Re: Does a _VIABLE_ SeaMonkey USENET group already exist?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2021-04-01 9:48 a.m., Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

I found netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey on both nntp.aioe.org and
news.eternal-september.org.  Messages were posted there as recently as
today.


Not viable.  It is hosted on the Mozilla servers and is presumably 
going to be terminated at the same time.



The netscape.public.* hierarchy is on Usenet, and was on Usenet before 
this server existed. Those newsgroups will still be available on Usenet 
when this server shuts down.


The inability to close down or rename old newsgroups is one of the 
reasons why these groups are not fed to Usenet.



For more information, see 
<https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html>




I stand corrected.  I had seen that the netscape.public groups were on 
the Mozilla servers and had assumed that they "owned" the groups.


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Re: Opening about:xxxx via links

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EE wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/31/21 5:32 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
I have a low-priority question which is going to have to be asked 
now - before the forum dies.


If I want to make - say - "about:memory" clickable from a web page, 
how do I go about it?  I've tried the obvious href="about:memory">about:memory along with various other 
alternatives such as http://about:memory but none of them work.


The reason for this is that my Seamonkey becomes slow to 
non-responsive after a few hours and the least intrusive way of 
fixing this is to do a full cleanup of SM's memory usage.
Sometimes I mistype and pass the request along to a search engine, 
opening the page from my "home page" would be cleaner.  There are 
some other "about" options I use less often, putting them in the 
home-page would also be helpful.



Open the about:memory page and bookmark it?



Would be nice if I could add a pref-bar button for this.  Just tried 
it and went from 2.1G to 1.2G here.


Dave


Put the bookmark on the bookmarks toolbar.



That is what Walt suggested - as you can see.
I implemented that and it worked, then I replied to thank him.  That was 
yesterday and obviously did not work.


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Re: Does a _VIABLE_ SeaMonkey USENET group already exist?

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/30/2021 4:39 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I access USENET via news.supernews.com .
It carries netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey .
Its activity has be quite low {~600 posts in last decade}.
Will whatever is causing the demise of mozilla.support.seamonkey be
automatically fatal to it also?
Is it carried by enough news servers to be viable?
Sub-question: Is it carried by popular free($) news servers?



I found netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey on both nntp.aioe.org and
news.eternal-september.org.  Messages were posted there as recently as
today.



Not viable.  It is hosted on the Mozilla servers and is presumably going 
to be terminated at the same time.


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Re: Opening about:xxxx via links

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David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/31/21 5:32 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
I have a low-priority question which is going to have to be asked now 
- before the forum dies.


If I want to make - say - "about:memory" clickable from a web page, 
how do I go about it?  I've tried the obvious href="about:memory">about:memory along with various other 
alternatives such as http://about:memory but none of them work.


The reason for this is that my Seamonkey becomes slow to 
non-responsive after a few hours and the least intrusive way of 
fixing this is to do a full cleanup of SM's memory usage.
Sometimes I mistype and pass the request along to a search engine, 
opening the page from my "home page" would be cleaner.  There are 
some other "about" options I use less often, putting them in the 
home-page would also be helpful.



Open the about:memory page and bookmark it?



Would be nice if I could add a pref-bar button for this.  Just tried it 
and went from 2.1G to 1.2G here.


Dave


Going from 2.1G to 1.2G is nice to have.
After a few hours, my Seamonkey will get "busy" for a second every few 
seconds. This is seriously annoying when I'm - for example - composing a 
mail.
What I have discovered is that running "Minimise memory usage" fixes the 
problem.  Before that I'd terminate and restart Seamonkey, specifying 
"Restore previous session".  That is not "nice to have", it's "must have".


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Opening about:xxxx via links

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

I have a low-priority question which is going to have to be asked now - 
before the forum dies.


If I want to make - say - "about:memory" clickable from a web page, how 
do I go about it?  I've tried the obvious href="about:memory">about:memory along with various other 
alternatives such as http://about:memory but none of them work.


The reason for this is that my Seamonkey becomes slow to non-responsive 
after a few hours and the least intrusive way of fixing this is to do a 
full cleanup of SM's memory usage.
Sometimes I mistype and pass the request along to a search engine, 
opening the page from my "home page" would be cleaner.  There are some 
other "about" options I use less often, putting them in the home-page 
would also be helpful.


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Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Bret Busby wrote:

Please see the message below.

I note that this list is hosted on lists.mozilla.org

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From: Chris Ilias 
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400
Subject: **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON**
To: mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org

*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).


*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3


*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear.

Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.


*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at
https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.

If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called
"mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to
download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.


*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support

If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.


*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.


*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org

My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias



I'm wondering whether it is worth the effort of downloading the almost 
116000 messages on this newsgroup.  If one person does it - and I'm 
trying - then maybe everyone else who wants it won't need to.  I'm not 
up to hosting a server with all this but if someone else is . . .

Oh, and some stuff won't be in any copy I make:
- Support the Fork.
- ANYTHINGI BY THATI LUNATICI, you know the one.

I have a Thunderbird profile just for mozilla.support.seamonkey

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Re: Installing Sea Monkey 2.53.6

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Vivian S. Ramalingam wrote:
I have completed installing 2.53.6 (from 2.49.5) but I keep getting 
request to install every time I open Sea Monkey. Docs tells me it is 
already installed. I completed useragent string reset, but I'm still 
getting the notice.


PLZ help!

Vivian Ramalingam


You are running on a Mac?

The only thing I can think of which could cause that is moving from a 
32-bit Seamonkey to a 64-bit version without uninstalling the 32-bit one 
first, but that applies to Windows.  No idea about Macs.



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Re: WINDOWS 10 UPGRADE WITH SEAMONKEY V 2.33.1

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/21/21 3:18 PM, BER wrote:

Hello,
Please see my email below. I have decided to upgrade to Windows 10. 
Will Version 2.33.1 work with Windows 10 and should I be able to 
upgrade to the latest version of Seamonkey?

Thank you
Brenda


Upgrading has been broken for several versions so you need to do a new 
installation.


The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.53.6: The new 
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now 
! 2.53.6 is an incremental 
update from the 2.53.x branch and incorporates a number of changes, 
including improved usability of multiple mailboxes/folders selection, 
Greek localization, and fixes from the underlying platform code. 
*Before installing it make a full backup of your profile and 
thoroughly read and follow the Release Notes 
*. 


At the very top of those Release Notes it states:

*You MUST absolutely do a full backup of your profile before upgrading 
from a version earlier than SeaMonkey 2.53.1. This version of 
SeaMonkey makes changes to your profile that can't be reverted in 
cases where you need to go back to the older version.*


*Automatic upgrades from previous versions are currently disabled for 
this release. Please download the full installer from the downloads 
section and install SeaMonkey 2.53.6 manually over the previous version.*




Hope that helps.

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You forgot to point out that - starting with 2.48.5 - Windows versions 
of Seamonkey come as 32-bit and as 64-bit versions.  If you move between 
the two you need to deinstall the old version (after downloading the new 
one) before installing the new one.


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Re: Password managers

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Norman Fuchs wrote:
I have never used a password manager, but I am being pushed to use one. 
But I'd like to know if any of them are compatible with SeaMonkey. Can 
someone help me, please?


What I'm about to say is based on what I have read - and possibly 
misunderstood - rather than personal experience.
- The Seamonkey password manager is "more secure" if you have a master 
password.
- There were some very unpleasant side-effects associated with 
master-passwords when moving between Seamonkey 2.49.x and 2.53.x.  I 
know that reverting from 2.53.x to 2.49.x was disastrous but I'm not 
sure that going forwards was that easy either.
- According to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Master_password (hopefully 
current), it is easy to remove such a password to simplify things before 
an upgrade.


Now, I see you have 2.53.6 and I'm not expecting any problems between 
that level and other 2.53.x levels.  Things might get a bit "sporty" 
between that and 2.57.x, no experience there either.


I have never had a master password myself, maybe less secure but a lot 
safer.


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Re: Settings for IMAP account for Yahoo

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/11/21 11:08 AM, JAS wrote:
What are the settings for setting up a Yahoo account in Seamonkey mail 
or will even a IMAP account work. I have several POP account with 
Yahoo that I have disabled as they do not work anymore.


JAS






More results here 



Why would anyone want to use Yahoo after the hack years ago?


  August 2013 breach



*Read all about it!*



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Re: iTV-Discovery +

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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
The way I remember it, the then Firefox "chairman" (whatever the 
position is called) made the decision to support DRM.  The decision 
was not popular and there are ways of configuring FF to disable that 
feature.  The whole discussion was a couple of years back so I'm short 
on details but the search engine of your choice should throw them up 
for anyone who cares.
Part of the argument made at the time in supporting the DRM stuff is 
that DRM is here to stay (because Hollywood insists on it) and that its 
better to have DRM that's at least somewhat standardized rather than 
needing different proprietary crap for every different site or something.


That is close to what the Mozilla chair said, his argument was that 
people would move to another browser if FF did not support this stuff.
We use Seamonkey, but we're used to having to use another browser now 
and then anyway.


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Re: iTV-Discovery +

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 04/03/2021 23:37, JAS wrote:

JAS wrote:
My new fiber optic internet and TV is thru iTV(mine is gpcitv.net) 
none of the movies or cable channels will ply using Seamonkey, I us 
SM 2.49.5 and my wife uses Sm 2.53.6 but both of us get a error when 
trying to view ...
Meant to say that on Firefox 86--Iron  87.0.4450.0 --Google Chrome 
88.0.4324.190 every thing plays fine --I can log in on Seamonkey and 
see all the video,etc but get and when they are clicked on.


SeaMonkey doesn't support DRM-protected HTML5 video, which (now that 
Flash and Silverlight are passé) is the only way that some commercial 
streaming services will play.


Although Firefox has (was forced to?) incorporate an interface to the 
required proprietary modules, the interface has never been fully 
developed in SeaMonkey, due to a combination of priorities and 
objections in principle.


If you want to watch those videos with the least tang of G in your 
mouth, carry on with FF86.


/df



The way I remember it, the then Firefox "chairman" (whatever the 
position is called) made the decision to support DRM.  The decision was 
not popular and there are ways of configuring FF to disable that 
feature.  The whole discussion was a couple of years back so I'm short 
on details but the search engine of your choice should throw them up for 
anyone who cares.


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Re: Blocking spam

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 23/02/2021 22:54, Ray_Net wrote:

...>

Based on this: % Information related to '81.29.0.0 - 81.29.15.255' ?
together with your idea ... I have created such a filter - it works 
pretty well. (tedious to create)


If it works really well, you could add a Delete action after mMrking as 
Junk!


/df



Dangerous.  I'd always want to make sure before deleting, "Delete Mail 
Marked as Junk in Folder" can then be used.


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Re: Blocking spam

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NFN Smith wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Frosted Flake wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

CC D wrote:

How do I block email addresses from unwanted spam. When I get these
emails I hit the spam button but they keep coming back.



Are you trying to block this content from inside Seamonkey?  If so, 
I recommend that you don't bother.


These days, most servers have user-tunable spam filters active.  If 
you're getting unwanted content, the first thing to do is to check 
your webmail client, and use the offered tool for marking messages 
as Spam there.





Sounds good EXCEPT - - this does not work with comcast/xfinity.


Handling varies from provider to provider.  Some do things well, some 
not so well. (more below)


In about mid March I'm going to delete that email account and create 
a new one with a different name that my correspondents can use.  
(This one gets very little useful/real/non-SPAM so it should not be 
too difficult to notify this that use it to contact me.)




I have had to do this once or twice.
I created the new address, told all my legitimate correspondents to 
use it, monitored the old one for a few weeks, told all remaining 
legitimate correspondents to USE THE NEW ONE and then nuked the old 
one altogether.   There was no reason to do it all at once.
  This is one reason (among several) that I tend to discourage people 
from making significant use of email done by a connectivity provider 
(e.g., "no extra charge"). For the connectivity providers, email is 
merely an added on service, and they often don't have sufficient 
commitment to do it well.  The better approach is to do your email 
through a provider that specializes in email (and has a commitment to 
support it).  There are some free providers out there that may be 
adequate -- from the little bits that I've seen, both GMX and mail.com 
seem to be OK.  You don't have to resort to doing something like Gmail, 
Hotmail or Yahoo.  However, for paid providers, prices are often in the 
range of $30 US to $50 per year.


Besides better service, the another advantage of using a separate mail 
provider is that it means that you're not tied to the connectivity 
provider.  Years ago, when I moved to a new location, I found that my 
then-current ISP couldn't serve me at the new location, and I had to 
change ISPs (and do it quickly enough that it was disruptive).  Later 
on, I had moved to a separate mail provider, and when I found it useful 
to switch ISPs, it had no effect on my mail. Thus, I don't even bother 
with the mail that is provided by my current ISP.  And I've found that 
with travel, a lot of ISPs won't let you send mail unless you're sending 
from their IP addresses -- you can send from their web client, but not 
an external client.


Smith



I switched ISPs 18 months ago, my old ISP (T-Online) offers a free email 
service where I just had to register to continue using it.  That email 
address is unchanged.  They already permitted me to receive / send 
emails from outside their network, rather essential if you are traveling 
internationally with a laptop.  My new ISP also permits that, and I had 
an email address with them before I even joined them.  Maybe things are 
different in the US or with - how do I put it - asshole ISPs.  The 
service does not cost them much and it's good advertising.


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Re: Blocking spam

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Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 21-02-21 21:38:

On 2/21/21 1:12 PM, CC D wrote:
How do I block email addresses from unwanted spam. When I get 
these emails I hit the spam button but they keep coming back.



Are they from the same address?

I would create a filter and move them to Trash.

Also check the Junk filter settings.

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I have two spam-mail at 6h30 and 23h30 each day.
All mails are totally different . the only partially fixed part 
is that line:


"Received: from news1.afrophree.com (news1.afrophree.com 
[81.29.1.46] (may be forged))"


The names of the news servers are always didderrent and thei domain 
is NOT part of the ip adress.


The ip-adresses are always different, but still of the same domain 
which is: iahoster.com


How can I create a filter to catch the range ip-adresses -->
% Information related to '81.29.0.0 - 81.29.15.255' ?


If you are on windows you can add iahoster.com to your hosts file and 
redirect the domain name to 127.


I may well be wrong on this, but I don't think adding something to the 
hosts file (which exists for Linux and probably MacOS as well) is 
going to fix anything.  The effect of that is to stop *you* speaking 
to *them* by name, why should that affect incoming mails?


I don't know if that will work with emails or not.  Have never tried it 
so may be totally wrong.  For web stuff it sends anything from the 
offending domain to 127.0.0.1, effectively null space, so I never see it.


It works on communication initiated by your device.  If you browse the 
web-page https://www.generic-news-site.com/23/02/2021/current.html and 
that non-existent page contains links to www.facebook.com and 
googleadservices.com, "hosts" entries for those two sites will redirect 
your browser to your own machine while trying to follow those links. 
This might mean you can't display the page, "waiting . . . ".


With an email client, you open a conversation to smtp.emailprovider.com 
(yeah) to retrieve the mails.  There is no direct communication between 
your machine and the server where the spam originates so fiddling 
"hosts" will not work.
Having a "hosts" entry for smtp.emailprovider.com would be very 
effective, you would no longer be able to retrieve any mails at all. 
That pesky false-positive problem!
One final comment to "hosts" under Windows, the virus-scanner I used to 
use routinely deleted lines from that file.  I suppose the reasoning was 
that a trojan could manipulate that file as an attack vector.


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Re: Blocking spam

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Frosted Flake wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

CC D wrote:

How do I block email addresses from unwanted spam. When I get these
emails I hit the spam button but they keep coming back.



Are you trying to block this content from inside Seamonkey?  If so, I 
recommend that you don't bother.


These days, most servers have user-tunable spam filters active.  If 
you're getting unwanted content, the first thing to do is to check 
your webmail client, and use the offered tool for marking messages as 
Spam there.


There are multiple benefits to using the server's tools as your 
primary spam filter. The major one is that the server is better able 
to handle spam based on your stated preferences, and where the 
handling is focused on the entire message content (including all 
headers and body), rather than specific content.  From there, those 
preferences are applied at the time the message is being received by 
the server.  And if a specific message is designated as spam (or not 
spam), then similar message will be handled in the same way.  And 
tagging a message as spam is generally enough to get content delivered 
to a spam folder, and depending on server implementation, enough to 
cause future content that's sufficiently similar to be rejected by the 
server entirely.


Therefore, even if an incoming message purports to be being sent by 
somebody you know, if it's spam, it's safe to designate as spam, 
because the filter is applied to the entire message, not just the 
From: or Subject: lines.


As a general thing, it's not worth the effort to do spam-filtering in 
Seamonkey. It's common for spammers to randomize as much as possible, 
and if you're trying to create filtering rules, by the time you figure 
out a usable pattern to block a specific message or two, it's unlikely 
that you'll ever see another message that matches that pattern.


In other words, it's not worth the effort to do spam-filtering from 
Seamonkey unless you're getting content from a source that's unusually 
constant in flow and consistent in content.


Smith

Sounds good EXCEPT - - this does not work with comcast/xfinity.

I have ONE email address with them that gets at least one, usually two 
every day since the beginning of the year.  (I don't have any 
recollection of this happening so often earlier).  However, EVERY one of 
them has been marked as SPAM in Seamonkey, AND EVERY one of them has 
been marked as SPAM in the Comcast Email, AND EVERY one of them has been 
sent to comcast at missed-s...@comcast.net, AND since mid February, I 
have taken to forwarding the entire list (currently 61 emails) to both 
"missed-s...@comcast.net" and "ab...@comcast.net".  I have six other 
email addresses with comcast, NONE of them get this quantity of SPAM.
THe main thing that they have in common is a size less than 6-8 KB, 
anything larger is usually a Phishing email.
In about mid March I'm going to delete that email account and create a 
new one with a different name that my correspondents can use.  (This one 
gets very little useful/real/non-SPAM so it should not be too difficult 
to notify this that use it to contact me.)




I have had to do this once or twice.
I created the new address, told all my legitimate correspondents to use 
it, monitored the old one for a few weeks, told all remaining legitimate 
correspondents to USE THE NEW ONE and then nuked the old one altogether. 
 There was no reason to do it all at once.


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Re: Blocking spam

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David H. Durgee wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 22-02-21 11:41:

On 21/02/2021 22:44, Ray_Net wrote:

...>

I have two spam-mail at 6h30 and 23h30 each day.
All mails are totally different . the only partially fixed part 
is that line:


"Received: from news1.afrophree.com (news1.afrophree.com 
[81.29.1.46] (may be forged))"


The names of the news servers are always didderrent and thei domain 
is NOT part of the ip adress.


The ip-adresses are always different, but still of the same domain 
which is: iahoster.com


How can I create a filter to catch the range ip-adresses -->
% Information related to '81.29.0.0 - 81.29.15.255' ?

Create a message filter. Use the Customise... entry in the header 
pull-down to add the Received header to the menu. Filter on 
"Received" "contains" ".afrophree.com" -> Set Junk Status.


/df

Sorry ... your idea doesnot work, because the domain names are always 
different the only fixed part is the ip adress range.from '81.29.0.0 
to 81.29.15.255

Examples:
Received: from web-1.multhe.com (web-1.multhe.com [81.29.1.178] (may 
be forged))
Received: from news1.afrophree.com (news1.afrophree.com [81.29.1.46] 
(may be forged))
Received: from cloud-1.produchic.com (cloud-1.produchic.com 
[81.29.1.244] (may be forged))
Received: from cloud-1.alizarcresit.com (cloud-1.alizarcresit.com 
[81.29.1.47] (may be forged))
Received: from secure-1.boonawkerien.com (secure-1.boonawkerien.com 
[81.29.1.238] (may be forged))




Perhaps you could filter on the "(may be forged)" which is present in 
all of them?


Dave


That will work, if you want a large number of false-positives.  I think 
that text is inserted by the email client when it is not sure about the 
sender, I see it frequently in legitimate mail.


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Re: Blocking spam

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Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 21-02-21 21:38:

On 2/21/21 1:12 PM, CC D wrote:
How do I block email addresses from unwanted spam. When I get these 
emails I hit the spam button but they keep coming back.



Are they from the same address?

I would create a filter and move them to Trash.

Also check the Junk filter settings.

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I have two spam-mail at 6h30 and 23h30 each day.
All mails are totally different . the only partially fixed part is 
that line:


"Received: from news1.afrophree.com (news1.afrophree.com [81.29.1.46] 
(may be forged))"


The names of the news servers are always didderrent and thei domain is 
NOT part of the ip adress.


The ip-adresses are always different, but still of the same domain 
which is: iahoster.com


How can I create a filter to catch the range ip-adresses -->
% Information related to '81.29.0.0 - 81.29.15.255' ?


If you are on windows you can add iahoster.com to your hosts file and 
redirect the domain name to 127.


I may well be wrong on this, but I don't think adding something to the 
hosts file (which exists for Linux and probably MacOS as well) is going 
to fix anything.  The effect of that is to stop *you* speaking to *them* 
by name, why should that affect incoming mails?



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Re: Need to Save My Password

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Danny Kile wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:
Some time in the past I was login into a web site and SM asked me if 
I wanted to save my Login User/Name and Password. Declined at the 
time, however, I would like SM to save my UserName/Password how do I 
get SM to ask me gain?


Thank you for the responses,

Danny


What I *think* should work is:
- Tools -> Data Manager
- Enter the Site Name into that box (make sure you get it exactly right)
- Look and see what you find under "Preferences", delete the one which 
looks suspicious.


If that fails then I'd consider deleting *all* Data-Entries for that 
site.


If that fails then I'd try:
- Go (in the Browser window) -> History
- Enter the site name into the box at the top
- Right Click on the correct line
- Forget about this site.

Those steps should be two ways of achieving the same aim, where the 
second one is the sledgehammer method.  The problem is, I hardly ever 
refuse to allow SM to store a password so I don't have any examples of 
data which I can test with.


I tried all the methods above in the order listed, none of them resolved 
issue.


Any other things to try. Thank you!


I've been in hospital for a couple of days but have no new suggestions 
anyway.


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Re: Need to Save My Password

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Danny Kile wrote:
Some time in the past I was login into a web site and SM asked me if I 
wanted to save my Login User/Name and Password. Declined at the time, 
however, I would like SM to save my UserName/Password how do I get SM to 
ask me gain?


Thank you for the responses,

Danny


What I *think* should work is:
- Tools -> Data Manager
- Enter the Site Name into that box (make sure you get it exactly right)
- Look and see what you find under "Preferences", delete the one which 
looks suspicious.


If that fails then I'd consider deleting *all* Data-Entries for that site.

If that fails then I'd try:
- Go (in the Browser window) -> History
- Enter the site name into the box at the top
- Right Click on the correct line
- Forget about this site.

Those steps should be two ways of achieving the same aim, where the 
second one is the sledgehammer method.  The problem is, I hardly ever 
refuse to allow SM to store a password so I don't have any examples of 
data which I can test with.


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Re: Getting back to 2.49.5, but for how long ?

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Rubens wrote:

NFN Smith wrote on 05/02/2021 17:44:



Does anybody know which future Seamonkey version is planned to 
support WebEx ?


WebEx is planned for 2.57, but isn't imminent, and developer notes 
indicate that there hasn't been any serious work started on 
implementation.


I do have an alpha of 2.57 installed, and in the current status, the 
browser pretty much works, but that's it.  The Mail and News client is 
not working, and there's no support for extensions, whether XUL or 
WebEx, and I don't expect any changes any time soon.


Smith


That is unfortunate.

When testing 2.53.6 it seemed to be faster and compatible with more 
websites.


But I still can wait for 2.57, let's see then.


Rubens




I find 2.53.x levels slower than 2.49.x levels, but - as you say - 
compatible with more websites.  My 2.53.5 has an unfortunate tendency to 
lock up one of my processors if I visit certain websites.  The only way 
out is to quit the program, restart and then "Restore Previous Session". 
 Of course I lose my "Private Browsing" session.


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Re: SeaMonkey Upgrade 2.39 to 2.53.6

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NFN Smith wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:



Looking at https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#old_unofficial 
I'd say things are not as bad as they look.  The releases after 2.39 
were: 2.40, 2.46, 2.48, 2.49.x and 2.53.x.
Lemuel Johnson points out that the current release notes suggest 
installing 2.49.5 first and then upgrading, none of the levels between 
2.39 and 2.49.5 made any such recommendation.


I concur that doing 2.49.5 as an intermediary is something that you want 
to do.



Can we assume she did not have a master password set?


As a general thing, before upgrading, make sure you get a backup of your 
user profile.  In Windows, the fastest way of doing that is copying the 
contents of %APPDATA%\Seamonkey to another location.


2.39 was only available as a 32-bit version, 2.49.5 was the very first 
level which also came as a 64-bit version (talking Windows here).  In 
order to move from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version you will need to 
uninstall the old one and then install the new one.  This does not 
hurt the profile.  (I'm assuming a 64-bit Windows 8).




If moving from 32 to 64, you definitely want to uninstall the 32 bit 
version first.  32 and 64 install to different directories (\Program 
Files (x86) and \Program Files, respectively), and it is possible to 
have both versions installed simultaneously, which you don't want.  An 
uninstall will give you the option of keeping your existing profile, 
which you do want.


One other caution -- as with Firefox, Seamonkey profiles are now no 
longer backward compatible.  Firefox started doing that at around 
version 55.  I forget where Seamonkey started doing that -- perhaps with 
2.53.  Thus, if a profile has been touched by a newer version of 
Seamonkey, you can't downgrade to an older version without risk of data 
loss.  Thus, it's always good to get a backup of your profile before 
upgrading (even 2.53.5 to 2.53.6), just in case.


Smith




If you look at the "Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6" thread you will see 
someone - Daniel - who shares a profile between 2.49.1 and 2.53.6.
Not something I'd ever want to do, but it shows that it is theoretically 
(and practically) possible.  BUT NOT IF YOU HAVE A MASTER PASSWORD.

He's also having problems with Lightning.
The upgrade instructions say that you can't fall back from a 2.53.x to a 
2.49.x but Daniel is doing just that, regularly.  No way am I going to 
try it.


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Re: Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 4/2/21 10:05 pm:

Daniel wrote:
Today I (finally) updated from SM 2.49.1 to SM 2.53.6 on Linux, as 
shown in my sig file.


On my Win7 installation (updated from SM 2.49.5), after the update, I 
had Lightning starting at SM bootup, but not in Linux which I have 
updated, today, from SM 2.49.1  yes 2.49.1.


Now I seem to recall that in SM 2.49.1, Lightning wasn't "inbuilt" 
but by 2.49.5, it was.


So, when I updated my *Win7* SM from 2.49.5, Lightning worked/works, 
but in Linux (now 2.53.6), checking the Add-ons Manager, Lightning is 
there but I only have the option to "Remove" because "Lightning is 
incompatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6"


How can I get my Lightning up and running??

(Note: when I say I've updated SM, I mean I have installed Linux SM 
2.53.6 in parallel (new location) with SM 2.49.1, but using the same 
profile!)


 From https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/ 
section "Known Issues":
Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or 
is disabled under Add-ons.
If the extension is disabled and can not be enabled deinstall it. If 
it does not show up after restart do the following:


    Enter "about:config" in the location bar.
    Enter "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field.
    Reset the key of the extension not showing up using the popup 
menu with the mouse. If in doubt just reset all keys, but this might 
bring back previously uninstalled distributed Add-ons.

    Restart SeaMonkey.


Thanks for this, Don.

When I entered "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field, I 
had four keys listed 


extensions.installeddistroaddon.debu...@mozilla.org;modified;true;boolean
extensions.installeddistroaddon.inspec...@mozilla.org;modified;true;boolean
extensions.installedDistroAddon.{59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2};modified;true;true 

extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103};modified;true;true 



So I reset the third and fourth keys and, when I restarted SeaMonkey, I 
had just the first two keys left  and still no Lightning/Calendar!! ;-(


Should I try resetting the first two (even though they appear to be 
totally disconnected with Lightning/Calendar)??


As an aside, I consider sharing a profile between 2.49.x and 2.53.x to 
be a horrible idea.  2.53.6 may well change something which 2.49.1 
will no longer understand, 2.49.1 is then liable to decide the file is 
corrupt and do something about it.

ymmv


mmdv!!

For years, I've been sharing a profile between my Win7 SM and my Linux 
SM (even since Mozilla Suite!!)  against the advice of those in the 
know!! Guess I've just been lucky  and my luck continues!


Sharing profiles between different versions on different OS's should 
compound those risks ... but it has worked  so far!! ;-P


Don't know, all I have is
extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103} 
which is set to true
(2.53.6 under Linux), Lightning has always worked for me, even when I 
moved from 2.49.4 to 2.53.3.


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Re: Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6

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Daniel wrote:
Today I (finally) updated from SM 2.49.1 to SM 2.53.6 on Linux, as shown 
in my sig file.


On my Win7 installation (updated from SM 2.49.5), after the update, I 
had Lightning starting at SM bootup, but not in Linux which I have 
updated, today, from SM 2.49.1  yes 2.49.1.


Now I seem to recall that in SM 2.49.1, Lightning wasn't "inbuilt" but 
by 2.49.5, it was.


So, when I updated my *Win7* SM from 2.49.5, Lightning worked/works, but 
in Linux (now 2.53.6), checking the Add-ons Manager, Lightning is there 
but I only have the option to "Remove" because "Lightning is 
incompatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6"


How can I get my Lightning up and running??

(Note: when I say I've updated SM, I mean I have installed Linux SM 
2.53.6 in parallel (new location) with SM 2.49.1, but using the same 
profile!)


From https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/ 
section "Known Issues":

Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or is disabled 
under Add-ons.
If the extension is disabled and can not be enabled deinstall it. If it does 
not show up after restart do the following:

Enter "about:config" in the location bar.
Enter "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field.
Reset the key of the extension not showing up using the popup menu with the 
mouse. If in doubt just reset all keys, but this might bring back previously 
uninstalled distributed Add-ons.
Restart SeaMonkey.


As an aside, I consider sharing a profile between 2.49.x and 2.53.x to 
be a horrible idea.  2.53.6 may well change something which 2.49.1 will 
no longer understand, 2.49.1 is then liable to decide the file is 
corrupt and do something about it.

ymmv

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Re: SeaMonkey Upgrade 2.39 to 2.53.6

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Danny Kile wrote:
My wife's PC has not been upgraded in awhile she is running SM ver. 2.39 
on Windows 8. Can in install SM 2.53.6 directly or should install an 
intermediate version first?


I will backup before installing, like I always do on my PC.

Thank you for the responses in this matter.


Danny,


Looking at https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#old_unofficial 
I'd say things are not as bad as they look.  The releases after 2.39 
were: 2.40, 2.46, 2.48, 2.49.x and 2.53.x.
Lemuel Johnson points out that the current release notes suggest 
installing 2.49.5 first and then upgrading, none of the levels between 
2.39 and 2.49.5 made any such recommendation.

Can we assume she did not have a master password set?
2.39 was only available as a 32-bit version, 2.49.5 was the very first 
level which also came as a 64-bit version (talking Windows here).  In 
order to move from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version you will need to 
uninstall the old one and then install the new one.  This does not hurt 
the profile.  (I'm assuming a 64-bit Windows 8).



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Re: Can't clear offline storage, 2.53.6

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 31/01/2021 14:30, Gerry Hickman wrote:

In my profile is a directory called 'storage', which then has three 
sub-dirs called 'default', 'permanent', 'temporary'. These dirs are 
full of junk like sqlite databases.


Not necessarily junk: see 
 



What is the proper way to clear all this 'storage' so that it doesn't 
keep coming back?


You can experiment with Edit>Preferences>Privacy & Security>Private 
Data>Clear Now... to see if clearing Cache, Cookies, or Offline Website 
Data has any effect. There have been bugs in this area in the past. 
Reading some pages returned by 
 doesn't give me a 
feeling that this area has been well designed, nor that any particular 
SM or FF version has got it right.


/df



My experiences with Firefox in this area have mostly been good, my tests 
with Seamonkey ended up as a basis for a "this is not working" post in 
this forum a few years ago.


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Re: Unable to use SeaMonkey v2.53.6's places.sqlite in Firefox v85.

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EE wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 30/01/2021 09:07, Ant wrote:
... How can I use/import my SeaMonkey's places.sqlite to use in the 
(lat/new)est Firefox like in the past? I don't want to use Firefox's 
Sync.

...


Your problem is  
which remove Places migration from versions older than Firefox 60.


 From the accompanying commit 
, 
we can see that the previous migration cut-off was schema v35/FF52 and 
the commit advances it to schema v43/FF52.


The simplest solution is to use FF78ESR, at least until the next ESR 
version replaces it. As you have chosen to be a "permanent beta" 
tester, that probably isn't a good answer and won't be in the long 
term anyway.


How about this? Have a scrap installation of FF78ESR (or later, as 
many Firefoxes as you need to bridge from SM 2.x to a bleeding edge 
FF). Close SM, copy places.sqlite to a profile in FF78ESR, run that FF 
with that profile, close it, copy the new places.sqlite to FF85 (or 
later, to a subsequent ESR and repeat until you have a compatible 
version).


Alternatively (for a higher degree of difficulty), reviewing the SQL 
that was removed in the commit (in Database::MigrateV36Up() through to 
Database::MigrateV43Up()) could enable one to create a SQLite database 
script that upgrades the schema used in places.sqlite from v35 to a 
compatible version.


/df

Why not just either export the bookmarks as html or back them up as 
sqlite from SeaMonkey and either import them or restore them into 
Firefox?  That would not help with the history, but the bookmarks will 
be preserved.




I believe places.sqlite contains more than just the bookmarks - afaik 
the browsing history also lands there.


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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

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no...@nonospam.org wrote:
Do I understand correctly that Imperva is security software the site is 
using to block access from "unapproved" browsers? If so, IMHO the 
SeaMonkey team at least needs to take steps to prevent this from locking 
up the browser as is happening now. I know how to kill the process with 
Task Manager, but less computer-savvy users may be stymied.


John



We don't really know why Imperva is blocking access.  I did a web search 
on "website blocked by imperva" and one of the first links it threw up 
was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/error-codes.htm
Another was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/settings/security-settings.htm 
- that could maybe help more.
There's a list of Client IDs and their codes in there, Firefox is 1, 
Seamonkey is 45.
When I try and access https://www.jewelosco.com/ I get Error 16 and the 
first link gives that as

The request was blocked based on your security settings (Bot Access Control or 
Block Specific Sources) in the Cloud Security Console. For details, see Web 
Protection - Security Settings.


Looking that one up (the last part of that text is a link), Block 
Specific Sources can be used to block countries, IP-ranges or URLs (!).
Bot Access Control works on Client IDs from that list and my guess is 
that the customer - jewelosco.com - has not whitelisted Seamonkey, an 
alternative would be a bug on the Imperva side where it is not 
recognising Seamonkey in the first place.

I am not in the US, maybe my Code 16 is down to that.
Your Seamonkey just hangs?  Different error.


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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

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no...@nonospam.org wrote:

https://www.jewelosco.com

This is the site for a major grocery store and pharmacy chain. It locks 
up SeaMonkey v2.53.5.1 on a fully updated Windows 10 Pro system. Try to 
do anything and it shows "Not Responding".


It is necessary to use Task Manager to kill the process to get out of 
it. Task Manager shows it is using a huge amount of memory (Over 1GB) 
while trying to load the site. I have never seen a site that is so 
totally incompatible with SeaMonkey, and this is a large corporation 
which makes it particularly egregious.


This is critical because the site will be allowing customers to sign up 
for Covid-19 vaccinations at local pharmacies within a few days.


This is not a recent problem. I have been using Firefox as an 
alternative. But now I get an email with a link to a location on this 
site for vaccine signup and I can't use it.


Jewel-Osco is part of the Safeway/Albertsons chain, and the email link 
actually points to a location on their site, which seems to be 
interconnected and has the same problem.


Here is that link:
https://click.email.safeway.com/?qs=e10b65d13a9b9d398e6144d2fe0737fc3111c383162265cda4969e284a29d815e7cfc1fcbc31cbbd7840ba3d1d758647eef30b7ce6211e885d5469b7c597d375 



I know SeaMonkey v2.53.6 was just released, but I'm not ready to try it 
just yet.


I have been using SeaMonkey for years but I'm running out of patience 
with it.


John


Two possible workarounds here:
1 - about:config and then modify 
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox (you may well have to 
restart Seamonkey before the change becomes active).
2 - Right-Click on the link "Copy link location", feed it into Firefox - 
or some other browser.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:




Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this 
thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may 
vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one 
where I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?

<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey/c/irD_2_--VPo>

I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large 
Newsgroups or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't 
remember this happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, 
at 17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this 
newsgroup titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each 
newsgroup and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last 
longer!! ;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, 
the content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that 
this is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com 
read and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me a link to Google groups 
- it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and I confirmed to him - 
also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked and that the 
information I was looking for was there and had solved my problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey


When you subscribe to a Newsgroup, the download is not initiated until 
you actually "go there".  If you then look at the "Server Settings for 
this account" you will see an option "Ask me before downloading more 
than 1500 messages".  In my experiments here I have started routinely 
disabling this option, even if you don't you can still say "I want them 
all" (or words to that effect).  It looks as though you have accepted 
some limit.
Of course it helps when you have a seriously fast internet connection, 
mine is something like 200Mb or 250Mb.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

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Cecil Bankston wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/


I downloaded the X64 version for my Windows 10 system, but it doesn't 
run when I double-click or use Open or even when I run it as 
Administrator.  My Avast antivirus and an on-demand scan with 
MalwareBytes show the file is safe.  I switched to Edge to download it 
again in case my original download was corrupted, but Microsoft blocked 
the download, saying the file may harm my computer.





This is something which happens with every level now, although in my 
case the details were slightly different.

- I downloaded it using Seamonkey.
- Close Seamonkey.
- double click on the downloaded file, it will warn you that this is a 
BAAAD IDEA and you then have two options - backing out, or some other 
option which looks as though it could cause the file to be deleted.
- click that second option, it will then allow you to ignore their 
warnings and carry out the install.


All this is with Microsoft Defender as the virus scanner.
There is a central "security" setting on Windows 10 where the 
recommended value is to only install software from the Microsoft Store. 
I have changed that to permit software from anywhere, there are probably 
additional hurdles to jump of you stick to the "safe" default setting.


This posting is from memory, I did the install yesterday and was not 
taking notes.  Since my Windows 10 machine is dual-boot and I'm in Linux 
at the moment, I can't check the actual texts.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where 
I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?

<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey/c/irD_2_--VPo>

I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, at 
17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup 
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup 
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last longer!! 
;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, the 
content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that this 
is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com read 
and write to this server.  In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me 
a link to Google groups - it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and 
I confirmed to him - also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked 
and that the information I was looking for was there and had solved my 
problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.



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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 4:44 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look 
at older threads where other people look to have had the same 
problem. Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted 
to download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 
is unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where 
I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?

<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey/c/irD_2_--VPo>

I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.




Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.




I would unsubscribe from the newsgroup, then subscribe again downloading 
as many headers as you would like.




If you look at one of my many previous posts in this thread, this (also) 
happens on a fresh profile with no filters.  I downloaded all headers.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted 
to download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?

<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey/c/irD_2_--VPo>

I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups or 
has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.




Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this 
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost 
most of its history.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?

<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey/c/irD_2_--VPo>

I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups or 
has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.


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Permissions

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Using the Seamonkey Data Manager, there are 5 types of data which can be 
managed there: Cookies, Permissions, Preferences, Passwords and Storage. 
This is about Permissions.


A few years ago there were three default Cookie settings for Firefox, 
"Allow", "Allow for Session" and "Ask".  The Firefox maintainers then 
made an extremely unpopular decision to drop the "Ask" option, 
defaulting to "Allow".  This "fix" percolated through to Seamonkey a few 
weeks/months later.
I still have a large number of Permission settings for cookies, there 
are 4 options: Use Default, Allow, Allow for Session, Block.

- are these permission settings still used or are they ignored nowadays?
- if they are still used, how do I add additional entries?

As an example, if have http://about.me set to "Allow for Session", how 
do I add an entry for https://about.me?  Yes, I can see the "Add" button 
at the bottom but it seems to add cookies and not permissions.


If the settings are ignored nowadays then it would make sense to clear 
out all the permission settings, I have hundreds or even thousands.


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Re: One user not getting Invitations

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Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a small office and one user is not getting invitations from 
Lightning.


Other users with SeaMonkey using the same servers are getting them, hers 
just disappear somewhere. I updated to the latest SeaMonkey version on 
Windows 10.


Is she the first on the list?  The last?
Can you send "normal" mails to that address?
Does she have a spam filter?  One of my Email providers often drops mass 
mailings from a club I belong to, a club with 300-400 members.  They do 
this silently.


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Re: More room for text on toolbar

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AK wrote:

I would like to have more room for text on my toolbar.

Can someone help me?

Thanks.

https://imgur.com/a/oiAAXmi



Is that toolbar provided by Seamonkey or by Ubuntu?  I think you should 
be looking at the configuration options provided there rather than by 
Seamonkey - my toolbar is courtesy of OpenSuse/KDE and I get pretty well 
as much text as will fit down there.


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Re: Possible Flash issue on Mac?

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/2021 12:19 PM, Mollie Hurlburt wrote:

Hi!

I'm trying to access Flashpoint through SeaMonkey and it used to work fine, but now it isn't. I get to the 
point of entering SeaMonkey but it won't use Flash - I end up with a blank screen except for the Flash 
"F" inside a box next to an information "i". When I click it, another tab opens saying, 
"Secure Connection Failed. The document contains no data. The page you are trying to view cannot be 
shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified." I've tried it with multiple 
links, all are still active on their original sites. Nothing, though.

I have macOS Big Sur 11.1 and SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 - which I've un/reinstalled 
multiple times now, along with Flashpoint itself. I've also double checked 
everything I know could be an issue. My security and permissions are fine for 
allowing everything, all extensions on SeaMonkey were disabled, I've tried Safe 
Mode and normal, cleared cookies/cache, etc. I have no idea what it could be.

I tried going to Tools --> Web Development --> Error Console, and received 
these three errors, but I don't know what to do with them from here.

Error: TypeError: browser[name] is undefined
Source File: resource://devtools/client/framework/gDevTools.jsm
Line: 158

Error: TypeError: menu is null
Source File: resource://devtools/client/framework/browser-menus.js
Line: 223

Error: NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND:
Source File: 
jar:file:///Users/molli/Downloads/Flashpoint%20Infinity%20for%20Mac%20Beta/FPSoftware/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/Resources/omni.ja!/components/devtools-startup.js
Line: 273


Any advice?
Thanks!



Flash is no longer functional.  Adobe announced last year that Flash
would no longer be maintained or distributed after the end of 2020.
Furthermore, the lastest versions of Flash apparently contain code that
blocks it from working after 11 January 2021 (yesterday).

You should instead be using HTML5 Media.  If that is enabled but the Web
site still asks for Flash, you should notify the site's owner that Flash
is borked, dead, obsolete, etc.



Is this about Flash or is it about Flashpoint Infinity?  The second 
"link" contains the text "Flashpoint Infinity for Mac Beta", a link to 
its site is https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/ and that tells you what 
it is for.  Yes it is Flash related, but according to the link:

Both versions are unaffected by the end of support for Flash and other plugins.




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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

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Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Twitter, Amazon, Google and others are not the government.

I can ban you from my platform if I choose, or filter your posts to 
trash.


I think that discussion is in mozilla.general.

Please read the subject again.  It has nothing to do with "can ban". 
There are people trying to reach these sites and do not know why they 
cannot.  They don't know why they cannot communicate like they have been 
able to.  It is not like they got a memo "take your business elsewhere".


And Apple and Google have banned the Parler phone apps.

OK I did include a free speech note, but even the ACLU has come down 
against this case.


Ray



The app Parlor has apparently seen a dramatic increase in downloads. It 
is something porn-related.


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Re: SPAM from "... campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez! ..."

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Bret Busby wrote:

On 9/1/21 4:15 am, Bret Busby wrote:

On 9/1/21 12:01 am, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

it seems that I get a SPAM mail with contents as you see in Subject.

Anybody else?

DU

Rainer
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Whilst I personally believe that the post above, is not appropriate 
for a software support mailing list, have you tried examining the full 
headers of the malicious email messages?


I doubt that the messages are being sent from the woman's campaign 
office (I am not one of her constituents - I am in another country), 
and, I think that her name is probably spelled wrong.


The malicious email probably comes from one of Trump's 
co-conspirators, trying to create ill-will against the legally elected 
USA members of the federal parliament.


But, if you have not already, examine the full header of the messages.




It just occurred to me - if the subject field of the message, included 
the exclamation mark as shown, the message was probably sent by Trump 
himself (the inappropriate exclamation mark, is Trump's callsign), if 
not his co-conspirators (the ones that re left at the outhouse, after 
most of them have jumped off the sinking ship).


But, examine the full message headers of the messages.



I can't imagine "Trump himself" taking the time to spam Rainer's 
mailbox, but that's just me - he does spend his time in mysterious ways.
Here's an appropriate link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kAi26r99_0 
(sorry!)


As to Ray_Net's ways of avoiding spam, my strategies are as follows:
- Use a mail-system with a spam filter, gmx (even the freemail version) 
allow you adequate ways of configuring the beast.
- Use email alias(es) for activities where you may come to the notice of 
spammers, gmx (even the freemail version) allows you two or three. 
Mails to macros...@gmx.be (I made that one up) will automatically land 
in your inbox.  If Macrosith suddenly starts attracting spam, junk the 
address.  I have multiple aliases for multiple email addresses, any 
mails I send out have the real address but addresses I enter in feedback 
forms are the aliases.


I don't know if GMX operate in Belgium, and they do send you their own 
spam mails - I'd estimate five a month, I have a filter - if you use 
their freemail.
My gmx spam filter is set up to send me a mail just after midnight if 
anything gets flagged as spam in the previous 24 hours.  The mail 
contains the Senders and their Subjects, if I think it might be a false 
positive then I log in and check.  Sometimes I go months without any 
such mail, then there will be one a night for a week.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


This is more an issue now than in the past.  When SM went from 1X to 2X 
it was done "out loud", so we knew not to mix 1X and 2X.  And, it was 
done at a major break.  Back then I once ran twenty versions from the 
same profile while searching for the date and time of a bug insertion, 
with no issues.


Now those changes are done "quietly".  However, depending on what test 
run you are doing the change may not matter.  But if you want to run 
several versions from the same profile and not get bit by changes, it is 
easy to create a batch file to delete the profile and replace it from an 
archive.  A later version will make whatever changes it needs to a 
previous profile.  That includes missing pieces.  So you can give SM a 
piece of a profile and it will create the rest.


Oh yea, you do need to get the profile(s) away from he app and off 
somewhere in neutral territory and then point to them.  And, if you get 
mail files off in a third location, they will be protected from damage 
or loss.  And then a couple more batch files will easily back up 
profiles and mail to other locations making the whole thing bomb proof.


Ray





As Mark says, you can do that if you really really want to, but your 
purposes seem to go way beyond what most other people would ever think 
of doing.
In addition, John - the original poster of this thread - is obviously 
not looking to use Seamonkey the way you do.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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Daniel wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote on 23/12/20 23:39:
When I go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ the "download now" 
always points to the Windows x86 version, in spite of the fact that I 
am running the 64 bit version of Windows 10 Pro.


Is it doing this because it recognizes my currently installed version 
is x86, or is there some other reason? In short, I'm wondering if 
there is any reason why I shouldn't be using the x64 version and what 
complications I might encounter with my existing profile if I try to 
make the switch.


Thanks!

John


John, as Mark has indicated, your User Agent string (Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1) is indicating that you are using a version of 
SeaMonkey that has been made to operate on a 32 bit Operating System 
(i.e. WOW64) that is actually running on a 64bit Physical RAM System.


As Mark suggests, back up your profile into a new location (you know, 
"just in case") then download the real 64bit SeaMonkey, install it 
somewhere different to your current WOW32 SM SeaMonkey installation and 
see if it will run at all on whatever your actual Operating System 32/64 
bit number is! ;-)


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


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Re: Quick Folders [was Re: Updated SeaMonkey to 2.53.5.1 - Now I CAN'T RENAME EMAIL FOLDERS]

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 14/12/2020 22:23, user@domain.invalid wrote:
  OK, it appears the problem is with the QuickFolders add-on. 
QuickFolders isn't compatible with the new version of Seamonkey.
  I noticed it was missing after the update, then found that an 
earlier version of QuickFolders DOES function with the new SeaMonkey - 
except, it somehow interferes with renaming folders within SeaMonkey 
mail.

...


The latest version of QuickFolders that currently works with SeaMonkey 
is 4.18.2. Against SM 2.53.5/Linux x86, I didn't find any problem 
renaming email folders that I had created myself. An advantage of QF 
would be that all QF tabs can be renamed, so, as an English speaker 
using a German email account, you could have a QF tab named Sent 
representing the non-renamable email folder Gesendet (etc).


/df



Why don't you simply use an English-language version of Seamonkey? 
German email accounts work just as with "Sent" as with "Gesendet" etc.

Reasons to use a German Seamonkey would be:
- multiple people using it
- spellchucking o.Ä.
In theory a Language Pack would help there but there have been problems 
in that area with some recent levels.  Was sagt FRG dazu?


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Re: Is there a problem with this Newsgroup?

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JAS wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 15/12/20 01:01:
I'm trying to look at some of the threads from March and April this 
year and am getting nowhere.  If I show enough patience I can get the

 Article not found
page which also offers the "Remove All Expired Articles" button, but 
clicking on it does not change the total number shown in the index 
or fix the problem.
It is (obviously) not the thread which interested me, but I get this 
effect on both of the test/Test posts from Frog on 7th and 8th of 
April (your timezone may vary).

Older threads work ok, as do newer ones.


Don, have you set View -> Threads to All??

This should then show the Subject: for ever message you have 
previously downloaded


I unsubsubscribed from the Newsgroup, went into the profile and 
deleted most of the files associated with this Group (I left 
News/news.mozilla.org.msf alone, it's from March 2017), terminated and 
restarted Seamonkey, resubscribed, downloaded the index anew.
I monitor three other Newsgroups on this server and left them alone.  
My Filter items (which I changed from "delete" to "ignore" in 
"Action") were still there after all this.


Basically, nothing significant has changed - I still can't see those 
threads I mentioned, although the PEDERASTA threads previously 
filtered out are now there, visible and annoying.

View -> Threads was set to All right from the start.

Can others see those two threads from Frog?  If they can then I'm 
going to have to completely nuke and recreate my Newsgroup settings on 
my test machine.



Mine show messages from Frog Dec 2019  and next is April 7th and beyond JAS


Thank you.  This is going to be a pain to fix.
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Re: Is there a problem with this Newsgroup?

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 15/12/20 01:01:
I'm trying to look at some of the threads from March and April this 
year and am getting nowhere.  If I show enough patience I can get the

 Article not found
page which also offers the "Remove All Expired Articles" button, but 
clicking on it does not change the total number shown in the index or 
fix the problem.
It is (obviously) not the thread which interested me, but I get this 
effect on both of the test/Test posts from Frog on 7th and 8th of 
April (your timezone may vary).

Older threads work ok, as do newer ones.


Don, have you set View -> Threads to All??

This should then show the Subject: for ever message you have previously 
downloaded


I unsubsubscribed from the Newsgroup, went into the profile and deleted 
most of the files associated with this Group (I left 
News/news.mozilla.org.msf alone, it's from March 2017), terminated and 
restarted Seamonkey, resubscribed, downloaded the index anew.
I monitor three other Newsgroups on this server and left them alone.  My 
Filter items (which I changed from "delete" to "ignore" in "Action") 
were still there after all this.


Basically, nothing significant has changed - I still can't see those 
threads I mentioned, although the PEDERASTA threads previously filtered 
out are now there, visible and annoying.

View -> Threads was set to All right from the start.

Can others see those two threads from Frog?  If they can then I'm going 
to have to completely nuke and recreate my Newsgroup settings on my test 
machine.


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Re: Is there a problem with this Newsgroup?

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NFN Smith wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
I'm trying to look at some of the threads from March and April this 
year and am getting nowhere.  If I show enough patience I can get the

 Article not found
page which also offers the "Remove All Expired Articles" button, but 
clicking on it does not change the total number shown in the index or 
fix the problem.
It is (obviously) not the thread which interested me, but I get this 
effect on both of the test/Test posts from Frog on 7th and 8th of 
April (your timezone may vary).

Older threads work ok, as do newer ones.



I've seen this kind of thing happen occasionally, and it's not the 
newsgroup itself, but how it's handled within your profile, possibly 
with indexing.


What you probably should do is go to the Properties of the newsgroup, 
and in the General Information, select Repair Folder.  That one should 
force downloading of all the headers (or as many as you choose) and 
re-indexing.


Given the size of this newsgroup (my display shows a little over 114,000 
messages), that will take some time to do, and in my experience, if you 
do all of them, you're likely to see scripting timeout errors, where you 
have to grant permission for scripts to continue to run.


Although I'm enthusiastic about advising users moving to a new machine 
to simply copy the entire profile from one to another, I found that the 
last time I made a move myself, newsgroups with large histories were 
problematic following the move, and for most of them, I generally had to 
go through the task of repairing folders, sometimes more than once, and 
on a couple of groups, I ended up having to unsubscribe and resubscribe. 
  In retrospect, I probably should have maximized downloading at 
something on the order of 10,000 or 20,000 messages, and lessened both 
the time it took to download headers, and the frequency of scripting 
timeouts.


Smith



I tried it and things started of well - I was within around 2000-3000 
messages left to download, then I got the script timeout message.

One Yes and it downloaded the rest, then things started getting ugly.
A few more script timeouts before I said DON'T ASK and whent off for 
5-10 minutes.
When I got back there was a message saying the connection to the News 
server had timed out.


and I still can't read those messages, the ones I wanted to look at.

Maybe I'll unsubscribe and resubscribe, that presumably means saving the 
message filters first.


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Is there a problem with this Newsgroup?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

I'm trying to look at some of the threads from March and April this year 
and am getting nowhere.  If I show enough patience I can get the

Article not found
page which also offers the "Remove All Expired Articles" button, but 
clicking on it does not change the total number shown in the index or 
fix the problem.
It is (obviously) not the thread which interested me, but I get this 
effect on both of the test/Test posts from Frog on 7th and 8th of April 
(your timezone may vary).

Older threads work ok, as do newer ones.

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Re: Updates: General

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Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi All,

I hope all is well with everyone.

I've been spending a lot of time working on the update system.  When I
started this project some time ago,  I had just wanted to use the
old system and update (pun not intended)it.  Gave up that idea and went
for something else.

Now fast forward a few years to 2020 after working on this on-and-off.
With the release process still being half-manually generated (though
the process has gotten a bit faster), I figured I'd tackle this update
issue once and for all.

I had the intention of setting up the new system such that all versions
(2.0 to 2.53.5.1 etc) can update properly.  After getting a simple
working prototype running, I realized that it's no longer possible to
even update anything <= 2.23.

Our update site uses TLSv1.1 or 1.2 (and a better set of cyphers) which
these versions don't support and it's no longer possible to patch these
versions to support TLSv1.1 or TLSv1.2.

It is also not likely that we'd set the update system to use
SSLv3 or TLSv1 (thanks to Heartbleed, Poodle, and whatever
else) and set to a lower cypher set.

Errors:
   Version 2.1 to 2.23 gets a 'ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap' error.

   Version 2.0x gets a "Data transfer interupted" error.

   I haven't tested version 1.x.  or the Mozilla Suite.


So, I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't seem possible to
update 2.0 to the latest and greatest.

Here's a list of versions and their supported status:

Versions

   o Mozilla Suite, 1.x, 2.0x, <= 2.23  :  Not supported.
 [Related gecko versions: 1.8, 1.8.1, 1.9.1, <= 26

   o versions >= 2.24:   Supported
  [related gecko versions:  >= 27]

This is only considering versions as they are; Not the underlying
operating system support.

That's my update on the updates. [Probably going to be an update to
this update that updates on the update...etc... ad nauseum]
  We're nearly there.  I just need to make sure that the update process
won't update systems that *shouldn't* be updated.  i.e Updating 2.49.5
to 2.53 on a Winxp system or, in the case of Linux distros own compiled
versions, they also won't be updated. [Though I have been told
that Linux distros-own compiled versions won't query the update
server.]


Edmund



Just one question to that: I have an ancient profile which I found on an 
unused machine and where I'd like to at least have access to the emails 
there.
Would a modern Seamonkey be able to understand them; are the profile 
incompatibilities in the email handling, the browser side or in common 
parts such as password handling?  "ancient" certainly means < 2.24 and 
it may even mean < 2.0.


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Re: Private Browsing

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Thomas Pamin wrote:

What's the best way to surf anonymously with SM?


I normally have two windows open - one "public" and one private - each 
with multiple tabs.  Some websites get browsed normally but most privately.
The private window has access to website history, forms, passwords, 
various other stuff from the normal window but it does not (should not) 
update them.


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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

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Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
<https://www.dw.com/en/space-trash-cleanup-esa-signs-off-on-first-ever-mission/a-55740379> 



Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.

Linux, 2.53.3, no add-ons: JavaScript loop, after a while it asks me if 
I should continue or abort the script.  Aborting it works fine.
I'll be updating my Seamonkey in a few minutes so we'll see what the 
newer level does.



2.53.5.1, identical behaviour.  Stopping the Script works.

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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

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Gerry Hickman wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
 



Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.

Linux, 2.53.3, no add-ons: JavaScript loop, after a while it asks me if 
I should continue or abort the script.  Aborting it works fine.
I'll be updating my Seamonkey in a few minutes so we'll see what the 
newer level does.


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Re: Images don't display on Costco emails

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William Greenwood wrote:

What setting do I need to adjust?


That's a deliberate policy in my case, but those few mails where I 
actually want to look at the pretty pictures normally come with a link: 
"Open in Browser" or "View this email in your browser".
Suppressing full html is a security option, some pretty nasty things can 
be spread via html (or MS Word) mails.  I must admit I thought you could 
have exceptions (such as permit full html for costco.com) but I can't 
see how to manipulate them so that could be wrong.


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Re: Electrolysis with Seamonkey

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Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

user wrote:


Hello

Is it possible to activate Electrolysis (e10s) with Seamonkey ?

I've played with some parameters and got 2 processes, but no way to 
get more.


browser.tabs.remote.autostart
dom.ipc.processCount
browser.preferences.defaultPerformanceSettings.enabled

Multiple processes are not blocked by an add-on, the result is the 
same with a new and empty profile.





In a word: No.
According to a comment made in this newsgroup back on 23 March this 
year, "Seamonkey is a long way from being able to use this" and I have 
seen no indications that anything has changed on that front.




Sorry, I meant to include the fact that FRG made that comment.
The subject was "e10s aka Electrolysis" and it was started by Paul 
Bergsagel.


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Re: Electrolysis with Seamonkey

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

user wrote:


Hello

Is it possible to activate Electrolysis (e10s) with Seamonkey ?

I've played with some parameters and got 2 processes, but no way to get 
more.


browser.tabs.remote.autostart
dom.ipc.processCount
browser.preferences.defaultPerformanceSettings.enabled

Multiple processes are not blocked by an add-on, the result is the same 
with a new and empty profile.





In a word: No.
According to a comment made in this newsgroup back on 23 March this 
year, "Seamonkey is a long way from being able to use this" and I have 
seen no indications that anything has changed on that front.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


It took OpenSuse until 10 days ago before they finally released a 
2.53.x version via the standard repositories (their Mozilla Test 
repository has been kept current since around 21 April) and the reason 
for that was that there was apparently a loss of functionality between 
the last 2.49.x level and the 2.53.x line.


Yes what was the loss of functionality? It't can't be bigger/greater 
than Fx 52 to 57 or higher. I know they had compile problmes. IanN even 
gave up trying to build a test release under OpenSuse.


Of course that does not explain why they stuck at 2.49.4 rather than 
2.49.5.

This mattered to me because:
- a new version of OpenSuse Leap was released with 2.49.4
- the update process (I think) changed the default for html from 
Firefox to Seamonkey so opening an html page nuked my (migrated) 
Seamonkey profile.

At least that happened on my test machine so no real data was lost.


Profiles were always in different locations. Changing default browsers 
should never inflict a profile loss. If this was the case it was not an 
official release doing this and that is what I talk about. The official 
release works fine on OpenSuse because that was what I run on my backup 
server.


Before Upgrade: 2.53.3 (at a guess, or maybe 2.53.2)
After Upgrade: 2.49.4
This was an upgrade of OpenSuse, "before" used their test repository, 
"after" did not.  What could possibly go wrong?





There is really one obstacle and that is migration from pre 2.53.x to 
the later nss with a master password in place. That is basically why the 
backup profile before upgrading warning is still in place. Andthere may 
be problmes with ancient add-ons and themes too. It can't be helped. 
Either someone updates them or they are gone.


There may be reasons to stay on an older release but citing the growing 
list of known problems is just laughable. Older releases had far more 
problems.


I have seen no missing functionality since upgrading to 2.53.4, but it 
was the reason cited when we asked what the holdup was.  There have been 
a couple of "issues" with "save as" not working as before (or in one 
case, at all) but Nuno Silva pointed me at the solution to the worst 
variation.



That said everyone can do what he/she wants.

FRG



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:

On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,


Links:
[1] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/


The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from upgrading.
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/



Yes all deal breakers. Don't upgrade. The world might explode if a tab 
is not opened in the background from the bookmarks.2.49.5 was the last 
stable version ever! Wonder why I even care about later ones.


FRG


It took OpenSuse until 10 days ago before they finally released a 2.53.x 
version via the standard repositories (their Mozilla Test repository has 
been kept current since around 21 April) and the reason for that was 
that there was apparently a loss of functionality between the last 
2.49.x level and the 2.53.x line.

Of course that does not explain why they stuck at 2.49.4 rather than 2.49.5.
This mattered to me because:
- a new version of OpenSuse Leap was released with 2.49.4
- the update process (I think) changed the default for html from Firefox 
to Seamonkey so opening an html page nuked my (migrated) Seamonkey profile.

At least that happened on my test machine so no real data was lost.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

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Hawker wrote:

On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
out.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/



Thank you so much for getting this out so fast and your continued 
support of the project. Will update this weekend.


You are aware that this is not the newest version?  2.53.5.1 is, see the 
release announcement for that level.


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Re: [macOs 11.0.1 big sur]: Screen Display Problems ❔ ⚠️️

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Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

we have the 2 bug reports

  Bug 1677273 - Accounts and folders invisible in folder pane after 
upgrade to [macOs 11.0. big sur]

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1677273

  Bug 1677316 - [macOs 11.0 big sur] blank popup menu
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1677316

which might indicate that SeaMonkey becomes unusable after update / 
upgrade to that macOS Version.


May be some MAC users can help with observations / workarounds?

CU

Rainer


Looking at


What's New in SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1

SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 contains (among other changes) the following major changes 
relative to SeaMonkey 2.53.5:

Fix advertising of av1 support bug 1490877.
Fix some issues found with supporting new macOS.
Various security and general platform fixes.


How are things on MacOs with this brand new level?

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Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux

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Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-11-18, Nuno Silva wrote:


On 2020-11-18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines
with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under
OpenSuse.
Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All"
starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise
nothing.
If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains.
If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies
with the process.
Saving the attachments individually works.

I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there
were no problems there.
Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem?


Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using?

What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can
check that, for example, in about:config.)

(What is the separate process that gets started?)



ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird.
I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply
identifies it as seamonkey.


And is it really a separate process, and not the original seamonkey
process? Could you please confirm this?


ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is
as ugly as f*** but it works.  Thank you very muchly.

I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either
something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level
-
or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox.


With that setting set to false, SeaMonkey uses the XUL file picker,
which I can't use with directories / when saving multiple files
(bug 1661070[1]), but I didn't see a separate process using 100% CPU
(I'll check again).

[1] http://bugzil.la/1661070


I don't see a new, separate process, but I see the high CPU usage (in
the seamonkey process) after doing Save As on multiple Mail&News
attachments using the XUL file picker.

This does not happen when I try to save multiple items in the Page Info
Media tab.



It may not have been a separate process, I had assumed that it was for 
two reasons:

- Seamonkey was otherwise useable
- Quitting Seamonkey closed all its windows but left the process still 
running


To me, that meant that the real work was being carried out in a separate 
thread.  Of course, the fact that killing the 100% process nuked an 
active Seamonkey was not necessarily compatible with my theory.


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Re: SeaMonkey with blank windows

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Greg Connell wrote:

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:36:21 AM UTC-6, t19...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone!
I get blank pop up windows after installing the newest SeaMonkey in the German 
version on my Mac OS 11.0.1 Any ideas?

I am using English version, same problem!!!  It makes it challenging to use 
SeaMonkey Composer to work on HTML.
I love the simple Composer. SeaMonkey please fix this issue.



To the best of my knowledge, that is one of the two fixes which will 
flow into 2.53.5.1.  I'm pretty clueless on that front, it is how I 
interpreted some of the other posts made here in the last couple of days.


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Re: Javascript

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G. Ross wrote:
Just started using the latest SM and when visiting local weather a 
message popped up saying I need JavaScript to view it.  Should I install 
Javascript and if so how to get it?  Thanks.


G.Ross


Javascript (as opposed to Java) is natively supported by pretty much all 
browsers, if that site thinks you don't have it then I see two 
possibilities:

- You have turned it off (Preferences -> Advanced -> Scripts & Plugins)
- You have something like Noscript running and that has turned it off 
for you, for this site.


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Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux

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Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines
with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under
OpenSuse.
Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All"
starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise
nothing.
If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains.
If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies
with the process.
Saving the attachments individually works.

I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there
were no problems there.
Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem?


Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using?

What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can
check that, for example, in about:config.)

(What is the separate process that gets started?)



ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird.
I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply identifies 
it as seamonkey.


ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is 
as ugly as f*** but it works.  Thank you very muchly.


I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either 
something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level - 
or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox.


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Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux

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I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines 
with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under 
OpenSuse.

Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All"
starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise 
nothing.

If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains.
If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies with 
the process.

Saving the attachments individually works.

I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there 
were no problems there.

Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

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David H. Durgee wrote:
Did I miss a notice about the release of SeaMonkey 2.53.5 two days ago? 
I found out when Mint Update showed it as available from Ubuntuzilla a 
few minutes ago.  That is a first as well, as the maintainer usually 
needed to be notified of the new release.


I just installed it and all looks good thus far.

Dave


I've seen a release notice for 2.53.5b1 - back at the end of October - 
but there was none for the "real" 2.53.5.

Still, it is definitely there - the links
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
both work.  According to the first of them it was released on Nov 13.

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Re: Seamonkey freezing on new Facebook

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dstamat wrote:

Dear All,

Since the introduction of the new Facebook interface, Seamonkey (Windows 64bit 
2.49.5) has become very sluggish. After a couple of minutes the RAM consumption 
reaches 2GB and freezes whenever I try to see pictures.

Is there a way to fix this?

Thanks in advance

Dimitri



I finally upgraded to a 2.53 level on the 10th (Tuesday)
On the 12th (Thursday) I vanished for a couple of days.
This is my first full day back and it has happened to me.
I have a performance monitor running all the time and it kept on showing 
peaks of 100% for a few seconds, running "top -i" in a konsole window 
made it clear that Seamonkey was causing this.  Then the system froze, 
totally.  The freeze included both "top" the other performance monitor, 
a program playing music in the background started repeating one second 
the way bad CDs sometimes do.  A ping from another system failed, all I 
could do was turn the machine off and then restart.

Seamonkey then came up cleanly with a restored session.
This is quite clearly a problem with 2.53.x, I ran 2.49.4 for two years 
and this did not happen even once.
The probably cause was a news page which checked for updates every few 
(12?) seconds.  If this looks like happening again I'll be closing tabs 
to see what stops it, 2.49.4 did not like Google Maps much but things 
never got to the stage where the entire system became totally unresponsive.

This is a 4-virtual-processor system.

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Re: Issue with Seamonkey 2.49.5

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Chuck wrote:
My wife uses Seamonkey 2.49.5 and if she tries to open an attachment as 
well as other files, mainly while in mail, Seamonkey starts flashing on 
and off and each time it opens a new tain Seamonkey until there are 
dozens of tabs open.

While this is going on, task manager cannot be used to close Seamonkey
The only way to stop it is to shut down the computer and reboot.
Please advise.
Thanks,
Chuck


Just for clarification,
- You are using the 32-bit version of Windows 10?
- What virus scanner are you using?
- What do you mean by "opens a new tain"?  My guess is "tab".

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Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey

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Ray Davison wrote:

🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 via support-seamonkey wrote:

Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x
SeaMonkey's?

A long time ago, when storage space was expensive, it might have been 
reasonable to compress backups.  But now that storage space is cheap, 
why have a backup that you need to unpack to read or copy?


For profiles and mail I use XCOPY new files - no, I do not run with 
profiles and mail in the same tree, so they are also backed up to their 
own trees.  I clone entire partitions and HDDs to other HDDs so they are 
usable without any processing - yes, that includes boot partitions from 
multiple OSs.  And none of this cares what version of anything is used.


Ray

If you always take complete backups and only want 1 copy (or maybe 2), 
that makes sense.  If you start using incremental backups so you have 
multiple restore points, you will probably need to compress.
This discussion is about Mozilla profiles in the broadest sense and I'm 
not sure why anyone would want to look at anything other than the most 
recent backup of a profile.


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Re: Printer for USB Firefox

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JAS wrote:
I am running SM 2.4.9 and have several portable browsers on a USB drive. 
When I load Firefox 82.0.2 it will not connect to my default printer, 
Chrome and Edge and Opera do. What needs to be done? I never done 
anything to the other Browsers, the Firefox shower my PDF Printer Lite 
from PDF Exchange my default PDF program.


JAS


You mean Seamonkey 2.49.5?  It looks like you do.
If this is a Firefox problem, why are you mentioning your Seamonkey level?
Are you saying your normal default printer is not selectable from 
Firefox?  WaltS48 may have an opinion on that, I'm running Linux - 
rather than your Windows 10 - and I don't even have that FF level.


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Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey

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Danny Kile wrote:

🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:

Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x
SeaMonkey's?




I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all 
is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. 
It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore.


I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy.


If that is all it does then you have to ask yourself the question: Why 
did the developer abandon it citing "too many Firefox releases"?


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Re: junk folder

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meagain wrote:
The "Junk" folder does not populate until I click on it.  Why would any 
folder do that?


I don't know but it was a conscious decision by the developers and it 
was made years - decades? - ago.  There are probably posts here on that 
behaviour from around 2006, or posts on the preceding mozilla newsgroup 
from before that.


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Re: Fwd: Attention Pacific.Net User

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Daniel wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 16/10/2020 10:05 AM:

On 10/15/20 6:44 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:

FYI


Sounds like a phishing attempt to me.

"We will NEVER send you an email asking you to visit a webpage to 
"confirm" your personal information (including your password) by 
entering it into a form."





Looking at the From: line 

From:
"Webmail.Pacific.Net"

and noticing that the "Webmail.Pacific.Net" does not seem to match the 
"mail.sf.bg.ac.rs", I'd suggest *Almost Definitely* a phishing attempt.


.rs is Serbia, not that close to the Pacific.

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Re: SM 2.53.4 not loading Bissell website

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/7/2020 10:06 AM, flyguy wrote:

SM 2.53.4 won't load https://www.bissell.com/ - the status message is Read
www.bissell.com

Chrome loads it immediately. What could the problem be?

Here's another one that won't load, yet works properly in Chrome:

https://wingsandwheels.com/

Instead of the website, "403 Forbidden nginx" is displayed. The website worked 
in
SM a couple months ago, but hasn't recently, with either 2.53.4 or 2.49.3


Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5

Bissell:  Could not load despite spoofing Firefox and Internet Explorer.

Wings and Wheels:  Got it by spoofing Firefox using PrefBar's useragent
extlist.



Bissell does work with Firefox 78.3.0 esr, it noticed what country I 
appear to be in and adapted the language accordingly.


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Re: SeaMonkey crashing

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Stephen Katz wrote:

On Sunday, June 6, 2010 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-7, Glen wrote:

jtjohnston wrote:

Glen wrote:

jtjohnston wrote:

Glen wrote:

jtjohnston wrote:

I don't know why, but SeaMonkey has been crashing on start-up for the
last 24-36 hours. Something completely new.
Moreover, everytime I use Google, (which is not my home page), when I
press enter or click on search, Seamonkey crashes too.
So what do I do to start debugging this?
John


I would first try opening in safe mode, disabling all addons, and then
see if you could start seamonkey in normal mode. That would at least
narrow down a potential cause of your problems.

It could be a recently updated addons that's causing havoc for you.

Glen


I ran seamonkey safe mode. It crashed.
I went to google.ca typed in a search item (anything) and pressed enter.
Seamonkey crashed :p
So it cannot be any of my plugins!?
What next?

First off, you have a serious problem! From all my experience, if a
program offers a "safe mode" and it falls and crashes, that's not good.

Do you use MozBackup?
Have you scanned for viruses/malware?
Have you visited site(s) recently that may be unsafe - meaning,
potential virus/malware hosts??
Do you have any other issues operating your pc, such as opening and
using another program?

My gut instinct tells me you may have a virus or malware attacking your
pc or SM.

Let me know the answers above asap.


It took a while, but yeah, I was infected with something. Eventually AVG
fixed it up. Long story. Some sort of registry key infection.

jt,
The people who just replied to your thread were correct, there was a
malware/virus that attacked a vulnerability of SM.
Here's what I would do to make sure you're pc is clean
I'd download the latest "free" version of Malwarebytes and give your pc
a full scan and make sure everything is off of it.
http://www.malwarebytes.org/
Also, IMO, I'd remove AVG and install the "free" version of avast!.
http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download
Run a "full scan" in avast after you insure you have the latest updates,
making sure you have the program set to "auto-update."
IMO, the people at avast have done a phenomenal job with their latest
free product and have recommended their product dozens of times since a
few years ago. I've had at least 3-4 blacklisted virus/malware
installation attempts over the past few years, but avast caught each one!
I'm not sure who you use for a firewall, I personally use Zone Alarm
9.1. just because it's free, it seems to work, and only uses 4 megs
of memory.
Good luck with it...


My Seamonkey locks up all the time from ads on major websites.  Only way out is 
to reboot!  It's happening more and more.  On different machines.  Can this be 
fixed or do I need a new browser.  PS Google Chrome has no issues with the same 
sites.



The "Only way out is to reboot"?  Really?
- You don't tell us what OS you are using
- You don't tell us what Seamonkey version you are using

The closest I have come to Seamonkey locking up is JavaScript loops on 
some sites, eventually (20-30 secs?) Seamonkey reports that it has 
caught a loop and do I want to continue waiting or abort the script. 
There is another option as well, something like "don't ask in future" 
and maybe you took that option.  I don't know how to reverse it.


Rebooting to get out of a Seamonkey lockup has to be total overkill. I 
know how to kill locked-up Windows programs and also how to kill the 
Linux equivalent.  I don't think I have rebooted for that reason (for 
any locked-up program) for 10-15 years now.


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Re: New York Times front page malfunctions

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flyguy wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote on 9/29/2020 2:29 AM:

On 2020-09-28, flyguy wrote:


Lemuel Johnson wrote on 9/28/2020 8:46 AM:

On 9/28/2020 9:47 AM, flyguy wrote:

The "hamburger" menu and looking-glass search icon at the top left
of the front page (nytimes.com) stopped working in the last few
days; also missing from the top of the front page on the right side
is the "play the crossword" button and the Log In button. All these
items appear and work in Chrome. What's going on?


The hamburger appears for me all the time. I can make the others
appear (or not) by changing the width of my browser window.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3


The hamburger appears for me, but does not produce the menu when I
click on it. Changing the width of the window does not make the "play
the crossword" button and the "Log In" button work.

I'm using 2.49.4. Perhaps I should update to 2.53.3?


I don't know the cause, but while the hamburger menu does nothing in
2.49.4 or 2.49.5, it does work with 2.53.3.

It's worse than I thought: clicking an article link takes me to the 
article, but at the bottom, the "read comments" button is missing, along 
with dozens of pictures, links, and contact information. I don't 
Seamonkey has changed, as I'm using the same 2.49.4, and my wife is 
experiencing the same issue on her computer, also running 2.94.4, so 
apparently the NY Times has changed in the last week or so; Chrome, 
however, is handling the NY Times change just fine. I'll try updating, 
and hope that fixes the problem.


The level you are using (as am I, don't ask) is 25 months old.
You need to move on eventually.

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Re: updates

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Doug Hughes wrote:

Good Morning

I have and use Sea Monkey on two PC's
On this particular PC,2.53.1 Seamonkey says it is up to date and there 
are no available updates.
On my other PC, 2.53.3  Seamonkey and says an update to 2.53.4 is 
available, yet windows wont let me install
because publisher is unknown. One or the other PC I suspect is infected 
with a clone or is there some way

to clarify whats going on here?
any help would be appreciated.
Regards

Doug



The "publisher is unknown" means what it says, Microsoft doesn't know 
who produced it.  You do and - assuming you got it from the correct 
place - it is safe to install.
I read something a couple of years back about a version of Windows 10 
which was "locked in" to the Microsoft Store (or whatever it is called) 
and you would only be able to install products from there.  If that 
exists and you have such a (cheap) version of Windows then you have a 
problem, but since you already have a version of Seamonkey there it 
obviously worked in the past.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.4 released!

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Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.4 final.


Here is 2.49.5
Seamonkey help says its actual. German version?


Updates do not work, and have not worked for a long time now.  You have 
to download the new version and install it.  If your current version is 
the 32-bit version and you want to use the 64-bit version then you 
should uninstall the old version (after downloading the new one!) before 
you install the new one.
It would make sense to backup your profile before installing the new 
version, a fallback to your 2.49.5 would break the profile.



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Re: Videos on svt.se

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Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?
Glad for all the help I can get.

Göran


There is a new setting with your version of Seamonkey where you can lie 
to sites by telling them you are running Firefox, it may be in the 
Release Notes for 2.53.3.


Can I assume you got your Seamonkey from the (OpenSuse) Mozilla-test 
repository?  The maintainer prepared a new release for the main 
repositories two months ago (both for 15.1 and 15.2) but something has 
gone wrong and they have not actually made it there.
If this state persists with the next level of Leap (which is a long way 
off), you are liable to render your profile non-functional by 
accidentally falling back to Seamonkey 2.49.4.

https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/822021

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Re: Seeking replacement for Firefox... considering Seamonkey

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Bob wrote:

I've used Seamonkey in the past, and really liked the way I could work on my 'personal' 
website with the software.  I stopped using it when it was declared "obsolete" 
a few years ago.

I am being forced to abandon Firefox, which I've been using for around 15 years 
now (and really liked, until the later iterations).  I work from home, and 
absolutely CANNOT have software automatically install updates and force me to 
shut down (without being able to access another website to alert people).  I've 
tried all of the tricks I could find to prevent automatic installation of 
updates, but nothing has worked, and I do NOT want to loose my job because of 
the programmers refusing to listen to reason.

(1):  Can I LOCK OUT automatic installation of updates?  I MUST be able to 
choose when updating happens.

(2): How up-to-date is Seamonkey kept?  I already have strong security on my 
system, but need to avoid security holes.

(3) How easy is it now to migrate Bookmarks, passwords, and so on?

(4): "Bonus" question - is the composer still part of Seamonkey?

I use Ubuntu 18:04 LTS - switched to it around the time I abandoned Office and 
IE (for security and other valid reasons).

Thanks!

Bob



If all you want is to stop FF updating, look at 
https://www.journeybytes.com/disable-firefox-quantum-updates/ .


I had the reverse problem in a previous job, I wanted to be able to 
install FF updates (the automatic ones there had several deficiencies) 
so I had to find out how they had disabled them and reverse it.

They had set something up in the Policies which I had to remove again.
Looking at my notes from back then,
-  defaults\pref\local-settings.js contained a pointer (filename) to a 
file mozilla.cfg

- this mozilla.cfg had a large number of really irritating settings.

Bottom line, do a search on: firefox local-settings.js mozilla.cfg
and you will see how to change defaults.  This is normally used for 
company-wide policies.


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Re: Is SeaMonkey using too much RAM

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Ant wrote:

On 8/21/2020 1:55 PM, Edward wrote:

Ant wrote:

I have seen my seamonkey.exe process go up to 3 GB in my decade old, 
updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. :(


I wonder if there is a memory issue? This particular desktop is nine 
years old, runs Linux exclusively and has 3.6Gb of memory, using LXDE 
desktop.


Yes, current stable SeaMonkey (old Gecko engine) leaks and hogs a lot 
due to many bloated web sites like LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Google 
Maps, etc.  :(


I have had Seamonkey (2.49.4, as most of you can see) open for around 13 
hours now and it has been getting slower and slower for an hour or two. 
When things got too bad to ignore, I closed the Google Maps tab (in a 
private window) that had been open for pretty much all that time.

Seamonkey was back to its responsive best immediately.
I'd checked about:memory - and memory usage generally - shortly before 
doing this and things looked pretty much normal, there was little 
difference between Before and After.  The Swapfile was not in use.

It was amazing what a difference one Google Maps tab made.

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Re: Newsgroup spam

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Edward wrote:
In SeaMonkey (probably Thunderbird as well), if you right click the 
subject in the message, one of the options is to delete the message, 
which will delete it from the list.


The spams appear to be posted via Google Groups, but the Groups abuse 
e-mail address no longer works. abuse  google  com does work, 
as I haven't received any bounces from that address, but do not know if 
anyone actually reads the e-mails sent to it, or if they investigate.



I tried ab...@google.com (if they get spammed they have something to 
analyse) years ago with no results I could see.  The spam postings also 
remained up.
Chris Ilias does delete some postings here but he leaves THAT MISERABLE 
CHARACTER alone, and if I say more he'll probably start censoring me.


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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

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Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


How did you change the UA?  "By hand" or did you use that new setting 
which pretends it is Firefox?  I'd go for option 2 and then maybe 
restart the program.
(I can't test this myself because OpenSuse has still not managed to get 
to a current level, it has been stuck in the Approval phase for a couple 
of months now).


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Re: Win7-Pro, Seamonkey-64, and Skype

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Henrik37 wrote:

Gunther Nikl wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:

Is there some way to get the current version of Skype to run with Win
7-Pro systems and SeaMonkey v.2.53 without having a Microsoft account?


Not sure I understand the issue. AFAIK, you need a ms account to access
the skype service. Where does SeaMonkey come into play here?

Gunther

My impression is that Microsoft (who owns Skype) doesn't interface 
easily with SeaMonkey.




Irrelevant in this case.
I thought Skype used its own client program - and it's not a browser - 
so what browser you are using is moot.  If I'm wrong and it does use a 
browser: if it works with Edge and not with Seamonkey, then it is a case 
for this forum.


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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

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NFN Smith wrote:

AK wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy



The differences are less than they want you to believe.

I run NoScript, and with the RottenTomatoes scripting host blocked, I 
have no problems with getting to their content, at least stuff that 
isn't delivered by script. However, if I unblock that one, I'm not 
finding any spoofing options, even the most current version of Google 
Chrome that this site will accept.


It seems that their browser sniffing script is exceptionally aggressive.

Most of the time, sites that complain about Seamonkey may say that the 
issue is compatibility, but I have yet to see a site that relies on 
something that is more current than I have in Seamonkey. There's a 
variety of reasons that sites may not want Seamonkey, but frequently it 
comes down to them wanting to simplify, and by rejecting old or odd (to 
them) browsers, they change things from being Their Problem to being 
Your Problem.


On the other hand, one of the Seamonkey devs has noted that there are 
things that Google is doing with YouTube that may make things difficult 
for any browser that's not Chromium-derived. I haven't seen that myself, 
although at Google's main search page, there's a display quirk that goes 
away if I show a stock Firefox User Agent string.  Thus, for google.com, 
I have an about:config entry that shows Google that I'm a Firefox user.


My own use of NoScript gets me around a lot of script-based browser 
sniffing issues, although there are trade-offs, and that might not work 
for you. And I also use PrefBar, which allows me to do quick on-the-fly 
spoofing, when I need to.


But it is happening that there's at least a few sites out there that may 
start having problems with Seamonkey.  For that, you don't have to 
abandon Seamonkey, but it may be useful to have an alternate browser for 
getting to sites that may have issues (whether real, or just annoying 
sites that don't want to deal with it) with Seamonkey.


Smith


The problem is usually - as in this case - that a site has javascript 
identifying the various browsers and catering for them individually. 
Not a particularly good idea in the first place and it tends to fail 
when confronted with a browser it does not recognise.
I saw a posting in this forum (I think) around a year ago where someone 
posted a link to Google's suggestions for resolving the problem - the 
javascript should test for browser *capabilities* instead of 
browser/level combinations, examples were provided on the Google-page. 
Unfortunately Google themselves don't follow that advice, some of their 
pages are/were broken for Seamonkey.

Edward's suggestion should help, although it requires 2.53.3 or higher.

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Re: 2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered appropriately

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Tristan Miller wrote:

Dear all,

I'm attempting to package SeaMonkey 2.53.1 for openSUSE and am running
up against the build error "NSModules are not ordered appropriately".
This is triggered by the script
mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/action/check_binary.py, which checks
that symbols have a certain ordering (with
start_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the beginning and
end_kPStaticModules_NSModule at the end).

This same problem was previously reported upstream at
 but seems to have
been solved there long ago.  Web searches indicate that the problem
is/was related to the use of LTO to compile libxul.so, though I'm not
sure if that's the case here.  In theory SeaMonkey itself is now set up
to disable LTO when building libxul.so, though maybe that workaround
isn't getting properly applied in our build?

Any hints or advice would be appreciated.  The following information is
available in case it helps:

A full build log for openSUSE Tumbleweed
(x86_64):  The error
message is on line 80596, near the end of the file.

The mozconfig file: 

The OBS project containing the RPM spec file, patches, etc.:
 



Regards,
Tristan



I am not sure if gcc 9 is already usable. I would suggest using clang 
8 or gcc 8 if possible. Bug 1470127 has been backported but maybe not 
all fixes are currently in the tree. Official mzoconfigs are in Bug 
1612722 but don't look much different. Don't use NSS > 3.48 or you 
will have problems upgrading. Unless you patched the source or use non 
standard build options it no longer builds the dbm backend needed for 
migration.


FRG


Could you check if this helps:
https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c999baadc2d5

FRG


Replying to this so that Eric Rull gets to see it.

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Re: Bulding Seamonkey - client.py missing

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Erik Rull wrote:

Hi all,

I tried to build seamonkey from the sources and followed the instructions until
this point:

comm-central$ python client.py checkout
python: can't open file 'client.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

I checked the cloned repo and there is no client.py existing - of course lots of
other .py files but none that would fit the needs... same with the release 
repo...

Where can I get this from?

When checking for the firefox compilation, the steps are quite similar so I fail
at the same step... hg, etc. was installed.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Erik



I can't help directly, but:
- It looks as though you are trying to compile for Linux
- Have you looked at the thread "2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not 
ordered appropriately" by Tristan Miller?  The thread was opened on 
3-3-2020.  Don't bother with my contributions there, the FRG ones (+ 
Tristan's responses) are key.


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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

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oersted wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 16:43:32 +0200, Rainer Bielefeld
 wrote:

.
Steps how to reproduce:
1. Open https://imgur.com/ in newly created User Profile
.
Rainer


Ditto, plus FF 68.11.0esr fails the same way too.



FF 78.1.0esr works as it should, the pictures are very visible.

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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

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Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi all,

since today my  installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.5 
beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 Build 20200727210001 (Default Classic Theme) on German WIN7 
64bit has stopped to show single pictures on IMGUR.


Steps how to reproduce:
1. Open https://imgur.com/ in newly created User Profile
    » Shows overview of pictures
2. Click Arbitrary picture of movie like
    
    » Expected: single picture or movie view
  Actual: Black Page. Page Info / Media only shows
  some small Icons, but they also are invisible.

Changing User Agent String without success for now.

Can you reproduce that problem?
Any Ideas concerning roots or WORKAROUND?

CU

Rainer


I have an ancient version of Seamonkey on this machine and what I see is 
exactly what you are describing.  Paint it black.


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Re: Website asks to turn mobile device to Protrait Position

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Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

I observe something strange here  with 
SeaMonkey: Error Message that I should turn my mobile device.


More details in German language here:
  

That's new, worked fine until few days ago. Any Idea how to solve this 
problem?


CU

Rainer


Works just fine for me, I see that they have built some new roads since 
I was last in Braunschweig.  I opened the page in a private window.


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Re: start over

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Manfred Fedorczuk wrote:

Folks,

my Seamonkey (SM) installation has deteriorated over the years and I 
intend to start over.


I will install a new copy of SM and create the needed profiles (no 
problem).

I will locate the old and the new profile directories (no problem).

My question:
Which parts/files from the old profiles do I need to copy over into the 
new profile directories to keep

  + e-mails
  + bookmarks
  + stored passwords
but nothing else?

In particular, I do not want the old configuration settings or 
add-on-settings to survive.


I use Win 7 Pro and SM 2.53.3.

Thanks, regards
Manfred




Not your question, but why are you going to reinstall?  What you want to 
change is entirely within the profile.
The way I'd handle cleaning up the add-on settings would be via the 
normal menu under Tools.
The way I'd handle cleaning up the configuration settings would be via 
about:config and looking at the "user set" ones at the start of the 
list, they are all in *bold*.  Take a backup of the profile first and be 
very careful about changing/deleting lines where the purpose is not 
obvious, an alternative to that approach would be to use the "user set" 
lines to see which settings you want to change and then do them via the 
Edit -> Preferences interface.



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Re: updates

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Edward wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

The first (Windows) Seamonkey which offered a 64-bit version 
officially was 2.49.5.  You have 2.49.1, so unless you downloaded an 
unofficial build from a different site - and I'm assuming you'd 
remember doing that - you have a 32-bit version.
That User Agent is a bit weird, I have looked up some old messages 
here and seen:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


If you do update - download a 64-bit 2.53.3, uninstall your old 
Seamonkey, backup the profile and install the new one.


WOW64 is Windows-On-Windows 64. That is seen when a 32-bit version is 
installed on a 64-bit Windows OS. When I had 64-bit Windows 7 installed, 
SeaMonkey displayed that as the only SM versions at the time were 32-bit.


If a 64-bit version of Sea Monkey is installed on 64-bit Windows, the 
UserAgent will then show 'Win64' and 'x64'.



Which describes his user-agent quite accurately.
To repeat, the only "official" 2.49.1 version was 32-bit - see 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.1#official - but his 
user-agent says x64.  This implies an unofficial build, or a manipulated 
user-agent.  I'd go forwards as I suggested anyway - uninstall it before 
installing the current version.


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Re: updates

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Ken Rudolph wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:
After all these years (since Netscape 1.0) I've basically given up on 
the SeaMonkey browser, replacing it with Firefox.  However, out of 
habit and utility, I still use SeaMonkey 2.49.1 for e-mail and 
Composer for updating my web site (I have separate links to open only 
those portions of the suite).  This means when I click on an e-mail 
link it opens the SeaMonkey browser in a separate window...which is 
OK by me usually. More often I just ^C the link and then paste it in 
Firefox.


This is working fine for me.  I've always been scared in the past 
when I had to manually do a SeaMonkey version update.  It always did 
work; but I had nervous moments fearful that I'd lose my profile etc. 
Obviously I haven't updated SeaMonkey for a while now.  I see the 
current version is 2.53.3.  So here's my question.  In my situation, 
should I do the SeaMonkey update just for the e-mail and composer 
parts?  Would there be some major advantage to doing the update? 
Everything that I need to do with the SeaMonkey portions other than 
the browser itself is working fine.  Do I need to do the update to 
the entire suite for some reason?


Thank you for Mozilla, however I use it!!



You can't update "just the e-mail and composer parts", it is one 
program.  I have absolutely no idea which Thunderbird fixes have gone 
in since 2.49.1, very little has happened with composer.  Lightning is 
now included, it was not back then.
If you do upgrade - and I see no reason not to - there are a couple of 
things you need to worry about:
- Starting 2.49.5, Seamonkey comes in 32-bit and 64-bit versions.  If 
you are going to move to a 64-bit version, UNINSTALL THE OLD VERSION  
> BEFORE INSTALLING THE NEW ONE.  This is because installing a 64-bit
version will not remove a 32-bit version, something which can have 
fatal side-effects.


I'm not sure if I have the 32 or 64 bit version of SeaMonkey.  I do see 
this in "about":


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


Does that x64 mean 64 bit version even if it is SM 2.49.1?

I've never worried about that in previous updates to SM.  But now you 
have me thinking that I better know whether to uninstall my current 
version (something that worries me) or not if it is the 32-bit version.


Thank you for the advice!



The first (Windows) Seamonkey which offered a 64-bit version officially 
was 2.49.5.  You have 2.49.1, so unless you downloaded an unofficial 
build from a different site - and I'm assuming you'd remember doing that 
- you have a 32-bit version.
That User Agent is a bit weird, I have looked up some old messages here 
and seen:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


If you do update - download a 64-bit 2.53.3, uninstall your old 
Seamonkey, backup the profile and install the new one.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

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Bill Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and 
Win7 computers.


The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I 
see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice 
each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various 
warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this 
behavior.


What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 
2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles 
by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another 
location).


I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 
and 64 bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 
bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct 
you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files 
are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are 
normally put in c:\program files.


Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey 
side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I 
have done this on a virtual machine.


My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where 
the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the 
installation of 2.49.5.


If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to 
the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of 
what binary file is being opened.


2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files 
(x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. 
Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to 
verify version numbers.


If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple 
locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey 
(and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then 
install a new copy.


Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both 
machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.


I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to 
the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- 
didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles.


I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail 
window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser 
windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's 
strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well!


As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the 
trouble of helping out we the bewildered!



Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.
When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the 
profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it 
useless for 2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN 
RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen.
If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of 
the files as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files 
with no content.  I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will 
cause those no-content files to be migrated in turn, you will have lost 
your original data.
The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no 
problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you 
switch between the two families.


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Re: constipated email continues

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David H. Durgee wrote:

I have been having problems with what I refer to as constipated email
since 2.49.4 and it still continues with 2.53.3 at present.  What I am
referring to is that new email for a POP3 account will no longer be
downloaded via periodic POP3 checks.  When I notice that I haven't
received any new email for a long enough period I then click on the "Get
Messages For Account" in the pop-up menu and I then receive the
following pop-up error:


The POP3 mail server (pop.verizon.net) does not support UIDL or XTND
XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum
Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail,
turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in
the Account Settings window.


The only way I have found to correct this problem is to restart
SeaMonkey.  Thankfully I now have the "restart" add-on to do this and in
virtually all cases that solves the problem.  In a rare few cases I get
the same pop-up error again and need to restart a second time.

Perhaps the biggest inconvenience of this whole thing is that the
periodic checks for new messages DO NOT display this pop-up when they
encounter it.  The pop-up error is only displayed for a manual message
retrieval.  Thus it can be hours before I notice that the bug has hit me
again.

Surely there is a way to request that periodic POP3 checks display error
messages when they have a problem.  That would allow me to correct the
situation quickly and thus be able to respond to urgent email in a
timely manner.


At least until the problem can be corrected I would like to be notified
that the problem is occurring again.  It would be even nicer if the log
of the POP3 diagnostics could be saved so that I could provide it to the
developers to allow them to correct the problem.

Dave



Reverting back to this thread, a question:
Did this behaviour start with 2.49.4 or did your usage of Seamonkey 
change when that level was current?  Specifically, your tendency to keep 
the program running for days at a time.
Obviously, I'm wondering if this bug was introduced at around that time 
or if it was there all along.  I suppose you would then need to work out 
what level you were using before 2.49.4.


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Re: constipated email on occasion - Frank-Rainer Grahl pls read this post

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David H. Durgee wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

At least one developer, Frank-Rainer Grahl, monitors this newsgroup.
Perhaps he can look at this post and let me know if it merits a bug
report.  It might be a known problem or one impossible to fix for some
reason.  As it is infrequent I can live with it if necessary.

Dave



If it is not easily reproducable a fix in the near future is unlikely.
Filing a bug in this case would only be good so that others who have the
same problem can find it and so can help track it down. With the current
state of affairs I just wouldn't just hold my breath for this to happen.
Bugs are cheap so your decision. Just don't be discouraged when nothing
happens with it.

FRG


I just had this bite me again today.  Annoying.

Is there a way to get pop-up notification when the POP mail request
fails in this manner?  Perhaps some config setting or a setting
somewhere in mail configuration I have missed?

Right now the only way I find out is if I right-click on the mail
account and select "get messages for account", as that WILL result in a
pop-up when there is an error.  If I am otherwise occupied I may not
notice for hours that I have a problem, which happened to me today.

Dave



If this is happening in Thunderbird as well - and WaltS48 seems to think 
it is - then a bug report against Thunderbird would be the best chance 
for a long term solution.

Maybe there is such a bug-report already, then it would need votes?

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Re: Access Denied - CarMax.com

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Danny Kile wrote:

Going to carmax.com I get the following error:

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.carmax.com/"; on this 
server.


Reference #18.2d891ab8.1596029342.1765be0e

I works just fine with Chrome.

What is my solution? Thank you!


This is a Seamonkey forum and your user-agent claims you are using 
Firefox 63.0.3, no trace of Seamonkey at all.

btw, I can also access that site with my geriatric version of Seamonkey.

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Re: Reset email passwords

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Richard Owlett wrote:

On 07/07/2020 12:45 PM, meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

On 07/07/2020 09:48 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 07/07/2020 08:40 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.49.4
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4

Build identifier: 20180711182954

My email provider is going thru his annual "Update Your Password" 
campaign. I've successfully changed the password on his end.


I can not remember how to reset SeaMonkey's copy of the password.
I can go to
   Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords > Password 
Manager

and display the existing password.

How do I change it?  ;{
I know I did it last year but can't remember how.
Please help a septuagenarian who is aging ;}
TIA



I think the way to go is to try and retrieve your emails using the 
old password.

It will fail, and ask you for the new password.
I think it should then ask you if you want to replace the old with 
the new (in Seamonkey).


You can't do it directly in the Password Manager.



That is what I expected to happen.
It *DID NOT*
When I select the account name and then click "Get Msgs" the 
response is:

Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server ** responded:
Invalid format for plain response.


Since the last time I used the account [less than 1 hour earlier 
today], *nothing* has changed on my end.


My connection sees the other end as a Pop Server using Port 110.
and the password being sent insecurely.




110?  Did your Mail provider tell you that the value had changed?
Mine are all Connection Security = SSL/TLS  which maps to Port 995.



I've been on Port 110 for years (decades even ;)
I had updated password on one account and at next login got the 
reported error message.
Immediately before telephoning my provider, I had checked email on a 
secondary account with no problem. While speaking to the tech about 
the 1st account, I had her reset the password on the secondary 
account. After I hung up, the secondary account gives the identical 
error message.


There must be a method to change SeaMonkey's copy of the password.
I *DID DO* it LAST year. Just don't remember how.





Pop3 on port 110 is the older of the two popular protocols used to 
retrieve eMail from remote mail servers. (The newer protocol, imap, 
the Internet message access protocol, uses port 143.)


Many ISP are changing to imap.


When I contacted them by phone I mentioned that I was served by their 
POP server. They are a local company and I've been a customer for three 
decades since they were a storefront in a strip mall.


In any case I need to know how to locally change the password it sends 
to the server.




Well, you can always delete the entry in the password manager.  It will 
then ask you for a password (along with your email user-name).  Since 
the exact form of the user-name varies between email providers, make 
sure you remember what it is supposed to look like.
In my case, the user-name could be hyperspace.flyover or 
hyperspace.flyo...@vogon.gov.


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Re: Reset email passwords

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Richard Owlett wrote:

On 07/07/2020 08:40 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.49.4
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4

Build identifier: 20180711182954

My email provider is going thru his annual "Update Your Password" 
campaign. I've successfully changed the password on his end.


I can not remember how to reset SeaMonkey's copy of the password.
I can go to
   Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords > Password 
Manager

and display the existing password.

How do I change it?  ;{
I know I did it last year but can't remember how.
Please help a septuagenarian who is aging ;}
TIA



I think the way to go is to try and retrieve your emails using the old 
password.

It will fail, and ask you for the new password.
I think it should then ask you if you want to replace the old with the 
new (in Seamonkey).


You can't do it directly in the Password Manager.



That is what I expected to happen.
It *DID NOT*
When I select the account name and then click "Get Msgs" the response is:

Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server ** responded:
Invalid format for plain response.


Since the last time I used the account [less than 1 hour earlier today], 
*nothing* has changed on my end.


My connection sees the other end as a Pop Server using Port 110.
and the password being sent insecurely.




110?  Did your Mail provider tell you that the value had changed?
Mine are all Connection Security = SSL/TLS  which maps to Port 995.

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Re: kind suggestion modify yours build environment for seamonkey to be compatible with chrooted linux distros

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote:

Dear specialists,
How complex would be to recode yours build environment for Seamonkey so it
would not require real Linux kernel such as Dbus connection routines.
Build environment could build even on userspace chrooted Linux
distributions. So even Android users would be able to build The stable
Seamonkey releases for Aarch64 architecture.
How much time would it require from Mozilla or Seamonkey developers to
create build scripts and routines which would work on chroot based Linux
distribution which do not have access to The ral Linux kernel?
Thank you very much for yours answers.
?



This is a bit of a non-answer, but:

- Seamonkey is basically Firefox + Thunderbird + a few extras.
- there is no Thunderbird version for Android, and no indication that 
one is planned.  This just leaves Firefox.


I'm not a developer but I don't see any point in producing a Firefox 
clone when Firefox is already available for that platform.


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