[RCSE] ACE M*2K
Glider Guiders: I lost some email addresses. Does anyone know who (Ham Tech Lic) can add a Hitec spectra Module to either the ACE MP8K or the new MicroStar2000. Or does anyone sell RF boards on Channel 16 for MicroPro 8000? TIA Jim AMA Life #43 Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Wood Crafters / Builders etc.
Hello Steve: ..which requires a larger degree of skill and technique. This reminds me of two 4th grade school boys, one was from TX and the other from OK, or where... They needed to heed nature's call on a bridge above a river One said ...ain't this water cold..!, the other replied, yea, but I'all dint know h'it was so gosh derned deep.. cheers, Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ace themal sniffer christals
Daniel: I have three complete RTF Don Clark and/or ACE Thermal Snifflers that I am not using. Not sure if you would be interested in the whole item or not? regards, Jim On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:10:31 +, DANIEL FINK wrote: Loking for some ace themal sniffer christals in 27 mhz. Anybody got a spare set for sale of know where to get them? Thanks Loking for some ace themal sniffer christals in 27 mhz. Anybody got a spare set for sale of know where to get them? Thanks Dan Fink Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] getting started in RC soaring
Flyers! (not woodie or moldie) We all fly...!!! While I am a woody builder, primarily, I do have a few molded ships, I truly appreciate the very even handed recent comments by Phil and John. Newbies are what is needed - whether the put together number parts - (I guess the poster meant kits) or un-numbered parts - ARF/moldies; it really doesn't matter. We ALL need to be newbie friendly - not take uncalled for shots at one another, give time and attention to newbies, and sell/give them our no-longer used/outdated molded ships. I built many Citizenship, Heathkit and Ace Silver 7's and I did feel superior to the ARF Tx flyer - but I eventually grew up. If you look at free flight models - they have become almost impossible to buy/build for a typical young free flighter. This happened in the 60's with drag racing and recently in sports car shows. Many winners (Leno) go out and buy a winning car - and with a lot less skill than a ARF woodie or moldie flyer. Designing your ship (woodie/moldie) should not be a novel idea, should it? I think, and my thoughts may be incomplete as well, soaring contests may have the most non-designer flyers than many other NATs RC categories?? 3D might be the exception. Food for thought - but the newbie problem has and will continue to be a major area for the experts to contribute their WARES and knowledge. One thing else - we used to have a very large amount of free kits, etc at local contests to give to the winners Many newbies got updated once or twice a summer by flying well and with lots of luck, placed and won a new state of the art sailplane kit! Just random, incomplete, etc thoughts. Jim On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:43:43 +, Phil Barnes wrote: John raises an excellent topic in his last post. This is an area where the woody guys and I agree. I too have wondered; how does a newbie to RC get into soaring? And especially; how does he get into the kind of soaring competitions that I participate in? I don't have the answer. There are a few guys in our club and nearby clubs who fly woody type airplanes. At our annual CASA Open contest we have even held an RES class to entice them to compete. One problem that arises is that the winches we use now are not well suited for woody type models. A stock Gentle Lady has real trouble lifting 800' of 220lb test line with a retriever line along for the ride. It gets worse if you ask that Gentle Lady to do it without the risk of breaking it's wing. So to even hold an RES class you need to set up a special winch with light line and probably a low power setting. So I guess guys could learn to fly RC with park flyers then transition to inexpensive woody type soaring models. They could start in competition with woody contests which is why I am all in favor of seeing this aspect of competition succeed and grow. A certain percentage of those guys would have the interest and money to transition to composite soaring models. To answer John's question: I think it might be less than 10-20% scratch builders that enter the NATS. The way things are going, it won't be long before it will be hard to find guys who can even put together an ARF model. I don't know what to do about that other than being a resource for that type of information. Certainly the internet makes it easy for people to get the information needed to learn how to scratch build. So there are some random, unconnected, incomplete thoughts. I need to get back to the shop now. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: More Lead myths
Steve: I am not sure you understand your chemistry as well as you flame people. Lead metal is very different than lead compounds - you are talking about lead compounds in paint, which no one on this list is talking about. We are talking about lead metal for ballast. Tetra Ethyl lead, A COMPOUND, was put into gasoline, and so forth. Lead acetate, which tastes very sweet, was put in to some paints as well as white lead oxide. I could not sell my victorian house to a family in PA because the Fed Gov (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac)was going to back the family's loan. Why don't we stop the stupid rationalizations about lead vapors and accept that they in fact are dangerous cheers, Jim On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +, S Meyer wrote: At 04:01 PM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. Wrong Lead is most toxic when ingested. (Wash your hands.) http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm#facts You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. Wrong. I do not know about other states but the Federal, Illinois, and Wisconsin law is that it only needs to be disclosed. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/leaddisclosure.htm Look over information on those pages, it is easy to protect yourself from lead. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: More Lead myths
Steve: I am not sure you understand your chemistry as well as you flame people. Lead metal is very different than lead compounds - you are talking about lead compounds in paint, which no one on this list is talking about. We are talking about lead metal for ballast. Tetra Ethyl lead A COMPOUND was put into gasoline, and so forth. Lead acetate, which tastes very sweet, was put in to some paints as well as white lead oxide. I could not sell my victorian house to a family in PA because the Fed Gov (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac)was going to back the family's loan. Why don't we stop the stupid rationalizations about lead vapors and accept that they in fact are dangerous cheers, Jim On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +, S Meyer wrote: At 04:01 PM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. Wrong Lead is most toxic when ingested. (Wash your hands.) http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm#facts You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. Wrong. I do not know about other states but the Federal, Illinois, and Wisconsin law is that it only needs to be disclosed. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/leaddisclosure.htm Look over information on those pages, it is easy to protect yourself from lead. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] casting lead
Hello: As you will hear from others, lead fumes are really bad news. If you must, do it only outdoors and that is not fair to your neighbors, etc. A much better way to do this if you must, is to take a piece of brass or aluminum tubing the same size as the stick of butter you want. Fill the tube with the very smallest sized lead shot (#9 bird shot) you can buy at a hunting store - 25 pound bags: ca. $13- $18. Place a thick layer of 5 min epoxy on one end. Let it set up, turn the tube over and place a another layer of epoxy on the other end. You can latter remove (or add) some of the shot by drilling a hole in the side of the tube to let it drain out into a container. Close with tape. There are other metals that can be uses, tungsten for one, but more expensive than lead. I've used this method for nose weight, fill the nose with the amount of lead shot you need, coat with a thick layer of epoxy, STOPS any harmful vapors. Drill a hole for changing amount, close hole with 1/4 inch button nylon bolt. regards, Jim On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:04:55 +, Robert Samuels wrote: I want to cast some lead for ballast into a shape resembling a stick of butter. I have the lead and a torch that puts out enough heat to melt the lead but I don't have a ladle nor a mold. I prefer not to spend much (if any) money for these items as it will be a one time project. Does anyone know what I can use to melt lead in and how to construct a one time mold (cheaply)? Robert Samuels ... St. Louis _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] casting lead
Hello: Thanks for mentioning that wet sand and hot lead are no fun I could not believe the use of wet sand - go to foundry and see if they use wet sand when they pour steel HOWEVER: No, we are not hallucinating -- no lead gasoline is a real reaction to the number of children who are mentally retarded because of lead fumes. You DO NOT have to BOIL lead to have vapors! It is called vapor pressure. Ice has vapor pressure, not just liquid warter, Hell that's called humidity! So do solid and liquid lead. Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. I am not anymore happy with the Safety Police and OSHA then the next chemist - they ruined most of my fun experiments and research - but lead is really bad for little kids. You can check all of my gentle claims on any lead website, gov regulations, etc. regards, Jim On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:55:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My God, are you guys hallucinating? Calm down and take a deep breath! Sure lead is toxic if you get it into the body but dangerous fumes are only produced if you boil it. We are just melting amounts under 10 pounds here! I read about encapsulating it in epoxy and that is fine but you guys are making it sound like you can get poisoned by bad air or something. The bad air comes from the epoxy! This isn't a religion and it's not something evil, it's just another useful metal for people with a smidgen of common sense to use. After all, we are not eating it or sticking our nose in the pot, are we? It is probably less dangerous than the results of your last burrito in a closed vehicle and certainly less dangerous than the mercury amalgam fillings in your teeth. So don't eat it, lick it and please wash your hands before you smoke that cigar and you and your neighbors will be perfectly safe. Millions of lead bullet casters have been doing this for ages in perfect safety. It's just another useful tool we use if the proper precautions are taken. Incidentally, there is one major risk to be watchful of. No moisture should EVER come in contact with the molten lead. One small drop of sweat from your brow falls into the pot it will demonstrate just how powerful a steam explosion can be as it plates you and your surrounding area with lead foil. We were wearing safety glasses, weren't we? Contrary to some reports I've read, unless you are melting an iron bathtub full for the keel of your sailboat, it is seldom more that a real eye-opener and very messy. It's happens way too fast to blink and the foil sticks to everything like spray paint. So, know your limitations and use some common sense and you should be fine. Nobody is forced to play with it if they don't want to but a little intelligent thought is a useful commodity, hearsay and old wives tales are not. Dennis in NH and yes I have been tested for lead in my system and no there is none. Hello: As you will hear from others, lead fumes are really bad news. If you must, do it only outdoors and that is not fair to your neighbors, etc. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gull wing sheeting with ply
Scott and Tim: The Bowlus molds were supposedly of concrete for the plywood body (kit version). I am not sure if the same huge concrete molds were used for the fiberglass version. Several years ago in the Bungee Cord, VSA newletter, someone remarked that these molds were abandomed under a freeway overpass not far from the old Bowlus plant. Urban Rumor? regards, Jim On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:04:54 +, Tim Bennett wrote: Scott, I was going through old posts this morning and found yours. There has been no response so I am offering my knowlege in answer to the how did they do it in full scale question. On a visit to the Spruce Goose Museum in Long Beach several years ago I saw an extensive photographic display that explained the plywood technology employed in that aircraft that was supposedly the state of the art at the time of the Spruce Goose project. I think the British Lancaster Bomber was built in a similar manner. What they did was build steel male and female mold sets in the shape of the curved parts they needed. Wood veneers were steamed and glued then laid up in the molds cross grain in multiple layers. This was cured under steam heat and pressure until the glue set. A smooth curved part was removed from the mold ready to be trimmed and fastened to the framework of the structure. The trick is that the wood was not plywood until after the curve was established. They had photos of parts that appeared to be about 1/2 inch or less thick with people standing on the high point of the curve with little appearant deflection. These things were very stiff and strong. I hope this helps. Tim Bennett - Original Message - From: Scott Hinckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: [RCSE] Gull wing sheeting with ply I have several 1/4 scale plans for 1930's sailplanes with gull wings. Some have a sharp line (no curve) in the spar between the sections, and at least one has a nicely laminated curved spar transitioning between the sections. I have read that the curved transition is most correct. The wings are generally sheeted with .4mm (1/64) ply, which doesn't allow enough thickness for blending after sheeting. What is the technique for sheeting a curved transition with 1/64 ply? It seems that it would not conform easily to the compound curve. How did they do it on the full size wood sailplanes? Scott Hinckley __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank:
I still have the fuse from many years ago and I have set up a standard stick
wing. Hope to fly it at WC '06 or '07. I found a good set of info on the ASW
20CLX - extended wing with winglets. I am using Dr Drela's BD wing platform
for the wings, 3/16,5/32, and 1/8 hard balsa ribs (Lofted with Compufoil)
with 3/16 ply ribs at selected locations, full spar width vertical webbing, and
layered carbon spars. Cap rib side of LE with carbon and bottom of the TE.
Aileron sub spars generously capped with carbon. Carbon wing rod and tubes. By
the time you have the correct sized obechii, a proper spar built, and proper
vacuum bagging set up, etc, the ribs can be cut and the wing laid up RTC. IMHO
Happy building
Jim
PS:laying up and vacuum bagging those long wings could be a nightmare!
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:31 +, Frank Deichsel wrote:
Thanks George, yes I have thought about that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are designed for. I have never
cut cores but I know that the thickness of the intended sheeting is considered
(deducted) so that after sheeting the desired airfoil shape is achieved. Or
does a millimeter more or less not matter that much? It's an older airfoil
anyway, FX60-126 if I remember correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From: George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, I'm not familiar with this particular plane but I'd agree with you.
The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless
you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
--
From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM
To: RCSE posting
Subject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher
Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what
thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no
success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what
I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by
Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is
roughly twice as thick.
Any info would be appreciated!
Frank
v\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
o\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
w\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
.shape {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
Thanks George, yes I have thought about
that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are
designed for. I have never cut cores but I know that the thickness of the
intended sheeting is considered (deducted) so that after sheeting the desired
airfoil shape is achieved. Or does a millimeter more or less not matter that
much? It's an older airfoil anyway, FX60-126 if I remember
correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From:
George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10
AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream
Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, Im not
familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi
we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you
have
a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
From: Frank
Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15
PMTo: RCSE
postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3
ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info
Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3
scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there
are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing
cores
are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for
sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too
thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in
Germany in the same size which is
sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as
thick.
Any info would be
appreciated!
Frank
Jim Ealy
Education by Demonstration
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and
unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally
Re: [RCSE] Lookout Florida, there's a Giant coming your way Dec 18th:-)
Hello guys: There is NIB Sagitta 900 for sale on EBay #6016830153, 2nd bid is only $81. Last week one went for $221. TIA JIm Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lancaster Hobby Shop
Hi Guys: Anyone on the list know where the hobby shop that is going out of business in Lancaster PA is located? And if you do, is it worth a trip to buy items? TIA Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hobie Hawk wing rod
Hello: I have been on the lookout for an extra Hobie fuse for my set of 10ft wings for a long time. Found one on EBay - got it all cleaned up, painted, new canopy, etc I got the wings out and the wing rod UHHG - the brass insert in fuse is about 3/64 too small. I do not think that my present fuse is standard - for whatever that means. Questions: 1) Should I ream out fuse and insert a new brass tube to fit normal hobie wing rod. 2) Should I insert brass tubes in wings tubes to reduce the ID to the fuse's ID and buy a new wing rod. I made a larger set of stabs and rudder back in 70's - grey foam/1/64 ply, etc.,look just like originals, but it means a lot of field work to change wings. The 10 footers fly much better with a larger rudder and stabs. I do not want to lose these wings. TIA, Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] bad chatter problem fulll scale
Guys I know that several guys on this list a full scale jet jocks.so Yesterday descending from 35K - the pilot did not deploy the spoilers, but rather extended the LE slot and the flaps were 20+ degrees with a healthy nose down attitude. At that time a very loud medium freq vibration started. Very different from spoiler noise. Dropped 15K retracted LE and flaps - noise decrease with retraction. I cannot believe that those vibrations would not cause metal wear of metal fatigue. Has anyone noticed this? I stopped at cockpit and asked pilot - he just gave me the dog-whistle look... TIA Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Hey Guys: Since the thread seems to have turned to impractical soaring transportation, how about a 1972 Triumph Stag with a slush box? 2-m joined wing and high start will fit. Bet you've not seen one of those at a soaring field! still feel the Vanagon is the most pratical AND coolest Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate soaring car?
Hey... You missed the best one!!! The VW Vangon!!! Room for many, many planes and sleeping beside. Gas stove and frig. Great mileage, clearance, fast - 75 with ease. Cool beside - this is my fifth - has 284K on it = goes back almost to the microbus - even one psycodelic paint job. wy cooler than the ones you listed cheers Jim On Mon, 02 May 2005 10:22:16 +, Jim Laurel wrote: So, the discussion about the suitability of Corvettes for hauling sailplanes got me to thinking more about my next choice of vehicle. It should have the following attributes: 1) Space to haul 2 unlimited planes and a 2 meter plane + winch, toolbox, 1 Optima battery, turnaround, radio cases + at least 1, preferably 2 passengers 2) Fast and comfortable for those long hauls to away contests 3) Reasonable fuel economy (20-21mpg highway minimum) 4) All wheel drive, since here in Washington the passes are often a mess, roads are often wet, and I like to ski after work in the winter. 5) Decent driving dynamics 6) Enough clearance to travel forest service roads to slope sites 7) NOT a minivan Here's my short list: --Volvo XC70 --Audi A6 Avant --Audi S4 Avant (not sure if long enough) --Dodge (Mercedes) short wheelbase Sprinter (no AWD yet, but likely for 2007 model year) --Subaru whatchamacallit wagon I have an old Land Rover 110 that has been a project vehicle for 2 years and is now nearing completion. Size-wise, it's about perfect, but it is slow, lumbering, and eats high octane petrol like there's no tomorrow (curse the DOT and EPA for not getting us decent diesel fuel sooner; I'd love to have a nice 300 Tdi rather than the V8). Plus, the HVAC system is useless - pretty much windows up or down. In the plus column, however, it will get you to any slope site you like and then some. It's also got a rooftop tent, which might be nice for those 2-day contests. Let's hear some suggestions! --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
Greg: You made a big mistake I am the one who is getting flamed for saying that copying plans is stealing!!! Two of the RCSE's biggest posters have both given me grief for complaning about several guys from FL with several Ebay accounts and 1000's of combined sales of plans. When Ebay contacts them they just start up a new account. I have a number of plans that have been copied and sold on Ebay. One suggested that I should be flattered! Please get your facts correct beforebrain in gear before foot in mouth.! cheers, Jim Ealy PS:Hope your week is better from here on! On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:18:26 +, fly1milehi wrote: Jim I STRONGLY disagree with your argument that its basically okay to copy plans and designs that are copyrighted materials!!! I can garauntee you that if you copy plans, artwork, text, (ie. right click and save it to your hard drive, then use the same material to advance your personal wealth that you have broken a federal law! Its just that simple, its not whether you really do much damage. IT's IF YOU DO ANY DAMAGE! How about if you copy a helicopter blade. buy a new set, mold your own and then sell reproductions from you molds? Gee do you think because you might only sell a dozen or so that its okay? How about the same helicopter blade example but this time your not hurting anyone copy comes apart on someones heli in flight and I dont know lets say... KILLS someone!!! Hope you're not attached to your home/business/life insurance/inheiritance/life savings because I can assure you if it was me I would be looking you up!!! Get a clue!. Copying is the same as STEALING!! If it isnt yours, its not yours to sell to your friends and give to your neighbors!!! Remember NAPSTER? SoapBox YES! Personal vendetta against you NO! Just needs to be pointed out that im not hurting anything by cheating a big company out of a sale is STEALING Greg -- fly1milehi fly1milehi's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=47296 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=331663 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wrong person
Jim I STRONGLY disagree with your argument that its basically okay to copy plans and designs that are copyrighted materials!!! I can garauntee you that if you copy plans, artwork, text, (ie. right click and save it to your hard drive, then use the same material to advance your personal wealth that you have broken a federal law! Its just that simple, its not whether you really do much damage. IT's IF YOU DO ANY DAMAGE! How about if you copy a helicopter blade. buy a new set, mold your own and then sell reproductions from you molds? Gee do you think because you might only sell a dozen or so that its okay? How about the same helicopter blade example but this time your not hurting anyone copy comes apart on someones heli in flight and I dont know lets say... KILLS someone!!! Hope you're not attached to your home/business/life insurance/inheiritance/life savings because I can assure you if it was me I would be looking you up!!! Get a clue!. Copying is the same as STEALING!! If it isnt yours, its not yours to sell to your friends and give to your neighbors!!! Remember NAPSTER? SoapBox YES! Personal vendetta against you NO! Just needs to be pointed out that im not hurting anything by cheating a big company out of a sale is STEALING Greg fly1milehi Greg: You made a big mistake I am the one who is getting flamed for saying that copying plans is stealing!!! Two of the RCSE's biggest posters have both given me grief for complaning about several guys from FL with several Ebay accounts and 1000's of combined sales of plans. When Ebay contacts them they just start up a new account. I have a number of plans that have been copied and sold on Ebay. One suggested that I should be flattered! Please get your facts correctbrain in gear before foot in mouth.! cheers, Jim Ealy PS:Hope your week is better from here on! Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
Hi Simon: I do not agree with most of your points and we can agree to disagree. I am in academia and we have a different view of plagerism. I can assure you that cheating in university classes is more rampant in the last twenty years than it was 20 years before that. I am certain that the very many CEO's who cheated stockholders learned that they could get away with it because other had a who cares attitude - not im my back yard. I can cite peer reviewed papers for you to read about increased cheating. To be sure, many modelers have agreed with me than the two who disagreed that cloning Don Clark's device in his day would not have be accepted as you so state. I am old fashioned and do believe in Gentleman's agreements. (Hell I taught in British style boarding schools with a handshake with the Headmaster for a contact for more than 30 years.) The devices today are not clones of Don's device! I really do not know what Don would have done/said and I am not sure anyone else does! We just live in different worlds. cheers, Jim On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:33:46 +, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Hi Jim, I respectfully suggest not confusing those who may copy existing designs by way of plans etc with the original intent of this thread. Granted, it may be considered incorrect or downright wrong by some, to copy or worse plagiarize anothers work. The issue of copyright (the validity of which is what we are discussing) is a far cry from corporations whose intent is to maximize continuing profits (in any way-shape-form) from those (us) who are making replicas in artform only. This is what makes this so disgusting...a miniature replica whose relation to the original product is through shape only and stays airborne using similar aerodynamic principles. The design and use criteria for the model and the fullsize version...are totally unrelated. To your point: Someone who copies a plan of mine or process and makes money, I guess I could be ticked if I elected to think the glass was half empty. I should have covered my butt and went through the motions to protect my designs...right? More likely I would be flattered. The fact is it is my choice not yours. The person who copies something like a model aircraft plan? Who is hurt by this? You? The originator? Neither. The market is not large enough, nor is it make or break for the originator whether he/she survives or slides into the ditch. Are the original designer's plans still available from him/her, then the copier is not going to do very well I would suggest. Is this right? Who are you or I to decide on the designer's behalf? If the originator did not like the fact his/her design was copied, they then can (and should) secure the right to act in such a manner to protect their work. This is not new, nor is the premise that today's society is somehow worse than yester-years. Modeler's pride? The very same thing has occured before you were born, in your day, and all days to come. The value of gentlemanly behavior is in the eyes of the beholder. Modern versions of the thermal sniffler are being produced. Is this wrong? Not-at-all. If the glass is half full, Don might have been motivated to introduce another version with more features if anoter version came out similar to his. Either way, it would have been his, and only his decision to criticize if he chose, not yours. Someone who makes money off of someone else's work, who cares but those who choose to buy or...not! Neither is right or wrong. Someone who take another's work and (publically) calls it their own, as in plagiarism, that is wrong. JIM EALY wrote: Colleagues: I have read this thread also with great interest. I was also surprised to read some of the unfair comments about the care and feeding of kit builders or those who support fair play. I've posted on several occasions a request to not buy plans from several EBAYERS who not only pirate MA, MAN, FM, RCM, Bob Holman, John Pond, etc but make multiple copies of plans and the mag article and sell mass copies on Ebay. If the lawyers/modelers want to help the hobby, why not turn your expertise to stopping plans and plans/patterns, short kit cloners. The present copyright law gives the copyright holder life +70 years for heirs to collect royalties. I was told under-no-uncertain terms by one of the respondents who has been rightfully criticized .that I should just be glad that the plans are available..and the cloner was doing me a BIG favor I also wrote earlier about modeler's pride, during the 60-80's no modeler would have considered, or remained a club member, cloning Don Clark's Thermal Sniffler. I am sad to see that this trust has not only disappeared, but the whole idea laughed at. IMHO and TIA for the bandwidth Jim On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:50:24 +, Brian Courtice wrote: Brian, Well said
RE: [RCSE] lawyers and kits: Off topic? Not!
Colleagues: I have read this thread also with great interest. I was also surprised to read some of the unfair comments about the care and feeding of kit builders or those who support fair play. I've posted on several occasions a request to not buy plans from several EBAYERS who not only pirate MA, MAN, FM, RCM, Bob Holman, John Pond, etc but make multiple copies of plans and the mag article and sell mass copies on Ebay. If the lawyers/modelers want to help the hobby, why not turn your expertise to stopping plans and plans/patterns, short kit cloners. The present copyright law gives the copyright holder life +70 years for heirs to collect royalties. I was told under-no-uncertain terms by one of the respondents who has been rightfully criticized .that I should just be glad that the plans are available..and the cloner was doing me a BIG favor I also wrote earlier about modeler's pride, during the 60-80's no modeler would have considered, or remained a club member, cloning Don Clark's Thermal Sniffler. I am sad to see that this trust has not only disappeared, but the whole idea laughed at. IMHO and TIA for the bandwidth Jim On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:50:24 +, Brian Courtice wrote: Brian, Well said, but as I have been told by many wise people, he feeds off of this stuff. Patrick Conway You're probably right Patrick. Ive always believed that if you cant say something nice, dont say anything, so you will very rarely see me posting critical comments. It just really irks me to have Gordy interrupt a thread I was following with considerable interest, just to have him tell me that the thread is spam, and by the way, Im in Tennessee this week and Im having transmission problems. Now thats important! No spam there. My 1999 Ford Ranger needs a brake job. Should I alert the list? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] article
Spencer: About 15 years ago, I started teaching the kinematics portion of a HS physics course by putting a data logger and sensors in a dozen gliders which almost all 40 students learn to fly. They then presented their work to the lower and middle schools science classes. With the Park Flyers it is much easier to do 15 years latter - althought the Park Flyers may not be able to carry the payload - even with the recent micro inovations. It was written up in the FAI International Newsletter. Also in the late 70's and early 80, I taught several summer school courses on building and flying RC models. The biggest knowledge gain was in spatial comprehension by females when building 3-D models from 2-D drawings. Dotted lines had no meaning to them on a plan!! as well as many other drafting illusions. good luck Jim AMA Life Member #43 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:34:53 +, eagle_owl2000 wrote: Hello all, I am considering writing an article that would show how the r/c soaring hobby could be used in schools to facilitate different educational lessons in elementary and secondary schools while sowing interest in r/c soaring among young people. Some of the lessons I was thinking about concern science(gravity, aerodynamics, physics, weather and geography) , mathematics (fractions, algebra, etc) and logical thinking(decision-making processes, goals for flight). But this is by no means a limited list. I was wondering if you folks would like to contribute ideas that also could be used in terms of educational value of r/c soaring. Also, if I might be able to request interviews with several high- profile soaring enthusiasts, that would help me out a lot. Spencer Webster - US Navy Glider Guider - serving in Cuba RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Drela foils == marketing gimmick now?
Stuart: I personally think these advertisements are beneath the soaring group, but it is making a LOT of money for the wrong people. I've asked this group/list members not to support these cloners ah aha! At least two members (below) are probably still laughing at me I have just learn that anyone can clone a brand new plan/kit and there is little or nothing that can/will be done to recoup design time effort, testing, etc. Check the number of cloned plans for sale on ebay that are still available through MAN, MB, MAN, RCM, etc I have been told by a member of this list that I should be grateful they are making the stuff available I was also told by a second member that cloning is just a GREAT big COMPLIMENT!!! I must be living in a different world..many students think that it is OK to do exactly that - since it really isn't hurting anyone, much two bucks profit for a plan and 15 bucks for a kit, etc. Who cares or has the time for chump change This foolishness will only when when these generations get their peers (the 60 Minutes' special last week on cheating) for a lawyer or doctor and not before. Jim On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:22:19 +, Stuart A. Hall wrote: If you check out the various ads and articles in Model Aviation and on the Web you will notice how many of them refer to Drela airfols. It is true that the Bubble Dancer, Allegro and other assorted planes fly quite nicely, but I wonder how much of the airfoil choice is just a marketing gimmick. One extra swipe of the sandpaper by our Czech worker-bee has turned that Drela foiled AVA/Topaz/whatever into some other airfoil. Particularly on these amazing built up RES ships with mylar covering, I wonder how much of the performance is due to the airfoil and how much is due to very light balsa/composite building techniques. Does Dr. Drela get a royalty for the use of his name in advertising? Did/does Dr. Selig? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Drela foils == marketing reference now?
List members I had the distinct pleasure to have known and flown with Don Clark, the inventor of the Thermal Sniffler, yes the l was in the name. Don was an GENTLEMAN in every respect. If anyone asked him a question about or needed repairs, he was all too happy to help. My point is that if anyone cloned Don's Sniffler, he would have been shunned at the field and we would have called him a horse's behind to his face. If he dared to clone and sell, well no one would have timed for him. Unexplained hits? HOWEVER,if he made a significant design change, then Don would have been first in line to congratulate him!!! Significant is the key word, enlarging or reducing in size or Geez, duh, well, I Cadded in a set of push rods and an electric motor! Isnt that significant??? Wow, heres your sign? Maybe Jeff can add it to his Holiday Routine? Jeff: Do you sell other people plans as NOS? Well you must be a soaring TURKEY, Jeff: Do you have boxes of cloned kits on your porch and sell them as NOS? Well . Most of the guys at the field could have easily reverse engineered/cloned Don's sniffler, but we did not: PRIDE comes to mind. Just as **plagiarizing* seems to be all too common place and condoned today, cloning or taking a set of airtronics plans to the Blue Line of your choice and making 50 copies and selling them on the net is plagiarizing. If you dont cheat, you must really be stupid!! These same people seem to feel this if they state opinion as fact and say it loud enough, duh, geez, it must be true and we will all bow down . Happy Holidays Jim Old enough to know better, but what the heck, I like fishin'.. Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Pirated Plans
Hey Guys: I have seen plans for sale on Ebay that at best, are just enlarged copies. These plans come from MAN, MB, MA, FM, RCM. Some were on two pages in the mag and the seller printed them out as one sheet. I would ask that none of use support someone who just enlarges a set of plans and the sells them as his own. I strongly suspect that he does not give a royality to the orginal designer. Any thoughts? Or am I living in a very old fashion virtual world? regards, Jim PS: Are the editors of RCM, MAN, etc aware of this practice? PPS: I can give anyone on this list the name privately - but just do an Ebay search for model airplane plans. His name will be everywhere. His page proudly announces what (little) he does. I think from what I 've seen the names of the original designer, etc are still Proudly displayed on the copies!? Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] keep politics off the exchange
TWIMC I am not sure that we can do (politics) that! Model Rocket jocks already need FAA, etc permission to schedule a meet. Fun flying (legal) doesn't exist for them. And most rocket sites are not close to where a lot of rocket jocks live. I am not sure why anyone would think that glider flying in a few special sites is not going to happen to us?SOONER THAN LATER! We fly too high. We are the RC group that will get hit first.(sorry) I cannot fly at two local power fields who would love to have scale glider pilots. They have a field use provision that states no flights above 500 feet, nothing really to do with AMA. Power guys do spike above 500 - but we play for hours up there. This was also true of 2 NJ power fields near Princeton when I lived there. Maybe we should not bash AMA - but we need to get their attention. But probably unlike, some of our favorite bashees, they may just lurk, take detailed notes, but not respond on line. At a local meeting/reception with Maynard Hill --- a modeler (in hind sight I think he was) asked Maynard how they (the team) got permission to exceed the AMA altitude restriction. I am not sure anyone got a clear answer - something about exceptions. just a few thoughts.. Jim On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:56:34 +, Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Right On Crag! Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
RCSEr's Ed and Tom are making perfectly good sense and I have no doubt that driving to your local flying field will be a thing of the past in ten years. Look how long it took AMA and how much work it was to get the extra freqs. I've been flying RC since 1957 part-time and in ten years I planned on flying RC full time. But I really suspect that a few retirement villages with a structured field - not near a potential threat and the AMA site at Muncie will be all that is left - if we give the GOV advanced notice and they remember to put it on the day/duty officer's sheet. * Grass roots ARE needed - but the AMA needs to have started protecting our rights/priviledge five years ago - or at least right after 9 11. ** Insurance, Model Aviation, Dues are NOT important compared to our right/priviledge to fly where and when we would like. Just IMHO Jim AMA Life Member #43 On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:27:51 +, Ed Jett wrote: Thomas is correct. We need to be more organized and direct to the lawmakers about any issue that has the potential to affect our hobby. Unfortunately, that is the truth about politics. Now that the military is getting into RC in a big way, we can expect a lot of pressure in the future. If we are not diligent, we will have a tough time. Now, that said,our hobby (i.e., we as members) and our Academy needs to do more to protect our rights as modelers and flyers than we currently do. Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea. In fact, studying the organization as a whole would be enlightening. For instance, take a look at their membership cost and the benefits that clubs and members get for their membership money. What about the fact that the organization itself acts as a watchdog on legislative issues and will organize grass roots opposition when appropriate. Compare that to our AMA. I personally believe we need to fiercely preserve all of the freedoms we have. How many modelers and flyers are out there freelancing (i.e, not AMA members)? A LOT more than there are members. There is room to grow the organization and the membership needs a more active organization. We certainly could use a Charlton Heston, but we don't need a Smith and Wesson; we need a Bill Ruger. Just my opinions. You are free to disagree. EJ - Original Message - From: Thomas Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the restriction or not. They need to know that anytime they push against a model flyer we will all push back. Why do you think that it is legal to buy assault rifles again? Because NRA does not let any restriction go unprotested. It sucks but its true - the squeaky wheels get the oil. Now if we could get sponsors like Smith and Wesson and get a spokesman like Heston, we could organize a multimilliion dollar lobby and never have any problems again. Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Servo Wire
Peter: Go to any electronic supply house and get 10 - 100 ft of what ever gauge you want: 22 - 26 gauge. Three colors, at least. Take 10 ft and clamp the ends of the three wires in a vise. Collect the other ends and place in variable speed dril (dremel works great) twist, take about 20 secs of dremel time for 10 feet. The cost compared to ALL of the websites (replied to you) is less than one half of the street price for twisted or flat servo wire. Less than 15 cents per foot. If you buy 100 ft, it is less than 10 cents a foot and you can select copper stranded in multiple number of strands you want and the insulating coating, etc. IMHO Jim On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:35:55, Peter Schlitzkus wrote: Anybody out there using Bulk Servo wire to make leads in the wings. Where is the best place to buy ?? Whats the best number wire to use ??? Pete in Baltimore - Do you Yahoo!? Anybody out there using Bulk Servo wire to make leads in the wings. Where is the best place to buy ?? Whats the best number wire to use ??? Pete in BaltimoreDo you Yahoo!? Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS vintage kits and plane
Hey Guys: Two Aquila kits, both have tail feathers started, the rest of the stuff is in there all neat and clean. $100 ea Scale Orlice kit MNIB, fiberglass fuse and built up wings. $200 Legionaire 132 MNIB $250 Very Rare Legionaire 140 MNIB $225 Grande Esprit RTF, just add rx, 4 servos on spoilers and ruddervators $300 Bob Sealy scale Habitch: FG fuse and foam core wings/rudder/elevator Kit $300 Large! I hate to go to all of the trouble of Ebay or RCUniverse, so I would make a great package deal to one address. Way too many projects. Jim AMA Life Member #43 Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] metric system (certainly not the last word)
glider guiders: As a science teacher at the university level, this conversation is interesting (to say the least) and I am not sure how much of what has been said is fact or opinion dressed up as fact. It seems to me that 100ths and 1000th of an inch - which I used in the 60's for drag racing engines was used because you could just move the decimal (on the milling machines)- this would seem to be evidence that the standard system sucks and the metric is more appropriate. (because you have to convert from English factions to English decimal anyway - why not convert to the way the rest of the world has agreed to do it by convention) Not to mention the additional cost to the GNP involved with a double, triple, quadruple standards (labeling)that involves much of our economy and the oil industry. (or the Mars lander and the Hubble.) By God, you can't make me change and I do not care if it costs me a lot more! attitude. Or don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made up! I can say that there is not even a semi-reputable science textbook that uses the English system - the students would just laugh. Just because an industry (USA) uses 0.001 inch, doesn't make it the best or right. In physics we have to use two systems for current, electron current and standard current - because Franklin got it wrong. Students just laugh and they SHOULD, not to mention what my foreign students say. The rest of the world has to deal with us, not us with them! just a few thoughts from someone who is probably old enough to know better than to engage in this sort of thing, but well off to the Gas Laws and having to explain why we (the rest of the world) use kilo-Pascals for pressure and not inches or PSI or Bars or atmospheres or. Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] wtb1/2 dozen Hitech Supreme Rx
Hey guys: Where is the best (cheapest) deal for 6 Hitec 8 channel Supreme Rxs with specific xtls (16)? Thanks for the bandwidth Jim Ealy AMA Life Member #43 Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Digital Scales
Guys: My $0.02 Today in lab,I used balances that ranged in price from $6000+ to $89 The $89 balances were centigram balances with accuracy to 0.1 g, capacity of 250 grams. I will not belabor the differences between accuracy and precision - I do it all the time with students that should know better. However, if a balance has a possible error of 1% for values between 1 gram and 100 grams - than it doesn't matter if you measure out large amounts or small amounts. 1% of 100g is one gram - will not matter for the mix and if you need 10 grams, 1% of 10 grams is 0.1g - well within the tolerance for hardner, etc. or even 2%! Triple beam balances are not as good as a digital balance. The TB balance must be able to swing freely and stop on the zero or the same place each time. If you've used the balance once it is not as good as it was. (I go back to using a chain-o-matic analytical balance, same priciple as a TB and those weighing may have taken 30 - 40 minutes, and the standards I had to use, cost me over $100 in 1963) The use (and repeated use) of the TB balance rounds off the once sharp fulcrum - and then it will not stop swinging at the same place with the same amount of epoxy, etc or the calibrated set, both accuracy and precision are poor. This fact of life will make them less accurate/precise than the cheapest digital. Forget any rough handling, abuse in shipping, or on the flea market table I've had students check (a lab designed to show students the differences between accuracy and precision with multiple measuring instruments)triple beams against cheap digital - and the cheap digital always wins. Taring on a triple beam is not easy nor quick. Weighing on a TB is not quick either. ALL digital balances will tare with a push of the tare button, so you can use used cups, different sized cups, etc. Unless you buy a good set of calibrated masses and DO NOT touch them with anything except clean forceps, they are useless as a calibration standard. Just the oil on your hands (never mind dust and corrosion) will make them worst than the cheapest digital balances. BTW: sometimes you can get really good digital balances at the police station for nothing or a small donation to their fund - they confiscate them in drug busts! Jim Ealy Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Sheet Lead
Guys: Lead shot is easily available in several sizes at full service gun shops. Another way to use it is to fill the nose with just a smig more than the amount of shot you need. Turn ship nose down and fix it to stay that way. Fill nose with required amount of lead shot. Use either thick AC or a coat of epoxy on top of pile of lead. This will make solid seal for just about 10% of the total amount, the rest still free to move. When set, drill a hole anywhere you want into the lead, from the outside of the fuse. The holes needs to be just a bit bigger than the shot. Now you can remove shot at the field until it is just perfect. Use a small nylon screw to seal hole or a pice of matching tape to close hole. As your reflexes slow down with age, you can add a little more shot to move the CG back forward. %o regards, Jim Ealy AMA Life Member #43 On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:26:01, Bob Pope wrote: Jim Monaco wrote: Ed put Cast in quotes because he does not melt the shot. Actually shot is Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] How High?
Hello guys: During the early 80's I was involved with AMA altitude attempts. My son did set a AMA 2-M record (about 1800 ft) which held up for about 10 years - and then was only broken by a very small margin. We used triangulation with high quality serveying instuments. ***The only way that I will believe has any merit!*** If you fly DIRECTLY overhead then you will be about 2000 ft away, but most of us do not (we will swear we are at 90 degrees maybe 75-80 degrees) and therefore the plane is considerable farther away. The open class record was set using a full scale Replogle Baragraph that was calibrated, before and after record attempt, and STILL had an inherent error. If you wish to see just how lousy the $100 and $200 toys are, have it calibrated or go up in a full scale ship and compare! As far as I know these toy baragraphs do not compensate for temp - which will introduce considerable more error ON THE high side! I know my son had exceptional eyesight and the judges were using the telescopic serveying equipment, so go figure. I think the most telling fact is the 1/32 wire at 2 feet. If you want make that even more real, carve a little scale sailplane from the tip of the wire and then take a test with witnesses and also have a smoker near by for effect.. I have compared several modern toy altimeters against an educational pressure sensor calibrated against a standard and adjusted for real time temp. It is about half the size of a Replogle, but stills needs a Sailaire size fuse. Thermal air is several degrees warmer (and less pressure) than surroundings - which fools the toy altimeter into thinking it is much higher. .sort of like standing a bridge with a friend and comparing how cold the water is to how deep it is... Jim Ealy Vintage Sailplaner On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:56:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/2003 2:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard verified stories of scale ships being flown higher and I can believe that, but I believe a 2m. would disappear at about 1500 to 2000ft. unless the light conditions were perfect.. I've had my Omega 1.8m (with altimeter) over 2000 feet a few times. I think my highest was around 2300 feet. Granted at that altitude it's a speck and is on the verge of being lost. The conditions greatly affect how high you can go. I've actually found that a low humidity deep blue sky is not very good for seeing gliders at high altitude. The plane seems to just dissolve into the sky. The best for me, is to get under a nice cumulus and try to stay under it as you climb. With the cloud as a backdrop, you can see the glider at very high altitudes. If you leave the cloud though, the model can easily disappear. Randy Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Question for chemists/chemical engineers
Mark: (members) This reply in no way represents my institution's view, expressed or otherwise, etc!!! * The recent Emergency Response Guidebook: Do no use water or foam. Small Fires: Dry chemical, soda ash, lime or sand Large Fires: DRY sand, dry chemical, soda ash, lime or withdraw from area and let fire burn. *** My added info! I just did a demo in lecture with the alkali metals (Li, Na, K, Cs, Rb) in water, neat, BUT...!!! Li reacts with water/moisture to produce heat, lithium hydroxide (similar to Lye or Draino) and hydrogen gas. In the case of Na, K, Cs, RB, the heat produced is sufficient to ignite the hydrogen produced. I am not aware of the energy produce by lithium reaction with moisture to be enough to ignite the hydrogen gas, but out on a hot dry field. REMEMBER, hydrogen gas is only produced if the lithium metal comes in contact with moisture/water. The ammo box with a bag of sand to throw in on top of the burning battery is a good idea. Do not close the lid --- heat - pressure might be even more exciting. The dry chemical fire extinguisher called ABC Dry Chemical is an excellent device to have with you. Do not use a CO2! My VW Vanagon came with this type of fire extinguisher. Hope this helps. Jim Ealy On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:19:37, Aerofoam wrote: I have been using very large Li-poly batteries and am very aware of the potential for a serious melt down/lithium fire. My chemical knowledge is limited to being a connoisseur of fine solvents! The question is: Is there any chemical or element that would interfere or cancel the reaction of a lithium fire? My thought would be to make a charging box out of an ammo box and line it with more of this material than necessary to snuff the reaction. Sort of like control rods in a reactor. Is this possible Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: Re: [RCSE] Triathalon
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:01:24 +, Bob Johnson wrote: It could still be a good event if the turnaround was moved back so that a typical modern composite sailplane could not launch high enough to get more than about 5 minutes without finding lift. Maybe I am the only person to remember the old ECSS, East Coast Soaring Society, but we flew in the late 70's and early 80's 2 or 3 (Smarna, DE. York PA, Lancaster, PA, Daniel Boone, PA) of the Tria. each season. I felt as a novice it gave me a fighting chance until the last round - and it was exciting for me. HOWEVER, as I recall, the last two or three seasons, we had an awful lot of ties for the the top positions and that required fly-offs. We always had two or three on same freq - and the event died out... for that reason. Others felt that since many made their time, it became a landing event - go figure. (IHMO) jim ealy ama life memeber #43 Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] River of lift.
Dick: I may be misled, but I know the full scale pilots I hang with agree with Thornburg. The thermals(bubble/column of warmer/wetter air from the generator - dark wet field) break loose and go up in altitude to the due point, (higher alltitude lower pressure and lower temp) at which point a cloud appears. The clouds form a cloud STREET! A straight line of alternating cloud, clear air, cloud, etc - thus it looks like a STREET of clouds. Assuming a constant wind vector. The alternating clear air and cloud is cause by the loss of energy from the generator as it heats up the present column of air - after a while the generator has stored enough energy to once again heat a sizable column of air. I was told like drops from a spigot only falling up. jim ealy Dick Williamson wrote: John, Full-scale soaring pilots describe a phenomenon called cloud streaks or something similar. The observation is that lines of cumulus clouds will sometimes form into streaks with clear air between the cloud streaks. The streaks generally run parallel to the wind. The pilots have observed that there is good lift underneath the cloud streaks and sink in the clear air between the streaks. A cloud streak indicates a long sustained corridor of lift. The situation is very different from Thornburg's river of air in which one envisions separated thermals drifting downwind with the prevailing wind. Dick Hello All! Wednesday I took a really long lunch to go flying with another RCSE member who was in town. Every time I get to fly with someone I get to learn new things and see some neat flying to boot. For the new things, this fellow worked with me to learn more about triming out planes, and when we were done, my little 15oz HLG lost some weight and floated far better than previously. It was once a really fast bullet, and now it looks a whole lot floatier and I found it easier to keep up. Now for the subject - River of lift. There were good thermals, especially at the altitudes he launched his open class plane. Many times he skyed out, but his last flight was quite memorable for me. It started out after the highstart launch with him finding a little bubble of lift that he kept riding, without gaining much altitude, for quite a ways down wind. Then all of a sudden that little bubble zoomed! He started climbing at a very rapid rate until he was specked out a long ways up and a long ways down wind. Then, to my surprise, he started working his way back upwind, thermal turning the whole way and maintaining altitude. After a while he was as far upwind, at speck altitude, as he had been downwind. I asked how he did that and he said he had found a river of lift that he rode upwind. I didn't mention it, but I noticed that over the lift where he had flown there was a distinct stream-shaped cloud formation. I was wondering afterwards if seeing another stream of clouds like that would be a place to find another river of lift. Something to try someday when I step up to a big glider. There is so much joy is seeing our planes stay up on nothing but heat energy. John Gossett. = John Gossett, Austin Texas RC Soaring Site: http://www.geocities.com/johntestsgo/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Richard C. WilliamsonPhone: 781-981-7857 Room C-317 FAX:781-981-0122 Lincoln Laboratory Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Massachusetts Institute of Technology 244 Wood Street Lexington, MA 02420-9108 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Sites in Clemson
I am working at Clemson for a week and finish at 5PM, any one fly near Clemson University??? It slight for another 4 hours and cooler! I have two TD ships and my winch and have my hat in hand. I can fly on campus, but do not know if I would interfer with local flyers. jim ealy AMA Life Member #43 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Cabi
Does anyone have the correct email address for Cabigas, he is major domo for the MP8000/MP2K (Ace Micro Pro 8000 and the new MP2000) list serve reply offline jim ealy AMA Life Member #43 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] Cabi
Thanks; Is the mp8k listserve still up and running? I have not gotten any info recently and am trying to keep on the development of the new mp2k. Or has the ;list evaporated because of his transfer to Saudi? thanks again jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] thermaling hawks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .maybe because their wings allow them to do right turns in a left turning thermal, but most birds will turn counter-clockwise, in the Northern Hemisphere, with the thermal (a quote from a handout that was a page copied from a textbook, as a teacher of physics, I will tell you that TEXTS are the worst sources of info. Even the very best in undergraduate and graduate school have mis-conceptions. (Ironically, the worst misconception is centrifugal force - a fictious force that is unfortunately probably necessary to comprehend the coriolis effect of LARGE masses of air) As was mentioned prevously by this author and others - thermals DO NOT have a definite turn (due mainly to their short life, with such a weak force (coriolis) it takes time to get the stronger thermodynamic random movements organized), they are meta stable bubbles of rising warmer/more moist air that slant (usually) with the prevailing wind or drift randomly. As the warm bubble rises, the air cools due to lower pressue and expansion and moves out away from center of the way for the underneath warmer air - which ends up looking more like a rising (no pun intended) donut of air. Cu's top out this way. Birds ARE NOT flying counter current in thermals - there will be a local and temporary direction in a portion of the larger bubble, but not an organized overall spiral AND definitely not because of the corolis effect. IMHO Old timers will remember the Taft Trash Movers. jim ealy AMA Life Member #43 PS if you are going to flame with WHO the H*** cares??? -save bandwidth and use reply to sender only. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] H/L Contests
HI: Looking for a built/flyable Probe by Terry Luckenbaugh. Send info and asking price. jim ealy AMA Life Member #43 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] WTB Probe
HI: Looking for a built/flyable Probe by Terry Luckenbaugh. Send info and asking price. I remember one for sale at the Hamburg, PA swap meet. jim ealy AMA Life Member #43 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] Hobie Hawk INSANITY
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For those of you that want a good laugh, watch the end of the auction for a NIB Hawk with the extra 10' wing on E-Bay. Go to E-Bay and search on "Hobie Hawk" Three guys are bidding each other up and are currently at $660 (as of 430pm Friday). This one ends at about 830 am on Wed, Oct 25. I can't wait to see where this insanity ends up. It may set a new standard for over-valuation, and the guy that put it up will certainly benefit from the bidders overt lust. I have 5, one with 10 ft wings I fly and love those hobies' (landings). I wonder how many of the present $600 to $1200 ships that some people lust after will bring $660 TWENTY FIVE + years from now. OR for that matter, who will even remember that they existed IMHO just a thought. Also, seems to me that many of these new $700 ships use a lot of Hobie Alter's OLD catamaran/surfboard technology. jim ealy (wearing nomax) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] Re: Vinyl cutters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck, it's just a hobby, and it'd better all be disposable income, and at our age, we can all afford to be a bit obsessive. :) After all, you can't take it with you... --Bill On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:39:42 -0700 Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reality check. Am I to understand that all you guys spent $500 to $700. Just to make stickers? Granted they're very cool and snazzy, but $500? Seems a wee but pricey to me. Like Bill says. an Alps printer is much less and you can make much larger decals than a vinyl cutter and in MANY colors and the printer can be used in other capcities... Vinyl has noticeable thickness.I must be missing something.. jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] For sale: many sailplanes, tug, handlaunch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Schempp-Hirth Wolf, beautiful scratch built vintage sailplane from Tony Slocombe plans, 145 inch span (1/4 scale), all wood and fabric, ready to fly, includes all servos and the battery, just add your receiver! Flown many times, thermals well. Is set up with an aerotow release, or fly off of the slope. $600 WHAT WILL YOU TAKE FOR JUST PLANE, I HAVE TONS OF SERVOS AND BATTERIES? CAN IT BE SHIPPED BY UPS? jim ealy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] LSF contest requirements
Hi: My son and I reached level 4 very quickly back in the early 80's when everyone was working on LSF. Now it is more difficult to find two level II,s to witness, than to get points or go to contests. There are many more contests now than then, Then, in the ECSS, there were maybe 6 or 7 contests each summer. I still GREATLY admire those who have reached level V and the few who have reached Level X. Each part of the country has its own advantages, good thermals or great slopes. Some parts of the country have it very easy to do the goal and return, BUT, the contest requirement is the ground leveler. It was do a great diservice to those that have gone before to change the requirments. Why don 't you just form a new organization and don't do the contest thing. I'll bet if your LSF V was LSF V* instead, a lot of us would just grin and walk away!! I would rather remain LSF IV than LSF V*. %) Jim Ealy AMA Life-43 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re(2): [RCSE] Can human soar?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would claim that sky jumping is a human gliding event with an an atrocious L/D. They do control where they go! To be perfectly obnoxious as I am wont to do often. When you learn to sky dive, there are several techniques...one is to go to a "vertical wind tunnel" facilty. You "jump" into the updraft and soar!!! At tunnel speeds in excess of your "drag/weight" you will go up. Soaring might be defined as using updrafts to remain in the air longer than your best L/D, IMHO cheers jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Can hawks do a loop????
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, by the way,can hawks loop Don't know, but geese will do a somersault on landing if the are coming in hot and heavy. I first saw this as a kid fishing in boat on a lake. The geese wanted to use the place where we were fishing as part of their runway. The had to come in higher, so to cut distance and speed they did "sort of a loop" - really a somersault. It looks strange, but when you look carefully -- they flip end over end AND then put down the flaps, crow the ailerons and hang out the gear and splash into the water. Very undignified for a regular kind of goose. Much later in an Ornithology class, my prof confirmed the action as a goose's version of a "crossed controls." This reply/post is not tongue in cheek, btw. cheers jim PS: I think the movie about the geese and the hangglider migration showed the somersault. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
