
 
  CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
  water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
  creating the colloidal gold.
 
  My take is: The less junk food you eat, the better the CG effect is.
 It's
  a bit subtle so will be missed by a heavy meat eater. This is my theory.
  Thus CG is not a universal cure all. You have to do your bit too with
the
  CG.  My guess is someone who prays and meditates will feel a stronger
CG
  effect. Same for Chi Gung and Tai Chi. I would love to take CG on a
five
  day fast when the weather warms up.
 
  Call up the Pride labs support number in Oregon for more info, they are
  friendly and informative. Go to their website. The unit makes a quart of
  colloidal gold (silver and copper wires were also included in kit) in
 15-30
  minutes. Comes with a ppm meter so you know how powerful the solution
is.
  Weighs about 3 pounds
 
  Dan
 
 
 
 
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  Anybody making colloidal gold with good results ? Or do we have to
  spend $40 an ounce on the internet !
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CSLVDC Colloidal Gold?

[Frank Cindy Welch]

Taken from 
http://www.pridelabs.us/cs/ps30.htm



LVDC Colloidal Gold?

The PS30 has been 'experimented' with successfully in making low PPM 
(under 5ppm) LVDC naturally charged Colloidal Gold. These experiments 
have made clear Colloidal Gold, not the larger particle Reddish or Ruby 
colored Gold being sold on the market. Low PPM LVDC Colloidal Gold has 
been shown by blind tests to be effective and useful in as little as 1 
PPM. LVDC Colloidal Gold takes anywhere from 4 to 16 hours to experiment 
with and sometimes can only be pushed to a few PPM above your initial 
baseline. The PS30 is NOT guaranteed to make LVDC Colloidal Gold in any 
PPM amount, it can only be used to make experimental LVDC Colloidal Gold.




HVAC Add-ON Module: Makes a smaller AC Generated Colloidal Particle, but 
all HVAC Modules are for EXPERIMENTAL USE ONLY and PRIDE LABS does not 
guaranty your ability to make HVAC, Silver, Gold or Copper.





Does anyone have any detailed procedures for making colloidal gold?  I 
had heard that Low Voltage didnt work to make CG , and didnt want to put 
out the $$ for the hi-voltage module, but am now concidering it.




I use the Pride labs PS-30 and make about a gallon of CS a week.

Brew Cell:  Gallon Sun Tea Jar
anode:  5 #14 . silver wire
one inch separation
2 cathodes: 7 #12 . silver wire
air pump bubbler
brew temp: 120 f.
usual brew time 4 - 5 1/2 hrs




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CSLVDC Colloidal Gold?

[Frank Cindy Welch]

Taken from 
http://www.pridelabs.us/cs/ps30.htm



LVDC Colloidal Gold?

The PS30 has been 'experimented' with successfully in making low PPM 
(under 5ppm) LVDC naturally charged Colloidal Gold. These experiments 
have made clear Colloidal Gold, not the larger particle Reddish or Ruby 
colored Gold being sold on the market. Low PPM LVDC Colloidal Gold has 
been shown by blind tests to be effective and useful in as little as 1 
PPM. LVDC Colloidal Gold takes anywhere from 4 to 16 hours to experiment 
with and sometimes can only be pushed to a few PPM above your initial 
baseline. The PS30 is NOT guaranteed to make LVDC Colloidal Gold in any 
PPM amount, it can only be used to make experimental LVDC Colloidal Gold.



HVAC Add-ON Module: Makes a smaller AC Generated Colloidal Particle, but 
all HVAC Modules are for EXPERIMENTAL USE ONLY and PRIDE LABS does not 
guaranty your ability to make HVAC, Silver, Gold or Copper.




Does anyone have any detailed procedures for making colloidal gold?  I 
had heard that Low Voltage didnt work to make CG , and didnt want to put 
out the $$ for the hi-voltage module, but am now concidering it.

I use the Pride labs PS-30 and make about a gallon of CS a week.



Brew Cell:  Gallon Sun Tea Jar
anode:  5 #14 . silver wire
one inch separation
2 cathodes: 7 #12 . silver wire
air pump bubbler
brew temp: 120 f.
usual brew time 4 - 5 1/2 hrs




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Re: CSRe: Colloidal gold

[Jack Dayton]

Dan Nave   8/26/03 5:13 PM  Wrote:

 Stay on the silver list.  There's a lot of colloidal gold info here.  You
 also get to read a whole lot of unsolicited smart-ass comments by Jack
 Dayton...
***
I'll keep you in mind.

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CSRe: Colloidal gold

[Mike Monett]

CSRe: Colloidal gold
From: jrowland
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:02:41

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html

jr

Which entries are you referring to, jr?

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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CSRe: Colloidal gold

[jrowland]

Which entries are you referring to...
Entering colloidal gold in the Search field yields 326 results;
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53850.html
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53849.html
are but 2 examples.
jr


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Re: CSRe: Colloidal gold

[Jack Dayton]

jrowl...@nctimes.net   8/26/03 8:41 AM  Wrote:

 Which entries are you referring to...
 Entering colloidal gold in the Search field yields 326 results;
 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53850.html
 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53849.html
 are but 2 examples.
 jr
*
Everything you could ever want to know
on the subject will be found by selecting google,
and then entering --  colloidal gold
I think I saw that 37,200 hits were available.
When you finish reading, get back to us
with all that you learned.

Jack


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Re: CSRe: Colloidal gold

[Dan Nave]

Stay on the silver list.  There's a lot of colloidal gold info here.  You
also get to read a whole lot of unsolicited smart-ass comments by Jack
Dayton...

Re: CSRe: Colloidal gold

From: Jack Dayton (view other messages by this author)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:36:00

 Which entries are you referring to...

*
Everything you could ever want to know
on the subject will be found by selecting google,
and then entering --  colloidal gold
I think I saw that 37,200 hits were available.
When you finish reading, get back to us
with all that you learned.

Jack




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CSRe: Colloidal gold

[jrowland]

 I would be very interested in hearing about Colloidal Gold making!---Dan
It's been discussed many times, so there's plenty in the archives, too:
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
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CSChemtrails are global nanoscience-Colloidal silver/colloidal gold

[T.J.Garland]

 and fluorides were used to overcome enemies.  It could often
imprison
 enemies within their own minds, due to the nervous system effects.

 Today, the issues of colloids falls into the category of nanosciences.
 Nanosciences involve these small particles from the size of atoms to sizes
just
 under the resolution of light microscopes.  Colloids can be in gas or air,
in
 liquids, in solids, or the surfaces of solids.  Colloids of gold or silver
are
 the same size as proteins in the body and can travel these same pathways
in the
 body and remove the toxic materials.  This is why colloidal gold and
silver is
 so effective in the prevention of the formation of the destructive
G-protein
 fluoride-metal complexes.  It was this pharmacy effect that the Egyptians
used
 and the Jewish used to give them the Divine Rights from God.

 Claiming Divine Right by these processes have a great deal to do with
Deceit
 and Treachery, because these metals industry trade secrets have little to
do
 with God.  It is more about using trade secrets to accomplish a process of
 Racketeering.  This process has come to a head and now threatens the
prosperity of
 the world, by it not being reported.

 I discovered all these pharmacy effects back in the mid-80's at ORNL it
set
 off the science called nano-science.  This nano-science is the key to the
 chemtrails and atmosphere effects.  We have discussed how HF is a problem
in the
 atmosphere leading to higher UV-b causing the CO2 levels to rise due to
effects
 on plants.  The HF in the atmosphere is a very small particle or colloid
 suspension in air.  HF having the similar molecular weight of air, rises
to the
 highest in the ozone layers.  Here the captured hydrogen is ionized and
emits the
 dangerous UV-b levels at higher rates.  The freon is also a colloid of
solid
 particles that are carried along in the air via a colloid type suspension.
 The Sun's radiation causes it to for fluorides, which combine with
hydrogen to
 worsen the UV-b radiation.

 The chemtrails were made from the knowledge of this very same 5,000 year
old
 science.  The titanium method is just a colloid method.  Jet planes burn
the
 titanium and make a few titanium oxide particles, which fall to Earth and
get
 in the lungs of humans and animals to offset the lung cancer effects and
it
 gets into the animal food chain to keep their immune damage lessened.
Titanium
 is used to offset the health damage effects of aluminum and barium.

 This same thinking went into the alloy of DU penetrators with titanium.
3/4
 percent titanium is mixed with DU to make it harder than steel and the
 pyrofloric nature of uranium is then used to cut thru simple steel like a
blow torch.
  It forms a large number of uranium particles that have colloidal
suspension
 properties in air and can travel some distance.  DU is so good at cutting
that
 its nickname is the silver bullet.  The titanium added is also used to
offset
 the uranium toxic effects, much like how colloidal silver is use for
health.
 The low percentage of titanium does not appear enough to offset the health
 effects of uranium.

 Barium in chemtrails uses the colloid system to stay suspended to cause
the
 collection of water vapor from the air to set up larger particles that
cause
 Mie scattering to help cool off the global warming effects due to the rise
in
 CO2 levels from the HF damage to the ozone layer.  Barium is a cloud
seeding
 technique due to its hygroscopic nature.  Aluminum does the same thing,
but gets
 some help in the jet plume from the abundance of sulfuric acid in the air.
 The nano particles of aluminum-oxide react with the sulfuric acid to make
alum,
 which is hygroscopic and is also a cloud seeding technique.

 HAARP experiments are aimed at heating these little liquid and frozen
 nano-particles of HF in the atmosphere and causing them to form larger
particles and
 fall from air suspension.  HAARP's RF plasma heating causes a catalyst
effects
 to set up precipitation of the HF from the ionosphere.  This will lower
the
 UVb levels and in turn act to lower the CO2 and stop global warming.  The
low
 freq PWM of HAARP is about controlling earthquakes and volcanic events.
This
 helps support the other methods of global cooling by jet fuels cloud
seeding
 methods to cool the planet and lessen these effects.

 The entire basis for the Star Wars Excalibur system is based on the
existence
 of these colloidal suspensions in the upper atmosphere.  The Sun's
radiation
 on these materials sets up conductive layer plasma effects in the
atmosphere.
 The Sun also supplies huge amounts of electrons to the North Pole via MHD
 type effects that charge up the Earth's atmosphere with electric charge.
This
 effect can be used for pollution free energy from the Sun, or it can be
used for
 immense Star Wars weapons systems.  The Star Wars science is derived right
 out of these 5,000 year old colloid sciences and the old Egyptian star
metals
 and how King Arthur's sword was made.

 Today

Re: CSChemtrails are global nanoscience-Colloidal silver/colloidal gold

[Marshall Dudley]

 the gentiles.  When
 given
  to the Jewish masses via the wine and sacrament processes it made them
 more
  resistant to disease and offered a strategic advantage.  This has been
 used for
  thousands of years.  Even the dark side secret of the Ark using the toxic
  metals and fluorides were used to overcome enemies.  It could often
 imprison
  enemies within their own minds, due to the nervous system effects.
 
  Today, the issues of colloids falls into the category of nanosciences.
  Nanosciences involve these small particles from the size of atoms to sizes
 just
  under the resolution of light microscopes.  Colloids can be in gas or air,
 in
  liquids, in solids, or the surfaces of solids.  Colloids of gold or silver
 are
  the same size as proteins in the body and can travel these same pathways
 in the
  body and remove the toxic materials.  This is why colloidal gold and
 silver is
  so effective in the prevention of the formation of the destructive
 G-protein
  fluoride-metal complexes.  It was this pharmacy effect that the Egyptians
 used
  and the Jewish used to give them the Divine Rights from God.
 
  Claiming Divine Right by these processes have a great deal to do with
 Deceit
  and Treachery, because these metals industry trade secrets have little to
 do
  with God.  It is more about using trade secrets to accomplish a process of
  Racketeering.  This process has come to a head and now threatens the
 prosperity of
  the world, by it not being reported.
 
  I discovered all these pharmacy effects back in the mid-80's at ORNL it
 set
  off the science called nano-science.  This nano-science is the key to the
  chemtrails and atmosphere effects.  We have discussed how HF is a problem
 in the
  atmosphere leading to higher UV-b causing the CO2 levels to rise due to
 effects
  on plants.  The HF in the atmosphere is a very small particle or colloid
  suspension in air.  HF having the similar molecular weight of air, rises
 to the
  highest in the ozone layers.  Here the captured hydrogen is ionized and
 emits the
  dangerous UV-b levels at higher rates.  The freon is also a colloid of
 solid
  particles that are carried along in the air via a colloid type suspension.
  The Sun's radiation causes it to for fluorides, which combine with
 hydrogen to
  worsen the UV-b radiation.
 
  The chemtrails were made from the knowledge of this very same 5,000 year
 old
  science.  The titanium method is just a colloid method.  Jet planes burn
 the
  titanium and make a few titanium oxide particles, which fall to Earth and
 get
  in the lungs of humans and animals to offset the lung cancer effects and
 it
  gets into the animal food chain to keep their immune damage lessened.
 Titanium
  is used to offset the health damage effects of aluminum and barium.
 
  This same thinking went into the alloy of DU penetrators with titanium.
 3/4
  percent titanium is mixed with DU to make it harder than steel and the
  pyrofloric nature of uranium is then used to cut thru simple steel like a
 blow torch.
   It forms a large number of uranium particles that have colloidal
 suspension
  properties in air and can travel some distance.  DU is so good at cutting
 that
  its nickname is the silver bullet.  The titanium added is also used to
 offset
  the uranium toxic effects, much like how colloidal silver is use for
 health.
  The low percentage of titanium does not appear enough to offset the health
  effects of uranium.
 
  Barium in chemtrails uses the colloid system to stay suspended to cause
 the
  collection of water vapor from the air to set up larger particles that
 cause
  Mie scattering to help cool off the global warming effects due to the rise
 in
  CO2 levels from the HF damage to the ozone layer.  Barium is a cloud
 seeding
  technique due to its hygroscopic nature.  Aluminum does the same thing,
 but gets
  some help in the jet plume from the abundance of sulfuric acid in the air.
  The nano particles of aluminum-oxide react with the sulfuric acid to make
 alum,
  which is hygroscopic and is also a cloud seeding technique.
 
  HAARP experiments are aimed at heating these little liquid and frozen
  nano-particles of HF in the atmosphere and causing them to form larger
 particles and
  fall from air suspension.  HAARP's RF plasma heating causes a catalyst
 effects
  to set up precipitation of the HF from the ionosphere.  This will lower
 the
  UVb levels and in turn act to lower the CO2 and stop global warming.  The
 low
  freq PWM of HAARP is about controlling earthquakes and volcanic events.
 This
  helps support the other methods of global cooling by jet fuels cloud
 seeding
  methods to cool the planet and lessen these effects.
 
  The entire basis for the Star Wars Excalibur system is based on the
 existence
  of these colloidal suspensions in the upper atmosphere.  The Sun's
 radiation
  on these materials sets up conductive layer plasma effects in the
 atmosphere.
  The Sun also supplies huge amounts of electrons

Re: CSChemtrails are global nanoscience-Colloidal silver/colloidal gold

[Marshall Dudley]

Marshall Dudley wrote:

 Matt, do you know the guy that wrote this?  His name is Jim Phelps and in the
 document he said he works (worked?) at ORNL.

 Marshall

 T.J.Garland wrote:

I apologize for this. That was intended to be sent to a friend that works at 
ORNL,
but somehow it went back to the list.

Marshall


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CSRe: ADHD and Colloidal Gold

[Linda Hefferman]

Ingrid here are two links about colloidal gold.  The second link will take you 
to some information about adhd and colloidal gold.  Just type colloidal gold in 
Goggle search or whatever search engine you want to use and you can research a 
lot for yourself.  I have never tried it myself but I had read about it being 
good for adhd.  Hope this is of help to you.
http://www.colloidalgold.com/ 
http://www.purestcolloids.com/adhd.htm
 Good health to you. 
   Linda J. Hefferman
 
 INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET pfsing...@msn.com wrote: yes finally some info on 
colloidal gold. i asked a while ago for info on colloidal gold and colloid 
silver but received nothing. if you happen to know a link to begin my 
investigating that would be a large help. i will begin for now at ask.com - 
Original Message -From: Linda HeffermanSent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:15 
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Re: CSRe: ADHD and Colloidal Gold

[INGRID KROPP-OVERSTREET]

i meant to put colloidal copper. not colloidal silver.  

 i asked a while ago for info on colloidal gold and colloid silver but received 
nothing.

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RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

[Ivan Anderson]

 Hi Andy,
Some might say that the white powder gold is the philosophers stone. Many
powers are attributed to it and its sister elements. The Hermetic treaties
are generally written in a type of code unfortunately, which makes it hard
to take them at face value.

It is said that the ancient Egyptians knew the secret, and the furnaces on
the mount where the bread of life was baked, as found in the bible, were
involved in synthesising the powder.

I have heard it said that distilling colloidal silver causes the ORMUS
silver element to pass with the distillate.

Heady stuff, and something I would like to devote a little time to, if ever
I have a spare moment.

Regards
Ivan


Hi Ivan,

Are the byproducts of the Philosopher's Stone what you were referring to?

snip the white powder which transmutes the white metals to fine silver;
the red elixir with which gold is made; the white elixir which also makes
silver, and which procures long life-it is also called the 'white daughter
of the philosophers'. 

Treaties on Philosophical and Hermetic Chemistry
Paris - 1725

The above publication has detailed instructions for making The Elixir of
Life. The earliest reference I have found is from Zosimus at the beginning
of the fifth century but unfortunately, I don't have that transcript. I
think that one would cost the long buck. (^_^)

Best wishes,
Andy

RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

[AScottSilver]

From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

My take on the question.

Colloidal gold and colloidal silver are two different fruit and cannot
be compared.
snip
 
 However, do not confuse colloidal gold with a solution for the soul
 and quote ancient passages (as some places do) which in fact refer to
 the White Powder Gold or Bread of Life or Mana (monoatomic or ORMUS).
 White Gold is a very elusive substance, and was the goal of ancient
 and modern day alchemists, and does indeed have powers that effect the
 'soul'.
 
 Ivan.
 
Hi Ivan,

Are the byproducts of the Philosopher's Stone what you were referring to? 

snip the white powder which transmutes the white metals to fine silver; 
the red elixir with which gold is made; the white elixir which also makes 
silver, and which procures long life-it is also called the 'white daughter of 
the philosophers'. 

Treaties on Philosophical and Hermetic Chemistry
Paris - 1725

The above publication has detailed instructions for making The Elixir of 
Life. The earliest reference I have found is from Zosimus at the beginning 
of the fifth century but unfortunately, I don't have that transcript. I think 
that one would cost the long buck. (^_^) 

Best wishes,
Andy

RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

[Ivan Anderson]

My take on the question.

Colloidal gold and colloidal silver are two different fruit and cannot
be compared. Silver is an antimicrobial first and foremost, with the
ability to cause tissue regeneration if used correctly.

Gold's major uses is as an arthritic treatment. Gold salts have been
traditionally used, but come with side effects, whereas true gold
colloids do not seem to bring this downside.
There is some research which suggests some increase in cognitive
abilities, at a dose of 30mg per day (which is a litre of 30ppm
colloidal gold).
As an antidepressant... I guess this is possible (although perhaps
subjective) but as Lithium has this ability it is not out of the
question.
However, do not confuse colloidal gold with a solution for the soul
and quote ancient passages (as some places do) which in fact refer to
the White Powder Gold or Bread of Life or Mana (monoatomic or ORMUS).
White Gold is a very elusive substance, and was the goal of ancient
and modern day alchemists, and does indeed have powers that effect the
'soul'.

Ivan.


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From: Jan Bolen [mailto:juri...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:59 p.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold


Dear list,
Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the
discussion about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say
anything about the advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words,
why would someone want to make and take colloidal gold over colloidal
silver - would it be better? Would it have different effects?Just
curious.
I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn
off when I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and
buy a generator.
I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't
want to legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind
of person and I think people should make their own decisions - good or
bad - on what they ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means,
give them the information, but then, let them alone!
Jan Bolen






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RE: CSRe: Colloidal Gold

[Ivan Anderson]

Colloidal gold, like all true metallic colloids, changes colour with
changing particle size.

Yellow at 13nm
Red/Orange at 15nm
Red at 30nm
Wine Red at 30 - 40nm
Violet at 50nm
Blue at 70nm

For further info see the Mie Theory of light scattering and
extinction.

Regards
Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: brian...@hotmail.com [mailto:brian...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 2:37 p.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Gold


 I believe CG's colour should be pale purple through red and
 then to deep
 blue with increasing gold concentration. I don't know if
 particle size would
 effect the concentration.

 One method that's used to produce CG is an underwater high
 voltage arc
 between gold electrodes seperated by about 1/4. A neon
 sign transformer
 typically is used as it has the characteristic of being
 effectively current
 limited and able to produce enough voltage to keep the arc
 sustained.
 Commercial neon sign transformer are limited in the range
 of 20 to 120mA,
 with the most common units being 30 mA. It has been
 mentioned to me that
 15Kv (15 thousand volt) neon sign transformer with 60mA
 capacity is what
 gives good results. These neon sign transformers have an
 alternating (AC)
 output. The high voltage (15Kv) would, I assume, start the
 arc, and then the
 neon sign transformer will adjust output voltage to some
 lower voltage to
 keep it's current limited output going through the arc.
 Electrode spacing
 apparently has some effect on current as well. In a
 previous post, it was
 said that keeping the gold electrodes small was required to
 sustain the arc.
 I believe, the arc, in effect, releases colloidal gold
 particles.  This
 method also uses distilled water that's  cooled and kept in
 motion during
 the process; a bit different than the process described by akaJhon.

 BTW, I've received many responses to my query about
 creation of a colloidal
 gold discussion grup. They are all encouraging me to setup
 this list, so
 I'll proceed. It's been suggested by several that
 moderation is essential
 for such a group for various reasons. More details to follow.

 Thanks!
 Brian.


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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[Marshall Dudley]

akaJhon wrote:

 My understanding is as follows,,,

 high currant/amps. for making CG,
 24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
 uses baking soda for CG only
 one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading with
 bking soda)
 Water heated to 190 degrees F.
 One hour running for 10 ppm
 2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
 silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
 has switch for silver/gold..

Interesting. So the NaHCO3 splits up into NaOH and  CO2. How much baking soda do
you add?  I don't think any of us have tried producting CG with baking soda, so
that is likely the big difference although I don't understand why it would.

Marshall



   I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I am in
 very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental wise..

 Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
 BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..

 aka Jhon

 The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no conspiracies!
 ~

 | Hi John,
 |
 | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If so,
 | would you care to share?
 |
 | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to make a
 | batch and the batch volume?
 |
 | Do you heat the water?  How much?
 |
 | Notice any physical or mental effects?
 |
 | Thanks for answering.
 |
 |
 |  I have bought this gold gen...
 | 
 | 
 |  http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
 | 
 | 
 |

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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[Marshall Dudley]

From my understanding the easiest way to tell CS from CG is the color.
Yellow/Gold for CS and pink/red/violet for CG.  I DOES sound like CS to me.

Marshall

Trem wrote:

 Hmm.  Sounds like it's agglomerated CS from the color.  Never heard of
 CG turning that color.
 Ivan...Marshall...anybody...what do you suppose?

 And that reading on the DIST 1 sounds really high doesn't it?

 I'm looking forward to hearing what the voltage/current readings are.
 Thanks for taking the time and effort to give us some data.

 Trem

 - Original Message -
 From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

No specs on voltage,,can test it tomorrow,,
  color on the 2 month old  is a very pale gold,,
  reads 190 on the Dist 1 scale,,
  am taking Brent at his word about the ppm..
  laser dead,,can get new batteries tomorrow for 'sparkle effect'..
 
 
  - Original Message -
  Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
 
 
  | Hi John,
  |
  | Thanks for the feedback.  Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage and
  | current.  It's sort of like saying how high is up.  So, guess you
 don't
  | know the voltage or currentcorrect?  Does the unit have specs. that
  | might tell?  I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure
  itcorrect?
  |
  | What color does it come out?
  |
  | If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at
 the
  | end?  110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours?  Or something different?
  I'm
  | trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG.  Or are you told it
  will
  | be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith?
  |
  | Yep, I knew you were a customer.  Looked your first name up in our
  database.
  | It's not in your email address.
  |
  |
  | Trem
  |
  |
  | - Original Message -
  | From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
  | To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  | Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM
  | Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
  |
  |
  |  My understanding is as follows,,,
  | 
  |  high currant/amps. for making CG,
  |  24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
  |  uses baking soda for CG only
  |  one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading
  with
  |  bking soda)
  |  Water heated to 190 degrees F.
  |  One hour running for 10 ppm
  |  2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
  |  silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
  |  has switch for silver/gold..
  | 
  |I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I
 am
  in
  |  very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental
 wise..
  | 
  |  Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
  |  BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..
  | 
  |  aka Jhon
  | 
  |  The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no
  | conspiracies!
  |  ~
  | 
  | 
  | 
  | 
  | 
  |  | Hi John,
  |  |
  |  | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If
  so,
  |  | would you care to share?
  |  |
  |  | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to
  make
  | a
  |  | batch and the batch volume?
  |  |
  |  | Do you heat the water?  How much?
  |  |
  |  | Notice any physical or mental effects?
  |  |
  |  | Thanks for answering.
  |  |
  |  |
  |  |  I have bought this gold gen...
  |  | 
  |  | 
  |  | 
 http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
  |  | 
  |  | 
  |  |
  | 
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CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[GAllen4296]

On 11/21 Ivan wrote: :Gold colloids...cannot be made by the LVDC method.  
Ivan also wrote that what LVDC produces is gold ions and there is some info 
that suggests ingestion of gold ions is not safe. 

On 11/21 Jannette wrote that the color of her gold product, using a Utopia 
silver PS50 ranges from clear to pale violet to ruby violet.  Judging from 
the time required -- 5-71/2 hour -- it appears the PS50 was running LVDC.

My understanding is that ions do not produce color, only particles can. 
So it appears that Jannette is producing a colloid?

Earlier Marshalee wrote that gold had relieved her of what she described as 
a suicidal depression.

Judging from the many postings and the proposed establishment of a separate 
gold list, there is high interest in colloidal gold. But before proceeding 
further, I believe it would help if we could clear up the apparent 
contradiction between Ivan's perspective and Jannette's experience. 

Ivan, could you supply citations for your characterization of the ingestion 
of gold ions as not safe?  You also stated on 11/21 ...gold is most stable 
as the Au+++cation, and therefore requires three times the charge and three 
times the time, compared to silver.  Do you mean that using this procedure 
would produce a gold colloid or only ions?

Jannette, it would be helpful if you could add some details about your 
production procedure -- what voltage, what current to produce what color?

Marshalee, did you buy your gold or make it yourself?  If you made it 
yourself, what color was it? What protocol did you follow and for how long 
before the benefits appeared?  Any side effects?

I believe the answers would be helpful to us all to get a better 
understanding of what gold can or cannot do.

George Allen

RE: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[Kat Rollins]

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold



On 11/21 Ivan wrote: :Gold colloids...cannot be made by the LVDC method.
Ivan also wrote that what LVDC produces is gold ions and there is some info
that suggests ingestion of gold ions is not safe.

On 11/21 Jannette wrote that the color of her gold product, using a Utopia
silver PS50 ranges from clear to pale violet to ruby violet.  Judging from
the time required -- 5-71/2 hour -- it appears the PS50 was running LVDC.

My understanding is that ions do not produce color, only particles can.
So it appears that Jannette is producing a colloid?

Earlier Marshalee wrote that gold had relieved her of what she described as
a suicidal depression.

Judging from the many postings and the proposed establishment of a separate
gold list, there is high interest in colloidal gold. But before proceeding
further, I believe it would help if we could clear up the apparent
contradiction between Ivan's perspective and Jannette's experience.

Ivan, could you supply citations for your characterization of the ingestion
of gold ions as not safe?  You also stated on 11/21 ...gold is most stable
as the Au+++cation, and therefore requires three times the charge and three
times the time, compared to silver.  Do you mean that using this procedure
would produce a gold colloid or only ions?

Jannette, it would be helpful if you could add some details about your
production procedure -- what voltage, what current to produce what color?

Marshalee, did you buy your gold or make it yourself?  If you made it
yourself, what color was it? What protocol did you follow and for how long
before the benefits appeared?  Any side effects?

I believe the answers would be helpful to us all to get a better
understanding of what gold can or cannot do.

George Allen

CSFw: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[akaJhon]

  Trem etc,,
Laser says lots of sparkles,,
and if my voltmeter is set correctly
and I am reading it right,,says 1,000 volts DC..





- Original Message -
From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


|   No specs on voltage,,can test it tomorrow,,
| color on the 2 month old  is a very pale gold,,
| reads 190 on the Dist 1 scale,,
| am taking Brent at his word about the ppm..
| laser dead,,can get new batteries tomorrow for 'sparkle effect'..
|
|
| - Original Message -
| Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
|
|
| | Hi John,
| |
| | Thanks for the feedback.  Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage and
| | current.  It's sort of like saying how high is up.  So, guess you
don't
| | know the voltage or currentcorrect?  Does the unit have specs. that
| | might tell?  I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure
| itcorrect?
| |
| | What color does it come out?
| |
| | If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at
the
| | end?  110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours?  Or something different?
| I'm
| | trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG.  Or are you told it
| will
| | be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith?
| |
| | Yep, I knew you were a customer.  Looked your first name up in our
| database.
| | It's not in your email address.
| |
| |
| | Trem
| |
| |
| | - Original Message -
| | From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
| | To: silver-list@eskimo.com
| | Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM
| | Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
| |
| |
| |  My understanding is as follows,,,
| | 
| |  high currant/amps. for making CG,
| |  24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
| |  uses baking soda for CG only
| |  one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading
| with
| |  bking soda)
| |  Water heated to 190 degrees F.
| |  One hour running for 10 ppm
| |  2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
| |  silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
| |  has switch for silver/gold..
| | 
| |I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I
am
| in
| |  very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental
wise..
| | 
| |  Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
| |  BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..
| | 
| |  aka Jhon
| | 
| |  The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no
| | conspiracies!
| |  ~
| | 
| | 
| | 
| | 
| | 
| |  | Hi John,
| |  |
| |  | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If
| so,
| |  | would you care to share?
| |  |
| |  | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to
| make
| | a
| |  | batch and the batch volume?
| |  |
| |  | Do you heat the water?  How much?
| |  |
| |  | Notice any physical or mental effects?
| |  |
| |  | Thanks for answering.
| |  |
| |  |
| |  |  I have bought this gold gen...
| |  | 
| |  | 
| |  | 
http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
| |  | 
| |  | 
| |  |
| | 
| | 
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silver.
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|

CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

[Jan Bolen]

Dear list,

Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the discussion 
about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say anything about the 
advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words, why would someone want to 
make and take colloidal gold over colloidal silver - would it be better? Would 
it have different effects?Just curious. 

I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn off when 
I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and buy a generator.

I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't want to 
legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind of person and I 
think people should make their own decisions - good or bad - on what they 
ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means, give them the information, 
but then, let them alone!

Jan Bolen



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CSRe: Colloidal Gold

[brian_gr]

I believe CG's colour should be pale purple through red and then to deep
blue with increasing gold concentration. I don't know if particle size would
effect the concentration.

One method that's used to produce CG is an underwater high voltage arc
between gold electrodes seperated by about 1/4. A neon sign transformer
typically is used as it has the characteristic of being effectively current
limited and able to produce enough voltage to keep the arc sustained.
Commercial neon sign transformer are limited in the range of 20 to 120mA,
with the most common units being 30 mA. It has been mentioned to me that
15Kv (15 thousand volt) neon sign transformer with 60mA capacity is what
gives good results. These neon sign transformers have an alternating (AC)
output. The high voltage (15Kv) would, I assume, start the arc, and then the
neon sign transformer will adjust output voltage to some lower voltage to
keep it's current limited output going through the arc. Electrode spacing
apparently has some effect on current as well. In a previous post, it was
said that keeping the gold electrodes small was required to sustain the arc.
I believe, the arc, in effect, releases colloidal gold particles.  This
method also uses distilled water that's  cooled and kept in motion during
the process; a bit different than the process described by akaJhon.

BTW, I've received many responses to my query about creation of a colloidal
gold discussion grup. They are all encouraging me to setup this list, so
I'll proceed. It's been suggested by several that moderation is essential
for such a group for various reasons. More details to follow.

Thanks!
Brian.
- Original Message -
From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: CSFw: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


   Trem etc,,
 Laser says lots of sparkles,,
 and if my voltmeter is set correctly
 and I am reading it right,,says 1,000 volts DC..





 - Original Message -
 From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


 |   No specs on voltage,,can test it tomorrow,,
 | color on the 2 month old  is a very pale gold,,
 | reads 190 on the Dist 1 scale,,
 | am taking Brent at his word about the ppm..
 | laser dead,,can get new batteries tomorrow for 'sparkle effect'..
 |
 |
 | - Original Message -
 | Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
 |
 |
 | | Hi John,
 | |
 | | Thanks for the feedback.  Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage
and
 | | current.  It's sort of like saying how high is up.  So, guess you
 don't
 | | know the voltage or currentcorrect?  Does the unit have specs.
that
 | | might tell?  I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure
 | itcorrect?
 | |
 | | What color does it come out?
 | |
 | | If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at
 the
 | | end?  110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours?  Or something
different?
 | I'm
 | | trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG.  Or are you told
it
 | will
 | | be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith?
 | |
 | | Yep, I knew you were a customer.  Looked your first name up in our
 | database.
 | | It's not in your email address.
 | |
 | |
 | | Trem
 | |
 | |
 | | - Original Message -
 | | From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
 | | To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 | | Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM
 | | Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
 | |
 | |
 | |  My understanding is as follows,,,
 | | 
 | |  high currant/amps. for making CG,
 | |  24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
 | |  uses baking soda for CG only
 | |  one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading
 | with
 | |  bking soda)
 | |  Water heated to 190 degrees F.
 | |  One hour running for 10 ppm
 | |  2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
 | |  silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
 | |  has switch for silver/gold..
 | | 
 | |I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I
 am
 | in
 | |  very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental
 wise..
 | | 
 | |  Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
 | |  BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..
 | | 
 | |  aka Jhon
 | | 
 | |  The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no
 | | conspiracies!
 | |  ~
 | | 
 | | 
 | | 
 | | 
 | | 
 | |  | Hi John,
 | |  |
 | |  | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?
If
 | so,
 | |  | would you care to share?
 | |  |
 | |  | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to
 | make
 | | a
 | |  | batch and the batch volume?
 | |  |
 | |  | Do you heat the water?  How much?
 | |  |
 | |  | Notice any physical or mental effects?
 | |  |
 | |  | Thanks for answering.
 | |  |
 | |  |
 | |  |  I have bought this gold gen...
 | |  | 
 | |  | 
 | |  | 
 http://colloidalsilvergens.com

Re: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold/reply

[mars larz]

 
 Jan Bolen juri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear list,

Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the discussion 
about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say anything about the 
advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words, why would someone want to 
make and take colloidal gold over colloidal silver - would it be better? Would 
it have different effects?Just curious. 

I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn off when 
I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and buy a generator.

I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't want to 
legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind of person and I 
think people should make their own decisions - good or bad - on what they 
ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means, give them the information, 
but then, let them alone!

Jan Bolen

i'm with you pal i buy my (cs) also.( way too technical for  me to put 
together)  if you go to a site called utopiasilver.com you will find more 
info(they sell colloidal gold)  from what i read about it colloidal gold  has 
more to do with making you feel better mentally  as opposed to physical 
conditions that (cs) takes care of.   you can take both (cs) and (cg) together.



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Re: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold/reply

[mars larz]

 
 Jan Bolen juri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear list,

Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the discussion 
about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say anything about the 
advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words, why would someone want to 
make and take colloidal gold over colloidal silver - would it be better? Would 
it have different effects?Just curious. 

I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn off when 
I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and buy a generator.

I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't want to 
legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind of person and I 
think people should make their own decisions - good or bad - on what they 
ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means, give them the information, 
but then, let them alone!

Jan Bolen

i'm with you pal i buy my (cs) also.( way too technical for  me to put 
together)  if you go to a site called utopiasilver.com you will find more 
info(they sell colloidal gold)  from what i read about it colloidal gold  has 
more to do with making you feel better mentally  as opposed to physical 
conditions that (cs) takes care of.   you can take both (cs) and (cg) together.



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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[Trem]

Hi John,

Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If so,
would you care to share?

What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to make a
batch and the batch volume?

Do you heat the water?  How much?

Notice any physical or mental effects?

Thanks for answering.

Trem

- Original Message -
From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


 I have bought this gold gen...


 http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm


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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[akaJhon]

My understanding is as follows,,,

high currant/amps. for making CG,
24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
uses baking soda for CG only
one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading with
bking soda)
Water heated to 190 degrees F.
One hour running for 10 ppm
2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
has switch for silver/gold..

  I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I am in
very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental wise..

Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..

aka Jhon

The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no conspiracies!
~





| Hi John,
|
| Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If so,
| would you care to share?
|
| What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to make a
| batch and the batch volume?
|
| Do you heat the water?  How much?
|
| Notice any physical or mental effects?
|
| Thanks for answering.
|
|
|  I have bought this gold gen...
| 
| 
|  http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
| 
| 
|


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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[Trem]

Hi John,

Thanks for the feedback.  Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage and
current.  It's sort of like saying how high is up.  So, guess you don't
know the voltage or currentcorrect?  Does the unit have specs. that
might tell?  I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure itcorrect?

What color does it come out?

If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at the
end?  110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours?  Or something different?  I'm
trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG.  Or are you told it will
be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith?

Yep, I knew you were a customer.  Looked your first name up in our database.
It's not in your email address.


Trem


- Original Message -
From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


 My understanding is as follows,,,

 high currant/amps. for making CG,
 24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
 uses baking soda for CG only
 one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading with
 bking soda)
 Water heated to 190 degrees F.
 One hour running for 10 ppm
 2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
 silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
 has switch for silver/gold..

   I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I am in
 very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental wise..

 Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
 BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..

 aka Jhon

 The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no
conspiracies!
 ~





 | Hi John,
 |
 | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If so,
 | would you care to share?
 |
 | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to make
a
 | batch and the batch volume?
 |
 | Do you heat the water?  How much?
 |
 | Notice any physical or mental effects?
 |
 | Thanks for answering.
 |
 |
 |  I have bought this gold gen...
 | 
 | 
 |  http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
 | 
 | 
 |


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Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold

[akaJhon]

  No specs on voltage,,can test it tomorrow,,
color on the 2 month old  is a very pale gold,,
reads 190 on the Dist 1 scale,,
am taking Brent at his word about the ppm..
laser dead,,can get new batteries tomorrow for 'sparkle effect'..


- Original Message -
Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold


| Hi John,
|
| Thanks for the feedback.  Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage and
| current.  It's sort of like saying how high is up.  So, guess you don't
| know the voltage or currentcorrect?  Does the unit have specs. that
| might tell?  I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure
itcorrect?
|
| What color does it come out?
|
| If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at the
| end?  110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours?  Or something different?
I'm
| trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG.  Or are you told it
will
| be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith?
|
| Yep, I knew you were a customer.  Looked your first name up in our
database.
| It's not in your email address.
|
|
| Trem
|
|
| - Original Message -
| From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com
| To: silver-list@eskimo.com
| Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM
| Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
|
|
|  My understanding is as follows,,,
| 
|  high currant/amps. for making CG,
|  24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,)
|  uses baking soda for CG only
|  one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading
with
|  bking soda)
|  Water heated to 190 degrees F.
|  One hour running for 10 ppm
|  2 hours for 15 ppm etc.
|  silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2
|  has switch for silver/gold..
| 
|I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I  haven't got in the habit,,I am
in
|  very good health so nothing seems to change me health  or mental wise..
| 
|  Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer.
|  BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S..
| 
|  aka Jhon
| 
|  The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no
| conspiracies!
|  ~
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
|  | Hi John,
|  |
|  | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at?  If
so,
|  | would you care to share?
|  |
|  | What color is the CG?  What strength?  Measured with?  How long to
make
| a
|  | batch and the batch volume?
|  |
|  | Do you heat the water?  How much?
|  |
|  | Notice any physical or mental effects?
|  |
|  | Thanks for answering.
|  |
|  |
|  |  I have bought this gold gen...
|  | 
|  | 
|  |  http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
|  | 
|  | 
|  |
| 
| 
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