Re: ICE Crowds in Now You See Me (making-of/breakdown video)
Cool stuff! It's great to see what kinds of solutions people come up with in Nuke, too! -Tim On 9/28/2013 11:34 AM, olivier jeannel wrote: Very instructive ! Even the 2d crowd could have be generated with ice. How long did you work on this project ? Le 28/09/2013 17:25, Adam Seeley a écrit : It's a good one to show clients who assume you just press the make stadium populate stadium buttons. Adam. - http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=21162305 https://vimeo.com/adamseeley https://vimeo.com/album/2280465 *From:* Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Saturday, 28 September 2013, 16:15 *Subject:* Re: ICE Crowds in Now You See Me (making-of/breakdown video) Am insisting on lidar scans for every job from now onwards! :) On 28 Sep 2013 16:02, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.com mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: This is just awesome work Alan! Really like the making offs. It's probably the most in-depth making offs I've ever seen. /Jens On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Crowd sym's are like a game and there are rules and you have to follow them CAUSE ITS NOT A GAME ! Baffling work Rodeo people, for a film about magic tricks, looks like there was a lot more magic on screen then the average viewer would expect :) On 27 September 2013 22:53, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone's interested, Rodeo's put up a few more nice making-of videos: http://vimeo.com/74730094 (this is my fav) http://vimeo.com/74729133 http://vimeo.com/75252736 ICE used for the MGM ground crowds, the falling money (and some of the bills being sucked into the vents) and the fancy motiongraphic'y projection animated cubey stuff on the walls of the building shot. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Rodeo has put up a full breakdown reel of this and other work for the film: http://www.rodeofx.com/all-films/now-you-see-me Enjoy! :) On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: You think this is a GAME!?!?!?! :P On September-13-13 3:27:29 PM, Guillaume Laforge wrote: Should be the same game oriented software. ;-P -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mailsoftimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Signature -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Screen shot or it didn't happen... :P On September-30-13 10:16:04 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
RE: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I get the same page Paul...the one showcasing Softiamge ICE as a reason to buy the creative suite. You did not get that video showing up Eric? -=Eric On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Screen shot or it didn't happen... :P On September-30-13 10:16:04 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes: Softimage: Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya: Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering. 3ds MAX: Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. -- From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Nice to see Cory blog about a softimage short too: http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/cory/alice-short-film-made-with-softimage On 30 September 2013 16:12, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes: Softimage: Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya: Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering. 3ds MAX: Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. -- From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.matinai.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Expressions on constraints... huh?
This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Softimage is included only as an additional option... If you want only Softiamge with the rest of the stuff as Sketchpro, etc. You will need to buy them separately 2013/9/30 Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com Nice to see Cory blog about a softimage short too: http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/cory/alice-short-film-made-with-softimage On 30 September 2013 16:12, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes: Softimage: Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya: Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering. 3ds MAX: Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. -- From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.matinai.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Expressions on constraints... huh?
I know this sounds really simple, but did you set a relative value of the U position for each extreme of your custom parameter? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.comwrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/https://vimeo.com/user4174293http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd.If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone.Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall hack...@outlook.com wrote: I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.johnrichardsanchez.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
I've bin bear Maya.. for years.. and never knew how you can simply work in project without working around of problems you run into.. till I jumped Softimage bridge. Ooooh the smell of clear fresh air there.. and now going back to maya is like coming down from mountain into smelly disgusting smog of town! On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez youngupstar...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall hack...@outlook.comwrote: I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.johnrichardsanchez.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
Amen. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: I've bin bear Maya.. for years.. and never knew how you can simply work in project without working around of problems you run into.. till I jumped Softimage bridge. Ooooh the smell of clear fresh air there.. and now going back to maya is like coming down from mountain into smelly disgusting smog of town! On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez youngupstar...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall hack...@outlook.comwrote: I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.johnrichardsanchez.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- www.johnrichardsanchez.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
Ugh. Tough cookie. This is one of those very delicate topics that usually end with rotten vegetables flying from camp to camp. It just happens that some people take the tools they use quite personally. I think it's all a matter of perspective, and personal preference. Of course, we can all start arguing over technical aspects of each product's architecture and data models, but that's just another rabbit hole. Workflows... tools... aesthetics... all rabbit holes. I've had to work with Maya, Max, Modo, and now Soft, and each app has its strengths and weaknesses (granted, some have more of one than the other), and depending what kind of job you have, and what kind of stuff you have to deal with, your tool is either going to make it a pleasant job, or your worst nightmare. However, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adesk is a company who's primary objective is to make money, and we may like it or not, but absolutely nothing on this planet (short of a complete fail of the international money markets) will change that. And when it comes to making money, Adesk will of course put all its money on the horse that's winning the race. And we may like it or not, but that is Maya (and by winning the race I mean purely making more money). I don't want to start yet another discussion over the virtues or defects of each product and their future. Just trying to keep in the picture the fact that Adesk looks at this from a completely different perspective than users (and it's not only about how much money it's making, but also about how much it costs). So, let's just focus on the facts... * Adesk has 3 completely redundant products on its product line (Max, Maya, and Soft... they all are end-to-end DCC applications. They do things differently, but they all produce quality results). * There are 3 different development teams working on these products. * Max and Maya compete for the most seats in different industries. So, as a purely software development-focused entity, you'd ask yourself Why do I need three? What if I had all my users only using one?. It does make sense... less development costs for same revenue (this is all in theory of course). And from that POV, it makes more sense to try to move less users to a different product than more of them... hence, Maya is their winning horse (whereas users decide to leave their current tool of choice for Maya is still to be seen). So, it doesn't really matter how great ICE is, or how more modern Softs architecture is, or how friendly Max is. These are all things that can eventually be implemented in another code base (technical issues and business concerns aside). It's a matter of getting favorable quarterly results. Period. I think the real unfortunate aspect of this is that there is NO real contender/alternative to an application of Maya/Soft's maturity and capabilites. And Adesk knows it. Therefore, they can afford to play different strategies withl little risk involved. And I think I've gone on long enough, and it's lunch time (and not to mention, Monday...) *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 12:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez wrote: I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall hack...@outlook.com mailto:hack...@outlook.com wrote: I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
http://www.sidefx.com http://www.sidefx.com/ :P Le 30/09/2013 12:44 PM, Sergio Mucino a écrit : Ugh. Tough cookie. This is one of those very delicate topics that usually end with rotten vegetables flying from camp to camp. It just happens that some people take the tools they use quite personally. I think it's all a matter of perspective, and personal preference. Of course, we can all start arguing over technical aspects of each product's architecture and data models, but that's just another rabbit hole. Workflows... tools... aesthetics... all rabbit holes. I've had to work with Maya, Max, Modo, and now Soft, and each app has its strengths and weaknesses (granted, some have more of one than the other), and depending what kind of job you have, and what kind of stuff you have to deal with, your tool is either going to make it a pleasant job, or your worst nightmare. However, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adesk is a company who's primary objective is to make money, and we may like it or not, but absolutely nothing on this planet (short of a complete fail of the international money markets) will change that. And when it comes to making money, Adesk will of course put all its money on the horse that's winning the race. And we may like it or not, but that is Maya (and by winning the race I mean purely making more money). I don't want to start yet another discussion over the virtues or defects of each product and their future. Just trying to keep in the picture the fact that Adesk looks at this from a completely different perspective than users (and it's not only about how much money it's making, but also about how much it costs). So, let's just focus on the facts... * Adesk has 3 completely redundant products on its product line (Max, Maya, and Soft... they all are end-to-end DCC applications. They do things differently, but they all produce quality results). * There are 3 different development teams working on these products. * Max and Maya compete for the most seats in different industries. So, as a purely software development-focused entity, you'd ask yourself Why do I need three? What if I had all my users only using one?. It does make sense... less development costs for same revenue (this is all in theory of course). And from that POV, it makes more sense to try to move less users to a different product than more of them... hence, Maya is their winning horse (whereas users decide to leave their current tool of choice for Maya is still to be seen). So, it doesn't really matter how great ICE is, or how more modern Softs architecture is, or how friendly Max is. These are all things that can eventually be implemented in another code base (technical issues and business concerns aside). It's a matter of getting favorable quarterly results. Period. I think the real unfortunate aspect of this is that there is NO real contender/alternative to an application of Maya/Soft's maturity and capabilites. And Adesk knows it. Therefore, they can afford to play different strategies withl little risk involved. And I think I've gone on long enough, and it's lunch time (and not to mention, Monday...) *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 12:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez wrote: I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Andi Farhall hack...@outlook.com mailto:hack...@outlook.com wrote: I approached learning a bit as an occupational hazard. The job needed ncloth for legacy reasons so i thought, ok, how bad can it be. nCloth seemed to do the trick, and no doubt there are other parts of maya that are good but good lord it's unpleasant to use. As many of us suspect, it's simply a case of seat numbers and nothing to do with how good a package is as to where AD pitch it. If they seriously expect something like maya to be the future they're all barking mad... and as such I'm failry sure that can't be the future. Fingers crossed. just my 5 pence worth. ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/ https://vimeo.com/user4174293 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Expressions on constraints... huh?
Depends on if you're looking to do a straight 1 to 1 translation of the custom parameter to the U value of the constraint. If so in the Param connection editor there is an option to set an equals expression (look at the drop down at the bottom of the UI). On 30/09/2013 11:25 AM, Sergio Mucino wrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: slightly OT : for those of us (like me) who've never been near maya
I've used Houdini a bit too, and I really don't think it can be considered a serious competitor to Adesk's offerings just because it does not offer an end-to-end solution for production (keep reading). Houdini is not capable of creating 3d models with the ease and speed that most 3d apps have. Their modeling tools feel to me like they're there to either massage geometry brought in from other 3d packages, or to really spend time creating procedural assets that will shine on later down the pipeline (and in that respect, I don't think any other 3d app can touch Houdini :-) ). But to quickly know down models and start using them, Houdini can't get close to other tools (and I think SideFX knows it, and they've been smart about focusing their efforts in the aspects of Houdini that make it a truly strong contender in the DCC market (which are the more technical aspects of it... actually, I tend to think of Houdini not as a 3d application in the traditional sense, but as a 3d environment for visual programming). I'd actually think Softimage is the best alternative to Houdini. Even though ICE does not have the same breath and ease of use that Houdini has, it is the closest one to offering similar workflows and procedural concepts, while at the same time offering a solid all-around 3d toolset for many different aspects of production. Unfortunately for Softimage, it's competition didn't come from other companies and their products, but from its own siblings. :-\ My very own $0.02... *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 12:57 PM, Dominik Kirouac wrote: http://www.sidefx.com http://www.sidefx.com/ :P Le 30/09/2013 12:44 PM, Sergio Mucino a écrit : Ugh. Tough cookie. This is one of those very delicate topics that usually end with rotten vegetables flying from camp to camp. It just happens that some people take the tools they use quite personally. I think it's all a matter of perspective, and personal preference. Of course, we can all start arguing over technical aspects of each product's architecture and data models, but that's just another rabbit hole. Workflows... tools... aesthetics... all rabbit holes. I've had to work with Maya, Max, Modo, and now Soft, and each app has its strengths and weaknesses (granted, some have more of one than the other), and depending what kind of job you have, and what kind of stuff you have to deal with, your tool is either going to make it a pleasant job, or your worst nightmare. However, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adesk is a company who's primary objective is to make money, and we may like it or not, but absolutely nothing on this planet (short of a complete fail of the international money markets) will change that. And when it comes to making money, Adesk will of course put all its money on the horse that's winning the race. And we may like it or not, but that is Maya (and by winning the race I mean purely making more money). I don't want to start yet another discussion over the virtues or defects of each product and their future. Just trying to keep in the picture the fact that Adesk looks at this from a completely different perspective than users (and it's not only about how much money it's making, but also about how much it costs). So, let's just focus on the facts... * Adesk has 3 completely redundant products on its product line (Max, Maya, and Soft... they all are end-to-end DCC applications. They do things differently, but they all produce quality results). * There are 3 different development teams working on these products. * Max and Maya compete for the most seats in different industries. So, as a purely software development-focused entity, you'd ask yourself Why do I need three? What if I had all my users only using one?. It does make sense... less development costs for same revenue (this is all in theory of course). And from that POV, it makes more sense to try to move less users to a different product than more of them... hence, Maya is their winning horse (whereas users decide to leave their current tool of choice for Maya is still to be seen). So, it doesn't really matter how great ICE is, or how more modern Softs architecture is, or how friendly Max is. These are all things that can eventually be implemented in another code base (technical issues and business concerns aside). It's a matter of getting favorable quarterly results. Period. I think the real unfortunate aspect of this is that there is NO real contender/alternative to an application of Maya/Soft's maturity and capabilites. And Adesk knows it. Therefore, they can afford to play different strategies withl little risk involved. And I think I've gone on long enough, and it's lunch time (and not to mention, Monday...) *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 12:05 PM, John Richard Sanchez wrote: I agree. But numbers do count as most studios use maya and I need to go where the work is. On Mon, Sep
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Particle taking uvs from it's emitter
Hi all, Is there a way for : Having an emitter (let's say a sphere) with a Texturemap (UV). And having some particles (let's say discs) that would get the portion of UVs of its EmitLocation ? (the litle piece of Uvs corresponding to where it is born) Not the color, the UV. If someone can point me to the correct direction... :) I guess the sampling might be pretty long with 100K and more Particles. Thank's a lot. Olivier -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
to sell is only it can be used these days due to number of facts tied to its usability no need to go into details now really... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.comwrote: Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Python Performance: Best route for adding tons of polymeshes to a pre-existing group?
I'm working on a tool that requires that I group many polymeshes together (hundreds of polymesh items). In most cases, the group I want to place them in will already exist. I'm currently getting the group, looping over the meshes, and using AddMember(). But that is killing my performance. The odd thing is that if the Group doesn't exist, my code creates the group first, then adds the meshes, and it's done in a split second. Any insight into best practices for adding meshes to groups? -- Signature *Tim Crowson */Lead CG Artist/ *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214 *Ph* 615.885.6801 | *Fax* 615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com /Confidentiality Notice: This email, including attachments, is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Magnetic Dreams, Inc cannot accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Magnetic Dreams, Inc or one of its agents./ -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Python Performance: Best route for adding tons of polymeshes to a pre-existing group?
Contradictory to its name, the AddMember() method can add multiple member*s*to a group if you feed it a collection. Instead of adding one by one, prepare an XSICollection object with what the group needs, and call AddMember() once per group. That should be pretty quick. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm working on a tool that requires that I group many polymeshes together (hundreds of polymesh items). In most cases, the group I want to place them in will already exist. I'm currently getting the group, looping over the meshes, and using AddMember(). But that is killing my performance. The odd thing is that if the Group doesn't exist, my code creates the group first, then adds the meshes, and it's done in a split second. Any insight into best practices for adding meshes to groups? -- *Tim Crowson **Lead CG Artist* *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214 *Ph* 615.885.6801 | *Fax* 615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com *Confidentiality Notice: This email, including attachments, is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Magnetic Dreams, Inc cannot accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Magnetic Dreams, Inc or one of its agents.* -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Python Performance: Best route for adding tons of polymeshes to a pre-existing group?
Aha! I missed that, but that makes sense. I'll give that a shot. Thanks Alan. -Tim On 9/30/2013 1:37 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote: Contradictory to its name, the AddMember() method can add multiple member_s_ to a group if you feed it a collection. Instead of adding one by one, prepare an XSICollection object with what the group needs, and call AddMember() once per group. That should be pretty quick. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm working on a tool that requires that I group many polymeshes together (hundreds of polymesh items). In most cases, the group I want to place them in will already exist. I'm currently getting the group, looping over the meshes, and using AddMember(). But that is killing my performance. The odd thing is that if the Group doesn't exist, my code creates the group first, then adds the meshes, and it's done in a split second. Any insight into best practices for adding meshes to groups? -- *Tim Crowson */Lead CG Artist/ *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214 *Ph* 615.885.6801 tel:615.885.6801 | *Fax* 615.889.4768 tel:615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com http://www.magneticdreams.com tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com /Confidentiality Notice: This email, including attachments, is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Magnetic Dreams, Inc cannot accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Magnetic Dreams, Inc or one of its agents./ -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Signature *Tim Crowson */Lead CG Artist/ *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214 *Ph* 615.885.6801 | *Fax* 615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com /Confidentiality Notice: This email, including attachments, is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Magnetic Dreams, Inc cannot accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Magnetic Dreams, Inc or one of its agents./ -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Expressions on constraints... huh?
Hey Eric. I got carried away with a different task. Let me get back to you on this one a little later. (I also tried your other suggestion with the = sign... didn't make a difference, if I remember correctly). I'll let you know ASAP... thanks! *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 11:48 AM, Eric Turman wrote: I know this sounds really simple, but did you set a relative value of the U position for each extreme of your custom parameter? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.com mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
RE: Particle taking uvs from it's emitter
Plug Self.EmitLocation into the source port of a Get Data, then get cls.Texture_Coordinates_AUTO.Texture_Projection.UVs. gray -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:13 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Particle taking uvs from it's emitter Hi all, Is there a way for : Having an emitter (let's say a sphere) with a Texturemap (UV). And having some particles (let's say discs) that would get the portion of UVs of its EmitLocation ? (the litle piece of Uvs corresponding to where it is born) Not the color, the UV. If someone can point me to the correct direction... :) I guess the sampling might be pretty long with 100K and more Particles. Thank's a lot. Olivier -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. attachment: winmail.dat-- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Funny once again a positive thread that become negative... Can we stop that mentality for a change? I love Softimage but you guys are killing the spirit and potentially the software with this attitude... You want a developer to be on that list? Come on guy there is no way an AD developer will enjoy spending time answering questions or doing comments when you have such a negative spirit... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: to sell is only it can be used these days due to number of facts tied to its usability no need to go into details now really... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.comwrote: Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Negative spirit is due the fact that not single developer ever joined conversation and show any light at the end of the tunel :) yes people are negative but with reason. seem slike ANYONE else here in list could create better marketing for SI then whole AD marketing department that isa ctualy paid to promote software. Actually they did, sofimtage.tv anyone? :) On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.com wrote: Funny once again a positive thread that become negative... Can we stop that mentality for a change? I love Softimage but you guys are killing the spirit and potentially the software with this attitude... You want a developer to be on that list? Come on guy there is no way an AD developer will enjoy spending time answering questions or doing comments when you have such a negative spirit... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: to sell is only it can be used these days due to number of facts tied to its usability no need to go into details now really... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
RE: Expressions on constraints... huh?
All you have to do really is select the divot (where you key on the custom parameter) and drag and drop it to the U location divot in the constraint. This works. However, I noticed in 2014 SP2 there are no divots on the custom parameter set making it impossible to key their values in the interface... weird. It may be the particular QFE I'm using... I'll check it out. Since it may be missing, just right click on the divot of the U Location select 'expression editor' In the expression editor, select 'object' (on top of expression editor) nullcustParamsetcustparam Apply. Now the custom param in the null will control the U Location of the other null. -Manny SI and Mobu support From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sergio Mucino Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Expressions on constraints... huh? Hey Eric. I got carried away with a different task. Let me get back to you on this one a little later. (I also tried your other suggestion with the = sign... didn't make a difference, if I remember correctly). I'll let you know ASAP... thanks! Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 11:48 AM, Eric Turman wrote: I know this sounds really simple, but did you set a relative value of the U position for each extreme of your custom parameter? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.commailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. attachment: winmail.dat-- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
RE: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Actually Chris Chia has been active on the list and I can only imagine the stress he and the rest of his team must feel from the negativity. Hell, even older devs who no longer even work on the software still grace this forum and answer questions where they can. Granted, ADSK mothership hasn't really done its part in putting Softimage out front and center with the rest but that's out of the hands of the developers in Singapore. Being negative doesn't actually solve any problems, it only exacerbates them. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion Negative spirit is due the fact that not single developer ever joined conversation and show any light at the end of the tunel :) yes people are negative but with reason. seem slike ANYONE else here in list could create better marketing for SI then whole AD marketing department that isa ctualy paid to promote software. Actually they did, sofimtage.tvhttp://sofimtage.tv anyone? :) On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.commailto:gduca...@gmail.com wrote: Funny once again a positive thread that become negative... Can we stop that mentality for a change? I love Softimage but you guys are killing the spirit and potentially the software with this attitude... You want a developer to be on that list? Come on guy there is no way an AD developer will enjoy spending time answering questions or doing comments when you have such a negative spirit... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.commailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: to sell is only it can be used these days due to number of facts tied to its usability no need to go into details now really... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.commailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Hate to kill any of the good spirit left but Chris Chia is no longer at Autodesk... FYI. On September-30-13 3:51:22 PM, Williams, Wayne wrote: Actually Chris Chia has been active on the list and I can only imagine the stress he and the rest of his team must feel from the negativity. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I felt like Softimage was completely ignored from AD's software list for past few years, but I see promotion stuff on AD. It doesn't matter AD thinks SI has only great tool 'ICE' and 'FaceRobot' or not, I feel good to see that AD started to count SI on their software list. ;) On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: Negative spirit is due the fact that not single developer ever joined conversation and show any light at the end of the tunel :) yes people are negative but with reason. seem slike ANYONE else here in list could create better marketing for SI then whole AD marketing department that isa ctualy paid to promote software. Actually they did, sofimtage.tv anyone? :) On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.comwrote: Funny once again a positive thread that become negative... Can we stop that mentality for a change? I love Softimage but you guys are killing the spirit and potentially the software with this attitude... You want a developer to be on that list? Come on guy there is no way an AD developer will enjoy spending time answering questions or doing comments when you have such a negative spirit... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: to sell is only it can be used these days due to number of facts tied to its usability no need to go into details now really... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P Yeah, but in Adesk's marketing department, that does not matter! :-) . It's there and it's impressive, and none of their other products have something equivalent, so it can be used to sell! (I wonder if they still use the old Blur demo videos when showing it around...) Apologies for the Monday sarcasm... :-P *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 1:12 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Why on earth are you touting Face Robot for being an amazing feature that puts Softimage outside the realm of effects? There are so many other better examples. Production-wise, it's nowhere near able to be integrated into animation rigs, it's black boxed, and hasn't had much (if any) dev in recent years... not the best example to be using in my opinion. :P I saw it too but thought it should be screen captured for prosperity just in case it doesn't happen again. - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 11:12 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- --- Daniel Kim Animation Director Professional 3D Generalist http://www.danielkim3d.com --- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
RE: Expressions on constraints... huh?
Seems like someone changed the default behaviour of the Floating Point Number custom parameter. You have to enable 'Animatable' and 'keyable' now in 2014. Logged it. -Manny SI and Mobu support From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Manny Papamanos Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:45 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Expressions on constraints... huh? All you have to do really is select the divot (where you key on the custom parameter) and drag and drop it to the U location divot in the constraint. This works. However, I noticed in 2014 SP2 there are no divots on the custom parameter set making it impossible to key their values in the interface... weird. It may be the particular QFE I'm using... I'll check it out. Since it may be missing, just right click on the divot of the U Location select 'expression editor' In the expression editor, select 'object' (on top of expression editor) nullcustParamsetcustparam Apply. Now the custom param in the null will control the U Location of the other null. -Manny SI and Mobu support From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sergio Mucino Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Expressions on constraints... huh? Hey Eric. I got carried away with a different task. Let me get back to you on this one a little later. (I also tried your other suggestion with the = sign... didn't make a difference, if I remember correctly). I'll let you know ASAP... thanks! Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 11:48 AM, Eric Turman wrote: I know this sounds really simple, but did you set a relative value of the U position for each extreme of your custom parameter? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sergio Mucino sergio.muc...@modusfx.commailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. attachment: winmail.dat-- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I guess from a marketing point of view it makes sense for those who wrote those lines. When you look at the descriptions for Max and Mayayou will agree that they sound very similar. If I were a sales person having to put such information together I'd try to distract customers away from the fact that they are about to pay money for what is essentially a package of three very similar programs (in terms of what you can do with it), hence the attempt to diversify them, even at the expense of information about what each package can actually do and is good at.Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes:Softimage:Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya:Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering.3ds MAX:Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects???Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the "features" tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of "elitist" software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.comDate: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject "unsubscribe" and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject "unsubscribe" and reply to the confirmation email. -- --- Stefan Kubicek--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone:+43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at-- This email and its attachments are confidential and for the recipient only To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Every AD developer do not have to take part of any discussion here... You should in fact assume that they are reading your joyful messages as many non active users (including myself), 3rd party developer, students... All this generates more damage to Softimage than anything AD did or did not do over the past years... Also did you even try to contact AD representatives regarding your feelings? I did many times and they were always listening or providing me with excellent feedback or comments... I will gladly recommend you to do the same. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: ** I guess from a marketing point of view it makes sense for those who wrote those lines. When you look at the descriptions for Max and Maya you will agree that they sound very similar. If I were a sales person having to put such information together I'd try to distract customers away from the fact that they are about to pay money for what is essentially a package of three very similar programs (in terms of what you can do with it), hence the attempt to diversify them, even at the expense of information about what each package can actually do and is good at. Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes: Softimage: Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya: Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering. 3ds MAX: Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. -- From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- --- Stefan Kubicek --- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are -- --confidential and for the recipient only-- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it On 30 September 2013 23:09, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.com wrote: Every AD developer do not have to take part of any discussion here... You should in fact assume that they are reading your joyful messages as many non active users (including myself), 3rd party developer, students... All this generates more damage to Softimage than anything AD did or did not do over the past years... Also did you even try to contact AD representatives regarding your feelings? I did many times and they were always listening or providing me with excellent feedback or comments... I will gladly recommend you to do the same. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: ** I guess from a marketing point of view it makes sense for those who wrote those lines. When you look at the descriptions for Max and Maya you will agree that they sound very similar. If I were a sales person having to put such information together I'd try to distract customers away from the fact that they are about to pay money for what is essentially a package of three very similar programs (in terms of what you can do with it), hence the attempt to diversify them, even at the expense of information about what each package can actually do and is good at. Well finally, but this is the poor description of Softimage even with bad redaction, once you see what the creative suite includes: Softimage: Create effects with ICE and the Autodesk® Face Robot® facial animation toolset. Maya: Create 3D animation with production-proven tools for modeling, animation, visual effects, and rendering. 3ds MAX: Unleash your creativity with the production-proven package for 3D modeling, animation, effects, and rendering. So Softimage is described as only for creating ICE effects. And the way it is written, Face Robot is a facial animation toolset for also creating effects??? Welll now I see why Softimage is being relegated to just a few devs without promotion. AD has not understanded what kind of software Softimage is... They believe that ICE is only for doing special effects along with Face Robot And additionally, Softimage does not render... 2013/9/30 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com Yeah I see it, well at a glance: Procedural ICE modeling - in the features tab! And.. it's third in the in list with the AD packages included as part of elitist software! Much easier to know what SI is, now if you're being a newbie to it. Kudos. -- From: pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I was just on the AD site decided to click on the link for the Entertainment Creation Suites found myself on this page: http://www.autodesk.com/suites/entertainment-creation-suite/overview I'm not sure if everyone gets the same page, but on the top of mine it highlights Softimage ICE for visual effects. It's nice to see Softimage getting some promotion for a change. -Paul -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- --- Stefan Kubicek --- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are -- --confidential and for the recipient only-- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Jon Swindells squi...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Expressions on constraints... huh?
I'm actually using 2012.SAP, but I'll give your suggestions a go Manny. Thanks! *Sergio Mucino* Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 4:04 PM, Manny Papamanos wrote: Seems like someone changed the default behaviour of the Floating Point Number custom parameter. You have to enable 'Animatable' and 'keyable' now in 2014. Logged it. -Manny SI and Mobu support From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Manny Papamanos Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:45 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Expressions on constraints... huh? All you have to do really is select the divot (where you key on the custom parameter) and drag and drop it to the U location divot in the constraint. This works. However, I noticed in 2014 SP2 there are no divots on the custom parameter set making it impossible to key their values in the interface... weird. It may be the particular QFE I'm using... I'll check it out. Since it may be missing, just right click on the divot of the U Location select 'expression editor' In the expression editor, select 'object' (on top of expression editor)nullcustParamsetcustparam Apply. Now the custom param in the null will control the U Location of the other null. -Manny SI and Mobu support From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sergio Mucino Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Expressions on constraints... huh? Hey Eric. I got carried away with a different task. Let me get back to you on this one a little later. (I also tried your other suggestion with the = sign... didn't make a difference, if I remember correctly). I'll let you know ASAP... thanks! Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX On 30/09/2013 11:48 AM, Eric Turman wrote: I know this sounds really simple, but did you set a relative value of the U position for each extreme of your custom parameter? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sergio Mucinosergio.muc...@modusfx.commailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com wrote: This should be a simple one. I've got a null constrained to a curve (param). I have another null on which I created a Custom Parameter, so I could drive with it the U Pos parameter on the curve constraint for the first null. I've connected them using the Parameter Connection Editor, and the constrained Null shows the following expression on its Path %age parameter: l_fcv( Rig.CustomPSet.Path_U_Pos ) However, when I go to my custom parameter on the second Null and change the value, the constrained null does not update. It does nothing. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! (P.S. I also tried getting rid of the l_fcv part of the expression, since it reads to me as if it was expecting a function curve as an input... but this didn't change anything). -- Sergio Mucino Lead Rigger Modus FX -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- -=T=- -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
It is an easy and understandable act/action... But it just don't help. What do you think student learning Softimage, 3rd developers, Studio think about this community when they silently sign in and just keep reading (and not actively posting)? Do they wish to support this community or joining the rank of it? I do not believe such a thing... I believe rather the opposite of it. And this is not AD's fault. In fact if I was a 3rd party developer or an AD developer I will not support such a community and may be this is why so many people where I work and not support our community that much... Also all in all, in my day to day work I have to say that I am happy to see Softimage crash less and less at every new version... Feature wise not that much but I am not after features I am more after bug or improvement than anything else... My selfish 2 cents On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
That was Edy and Xavier. I'm not a Nutella fan. Xavier is however... a nutell fiend! - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. On September-30-13 4:38:33 PM, Gregory Ducatel wrote: It is an easy and understandable act/action... But it just don't help. What do you think student learning Softimage, 3rd developers, Studio think about this community when they silently sign in and just keep reading (and not actively posting)? Do they wish to support this community or joining the rank of it? I do not believe such a thing... I believe rather the opposite of it. And this is not AD's fault. In fact if I was a 3rd party developer or an AD developer I will not support such a community and may be this is why so many people where I work and not support our community that much... Also all in all, in my day to day work I have to say that I am happy to see Softimage crash less and less at every new version... Feature wise not that much but I am not after features I am more after bug or improvement than anything else... My selfish 2 cents On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Actually if you read better you will see that SI users are supporting SI even more, and doom and gloom is not toward SI it self but to AD and what it is doing to it. Recent pol on si-community is confirming what most people feels, even if they kill SI will rather continue to use it in it;s current state than to switch to another AD product. So it is nothing negative towards Softimage, actually quite opposite. They are promoting ICE only and face robot tool that hasn;t bin touched in years, and promoting max as all around tool? Mote SI users never touched ICE then the did and are still using Softimage daily and mostly as small teams or freelancers one man show which is SI's strength. Get things done! It is the best character animation tool out there with best non linear workflow. I mean cmon, maya is running on glass legs and if you don;t have team of TDs to support you you can just wait till it's comes crumbling all over you as it does not leave any room for mistakes. ANyway again it is not negativity toward software, but towards how it is presented by AD. So when you have user base that feels so strongly about their software and feels like having part of them self's ripped from them.. what does it says about that particular software? is that really hard to understand? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.comwrote: Honestly I do respect a lot Luc-Eric, but he cannot know AD's almighty plan for Softimage and they can kill it tomorrow... I do not care that much since I do not control that part. But one thing for sure, as long as they make money with it Softimage will still work on it and each time you are acting negatively toward Softimage, you are in the end putting the knife even further into the wound since studios, school, 3rd party developers will simply go away and switch for another software. If this is what you are trying to do, I think that you are succeeding... Otherwise, you need/want to vent or event spit your emotions somewhere... Just contact your AD representative it is not hard to find who he /she is and explain the situation. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: That was Edy and Xavier. I'm not a Nutella fan. Xavier is however... a nutell fiend! - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Honestly I do respect a lot Luc-Eric, but he cannot know AD's almighty plan for Softimage and they can kill it tomorrow... I do not care that much since I do not control that part. But one thing for sure, as long as they make money with it Softimage will still work on it and each time you are acting negatively toward Softimage, you are in the end putting the knife even further into the wound since studios, school, 3rd party developers will simply go away and switch for another software. If this is what you are trying to do, I think that you are succeeding... Otherwise, you need/want to vent or event spit your emotions somewhere... Just contact your AD representative it is not hard to find who he /she is and explain the situation. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: That was Edy and Xavier. I'm not a Nutella fan. Xavier is however... a nutell fiend! - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Particle taking uvs from it's emitter
Grahame super big thanks ! Will try this tomorrow morning ! I think I will find it, but just in case, in the rendertree, what datas do I need to get to have it render ? And would it work with Arnold or is it MR only ? Anyway, thank you ! Olivier Le 30/09/2013 21:11, Grahame Fuller a écrit : Plug Self.EmitLocation into the source port of a Get Data, then get cls.Texture_Coordinates_AUTO.Texture_Projection.UVs. gray -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:13 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Particle taking uvs from it's emitter Hi all, Is there a way for : Having an emitter (let's say a sphere) with a Texturemap (UV). And having some particles (let's say discs) that would get the portion of UVs of its EmitLocation ? (the litle piece of Uvs corresponding to where it is born) Not the color, the UV. If someone can point me to the correct direction... :) I guess the sampling might be pretty long with 100K and more Particles. Thank's a lot. Olivier -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I do agree with most of the general comments but, my point is more regarding to a general status... Can we stay positive for a change? Also is that so hard to understand that users make no true differences for AD. what make true differences is your CEO/CTO/Head of Technologies... They have to keep fighting for Softimage, and most of the time these people are not active on this mailing list but still they receive the message or are aware of the feeling... If they start to believe Softimage is doomed because the community is not there, then Softimage is definitely doomed... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: Actually if you read better you will see that SI users are supporting SI even more, and doom and gloom is not toward SI it self but to AD and what it is doing to it. Recent pol on si-community is confirming what most people feels, even if they kill SI will rather continue to use it in it;s current state than to switch to another AD product. So it is nothing negative towards Softimage, actually quite opposite. They are promoting ICE only and face robot tool that hasn;t bin touched in years, and promoting max as all around tool? Mote SI users never touched ICE then the did and are still using Softimage daily and mostly as small teams or freelancers one man show which is SI's strength. Get things done! It is the best character animation tool out there with best non linear workflow. I mean cmon, maya is running on glass legs and if you don;t have team of TDs to support you you can just wait till it's comes crumbling all over you as it does not leave any room for mistakes. ANyway again it is not negativity toward software, but towards how it is presented by AD. So when you have user base that feels so strongly about their software and feels like having part of them self's ripped from them.. what does it says about that particular software? is that really hard to understand? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.comwrote: Honestly I do respect a lot Luc-Eric, but he cannot know AD's almighty plan for Softimage and they can kill it tomorrow... I do not care that much since I do not control that part. But one thing for sure, as long as they make money with it Softimagewill still work on it and each time you are acting negatively toward Softimage, you are in the end putting the knife even further into the wound since studios, school, 3rd party developers will simply go away and switch for another software. If this is what you are trying to do, I think that you are succeeding... Otherwise, you need/want to vent or event spit your emotions somewhere... Just contact your AD representative it is not hard to find who he /she is and explain the situation. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: That was Edy and Xavier. I'm not a Nutella fan. Xavier is however... a nutell fiend! - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and want to vent. seems the perfect place for it -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
For Softimage to disappear I believe that we must disappear first. As Mirko stated. A lot of us will continue using Softimage even if AD kills it or relagates it to a Tool status at their website. As long as 3d party developers keep providing for Softimage we will still continue to buy licenses of their great work. Miquel Campos has done an awsome job with Gear and the new tools completely free. Also Eric, Ben, Erick, Michael, etc... a long with us are the ones that keep the life of Softimage more than AD. I have noticed that some new studios are chosing Softimage above Maya as to have Maya into a production pipeline you will still need a whole team of guys writing tools. A studio here making his full first 3d long film just recently, chose Softimage. Most of the guys hired were and I say were Mayans. I recently talked to one of them and he told me he had been in darkness using Maya for his whole career. Now that he took the bite, even after the movie is done, he and a lot of others will stick to Softimage. So we are positive. AD is blind. Promoting Softimage as an additional tool in which the only thing valuable is ICE and FaceRobot pf... 2013/9/30 Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.com I do agree with most of the general comments but, my point is more regarding to a general status... Can we stay positive for a change? Also is that so hard to understand that users make no true differences for AD. what make true differences is your CEO/CTO/Head of Technologies... They have to keep fighting for Softimage, and most of the time these people are not active on this mailing list but still they receive the message or are aware of the feeling... If they start to believe Softimage is doomed because the community is not there, then Softimage is definitely doomed... On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Actually if you read better you will see that SI users are supporting SI even more, and doom and gloom is not toward SI it self but to AD and what it is doing to it. Recent pol on si-community is confirming what most people feels, even if they kill SI will rather continue to use it in it;s current state than to switch to another AD product. So it is nothing negative towards Softimage, actually quite opposite. They are promoting ICE only and face robot tool that hasn;t bin touched in years, and promoting max as all around tool? Mote SI users never touched ICE then the did and are still using Softimage daily and mostly as small teams or freelancers one man show which is SI's strength. Get things done! It is the best character animation tool out there with best non linear workflow. I mean cmon, maya is running on glass legs and if you don;t have team of TDs to support you you can just wait till it's comes crumbling all over you as it does not leave any room for mistakes. ANyway again it is not negativity toward software, but towards how it is presented by AD. So when you have user base that feels so strongly about their software and feels like having part of them self's ripped from them.. what does it says about that particular software? is that really hard to understand? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Gregory Ducatel gduca...@gmail.comwrote: Honestly I do respect a lot Luc-Eric, but he cannot know AD's almighty plan for Softimage and they can kill it tomorrow... I do not care that much since I do not control that part. But one thing for sure, as long as they make money with it Softimagewill still work on it and each time you are acting negatively toward Softimage, you are in the end putting the knife even further into the wound since studios, school, 3rd party developers will simply go away and switch for another software. If this is what you are trying to do, I think that you are succeeding... Otherwise, you need/want to vent or event spit your emotions somewhere... Just contact your AD representative it is not hard to find who he /she is and explain the situation. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: That was Edy and Xavier. I'm not a Nutella fan. Xavier is however... a nutell fiend! - Eric T. On 30/09/2013 4:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's the thing you were doing with Edy and the jar of nutella when you had him wear the blond wig, I believe. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: Sorry, what is Mollycoddling? :P On September-30-13 4:20:23 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: You can't be seriously suggesting that the naysayers and doom merchants (of which there aren't really any) on this list are responsible for the steady decline we've seen SI fall into ? It's a list for discussion, help and general softimage-ness. not a forum for mollycoddling the precious egos of those upon high. if every positive thread turns into frustrated rants it's because people are frustrated and
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Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I think the point being made is that it's too frequent. Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch session very quickly. I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but this has officially become the complaints list. That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, have subscribed to it. If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us who're tired of it will simply leave. I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd foaming at the mouth. Regarding the efforts to stay positive, which I've seen mentioned by several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything else, really. It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying I'm not racist, BUT, and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows. Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think this is certainly a good place to do so. This is a mailing list for the users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching. And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all from me. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
well, there used to be discuss...@softimage.com where Porl, Kim and Ed would discuss the merits of cheese, and FNARR would grace every other suggestive post. Maybe we need to startup: bitchwhinem...@softimage.com and keep the negativity there. I just try and stay out of the negativity.. period. Doesn't help me one iota. Now.. anyone for a wheel of creamy Brie? On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: I think the point being made is that it's too frequent. Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch session very quickly. I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but this has officially become the complaints list. That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, have subscribed to it. If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us who're tired of it will simply leave. I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd foaming at the mouth. Regarding the efforts to stay positive, which I've seen mentioned by several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything else, really. It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying I'm not racist, BUT, and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows. Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think this is certainly a good place to do so. This is a mailing list for the users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching. And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all from me. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
It depends if it's French or Tasmanian brie :) --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2013/10/1 Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com well, there used to be discuss...@softimage.com where Porl, Kim and Ed would discuss the merits of cheese, and FNARR would grace every other suggestive post. Maybe we need to startup: bitchwhinem...@softimage.com and keep the negativity there. I just try and stay out of the negativity.. period. Doesn't help me one iota. Now.. anyone for a wheel of creamy Brie? -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
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I'll agree it's too frequent and I don't condone having every other thread deteriorate into a bitch fest. I think it is a place to voice some concerns and issues but the list has turned into something indecipherable to what it was a few years ago. I don't like jumping into the threads in a negative manner and most likely I'm letting myself get caught up in it. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
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I aggree, I think complaints should be adressed to the people in charge (product manager ot whatever it is called). --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2013/10/1 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com I think the point being made is that it's too frequent. Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch session very quickly. I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but this has officially become the complaints list. That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, have subscribed to it. If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us who're tired of it will simply leave. I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd foaming at the mouth. Regarding the efforts to stay positive, which I've seen mentioned by several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything else, really. It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying I'm not racist, BUT, and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows. Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think this is certainly a good place to do so. This is a mailing list for the users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching. And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all from me. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
I agree too. 2013/9/30 Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.com I aggree, I think complaints should be adressed to the people in charge (product manager ot whatever it is called). --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2013/10/1 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com I think the point being made is that it's too frequent. Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch session very quickly. I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but this has officially become the complaints list. That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, have subscribed to it. If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us who're tired of it will simply leave. I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd foaming at the mouth. Regarding the efforts to stay positive, which I've seen mentioned by several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything else, really. It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying I'm not racist, BUT, and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows. Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think this is certainly a good place to do so. This is a mailing list for the users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching. And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all from me. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote: As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
Usually I don't participate in rants. To me it is a waste of time unless we are sure that people that can change things inside AD are sincerely listening and your wish is their command. The list has been a place for me to share and learn. I don't think any ranting is getting us anywhere other than filling mailboxes with messages of doom decreasing productivity / creativity to some extent. Anybody, for whom Softimage is a moneymaking part of his / her life knows the state of affair enough already. So let's just move on and direct our energy more towards creativity, problem solving, helping and sharing. If you want things to change ranting is not going to do it. You are barking up the wrong tree. Find other avenues where your words will be worthwhile. If you want to just vent out your anger or frustration, hit a pillow, burst a paper bag, pop a bubble wrap and get back to work. Alok. On 2013-09-30, at 9:49 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: I agree too. 2013/9/30 Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.com I aggree, I think complaints should be adressed to the people in charge (product manager ot whatever it is called). --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2013/10/1 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com I think the point being made is that it's too frequent. Even a positive thread, such as the vein this was started in, becomes a bitch session very quickly. I disagree this is the place to constantly, incessantly and exclusively whinge and bitch and whine. Some on key disturbances or negatives, sure, but this has officially become the complaints list. That is not why I, or many others who elect to stay silent in these regards, have subscribed to it. If the majority of people think, however, that that's how it should be used, then I'm sure things will work out that way eventually, and those of us who're tired of it will simply leave. I've had my finger on the unsubscribe email more than once at this point, and I sure don't feel encourage to post when the near totality of what is going on is a bunch of people asking trivial questions interspersing a crowd foaming at the mouth. Regarding the efforts to stay positive, which I've seen mentioned by several people, I can't say I'm witnessing any. When not a single e-mail is positive you can't call that an honest effort to stay positive, or anything else, really. It sounds more and more, when people mention it, like the people saying I'm not racist, BUT, and then a retarded backwater racism comment follows. Sorry Eric, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think think this is certainly a good place to do so. This is a mailing list for the users, chiefly, so all you're doing is annoying the hell out of the few who have elected to not cry over themselves the whole day as a past time, and constantly rile the already angry ones into this vicious circle of bitching. And since my participation to the mailing list seems to frequently turn to whinging about the whining, and the irony isn't lost on me, that'll be all from me. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: As a user and 3rd party developer I think it's well deserved. Even if AD wasn't doing a pretty poor job at marketing (though the recent posts were very nice to see as an effort being put forward), they aren't doing much to inspire the 3rd party devs to continue to develop it. Even Luc-Eric is doing a fair good job on si-community to scare away any potential / 3rd party Softimage devs saying that he believes they will dry up within a few years. Yes it's his opinion but why wouldn't it carry some weight from his history / position. We need a place to complain. An AD hosted mailing list is certainly a good place to do so since they don't really have another decent place to do so. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard to with the minimal communication we're getting. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
Re: Kudos AD - Soft gets some promotion
If you want things to change let management know directly. Inundate AD mailboxes letting them know that you will NOT move to Maya, and start giving your money to someone else, be it Fabric, The Foundry, SideFX, Exo etc. If you have rigging and animation requirements, which leaves you kind of out to hang since it's either Soft or Maya, then you can either let them know that you will not buy into Maya and will just stick to whatever the last version of Soft will be until it's well outlived (which a number of people did with Soft|3D), and try offsetting things to another platform and affecting that so it covers that animation gap hoping it will catch up by the time Soft will have become unusable, or if you're OK sticking with AD and you are so positive Soft will be dead start steering Maya around (which has a lively enough development right now) so that it won't suck as much for you when you'll have to move to it. Those are things that have a genuine chance to have an impact on YOUR work (or hobby) hours, because at the end of the day you should remind yourself that's what we're talking about here, making sure you get tools that don't suck. If posting angry complaints about marketing on the mailing list had ANY effect whatsoever by now there should be F'in billboard with Softimage on it on my way to work given the amount of complaints that have been aired in here. Given I fail to notice any, and I have decent enough eyesight, I suggest those who are so afraid they will be stuck with tools that suck start doing something that has a genuine chance to positively affect their future. If all it is is anger and the need to vent for the sake of it, then reddit might be a better venue. -- To unsubscribe: mail softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with subject unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation email.
