Re: Is it possible to save draft news messages?

[Ray_Net]

Dirk Munk wrote on 02-08-17 15:29:

Ant wrote:

On 8/1/2017 7:48 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote on 01-08-17 15:39:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:


I suppose the question is quite clear.

If I compose a normal email message, then it is automatically 
saved in

the Drafts folder, and I can save it there without sending it.

Is there something similar for news messages?


Sure, why not? File | Save As | Draft. It'll show up in the Drafts
folder for whatever account you use to post to the given newsgroup.



I don't have a "Draft" folders in any of my newsgroup accounts. When I
save a news message without sending it, it goes into 'local folders';
I can open it from there and post it easily


I think that for news ... the draft folder is under "Local Folders"


Yeah, by default unless the user changed it to somewhere else in 
"Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings".


Yes, that is true. However the message will not be saved is sending of 
the message fails. Even worse, if the message was saved as a draft 
prior to trying to send it, the saved message will also be lost.


Just to do a test, I save this message ... The Draft box of the "Local 
Folders" contain this message... then I cut internet .. then I try to 
send. "***"


The sending failed with my message still on the screen. (and still in 
the Draft box of the "Local Folders" - but with the text before the "***"

I reconnect internet then I send this message.
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Re: How to disable HTML5 auto play?

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Desiree wrote on 02-08-17 14:29:
I should have stayed on 2.46 as I am seeing a lot of horrible stuff 
with 2.48.  I won't use a browser where I cannot control HTML5 player 
and Flash Player.  I would prefer to totally disable HTML5 Player like 
I had it on earlier versions of SeaMonkey and only use Flash that I 
have full control over and is a better player.


Anyhow, HTML5 Player is in full control on this version of SeaMonkey.  
I tried looking for SeaMonkey extensions to control its autoplay 
garbage.  I don't understand why, when I go to Addons site via 
SeaMonkey/get addons and search for such an extension that what is 
shown me is stuff for Firefox Android not SeaMonkey browser!


Is there an extension to stop autoplay of HTML5 in SeaMonkey 2.48?  If 
not, how do I totally disable HTML5 playback?  I have HTML5 play 
disabled totally in both Pale Moon and Firefox 45.9 ESR and it wasn't 
easy to do and I don't know how in SeaMonkey.  I have an extension 
that forces Flash Player in HD on Youtube instead of the awful HTML5 
player there.  But that extension does not work on other websites.


I had under 2.46 disbabled the auto-play .. AND the result is : When I 
try to start the video ... NOWAY ! the video would not start - never 

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Re: Is it possible to save draft news messages?

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Bill Spikowski wrote on 01-08-17 15:39:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:


I suppose the question is quite clear.

If I compose a normal email message, then it is automatically saved in
the Drafts folder, and I can save it there without sending it.

Is there something similar for news messages?


Sure, why not? File | Save As | Draft. It'll show up in the Drafts 
folder for whatever account you use to post to the given newsgroup.



I don't have a "Draft" folders in any of my newsgroup accounts. When I 
save a news message without sending it, it goes into 'local folders'; 
I can open it from there and post it easily



I think that for news ... the draft folder is under "Local Folders"
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 released!

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Daniel wrote on 01-08-17 15:04:

On 1/08/2017 9:12 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Any date I give you will probably be bogus.

We are starting preparations now. Don't expect on in the next 3 weeks.

As usual as fast as spare time and build breaks permit.

FRG

Daniel wrote:


Any idea when I/we might expect a SM 2.49.1 Beta??


No rush, Frank-Rainer  just make it a good one!!

Be happy with 2.48 and don't ask for 2.47 nor 2.49 . Get the current 
release and wait ...

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Re: Facebook Purity Not Working With 2.48

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WaltS48 wrote on 01-08-17 03:45:

On 7/31/17 9:31 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 7/31/17 6:52 PM, Tom Pamin wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:
I use the extension Facebook Purity and it worked fine with 2.46. 
It's

not working with 2.48. Can anyone help?

I just went back to 2.46, and FB Purity is working fine again. So
something in 2.48 broke it.



When was the last time you updated the extension?

The current version is 19.1.0 released on 2017-07-04.




Yes, I'm using the current version.


Contact the developer of the extension.

Perhaps he should fiddle inside the zip file to accept the new version 
of SM (2.48)

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Re: SM2.48 (Mac) crashed during changing the SM-Apps like email

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Mexx Headrmmm wrote on 30-07-17 14:19:





and this is my chrash-id:
bp-a8055fd1-3f0c-4562-bf5b-42edb0170730



you just have to replace the end of the url by your id like:
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a8055fd1-3f0c-4562-bf5b-42edb0170730

and you have infos about your crash.
infos pointing to the bug: 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332164

Which is RESOLVED
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Re: Message undelete

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Mason83 wrote on 28-07-17 19:36:

On 27/07/2017 21:21, Rob Steinmetz wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 27/07/2017 7:33 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rob Steinmetz wrote:


WaltS48 wrote:

On 7/26/17 12:51 PM, EE wrote:

Rob Steinmetz wrote:

Is there a message undelete add on that works with SeaMonkey?

You can move a message from the trash to another folder.

What do they do if it isn't in the trash?

Is it an email or newsgroup message?


In this case it is an email message that has been moved to another
folder and the other folder is not showing the message. We're not
sure what is going on. It may be the folder's index is corrupt and
can be fixed. or the message may be lost. I was looking for an
undelete before I tried anything else and lost the messages
completely.

First check adjacent folders in the list -- I can't count the number of
times I've dragged and dropped a message into an adjacent folder by
mistake and couldn't find it because it wasn't where I thought I'd put
it.

Failing that, close SM and delete the .msf (index) file for the folder
in question. When you restart SeaMonkey, it'll build a new one. If the
message appears, you're done. If not, post back; you may be able to
recover it manually from the file but that's complicated.

In the interim, if SM offers to compact folders, be sure to refuse. If
it does, you'll lose all hope of recovery. And if you have it set to
compact folders automatically without asking, disable that feature.

Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Network & Storage
[ ] Compact all folders when it will save over nn MB in total


I, also, have dragged and dropped into the wrong folder and had to go
looking ... and finding and re-moving to the correct file.

Second thing for OP Rob to try . SeaMonkey stores it messages in one
file (e.g. inbox, sent, etc) and then has an associated index file (e.g.
inbox.msf, sent.msf).

If you close SeaMonkey and then delete all the *.msf files, when you
re-start SeaMonkey and address each folder in your profile, a new *.msf
file will be created for each folder in your profile (e.g. new
inbox.msf, sent.msf, whatever.msf, etc.) and, if your missing e-mail is
in any of the mail folders, it should show up.

Note:because you have not touched the actual files which hold your mail
(inbox, sent, whatever, etc), your mail should not be lost!!


Thanks for All of the suggestions. I'm pretty much aware of all of them.

In my experience email properly marked as deleted in the MBOX file will
not show up if a new index is created. It will show up if the index is
somehow corrupt.

I did find this add on for Thunderbird:


RECOVER DELETED MESSAGES: an extension that allows to recover deleted messages, if the 
folder has not been compacted yet. To use it, select the folder, right-click and choose 
"Recover deleted messages", then follow the messages in status bar.
 From the 0.2 version it should be able also to recover deleted messages from 
Imap folders, if they're set for offline use.
Localized in english and italian.
latest: 0.4 version (TB - compatibile 2.0 or higher)

I was hoping something similar was available for Sea Monkey. I'll
probably try to convert it to SeaMonkey and try it out.

Did you try opening the source mbox with a text editor?
If you haven't compacted the mbox, the message should
be there with a tag indicating it is deleted.

Regards.

So, it would be easy to change de tag indicating not-deleted ?
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Re: Why Backup Profile

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meagain wrote on 25-07-17 20:01:

On 7/25/2017 11:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

meagain wrote on 25-07-17 17:14:

On 7/25/2017 10:46 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/25/2017 6:33 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

meagain wrote on 25-07-17 13:46:

Why do I have to make backups of the SM 'profile' - couldn't the
profile
just be in Dropbox?
If you do an action that destroy your profile, It will be 
destroyed in

your dropbox.

It's not so difficult to copy, when SM in not running, your current
profile:
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default 




Into per exemple this directory:
C:\MYBACKUP\SM\PROFILE\2.46\2017-july-17\



My five profiles are NOT anywhere on my C-drive.  I believe I am 
not the

only SeaMonkey user who has put profiles elsewhere.

To find your profiles, enter about:profiles in SeaMonkey's address 
area

(URI area).



Dropbox has a directory "Apps" where some applications store their
data, each in its own folder. In case of damage DB backs-up all
versions for a month (free).

So, David, how does one 'move' a profile to another c-drive?



Will the dropbox backup occurs when SM is not running ?


When a file is not 'in use' Dropbox indexes it (creates a CRC) then 
uploads it (using the CRC to make sure it matches - actually the CRC 
is on each piece of 5MB or so).  The backup store is done when the 
file is replaced.
I hate those automatic actions ... never sure that the backup occur at a 
right time.

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Re: Why Backup Profile

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WaltS48 wrote on 25-07-17 17:49:

On 7/25/17 11:13 AM, Mozillian wrote:

Using what ?
Steps please !
So we all can learn.
Even stupids like me.



Well, here on Linux I insert my USB flash drive, go to the .mozilla 
profile folder on my HD, right click, select Copy, select the flash 
drive and click Paste. Sometimes I'll enter the .mozilla folder and 
select one profile and just copy and paste it into the ./mozilla 
folder on the flash drive.


Takes awhile and involves answering questions about whether I want to 
Skip or Replace items, but it works for me.



To mention that SM must not be running when you copy/paste.
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Re: Why Backup Profile

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote on 25-07-17 17:10:

On 7/25/17 at 9:33 AM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius:

meagain wrote on 25-07-17 13:46:
Why do I have to make backups of the SM 'profile' - couldn't the 
profile

just be in Dropbox?
If you do an action that destroy your profile, It will be destroyed 
in your dropbox.


It's not so difficult to copy, when SM in not running, your current 
profile:
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default 



Into per exemple this directory: 
C:\MYBACKUP\SM\PROFILE\2.46\2017-july-17\


Won't help if the drive dies.  Computer users should be doing regular 
backups to different media/drive using a good backup program like ToDo 
Backup.  My boot drive and programs/data drive are imaged daily.


I have also the use of the "Synchronize It!" program that I run it 
frequently to copy some important directories from my hard-disk-drive 
onto an external disk-drive.

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Re: Why Backup Profile

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meagain wrote on 25-07-17 17:14:

On 7/25/2017 10:46 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/25/2017 6:33 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

meagain wrote on 25-07-17 13:46:
Why do I have to make backups of the SM 'profile' - couldn't the 
profile

just be in Dropbox?

If you do an action that destroy your profile, It will be destroyed in
your dropbox.

It's not so difficult to copy, when SM in not running, your current 
profile:
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default 



Into per exemple this directory: 
C:\MYBACKUP\SM\PROFILE\2.46\2017-july-17\




My five profiles are NOT anywhere on my C-drive.  I believe I am not the
only SeaMonkey user who has put profiles elsewhere.

To find your profiles, enter about:profiles in SeaMonkey's address area
(URI area).



Dropbox has a directory "Apps" where some applications store their 
data, each in its own folder. In case of damage DB backs-up all 
versions for a month (free).


So, David, how does one 'move' a profile to another c-drive?



Will the dropbox backup occurs when SM is not running ?
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Re: Why Backup Profile

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meagain wrote on 25-07-17 13:46:

Why do I have to make backups of the SM 'profile' - couldn't the profile
just be in Dropbox?
If you do an action that destroy your profile, It will be destroyed in 
your dropbox.


It's not so difficult to copy, when SM in not running, your current profile:
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default

Into per exemple this directory: C:\MYBACKUP\SM\PROFILE\2.46\2017-july-17\
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Re: Updating from 2.46 to 2.48

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Jonathan Wilson wrote on 25-07-17 08:53:
Is there an official verified working release of SM 2.48 final I can 
download? Or should I wait for the auto-updater to offer me the update?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

I have this http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/  as my home page, SO 
I know when I can download the full released version.

I never do an update.
I backup my profile when SM in ot running.
I download the new full version.
I uninstall my current version.
I install the new version.
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Re: Website won't Let me logout

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 19-07-17 14:03:

When I login in to www.pacemakerclub.com with SM 2.46, it won't accept my click on the 
"Logout"
button. It just keeps me logged in. In addition, when I click on "Private 
Messages", it won't let me
read them. Not a problem with Edge, Google Chrome or Firefox.

I have cleared "cache" and removed any "cookies" associated with the site but 
nothing helps. Is
there anything else I can "Clear"?

Perhaps, if you use AdBlockPlus, you can disable AdBlockPlus for this domain
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Re: My first SM crash on my windows10 machine

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 30-06-17 14:30:

Ray_Net wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote on 29-06-17 16:46:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-03f0a00d-849d-4242-9d04-aea2b0170629
Date submitted: 29-06-1711:29
Related to this bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132

   * 1361132
 <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132>RESOLVED FIXED
 Crash in `Microsoft::WRL::Module::Create''::`2''::`dynamic atexit
 destructor for ''moduleSingleton (win10 creators update)


In What version of SM could be hope to have the cure ?



I don't have an answer but do have a question. What version of Win 10 Creators 
Update are you using?
I have the latest  version 1703 build 15063.413 issued 6/14/57 and was 
wondering if you are using
the same version.

I don't know what a "Win 10 Creators Update" is.
I have Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version: 10.0.15063 build 15063
x64 based PC

Note: This is strange that your issue date is the 14 of june of 1957 :-)

What is the 3 digit code at the end of the build? Mine is 15063.413 You can 
find it using the Winver
command in PowerShell

"winver" command give me "Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.413)"
"System Information" did not give me the "413" info.
And finally I did not know what a "Win 10 Creators Update" is so I 
cannot give you the version of this stuff.

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Re: My first SM crash on my windows10 machine

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 29-06-17 16:46:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-03f0a00d-849d-4242-9d04-aea2b0170629
Date submitted: 29-06-1711:29
Related to this bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132

  * 1361132
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132>RESOLVED FIXED
Crash in `Microsoft::WRL::Module::Create''::`2''::`dynamic atexit
destructor for ''moduleSingleton (win10 creators update)


In What version of SM could be hope to have the cure ?



I don't have an answer but do have a question. What version of Win 10 Creators 
Update are you using?
I have the latest  version 1703 build 15063.413 issued 6/14/57 and was 
wondering if you are using
the same version.

I don't know what a "Win 10 Creators Update" is.
I have Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version: 10.0.15063 build 15063
x64 based PC

Note: This is strange that your issue date is the 14 of june of 1957 :-)
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My first SM crash on my windows10 machine

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http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-03f0a00d-849d-4242-9d04-aea2b0170629
Date submitted: 29-06-1711:29
Related to this bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132

 * 1361132
   RESOLVED FIXED
   Crash in `Microsoft::WRL::Module::Create''::`2''::`dynamic atexit
   destructor for ''moduleSingleton (win10 creators update)


In What version of SM could be hope to have the cure ?


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Re: Breakpoint Exception

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 28-06-17 16:18:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 6/28/17 5:44 AM, Daniel wrote:



One would have to wonder  If the plug-in crashes, how
functional would the browser be? Take it all out?? Just that Tab??


You know how you get the "Activate Flash" box where a video should be
in a web page? Well, when you activate Flash to view the video and
Flash crashes, you see that a message in that space.

The rest of the page or site is still working, the rest of the
browser continues to work.


Yep, that's the whole point of the plugin container -- to isolate 
plugin crashes and allow the browser to survive them.


So the solution is to upgrade the offending plugin instead of saying 
that SM is bad.

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Re: "Something is Preventing Seamonkey From Updating Securely"

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Ray_Net wrote on 27-06-17 21:36:

Arnie Goetchius wrote on 27-06-17 21:10:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/27/17 1:08 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/27/17 11:49 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I do have the latest version (2.46)downloaded from 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ in Dec 2016
Any suggestions on to get rid of this? As far as I know, there no 
"official" release of anything

higher than 2.46


Sounds like a malware attack to me.

I think you are right but I ran Malwarebytes and AVG they found 
nothing


Is there a specific web site/page where you get this message, or it 
just occurs on any site?



I get the message when I click on Help and then Check For Updates

When i do the same step .. SM told me that there is no update available.
And this is OK ... what is the problem ? 2.46 is the latest stable 
officila release, so no need to update.
Soory I just realise that instead of having the message "there is no 
update available" you have the message "Something is preventing..."

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Re: "Something is Preventing Seamonkey From Updating Securely"

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 27-06-17 21:10:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/27/17 1:08 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/27/17 11:49 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

I do have the latest version (2.46)downloaded from 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ in Dec 2016
Any suggestions on to get rid of this? As far as I know, there no "official" 
release of anything
higher than 2.46


Sounds like a malware attack to me.


I think you are right but I ran Malwarebytes and AVG they found nothing


Is there a specific web site/page where you get this message, or it just occurs 
on any site?


I get the message when I click on Help and then Check For Updates

When i do the same step .. SM told me that there is no update available.
And this is OK ... what is the problem ? 2.46 is the latest stable 
officila release, so no need to update.

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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

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Dirk Munk wrote on 22-06-17 18:16:

rickman wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 6/22/2017 10:18 AM:

Ray_Net wrote:


chokito wrote on 22-06-17 10:35:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1371325


"C++ dates *will not* respect regional setting for any other
language,"

So US to GB ... the regional setting is repeceted but not for US to
FR, US to DE, US to BE etc ...

Why GB only is honored ? ... because theyr speak english as in US ?
:-(


Well, as you may know, they DON'T speak English as in the US. They 
speak a

very different variety. ;-)


I don't recall who said the US and the UK are two countries divided 
by a common language.



George Bernard Shaw, so it seems.

Anyway, it's not normal that :

Only for US to GB ... the regional setting is respected.
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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

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chokito wrote on 22-06-17 10:35:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1371325


"C++ dates *will not* respect regional setting for any other language,"

So US to GB ... the regional setting is repeceted but not for
US to FR, US to DE, US to BE etc ...

Why GB only is honored ? ... because theyr speak english as in US ? :-(

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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

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Dirk Munk wrote on 21-06-17 15:48:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:


Yesterday I got a message that I could update tot SM 2.51, and I
did.

So now I'm running 64 bit SM 2.51 Build identifier: 20170619085306 .

I noticed that the date & time presentation doens't folloe the
regional settings of Windows. I'm running the English version of
Windows 10, but with Dutch regional settings.

However, now I see the American date & time format with the messages,
so 6/21/2017 03:15PM, instead of 21/06/2017 15:15.

I don't think it's a SM setting.


If it's not, then other programs should show the same error, right?

In previous versions of Windows, you could choose among several 
date/time options for many countries. Look in Control Panel under 
Regional Options (or whatever Win10 calls it).


I wrote "I'm running the English version of Windows 10, but with Dutch 
regional settings."


The Date & Time stamps in Windows explorer are fine, this is a SM 
problem.

I have also Windows10 english with my regional DD/MM/YYY 24hours-format
and it's ok inside Windows Explorer.
I am with SM -> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; 
rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

Where can I see
6/21/2017 03:15PM inside SM ?

I never receive messages saying that I must upgrade 
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Re: Viewing attachments!

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Ray_Net wrote on 17-06-17 00:56:

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38:

Ray_Net wrote:

NO ! You are not responsible for that.
You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a
MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff.


If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn 
proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I 
would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to 
use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard 
attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook?



Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions .

https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717

Oups, sorry I wrote it in french :-)
So: It is not so complicated to follow those instructions.

https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717

I did not have outlook.exe, but I have an account here 
https://login.live.com and so able to send a mail with my hotmail adress 
and the attached jpg is a jpg file attachment not a winmail.dat.

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Re: Viewing attachments!

[Ray_Net]

Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38:

Ray_Net wrote:

NO ! You are not responsible for that.
You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a
MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff.


If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn 
proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I 
would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use 
a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How 
confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook?



Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions .

https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717
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Re: Viewing attachments!

[Ray_Net]

Daniel wrote on 16-06-17 14:37:

On 16/06/2017 5:12 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 16/06/2017 2:42 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8
MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is"
and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment.


Are you sure that's her and no some scammer spoofing her? Have you
confirmed it with her?


Hmm!! Good question  no, I haven't, but will do before trying
Jonathan's suggestion.

Tks

O.K., e-mail back from my sister (Was it really her??) indicating the 
attachment was a jpg of the Galileo Museum ... and it was from her!


And now the brother-in-law has sent another e-mail, with another 
webmail.dat attachment ... so I suppose I'll have to give Jonathan's 
suggestion a go!!



NO ! You are not responsible for that.
You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a 
MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff.

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[PROBLEM SOLVED] -Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

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The culprit is AdBlock-Plus :-)

Sorry for the disturbance.
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Re: what's going on with internet video?

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote on 12-06-17 19:19:

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 11-06-17 20:19:

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 6/10/2017 9:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
On 6/9/17 at 4:41 PM, Lemuel Johnson's prodigious digits fired off 
with

great aplomb:

<< ... snip... >>


I'm having problems in particular with Vimeo, for example:
https://vimeo.com/219207963

The video plays in a SM default profile, but not in my normal one,
even with all plug-ins set to "Never Activate" and all extensions
disabled. The "play" button switches to "pause" when clicked, but 
the

video doesn't start.  I assume corruption somewhere, but where?

Lem Johnson


Same here.  Nothing on Vimeo works unless using a default profile.
Nothing jumps out at me looking at User Set prefs.




I opened the Firebug console and attempted to play the video. When I
click Play in my normal profile, four messages appear, the video does
not play:

ReferenceError: reference to undefined property t[a][u].handler
for(var
u=0,c=t[a].length;u<c;u++)if(t[a][u].handler===i){s=r;break}if(s===-1)re... 



player.js (line 4, col 35)

ReferenceError: reference to undefined property 
e._seekInProgressPromise

...kTimer(),this._onReady.then(function(){return
_t.resolve(e._seekInProgressPromis...   player.js (line 13, col 28591)

ReferenceError: reference to undefined property e.c3
...f.exists(e.ns_st_ci)||(e.ns_st_ci="0"),f.exists(e.c3)||(e.c3="*null"),f.exists(e... 



streamsmin.js (line 1, col 0)

ReferenceError: reference to undefined property m[1]
...var
m=h[d].split("="),g=unescape(m[0]),y=unescape(m[1]);g&&(t[g]=y)}var
b={};for...streamsmin.js (line 1, col 1013)

In the SM default profile, no messages appear, the video plays. 
Color me

confused.

Lem Johnson


It would seem that you need "media.autoplay.enabled" to be set to
true. I have a toggle button that I can use on that to switch it, and
a video did not play unless that was true.


How did you create such a button ?


I got the extension "Custom Buttons" 
(https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/custom-buttons/), 
bumped up the max version for SeaMonkey in install.rdf (which is 
within the .xpi archive), and installed it.  I got the code which goes 
into it to create the button from 2 posts by Frank Lion on 
forums.mozillazine.org.  This is the page:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14723062#p14723062


Thank you, but too complicated to me ...
but my current problem is that the video doesnot play evenwhile with
"media.autoplay.enabled" true.
See my post: Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with 
"media.autoplay.enabled" false

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Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

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Ray_Net wrote on 12-06-17 21:37:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12-06-17 20:51:

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12-06-17 13:08:

Ray_Net wrote:


Hello,

http://www.rtl.be/tv/rtltvi/emissions/la-grande-balade

Says "Une erreur s'est produite, veuillez rafraichir la page."


["An error occurred, please refresh the page"]


instead of playing the video

"media.autoplay.enabled" is false ... and I did not find a way to
start the video, nor other videos on the same page.


WFM ("la boule de Julien").

media.autoplay.enabled is true by default here, but if I switch it to
false, clear cache and cookies, and reload the page, it autoplays
anyway. Rude!

Can you see the controls if you mouse over the vid?


When you switch the value of "media.autoplay.enabled" to false ... did
you stop then restart SM before doing your test ?


I didn't the first time, but I did just now. Result: I get an image 
of the food with a superimposed "play" button, but the video doesn't 
autoplay. When I click the "play" button (what you call a 
"triangle"), the video plays normally.



There is no control to be seen when my mouse go over the video.
Il I click on a triangle in the middle of another video on this same
page, instead of playing the video, I got the ["An error occurred,
please refresh the page"] message.


On my machine (Win7 Pro SP1, with Adobe Flash and Shockwave), mousing 
over the video causes it to display a "play/pause" button (a 
rightward-pointing triangle inside a contrasting circle), a progress 
bar, a volume control, a size control, and two timers (variable 
progress so far on the left, fixed total video length on the right).


After I changed media.autoplay.enabled back to true, even without 
restarting SM, the video autoplayed as expected.


So I cannot stay with "media.autoplay.enabled" false. Otherwise I got 
only an error message.

...
BUT NOW - it's completely broken.
With "media.autoplay.enabled" true, cache cleared and cookies about 
this domain, and a reboot of the pc the video will not play, I 
just have this error message.

Videos at youtube site works correctly.

Perhaps the problem came with cookies from another domain than rtl.be ...
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Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12-06-17 20:51:

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12-06-17 13:08:

Ray_Net wrote:


Hello,

http://www.rtl.be/tv/rtltvi/emissions/la-grande-balade

Says "Une erreur s'est produite, veuillez rafraichir la page."


["An error occurred, please refresh the page"]


instead of playing the video

"media.autoplay.enabled" is false ... and I did not find a way to
start the video, nor other videos on the same page.


WFM ("la boule de Julien").

media.autoplay.enabled is true by default here, but if I switch it to
false, clear cache and cookies, and reload the page, it autoplays
anyway. Rude!

Can you see the controls if you mouse over the vid?


When you switch the value of "media.autoplay.enabled" to false ... did
you stop then restart SM before doing your test ?


I didn't the first time, but I did just now. Result: I get an image of 
the food with a superimposed "play" button, but the video doesn't 
autoplay. When I click the "play" button (what you call a "triangle"), 
the video plays normally.



There is no control to be seen when my mouse go over the video.
Il I click on a triangle in the middle of another video on this same
page, instead of playing the video, I got the ["An error occurred,
please refresh the page"] message.


On my machine (Win7 Pro SP1, with Adobe Flash and Shockwave), mousing 
over the video causes it to display a "play/pause" button (a 
rightward-pointing triangle inside a contrasting circle), a progress 
bar, a volume control, a size control, and two timers (variable 
progress so far on the left, fixed total video length on the right).


After I changed media.autoplay.enabled back to true, even without 
restarting SM, the video autoplayed as expected.


So I cannot stay with "media.autoplay.enabled" false. Otherwise I got 
only an error message.

...
BUT NOW - it's completely broken.
With "media.autoplay.enabled" true, cache cleared and cookies about this 
domain, and a reboot of the pc the video will not play, I just have 
this error message.

Videos at youtube site works correctly.
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Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12-06-17 13:08:

Ray_Net wrote:


Hello,

http://www.rtl.be/tv/rtltvi/emissions/la-grande-balade

Says "Une erreur s'est produite, veuillez rafraichir la page."


["An error occurred, please refresh the page"]


instead of playing the video

"media.autoplay.enabled" is false ... and I did not find a way to
start the video, nor other videos on the same page.


WFM ("la boule de Julien").

media.autoplay.enabled is true by default here, but if I switch it to 
false, clear cache and cookies, and reload the page, it autoplays 
anyway. Rude!


Can you see the controls if you mouse over the vid?

When you switch the value of "media.autoplay.enabled" to false ... did 
you stop then restart SM before doing your test ?

There is no control to be seen when my mouse go over the video.
Il I click on a triangle in the middle of another video on this same 
page, instead of playing the video, I got the ["An error occurred, 
please refresh the page"] message.

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Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

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Hello,

http://www.rtl.be/tv/rtltvi/emissions/la-grande-balade

Says "Une erreur s'est produite, veuillez rafraichir la page."

instead of playing the video

"media.autoplay.enabled" is false ... and I did not find a way to start 
the video, nor other videos on the same page.

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Re: what's going on with internet video?

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote on 11-06-17 20:19:

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 6/10/2017 9:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 6/9/17 at 4:41 PM, Lemuel Johnson's prodigious digits fired off with
great aplomb:

<< ... snip... >>


I'm having problems in particular with Vimeo, for example:
https://vimeo.com/219207963

The video plays in a SM default profile, but not in my normal one,
even with all plug-ins set to "Never Activate" and all extensions
disabled. The "play" button switches to "pause" when clicked, but the
video doesn't start.  I assume corruption somewhere, but where?

Lem Johnson


Same here.  Nothing on Vimeo works unless using a default profile.
Nothing jumps out at me looking at User Set prefs.




I opened the Firebug console and attempted to play the video. When I
click Play in my normal profile, four messages appear, the video does
not play:

ReferenceError: reference to undefined property t[a][u].handler
for(var
u=0,c=t[a].length;u

Re: Seamonkey gets in the way and is useless for me and causes me more work

[Ray_Net]

MozUser wrote on 09-06-17 03:59:

not the Thunderbird info.

I ALREADY have Thunderbird  set as suggested.

It is the Windows instructions, these are for some previous version of 
windows.


If I follow then I get to the first Windows screen that does not have 
what the web page says will be there.


If I fiddle and try to find what I think is the same Windows interface 
the second web page item is NOT there.


The web page does not address Windows 10.


http://www.officetooltips.com/office/tips/how_to_modify_default_mail_client_in_windows_10.html
https://pchelp.ricmedia.com/change-default-email-client-windows-10/
https://www.howtogeek.com/223144/how-to-set-your-default-apps-in-windows-10/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v3On77NDT8

It would be better for you tu use SeaMonkey for Newsgroups AND for mail.
SeaMonkey have been created for that and it works correctly. (and 
more... SM mail client is based on Thunderbird application)

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Re: Seamonkey Icons Revisited

[Ray_Net]

rickman wrote on 07-06-17 15:10:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/7/2017 7:13 AM:

rickman wrote on 06-06-17 18:54:

MozUser wrote on 6/6/2017 12:12 PM:
All that jabber and I did not see where anyone could tell me the 
meaning of
those icons.  Are all of them defined someplace or are we just 
supposed to
ignore their meaning ?  I think not otherwise why would they bother 
to put

them up !

I am talking about the area where the unexpanded posts and expanded 
post
trees are shown and only the icons that are in the column just to 
the left
of the "Subject" column.  That's the column that has an icon in the 
header,

under which there are only icons.


Here is a link to a screen capture of my SeaMonkey.  Two message 
icons are
circled.  The top one indicates a message that has been downloaded 
before

the previous time of viewing this group. Obviously most of the icons
displayed look like this.  The bottom circled icon is on a message that
was recently downloaded and so is "new".  Once I leave the group and
return, this icon will turn into the other one.

Notice there is no difference in the icons for read vs. unread 
messages.

The bold type indicates unread messages.

http://arius.com/images/SeaMonkey_message_icons.png


I have an icon with a green bottom arrow when the post is not readed.
When readed this icon dissappear - but reappear without the green 
arrow when

i force the "not read" status.
That's an explanation after testing .. You can do the same and then 
write it

to your documentation text file.


If your message icon disappears when a message is read, then your 
system operates differently than mine.  I see three icons on message 
subjects. When a post is "new" the icon includes the green arrow.  
When it is no longer new the arrow dissapears and the "balloon" is 
either light grey, or darker grey.  Usually the balloon is light grey, 
but in some groups they are mostly dark grey.  I had not noticed the 
difference in darkness until just now.  It appears this is related to 
the "downloaded" status, but only in some groups.  There are a few 
posters in some groups where their posts are marked as "read" by 
filters without being downloaded.  Their posts are light grey as are 
unread posts. Posts that have been downloaded when read have a dark 
grey icon. In other groups all icons are light grey and do not change 
when read or downloaded.


I have also seen one icon which appeared to have a key or something 
similar over top of the the balloon icon.  But that group had a number 
of "expired" posts (some as recent as a few weeks ago) and when I 
"repaired" the folder all but a handful were removed, including the 
post with this odd icon.


Yes, I would say an icon glossary is in order.  I am not at all sure 
what most of these message icons mean.  At this point I'm not even 
sure SeaMonkey is working correctly on my computer.


Perhaps you have installed a "Theme and skin" ... Mine is the default 
that come with my first installation of SM.

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Re: Seamonkey Icons Revisited

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rickman wrote on 06-06-17 18:54:

MozUser wrote on 6/6/2017 12:12 PM:
All that jabber and I did not see where anyone could tell me the 
meaning of
those icons.  Are all of them defined someplace or are we just 
supposed to
ignore their meaning ?  I think not otherwise why would they bother 
to put

them up !

I am talking about the area where the unexpanded posts and expanded post
trees are shown and only the icons that are in the column just to the 
left
of the "Subject" column.  That's the column that has an icon in the 
header,

under which there are only icons.


Here is a link to a screen capture of my SeaMonkey.  Two message icons 
are circled.  The top one indicates a message that has been downloaded 
before the previous time of viewing this group. Obviously most of the 
icons displayed look like this.  The bottom circled icon is on a 
message that was recently downloaded and so is "new".  Once I leave 
the group and return, this icon will turn into the other one.


Notice there is no difference in the icons for read vs. unread 
messages. The bold type indicates unread messages.


http://arius.com/images/SeaMonkey_message_icons.png


I have an icon with a green bottom arrow when the post is not readed.
When readed this icon dissappear - but reappear without the green arrow 
when i force the "not read" status.
That's an explanation after testing .. You can do the same and then 
write it to your documentation text file.

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Re: New user - with questions

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Ed Mullen wrote on 05-06-17 16:08:
On 6/5/17 at 7:51 AM, Richard Alan's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !


No, an SMTP server is not needed.


Agreed. Posting a newsgroup message/reply is handled via NNTP.




Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
needed...


Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.



Two buttons, one Reply, one Reply All. In the drop-down for Reply are: 
Reply to Newsgroup, and, Reply to Sender Only. The latter would use 
the SMTP server since it would be an email, not a news post. In Reply 
All are: Reply to Sender and Newsgroup, and, Reply to All Recipients. 
The former would use the SMTP server since the sender reply would be 
an email. The newsgroup post would use NNTP to post the reply to the 
group.



Perfect explanation - thanks.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Richard Alan wrote on 05-06-17 13:51:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !

No, an SMTP server is not needed.


Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
needed...

Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.

This is what I had understood ...
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 15:05:

On 6/5/17 2:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing 
Server (SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the 
NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.

The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my 
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.

And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender 
Only" ... try it




I always use Followup, and proved you don't need a SMTP server for a 
newsgroup account.


You can use whatever makes you happy. Enjoy!


All that is ok, fo me, I have all well understood.
I was just saying to rickman (who did not have any smtp server) that he 
cannot do a

"Reply to the Sender Only" (this is what Chris Ilias have explained to me)
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Re: New user - with questions

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rickman wrote on 05-06-17 09:20:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/5/2017 2:06 AM:

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 00:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org

account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.

This screen did not ask you about an SMTP server.
I have checked with a mail account, and this is the same for a mail 
account
or a newsgroup account, the need of an smtp server is on the screen I 
show

you this is on the parameter of the account, not of the server.
The server settings are for READ and the account settings are for WRITE.


When you click on Server Settings, what does it say for server type?  
If it says NNTP then you are editing a news server setup. If it says 
POP mail server (or maybe IMAP) then this is a setup for an email server.



Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !
Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server 
needed...

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 00:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org

account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for 
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".


Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you 
another screen for NNTP server type.

This screen did not ask you about an SMTP server.
I have checked with a mail account, and this is the same for a mail 
account or a newsgroup account, the need of an smtp server is on the 
screen I show you this is on the parameter of the account, not of the 
server.

The server settings are for READ and the account settings are for WRITE.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server 
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.

The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my 
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.

And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender 
Only" ... try it


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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote on 04-06-17 18:35:
On 6/4/17 at 11:21 AM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up 
this

point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP 
server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via 
the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) 
server

without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP 
server

provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means 
from

SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. 
sending

an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though. I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp 
servers

and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. 
There I read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News 
Server). Do you get something different?

Larry S.
Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on 
Server Settings."

I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?



Ascreen shot would be really helpful.


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org account:

http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s
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Re: New user - with questions

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Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 16:50:

On 2017-06-04 4:43 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated 
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.


I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access 
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options 
for this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp 
servers and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".


That's exclusively for the "Reply To Sender Only" function.

Ha ha ... OK  So when I post a message on a newsgroup my SMTP server 
is not called 

I this is true, I understand now the OP at 100%.
Sorry for my little slow brain :-)
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Re: New user - with questions

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WaltS48 wrote on 04-06-17 16:05:

Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server.
Mail is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP
server). Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via
the same server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP
(newsgroup) server without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able
to send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP
server ?


Setup Mail & Newsgroups with just a Newsgroup account. Like I just did.

Subscribe to newsgroups.

Compose a message, click Send.
OK, Chris Ilias gives me the full information about my SMTP setting of 
my newsgroup account.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the 
same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) 
server

without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There 
I read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News 
Server). Do you get something different?

Larry S.
Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server 
Settings."

I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?

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Re: New user - with questions

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Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same 
server. Mail

is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was 
able to

send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an 
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol 
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from 
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending 
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I 
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know 
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the 
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that 
converts between SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to 
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated 
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access 
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for 
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers 
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".

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Re: Seamonkey Icons

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rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:32:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:21 AM:

Ray_Net wrote on 03-06-17 00:14:

rickman wrote on 02-06-17 16:51:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/2/2017 9:26 AM:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 02-06-17 00:31:

Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:22:45 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:58:56 -0700, /Mozillian/:

Explain to me how this is relevant to SeaMonkey and what the 
MEANING is

for its use in SeaMonkey.


"how this is relevant to SeaMonkey"

It has described couple of SeaMonkey internals.

"what the MEANING is for its use in SeaMonkey"

If you're tech-savvy enough you could use this internals 
knowledge to

better customize SeaMonkey to your specific needs, for example.


Note I've also given the following explanation:


You would see images like:

chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-closed.png
chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-new-closed.png

They indicate a message thread, and generally mean that – there are
multiple messages in a thread.  The one with the green arrow 
indicate

there are unread messages in the thread.


If you can't understand some or all of it – please state so. Then 
ask a
more specific question like "What a message thread is?", or 
"What's unread

message?", though I think all of it is pretty straightforward to
comprehend if you have basic email usage experience.

Is it SO IMPORTANT to know the meaning of icons ? Everybody don't 
care

about
it.
And what is "how this is relevant to SeaMonkey" ?

The developers do their best to create self-explanatory icons.
If the OP want to know more, he can participate to the development 
...


I'm not sure why you made your post.  The icons are not self 
explanatory

and often too small to even see clearly.  Software without proper
documentation is not of much use.  Telling someone who has 
questions to

participate in development is silly.

The best way of using button, is that when the mouse fly over the 
button,

It should be a pop-up explaining the meaning of the button.
That's what the OP should ask for an enhancement of SeaMonkey.
And more  to be able to have this possibility, the only way, to 
be sure

it will be implemented is to participate to the development.


You are completely missing the point of the thread and having a 
conversation only with yourself.  The OP was asking about the meaning 
of the icons used in SeaMonkey.  Are you suggesting he should reverse 
engineer the code and write his own documentation?


No ... I just suggest that SeaMonkey must be modified to show an 
explanation of any icon when the mouse fly over like when the mouse is 
over the big "SPELL" button, a text appeared saying "Check spelling of 
selection or entire page". and I have added that if we want that then we 
should do it by ourself "participating to the development" is the only 
way to have this possibility, because I don't believe that if we post an 
"enhancement/bug" it will be done by the current developpers. This is 
not a reverse engineering to create his own documentation ... this is 
coding SeaMonkey to achieve what I have explained, so everybody can 
understand all icons.

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Re: New user - with questions

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rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. 
Mail

is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.

Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was 
able to

send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP 
server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol which 
is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from SMTP 
which is implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending 
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I don't 
know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know if this 
requires a special email program that actually sends the message by 
NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that converts between 
SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to 
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?

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Re: New user - with questions

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mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this 
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. 
Mail is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP 
server). Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via 
the same server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP 
(newsgroup) server without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able 
to send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server 
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP 
server ?

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Re: Seamonkey Icons

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote on 03-06-17 00:14:

rickman wrote on 02-06-17 16:51:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/2/2017 9:26 AM:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 02-06-17 00:31:

Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:22:45 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:58:56 -0700, /Mozillian/:

Explain to me how this is relevant to SeaMonkey and what the 
MEANING is

for its use in SeaMonkey.


"how this is relevant to SeaMonkey"

It has described couple of SeaMonkey internals.

"what the MEANING is for its use in SeaMonkey"

If you're tech-savvy enough you could use this internals knowledge to
better customize SeaMonkey to your specific needs, for example.


Note I've also given the following explanation:


You would see images like:

chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-closed.png
chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-new-closed.png

They indicate a message thread, and generally mean that – there are
multiple messages in a thread.  The one with the green arrow indicate
there are unread messages in the thread.


If you can't understand some or all of it – please state so. Then 
ask a
more specific question like "What a message thread is?", or "What's 
unread

message?", though I think all of it is pretty straightforward to
comprehend if you have basic email usage experience.

Is it SO IMPORTANT to know the meaning of icons ? Everybody don't 
care about

it.
And what is "how this is relevant to SeaMonkey" ?

The developers do their best to create self-explanatory icons.
If the OP want to know more, he can participate to the development ...


I'm not sure why you made your post.  The icons are not self 
explanatory and often too small to even see clearly.  Software 
without proper documentation is not of much use.  Telling someone who 
has questions to participate in development is silly.


The best way of using button, is that when the mouse fly over the 
button, It should be a pop-up explaining the meaning of the button.

That's what the OP should ask for an enhancement of SeaMonkey.
And more  to be able to have this possibility, the only way, to be 
sure it will be implemented is to participate to the development.

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Re: Seamonkey Icons

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rickman wrote on 02-06-17 16:51:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/2/2017 9:26 AM:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 02-06-17 00:31:

Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:22:45 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:58:56 -0700, /Mozillian/:

Explain to me how this is relevant to SeaMonkey and what the 
MEANING is

for its use in SeaMonkey.


"how this is relevant to SeaMonkey"

It has described couple of SeaMonkey internals.

"what the MEANING is for its use in SeaMonkey"

If you're tech-savvy enough you could use this internals knowledge to
better customize SeaMonkey to your specific needs, for example.


Note I've also given the following explanation:


You would see images like:

chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-closed.png
chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-new-closed.png

They indicate a message thread, and generally mean that – there are
multiple messages in a thread.  The one with the green arrow indicate
there are unread messages in the thread.


If you can't understand some or all of it – please state so. Then ask a
more specific question like "What a message thread is?", or "What's 
unread

message?", though I think all of it is pretty straightforward to
comprehend if you have basic email usage experience.

Is it SO IMPORTANT to know the meaning of icons ? Everybody don't 
care about

it.
And what is "how this is relevant to SeaMonkey" ?

The developers do their best to create self-explanatory icons.
If the OP want to know more, he can participate to the development ...


I'm not sure why you made your post.  The icons are not self 
explanatory and often too small to even see clearly.  Software without 
proper documentation is not of much use.  Telling someone who has 
questions to participate in development is silly.


The best way of using button, is that when the mouse fly over the 
button, It should be a pop-up explaining the meaning of the button.

That's what the OP should ask for an enhancement of SeaMonkey.
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Re: Seamonkey Icons

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MozUser wrote on 02-06-17 19:26:

OK.

When you see the [Delete All] button pop up just press it.
It does NOT matter what it means.
You twit.


Where did you see a [Delete All] button in SeaMonkey ?
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Re: Seamonkey Icons

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Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 02-06-17 00:31:

Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:22:45 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:58:56 -0700, /Mozillian/:

Explain to me how this is relevant to SeaMonkey and what the MEANING 
is for its use in SeaMonkey.


"how this is relevant to SeaMonkey"

It has described couple of SeaMonkey internals.

"what the MEANING is for its use in SeaMonkey"

If you're tech-savvy enough you could use this internals knowledge to 
better customize SeaMonkey to your specific needs, for example.


Note I've also given the following explanation:


You would see images like:

chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-closed.png
chrome://messenger/skin/icons/thread-new-closed.png

They indicate a message thread, and generally mean that – there are 
multiple messages in a thread.  The one with the green arrow indicate 
there are unread messages in the thread. 


If you can't understand some or all of it – please state so.  Then ask 
a more specific question like "What a message thread is?", or "What's 
unread message?", though I think all of it is pretty straightforward 
to comprehend if you have basic email usage experience.


Is it SO IMPORTANT to know the meaning of icons ? Everybody don't care 
about it.

And what is "how this is relevant to SeaMonkey" ?

The developers do their best to create self-explanatory icons.
If the OP want to know more, he can participate to the development ...
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

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Ray_Net wrote on 31-05-17 10:58:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 31-05-17 01:25:

Ray_Net wrote:


Larry S. wrote on 30-05-17 22:59:

Would like to try DuckDuckGo, but the Release Notes just say to go to
the Sidebar. O.K., did that but not clear how to try DDG. Yes, due to
the Bug there is no way to change the default browser. What do I do?
Larry S.

Type:  TEST in the url barand DDG opens in a SM tab.


Only if DDG is already your default search engine.

For more details, see my other post a moment ago in this thread.


So he need first to go:
- Preferences
- Browser
- Internet Search
- Default Search Engine

If it's not there, he can click on "Manage Search Engines"
then click on "Get more search engines..."
and choice DDG in the list.

Sorry, I had not noticed your full explanation :-)
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 31-05-17 01:25:

Ray_Net wrote:


Larry S. wrote on 30-05-17 22:59:

Would like to try DuckDuckGo, but the Release Notes just say to go to
the Sidebar. O.K., did that but not clear how to try DDG. Yes, due to
the Bug there is no way to change the default browser. What do I do?
Larry S.

Type:  TEST in the url barand DDG opens in a SM tab.


Only if DDG is already your default search engine.

For more details, see my other post a moment ago in this thread.


So he need first to go:
- Preferences
- Browser
- Internet Search
- Default Search Engine

If it's not there, he can click on "Manage Search Engines"
then click on "Get more search engines..."
and choice DDG in the list.
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Re: New user - with questions

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joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish the 
necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to set a 
newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn

Hello Joe,
Could you explain why my answer/question is wrong ?
I repeat the answer/question about your SMTP problem for a mail:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as 
for your SM newsgroup account...

... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

[Ray_Net]

Larry S. wrote on 30-05-17 22:59:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Greetings,

I am just relaying the following message for the SeaMonkey Council. It
is not on the web page but it is official. If you have any questions you
can either ask here or use the provided web address.

Have fun
FRG


+++ snip +++

Hello fellow users and supporters of the SeaMonkey suite.

The important part first: SeaMonkey is alive and we do not plan to
discontinue it. But in continuing to deliver the best and only suite
based on the Mozilla Gecko web engine, we need your help.

Lets first start where we are.

SeaMonkey 2.46 was released in late December after struggling for months
with infrastructure and build issues. While still using the Mozilla
infrastructure, we are mostly on our own here. We plan to release a
final 2.48 based on the level of Firefox 51 soon. Again this  is late
due to infrastructure and build issues, but not so much as 2.46. Being
based on Firefox 51 means that security patches are again not up to par
with current Firefox. Believe us, we dislike this as much as you do.
The SeaMonkey project is entirely driven by volunteers working on it in
their free time. The current members of the core team (count up to 7)
are committed but, with all the changes, are getting slowly overwhelmed.
This means bugs do not get fixed as fast as we would like. With an aging
infrastructure becoming more and more abandoned by Mozilla, due to
switching Firefox building to the cloud, releasing builds does not
become easier. It also means that if even one of the current key people
quits, the project is in danger of becoming un-maintainable which is
even worse.
Also keeping up with Firefox is becoming difficult at best. Mozilla
plans to discontinue classic extensions and themes with Firefox 57 which
is right around the corner. XUL, one of the key technologies of
SeaMonkey, is also on the chopping block and will be discontinued in the
near future. The replacement technologies, based on modern web
standards, are immature and still under constant development. In the
end, an almost complete rewrite of the current program will probably be
needed. If it weren't for our friends from the Thunderbird project, we
would now have even bigger problems.
The good news is that financially we are a little better off than last
year. DuckDuckGo is now the default search engine of SeaMonkey. Every
time you use it for searches in SeaMonkey we get paid. For the
conspiracy seeking people out there:) Not being able to easily set the
search engine in 2.46 to another provider was a genuine bug with a
workaround documented in the release notes from day 1. It has now been
fixed.

What we plan:

After releasing SeaMonkey 2.48 we will switch to the Firefox 52 ESR
source code for 2.49.x releases. This means that the code base is more
or less frozen for a few release cycles and only security updates and
bug fixes will be in the releases.

The infrastructure issue has been discussed. While critical, there are
no final plans yet (also thanks to lack of manpower). Thunderbird is in
the same boat and we hope to work out something together. If worst comes
to worst, we could ask our team member Adrian Kalla to produce our
regular builds. This had been discussed earlier. It was dismissed, for
now, as no crash symbols for builds would be available on the Mozilla
servers.

Switching to ESR means we can work on bugs in the current tree for a
while longer without having to fear that they are carried over into a
release. They need to be fixed for the next ESR of course.

The most critical issue is to support web extensions in one of the next
releases. It is unclear how long we will be able to support classic
extensions.

There are a number of Gecko Forks in the wild. We do not plan to switch
over to one of them as the basis for SeaMonkey. We think that they
currently do not have enough developers themselves to cope with the
changes Mozilla plans. Web technologies are also evolving all the time
and we fear that they are not able to keep up.

Also, we are not planning to support any abandoned stuff like classic
extensions and NPAPI plugins on our own. We will try as long as
possible. But when they are gone, they are gone. The current developer
base is much too small to do our own fork.

Based on how successful Mozilla is, or if one of the forks gain ground,
this might change in the future.

What we need:

Setting up our own infrastructure, potentially in conjunction with
Thunderbird, will cost. If you feel you can contribute towards future
releases in this way, please consider donating:
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/donate/

But what we need even more is people to help out. Even if you are not a
developer, you can help. For example, writing a document such as this
takes time. Also, maintaining a website is not done by staring at it all
day.

So if you want to help, these project areas are looking for a few good
contributors:

- Development. Most code is either JavaScript or XML/CSS 

Re: New user - with questions - JT

[Ray_Net]

jtay...@ec.rr.com wrote on 30-05-17 00:06:

Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5,
and have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but
I have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email
client that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that
there is a solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able
to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as 
the

SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish
the necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to
set a newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.

Trying to set up this group on a new computer.   JimT
I have replied to Joe Gwinn .. Who say that he can sent a mail to the 
newsgroup and not  a real mail to his friends ... (for me this is 
impossible ... except if he don't use the same smtp server for the 
outgoing messages(post or mail))
What are you talking about setup a group ? (I never setup a group, I 
setup a newsgroup account pointing to a newsgroup server).

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish the 
necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to set a 
newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn
If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as 
for your SM newsgroup account...

... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the 
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...


If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 28-05-17 00:40:

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.


What is your ISP? Comcast?

What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?

smtp.comcast.net  -- Seamonkey does appear to be communing with this server, 
but never complains or completes.

The port is 587.  This is known to work from other newsreaders running on the 
present computer.


You NEVER told us what is your SMTP server  therefore, We cannot 
help you.


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Re: WiFi Internet Connection and seaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

DoctorBill wrote on 18-05-17 16:34:

Dirk Munk wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I don't know if this News group is where to get help with a problems I
have.
I bought a used laptop with WiFi using Windows Vista.
I have a wireless Internet Dish outside which connects to my computer
via a cable.
I bought and set up a NetGear 600 Router in my house - connected to 
the

ISP Cable.
It is working.  This Desktop is connected to the Router right now 
via a

cable.
When I try to set up a WiFi connection on the Laptop, VISTA says I am
connected with a strong signal.

However, when I start up SeaMonkey, it won't connect to the Internet.
I had set up and used SM - with the cable connected directly to the
Laptop - and got
onto the Internet.  Now via the WiFi, I cannot connect.

Am I doing something wrong here ?How do I get the WiFi signal the
Laptop is getting
to interface with SeaMonkey and then the ISP ?

I have NEVER used WiFi and don't know squat about it. Especially the
Jargon.  Dinosaur.

DoctorBill



ISSUE RESOLVED !

I went to Hewlett Packard and got onto a FORUM there.
Got into a sub-forum and asked the question about the WiFi not
connecting with the Internet.

Finally someone answered and posted a link to Atheros Drivers (don't
know where he got it from).
Here is the Forum and my Thread:
https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/HpG60-200-VISTA-Cannot-connect-WiFi-to-Internet/m-p/6128229#M135222 




On the first reply I was given this link to drivers:
http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp54501-55000/sp54972.exe

I downloaded that driver (sp54972.exe) and ran it and then went into
the Atheros Adapter "Properties" and UPDATED the driver - and directed
it to "search the computer".

THAT did it !  Now the Atheros Adapter works.
Apparently -before - it found the Router and recognized it w/o it's
name (?).
Once the right driver was installed it found the router AND it's name
and THAT allowed it to
access the internet.  God Help me if I know what I am talking about !

I had googled this problem quite a lot and there are MANY people
having this problem - MANY !   No answers had worked - I tried a lot
of them !
Lucky that this fellow (Paul Tikkanen) knew of what he spoke !

I wish I could disperse this information to all those who are STILL
fighting their WiFi Adapter.  I don't know how !  Besides - It just
works for Atheros Adapters.

DoctorBill




Yes, Atheros adapters can be a bit of a pain if you want to find new
drivers. However there are a few web sites specialized on offering
Atheros drivers.

You do realize that Windows Vista is en-of-life since about one month?
No updates of any kind from Microsoft, including security patches. You
might consider updating to Windows 10.


I bought a Complete Windows 7 disk from e-bay for $30.

I am considering wiping the Laptop's HD clean (Format) and installing 
Windows 7.
Disk comes with the License Key Code.  Kind of scared to do it, 
though


DoctorBill

Save your new wifi drivers in a safe place ..before... :-)
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Re: WiFi Internet Connection and seaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

DoctorBill wrote on 17-05-17 21:10:

DoctorBill wrote:

I don't know if this News group is where to get help with a problems I
have.
I bought a used laptop with WiFi using Windows Vista.
I have a wireless Internet Dish outside which connects to my computer
via a cable.
I bought and set up a NetGear 600 Router in my house - connected to the
ISP Cable.
It is working.  This Desktop is connected to the Router right now via a
cable.
When I try to set up a WiFi connection on the Laptop, VISTA says I am
connected with a strong signal.

However, when I start up SeaMonkey, it won't connect to the Internet.
I had set up and used SM - with the cable connected directly to the
Laptop - and got
onto the Internet.  Now via the WiFi, I cannot connect.

Am I doing something wrong here ?How do I get the WiFi signal the
Laptop is getting
to interface with SeaMonkey and then the ISP ?

I have NEVER used WiFi and don't know squat about it. Especially the
Jargon.  Dinosaur.

DoctorBill



New Development -
I have two Desktops (mine & Wife's in different parts of house - 50' 
away).

Bought a Roswell N300 Wireless USB Adapter ($28) for my wife's Desktop.
Installed it and on SeaMonkey startup - connected immediately on the 
Router WiFi !
Did NOT have to enter ANY information at all - just connected right 
away !

Set up Google as home page and then Fox News on the bookmarks Toolbar.
i.e. - the Router is working - Roswell WiFi connected to the Router - 
no worries !
Note - it DID NOT ask me for a password !  Should have !   ? ? ? ? ? ? 
!!!

Does this mean any old person within range can use it ?

NOW - can I get ANY information from the Roswell Adapter to put into 
my *$%@ Laptop's
Atheros AR5007 802.1 1b/g wireless adapter ?  -- BTW - which SHOULD 
also be working !


DoctorBill


If your wireless network is not protected by a password any connection 
outside your building can do nasty things ... and you can be prosecuted.

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Re: WiFi Internet Connection and seaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

DoctorBill wrote on 17-05-17 05:08:

DoctorBill wrote:

I don't know if this News group is where to get help with a problems I
have.
I bought a used laptop with WiFi using Windows Vista.
I have a wireless Internet Dish outside which connects to my computer
via a cable.
I bought and set up a NetGear 600 Router in my house - connected to the
ISP Cable.
It is working.  This Desktop is connected to the Router right now via a
cable.
When I try to set up a WiFi connection on the Laptop, VISTA says I am
connected with a strong signal.

However, when I start up SeaMonkey, it won't connect to the Internet.
I had set up and used SM - with the cable connected directly to the
Laptop - and got
onto the Internet.  Now via the WiFi, I cannot connect.

Am I doing something wrong here ?How do I get the WiFi signal the
Laptop is getting
to interface with SeaMonkey and then the ISP ?

I have NEVER used WiFi and don't know squat about it. Especially the
Jargon.  Dinosaur.

DoctorBill



My router (NetGear 600) setup "Wizard" asks if I need a password to 
get on my ISP.

I chose "No" - however my E-Mail does need a password.

What is this Internet IP Address thing ?   How would I get it ?
NetGear's wizard has - "use Static Address (number given) or Dynamic. 
Chose dynamic. ???


Anyway...I went back to the NetGear wizard and had it set up what is 
needed and tested it.
It says I have an internet connectionobviously - I am using it now 
on my Desktop WIRED to

the router.

Now to go back and try the Hp G60 Laptop's WiFi

DoctorBill




Wifi, ISP and mail account are 3 different things.
My pc is connected to my wifi network with a strong password.
This wifi-material is a modem-routeur which is connected thru the 
telephone line to my ISP with and ID and a Password.

When all is ok, I can access my mailbox with an ID and a Password.
The 3 passwords are differents.
If your pc is connected strongly with the modeme thru wifi, it could be 
without password (This depends of your wifi options in your modem-router)
If that is ok, and You cannot use SM to access Google, par exemple, this 
is because your modem "is not connected to the internet" the causes can 
be that you have not specified the ID/PW for the connection to your ISP.
Another possibility could be that the internet-access at your isp is 
down at your isp server.

So the best way of solving your problem should be a phone call to your isp.
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Re: How to remove a newsgroup account ?

[Ray_Net]

G. Ross wrote on 27-04-17 00:14:

Ray_Net wrote:

When surfing with my SM browser I had clicked on a link . AND the
result is that SM had created a new newsgroup account in the mail/news
part of SM.

I did not want to play with this group - and selecting it then pushing
on the delete key did not delete this "%£*@#" account .GR
How can I definitevely remove this ?

I just go to the mail & newsgroups screen, right click on the account 
and select Unsubscribe.


Hu hummm :-) the created account did not contains any group - I just 
want to get rid of the account, not of a group of this account.

Anyway going to "Edit" - "Mails and Newsgroups Account Settings..."
then Highlighting the Newsgroup-Account then clicking on the "Remove 
Account" button located just below had done the job.

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Re: How to remove a newsgroup account ?

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 26-04-17 22:43:

On 4/26/17 11:38 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


I'm curious.

How does clicking a link in the browser create a new newsgroup
account?

What newsgroup?

It added the server name, port, security settings, username and
password?

Did you mean Blogs and News Feed account?


Usetabe (I haven't tried it lately) that clicking a link of the form 
 would have that effect.




I guess that is what Ray did. ❓



Sure, but certainly that the string shown was different that the value 
of the link.

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Re: How to remove a newsgroup account ?

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WaltS48 wrote on 26-04-17 17:35:

On 4/26/17 10:33 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 26/04/2017 11:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Richmond wrote on 26-04-17 09:45:

Ray_Net wrote:

When surfing with my SM browser I had clicked on a link . AND the
result is that SM had created a new newsgroup account in the 
mail/news

part of SM.

I did not want to play with this group - and selecting it then 
pushing

on the delete key did not delete this "%£*@#" account .GR
How can I definitevely remove this ?

Go to Edit -> mail and newsgroup account settings, select the 
newsgroup

account, and press "remove account".

Ask me an easier one. :)



Thank you  but an easier way is with Thunderbird:

In the list of accounts on the left in the account settings, hilite the
account and click on "Account Actions" at the bottom and then select
"Remove Account".

3 CLICKS instead of 4 :-)


Sorry!!  How many clicks does it take in T/B for you to see the 
"list of accounts", Ray??



Not Ray :)

That is two, the same amount it takes in SeaMonkey.

One to select an Account in the Folder Pane, one to click "View 
settings for this account".


The user can also use Edit > Account Settings from the Menu Bar in 
Thunderbird, or Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account Setting in SeaMonkey.


ok, ok - but it would be simple if when the account is selected that the 
"delete-key" will do the job, after asking if this is what we want.

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Re: How to remove a newsgroup account ?

[Ray_Net]

Richmond wrote on 26-04-17 09:45:

Ray_Net wrote:

When surfing with my SM browser I had clicked on a link . AND the
result is that SM had created a new newsgroup account in the mail/news
part of SM.

I did not want to play with this group - and selecting it then pushing
on the delete key did not delete this "%£*@#" account .GR
How can I definitevely remove this ?


Go to Edit -> mail and newsgroup account settings, select the newsgroup
account, and press "remove account".

Ask me an easier one. :)



Thank you  but an easier way is with Thunderbird:

In the list of accounts on the left in the account settings, hilite the
account and click on "Account Actions" at the bottom and then select
"Remove Account".

3 CLICKS instead of 4 :-)
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How to remove a newsgroup account ?

[Ray_Net]

When surfing with my SM browser I had clicked on a link . AND the 
result is that SM had created a new newsgroup account in the mail/news 
part of SM.


I did not want to play with this group - and selecting it then pushing 
on the delete key did not delete this "%£*@#" account .GR

How can I definitevely remove this ?
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Re: Strange 403 Forbidden error

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 25-04-17 01:48:

On 4/24/17 7:06 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:

I was trying to reach the following website:

http://www.scanmaker.com


sorry, typo!

This must be:

http://www.scanmarker.com


and I got a 403 Forbidden error.

Chrome shows no problem and I can view the website, very strange.



I got the 403 Forbidden message for that link, using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 
Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46.


Works in Firefox.

No idea why.

The site work OK for me:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46


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Re: The new Google Earth only runs on Chrome, why?

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 24-04-17 04:30:

NoOp wrote:


On 4/22/2017 1:05 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:


I wanted to use Google Earth yesterday, and I was surprised with
the announcement that there was a new Google Earth for use in a
browser. The announcement contained a link to
https://earth.google.com/web/ , but when I opened it with
SeaMonkey I got this message "Aw snap! The new Google Earth isn't
supported by your browser yet.", and a message to try it in
Chrome.

Why doesn't the new Google Earth run in SeaMonkey / Firefox
etc.?


Arrogance? Stupidity? Your guess is as good as mine.


Really?

- Perhaps because it's _their_ web application & they offer it for
free using _their_ interface (Chrome browser)?


I don't need to read anything beyond "web application" to think it 
should run on all browsers. End of story.


If they want to distribute it as software to run locally, then fine, 
they can do as they please. But web pages should be W3C compliant.



"web pages should be W3C compliant" = This is only a wishful thinking

Most webmaster don't care about W3C - and some of them did not know the 
existence of W3C.


Your battle is lost in advance. (same battle for accepting SeaMonkey 
when sniffing :-) )


BUT reading this page :

 



We can read:

Major downside, apart from the features that it does not support, is 
that it is Chrome exclusive currently. This, like many other things, 
will probably change in the future.


So, just wait for the future ...
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Re: The new Google Earth only runs on Chrome, why?

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WaltS48 wrote on 22-04-17 14:43:

On 4/22/17 4:01 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:
I wanted to use Google Earth yesterday, and I was surprised with the 
announcement that there was a new Google Earth for use in a browser. 
The announcement contained a link to https://earth.google.com/web/ , 
but when I opened it with SeaMonkey I got this message "Aw snap! The 
new Google Earth isn't supported by your browser yet.", and a message 
to try it in Chrome.


Why doesn't the new Google Earth run in SeaMonkey / Firefox etc.?



Breaking News!

 






Where we can read:

Major downside, apart from the features that it does not support, is 
that it is Chrome exclusive currently. This, like many other things, 
will probably change in the future.


So, just wait for the future ...
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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

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Daniel wrote on 20-04-17 11:38:

On 20/04/2017 2:26 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Richmond wrote on 19-04-17 10:58:

Ray_Net wrote:

Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user 
prefbar or

another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG

That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW

I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.

Thank you

Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !


I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.



Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 

Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people
change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.
If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.

AND

Due to the fact that:
1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but
NEVER for SeaMonkey
2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for
Firefox.
SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.


Hey, Ray, if you are in favour of SeaMonkey giving up the battle with 
self-identification, I'm guessing you also agree with the Basque 
peoples giving up their battle for self-identification!!


What about the French-speaking, mostly Walloon population, of the 
Kingdom of Belgium?? Should they just join the Dutch-speaking, mostly 
Flemish community, which constitutes about 59% of the population of 
Belgium?? Or should they fight, fight, fight to become part of the 
French Nation?? Or become a totally independent nation like the Basque 
peoples fought for so long for??


Same Same SeaMonkey!!


The language problems are different.
If I follow your idea, I should change the UA string from:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

to:
User agent: SeaMonkey/2.46

That IS a REAL self-identification.

Test it, and you will be surprised :-)

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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

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David E. Ross wrote on 20-04-17 07:27:

On 4/19/2017 8:55 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Is not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" not working for you?


In any case, merely having Gecko will not suffice.  I just encountered a
Web site that works completely only with Chrome.



what site?

Smith


Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I wonder
if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.

So they say: We test our site, only, with Google-Chrome - If you don't 
use Google-Chrome - GO AWAY ! :-)

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

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Richmond wrote on 19-04-17 20:14:

Ray_Net wrote:

I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.



Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 

Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people
change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.
If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.

AND

Due to the fact that:
1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but
NEVER for SeaMonkey
2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for
Firefox.
SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.


I am not saying you shouldn't change it if you want to. I have prefs bar
and I change it myself sometimes. I can't remember why.

I am just saying that the point of the User Agent String is to identify
the user agent. So the default setting should be Seamonkey, because
that's what it is. If the web authors can't be bothered to check it
properly it is their fault, not the fault of the browser.

Yes this their fault - a great number of webmasters are doing the same 
fault.
It is faster and easier to change the default UA string to FireFox than 
convincing ALL webmasters to change their coding.
But most of the time, they don't want to change their coding and more 
... they don't know what "Gecko" is, because they sniff for a Browser, 
"Gecko"  IS NOT a browser.
Additionally, if the default UA is FireFox, we don't need anymore extra 
plugins or fiddling.


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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

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Richmond wrote on 19-04-17 10:58:

Ray_Net wrote:

Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG

That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW

I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.

Thank you

Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !


I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.



Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 

Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people 
change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.

If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.

AND

Due to the fact that:
1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but 
NEVER for SeaMonkey
2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for 
Firefox.

SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.
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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

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Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG


That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW


I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did 
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.


Thank you
Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER 
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !

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Re: Duplicate Mail Account (?)

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Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-04-17 18:10:

DoctorBill wrote:


THANKS EVERYONE !

GOT IT.


Got what? It is unclear what you finally got.


I think that he rename his special account "Local Folders".

DoctorBill  is that true ?
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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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Mason83 wrote on 09-04-17 21:00:

On 09/04/2017 20:03, Ray_Net wrote:

Daniel wrote on 09-04-17 11:07:

On 9/04/2017 6:53 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 09/04/2017 02:53, TCW wrote:

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 17:03:18 -0400, "Paul B. Gallagher"
<pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com> wrote:


TCW wrote:


Hmm, so how the heck is it that this particular video acts wonky but
a whole slew of others I watched on CNN had zero issue on the exact
same hardware? This is weird and doesn't make sense.

How about you clear cache and cookies and reload? Something might've
gotten corrupted in your current copy of one or the other.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.

How come your SM quoted the signature?
Mine drops it, as expected.

It would appear that TCW's ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 does not respect
the usual sig delimiter convention.


Not sure about that, because on this page:
http://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MuPa1YjE/how-to-avoid-agent-eating-lines-after-in-reply
it's written:

I'm using Agent version 3.3/32.846
In my system the last line is removed, everything after -- is removed.

The signature delimiter is DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE.
Agent seems to consider DASH DASH NEWLINE as a signature delimiter,
which is incorrect.

Regards.
Paul B. Gallagher had TWO signatures precedeed each one by a correct sig 
delimiter.
Forte Agent of TCW considered that it should only destroy the second 
which is correct in my mind.

SM drop the two. This could be abnormal.
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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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Daniel wrote on 09-04-17 11:07:

On 9/04/2017 6:53 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 09/04/2017 02:53, TCW wrote:

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 17:03:18 -0400, "Paul B. Gallagher"
 wrote:


TCW wrote:


Hmm, so how the heck is it that this particular video acts wonky but
a whole slew of others I watched on CNN had zero issue on the exact
same hardware? This is weird and doesn't make sense.


How about you clear cache and cookies and reload? Something might've
gotten corrupted in your current copy of one or the other.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.


How come your SM quoted the signature?
Mine drops it, as expected.


It would appear that TCW's ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 does not respect 
the usual sig delimiter convention.



Not sure about that, because on this page:
http://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MuPa1YjE/how-to-avoid-agent-eating-lines-after-in-reply
it's written:

I'm using Agent version 3.3/32.846
In my system the last line is removed, everything after -- is removed.
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Re: How do I backup my SeaMonkey now ?

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DoctorBill wrote on 07-04-17 07:38:
I thought I saw a "Backup SeaMonkey" option when I was looking thru 
the menu bar,

but I cannot now find that.

How do I backup this SM 2.46 before something goes TU ?  To Thumb Drive ?
How big is the complete backup (file) if I do that ?

DoctorBill
Just copy the profile when SM is not running nor in the taskmanager  
upon another drive(external or internal)/directory or on an usb stick.

And you will see how big is the copy.
I do that - no so often    and
This is what I do when I upgrade SM:
Copy: SeaMonkey directory from C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\ 
into: C:\ALLDATA\Backup-SM-profile\2.40\

2.66 GB for the "Seamonkey" directory
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Re: [NOT SOLVED AND NO WORKAROUND] Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Bob Fleischer wrote on 04-04-17 21:18:

Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 03-04-17 18:59:

On 4/3/2017 9:00 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 08:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 01-04-17 21:18:

SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of 
mails on

the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the
right-upper par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW
number 2) is opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my
reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me 
face of

the "WINDOW number 1".

How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my
reply if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in 
front" )


I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.

This is definitvely an SM problem/bug:
I have decided to HIDE the "status bar" everywhere in SM except for
the browser part.
and the problem did not occur yet.
We will see in the next few days.

I just go the problem, so my workaround doesnot work, and I can
re-instate de status bar visibility :-(


All this indicates another reason not to install Windows 10.


Yes, but this is a new pc with windows10 pre-installed 
I have had the same problem--which I would describe as focus going 
spontaneously to whatever was my first SeaMonkey window open, if it is 
not minimized--as I type in some other SeaMonkey window.


This first occurred about the time I got the "anniversary update" of 
Windows 10 (last August).


No other app shows the behavior.

Bob
This is exactly my case, except that I think that the pre-installed 
window10 was already up-to-date including the "anniversary update".

And also ONLY SEAMONKEY give the problem.
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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 18:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 17:59:

NFN Smith wrote on 03-04-17 17:03:

Richard Alan wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


Or perhaps windows10 is playing with my feet :-)


I would believe that!!

You might try plugging in a wired mouse and then covering the touchpad
with a piece of cardboard, something stiff enough - tape it down. I do
this. Yes, I could disable the pad but the next time I use the 
laptop it

might be on the road without the extra mouse.



In Windows, you can generally change the sensitivity of a touchpad, 
in the device properties.  The hard part is often finding the 
necessary dialog, and you may have to go poking in the Windows 
Device Manager to find what you're looking for.


If your touchpad has an icon visible in the System Tray, then you 
can get to the dialogs that way. Although having access to the 
touchpad via the Tray is normally a waste, the one time it's useful 
is if you need to tune the sensitivity settings.


If you really can't find any config settings for the touchpad, 
there's at least a couple of third-party utilities out there that 
you can use. One is called Touchpad Blocker, another is TouchPad Pal.


HTH,

Smith

I don't know what we can do on a touchpad to switch the focus between 
2 windows in full screen 
Anyway, I found where I can disable the touchpad ... I will see if the 
problem disappear.

Even while with touchpad disabled, the problem re-occurred.
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Re: Seamonkey LibreOffice WIndows XP

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Dirk Munk wrote on 04-04-17 13:47:

Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is there a way to get LibreOffice to recognize Seamonkey as a working 
email in WIndows XP?


It is a LibreOffice problem, I checked on my PC (Windows 10), and 
SeaMonkey is properly defined as the default mail client, and yet 
LibreOffice can't find it.


There is a registry entry for the default mail client, and LibreOffice 
has to use that entry to find SeaMonkey. Apparently that isn't working.
OK, I found this 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/74757/how-do-i-link-an-email-program-to-libre-office-in-windows-10/

where I can read:

Just checked - it can still find Thunderbird, but it doesn't bring the 
message window to the foreground. Weird.


That could be the situation.

Because I have a problem with seamonkey and windows10 - suddently when 
doing a reply with SM - the focus goes to the mail part quitting the 
reply part - And I type in the air :-(

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Re: [NOT SOLVED AND NO WORKAROUND] Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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David E. Ross wrote on 03-04-17 18:59:

On 4/3/2017 9:00 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 08:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 01-04-17 21:18:

SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the
right-upper par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW
number 2) is opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my
reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of
the "WINDOW number 1".

How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my
reply if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )

I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.

This is definitvely an SM problem/bug:
I have decided to HIDE the "status bar" everywhere in SM except for
the browser part.
and the problem did not occur yet.
We will see in the next few days.

I just go the problem, so my workaround doesnot work, and I can
re-instate de status bar visibility :-(


All this indicates another reason not to install Windows 10.


Yes, but this is a new pc with windows10 pre-installed 
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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 17:59:

NFN Smith wrote on 03-04-17 17:03:

Richard Alan wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


Or perhaps windows10 is playing with my feet :-)


I would believe that!!

You might try plugging in a wired mouse and then covering the touchpad
with a piece of cardboard, something stiff enough - tape it down. I do
this. Yes, I could disable the pad but the next time I use the 
laptop it

might be on the road without the extra mouse.



In Windows, you can generally change the sensitivity of a touchpad, 
in the device properties.  The hard part is often finding the 
necessary dialog, and you may have to go poking in the Windows Device 
Manager to find what you're looking for.


If your touchpad has an icon visible in the System Tray, then you can 
get to the dialogs that way. Although having access to the touchpad 
via the Tray is normally a waste, the one time it's useful is if you 
need to tune the sensitivity settings.


If you really can't find any config settings for the touchpad, 
there's at least a couple of third-party utilities out there that you 
can use. One is called Touchpad Blocker, another is TouchPad Pal.


HTH,

Smith

I don't know what we can do on a touchpad to switch the focus between 
2 windows in full screen 
Anyway, I found where I can disable the touchpad ... I will see if the 
problem disappear.

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[NOT SOLVED AND NO WORKAROUND] Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Ray_Net wrote on 03-04-17 08:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 01-04-17 21:18:
SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local 
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on 
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the 
right-upper par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW 
number 2) is opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my 
reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of 
the "WINDOW number 1".


How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my 
reply if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )


I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.

This is definitvely an SM problem/bug:
I have decided to HIDE the "status bar" everywhere in SM except for 
the browser part.

and the problem did not occur yet.
We will see in the next few days.
I just go the problem, so my workaround doesnot work, and I can 
re-instate de status bar visibility :-(

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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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NFN Smith wrote on 03-04-17 17:03:

Richard Alan wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


Or perhaps windows10 is playing with my feet :-)


I would believe that!!

You might try plugging in a wired mouse and then covering the touchpad
with a piece of cardboard, something stiff enough - tape it down. I do
this. Yes, I could disable the pad but the next time I use the laptop it
might be on the road without the extra mouse.



In Windows, you can generally change the sensitivity of a touchpad, in 
the device properties.  The hard part is often finding the necessary 
dialog, and you may have to go poking in the Windows Device Manager to 
find what you're looking for.


If your touchpad has an icon visible in the System Tray, then you can 
get to the dialogs that way. Although having access to the touchpad 
via the Tray is normally a waste, the one time it's useful is if you 
need to tune the sensitivity settings.


If you really can't find any config settings for the touchpad, there's 
at least a couple of third-party utilities out there that you can use. 
One is called Touchpad Blocker, another is TouchPad Pal.


HTH,

Smith

I don't know what we can do on a touchpad to switch the focus between 2 
windows in full screen 

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[NOT SOLVED BUT FOUND A WORKAROUND] Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Ray_Net wrote on 01-04-17 21:18:
SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local 
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on 
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the 
right-upper par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW 
number 2) is opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my 
reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of 
the "WINDOW number 1".


How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my 
reply if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )


I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.

This is definitvely an SM problem/bug:
I have decided to HIDE the "status bar" everywhere in SM except for the 
browser part.

and the problem did not occur yet.
We will see in the next few days.
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Re: Off Topic Question

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DoctorBill wrote on 02-04-17 19:30:
I am now using Windows 7 Professional on a used Hp Compaq 6200 office 
computer.  I am new to Win 7.


When I am in SeaMonkey and press 'Win Key - D' I can go back to the 
Desktop (common to all windows versions).  I can have several 
different programs running simultaneously.


I have a LAYERED SeaMonkey Icon on the Lower Left and have to choose 
which layer (SM TAB) to go to instead of just returning to SM. PITA.


If I click a different Icon (lower Left), I get the different program.

NOW - questionis there a QUICK method to switch between running 
programs in Win 7 ?   A 'Hot Key" perhaps or some simple way w/o 
pressing several keys and doing unnatural acts ?
I tried Googling this, but seems I don't know the right Jargon to even 
ask the question


DoctorBill

PS - Windows USED to have a web site to ask questions for any version, 
but that Web Site went defunct"Annoying Windows Questions" - 
something like that.

Is there any newer web site of that nature around now ?

ALT-TAB doesnot work ?
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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Daniel wrote on 02-04-17 16:43:

On 2/04/2017 2:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Daniel wrote on 02-04-17 04:12:

On 2/04/2017 5:18 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the 
right-upper

par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW number 2) is
opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of
the "WINDOW number 1".

How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my 
reply

if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )

I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.


Ray, I recall this happening to me some times ago ... maybe SM
2.20something, SM 2.30something, maybe,  but, sadly, I cannot
recall exactly what the solution was, although, as I type this, I'm
starting to think it might have been a non-compatible add-on or
extension (Java, maybe!!).

Perhaps a re-start in safe mode might help, but that could mean
working without your add-ons or extensions for sometime!!


It could be a good idea, but I avoid starting in safe mode because the
last time (the only one) I have done this test .. SM changed some
options definitively and I don't know all the modifications were done.


O.K., then go into your Tools->Add-ons Manager and disable some of the 
Extension/Plug-ins. If the operation of SM doesn't change, re-enable 
those Extensions/Plug-ins and disable some others.


Keep doing this until you have given SM a good work out with all of 
the Extensions/Plug-ins disabled. Hopefully you might find which 
Extension/Plug-in is causing the problem.


All Extensions/Plug-ins in my windows10 pc are the same as with my 
window7 pc.

The problem occur only with my Windows10 pc.
I think that Windows10 take the process for per example examinating my 
Facebook account to see if there is something new...
and also look at other parts of my pc. When finished, windows give the 
focus to SM  SM put in foreground the window-number-1 instead of 
window-number-2 which had the foreground/focus before.

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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 02-04-17 06:14:

David E. Ross wrote:


Sometimes when I have two very similar windows open -- one almost
but not completely covering the other -- I accidentally place my
cursor over the edge of the "behind" window while trying to operate
on the "in front" window.  This causes a switch in focus.  At my age
(75), this is happening more and more often.


That's why it's a good idea, when you're working mostly with the 
keyboard, to park the cursor in some safe location away from the 
application tiles on the taskbar. I used to have the same problem 
until I developed that habit.


In my case the two windows are maximised. When I do a reply the mouse is 
located inside the reply text.

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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Daniel wrote on 02-04-17 04:12:

On 2/04/2017 5:18 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the right-upper
par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW number 2) is
opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of
the "WINDOW number 1".

How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my reply
if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )

I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.


Ray, I recall this happening to me some times ago ... maybe SM 
2.20something, SM 2.30something, maybe,  but, sadly, I cannot 
recall exactly what the solution was, although, as I type this, I'm 
starting to think it might have been a non-compatible add-on or 
extension (Java, maybe!!).


Perhaps a re-start in safe mode might help, but that could mean 
working without your add-ons or extensions for sometime!!


It could be a good idea, but I avoid starting in safe mode because the 
last time (the only one) I have done this test .. SM changed some 
options definitively and I don't know all the modifications were done.

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Re: Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

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Richard Alan wrote on 01-04-17 21:41:

Ray_Net wrote:


...
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of
the "WINDOW number 1".

How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my reply
if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )

There are certain key combinations that will change windows. I don't
remember what they are for MS Windows, but could you be pressing such a
keyset? Control+something ?

Are you using a laptop with a sensitive touchpad?

I did not suspect a key combination ... yes I have a sensitive touchpad.
I just played with my sensitive touchpad and I canneot reproduce the 
problem.

It looks like that SM (Window number 1) is taking suddently the foreground.
Or perhaps windows10 is playing with my feet :-)
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Strange lost of focus (foreground/background)

[Ray_Net]

SM Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

above Windows 10 pro ...
I have SM opened (WINDOW number 1) with all my mail-accounts, local 
folders and newsgroup on the left of the screen an a list of mails on 
the right with under a preview of a selected mail.
If I initiate a "reply" of one of those mails located in the right-upper 
par of the SM window, another separate window (WINDOW number 2) is 
opened with the mail quoted - then I begin to type my reply texte.
And suddently this window switch in the background letting me face of 
the "WINDOW number 1".


How can I avoid this ? ... (expecting be able to continue type my reply 
if the "reply-window" (WINDOW number 2) visible and "in front" )


I hope than my explanation is clear and understandable.
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Re: Seamonkey LibreOffice WIndows XP

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Rob Steinmetz wrote on 31-03-17 18:07:

Ray_Net wrote:




Some ideas for a workaround:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/841184
It's written:
The quick workaround to open in libreoffice Tools -> Options -> Internet
-> E-Mail and to inpute there 'thunderbird' (without quotes)

Perhaps you can put 'seamonkey' instead of 'thunderbird'


Unfortunately that option does not exist in Windows.

Correct ! (sorry)
I just found in 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/9808/how-do-i-install-an-email-program-to-associate-with-libreoffice/

The answer for windows is:

Under windows , according to the getting "Started with LibreOffice" 
manual, the operating system's default e-mail program is always used. 
This is set in Windows XP under CONTROL PANEL > INTERNET SETTINGS > 
PROGRAMS

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Re: Seamonkey LibreOffice WIndows XP

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Rob Steinmetz wrote on 30-03-17 19:27:

NFN Smith wrote:

Rob Steinmetz wrote:

Is there a way to get LibreOffice to recognize Seamonkey as a working
email in WIndows XP?


Do you have Windows set to use Seamonkey as your default email client?
For most Windows applications, a request for "mail" should use whatever
is defined as the Windows default. I don't know of any reason that Libre
would use anything other than the default.


I don't know either but it doesn't recognize SeaMonkey even though it 
is set as default and other programs like Adobe Reader do recognize it.



If you have more than one mail client that you use, and something else
is the default, I don't know if there's a way of convincing Libre to use
Seamonkey. However, that would be something to pose to Libre's user
community rather than the Seamonkey support group.


I've posed it in both places. It seems a Libre problem that has come 
up more than once with different email programs but the only solution 
seems to be to set the defaults, which I did. I thought someone here 
might have encountered the problem and solved it as I've pretty sure 
there are more SeaMonkey users that use LibreOffice than LibreOffice 
users that use SeaMonkey.



If you use *only* Seamonkey for mail, then a way of forcing it as the
default would be to uninstall any other mail clients, and where
Seamonkey is the only one installed.


That actually doesn't work either the error message is that 
LibreOffice can't find any working email configuration.



Some ideas for a workaround:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/841184
It's written:
The quick workaround to open in libreoffice Tools -> Options -> Internet 
-> E-Mail and to inpute there 'thunderbird' (without quotes)


Perhaps you can put 'seamonkey' instead of 'thunderbird'
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 22-03-17 13:05:

Ray_Net wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote on 21-03-17 23:05:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:54:54 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


I did not understand why Yahoo force the IMAP interface killing the POP
interface.
With the pop, I can have on my pop account a great amount of old mails.
With the imap, I think that after a certain time Yahoo will tell me that I
have reached the limit of my Yahoo mailbox forcing me to destroy some mails..

With IMAP you could always filter and move to local folders.


I have 100 filters for 100 folders using POP3. The only way I can see to convert
all of this to IMAP is to create an IMAP account and then manually create the
100 filters and manually create the 100 folders and then manually copy/move the
email from the POP3 account to IMAP account.

How many weeks/months would it take me to do that?

I think that there is NO NEED to switch to IMAP: As njoracle said:

Apparently it is only Yahoo Mail POP import that is being discontinued. The rest
of the POP functions like sending and receiving email into your current POP
account on Seamonkey should continue.



I just received an email from ATT Yahoo who is my ISP. They said POP3 was not
being discontinued on 3/31 but did encourage me to change to IMAP.


Anyway, I prefer POP3 mode ...
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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Arnie Goetchius wrote on 21-03-17 23:05:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:54:54 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


I did not understand why Yahoo force the IMAP interface killing the POP
interface.
With the pop, I can have on my pop account a great amount of old mails.
With the imap, I think that after a certain time Yahoo will tell me that I
have reached the limit of my Yahoo mailbox forcing me to destroy some mails..

With IMAP you could always filter and move to local folders.


I have 100 filters for 100 folders using POP3. The only way I can see to convert
all of this to IMAP is to create an IMAP account and then manually create the
100 filters and manually create the 100 folders and then manually copy/move the
email from the POP3 account to IMAP account.

How many weeks/months would it take me to do that?

I think that there is NO NEED to switch to IMAP: As njoracle said:

Apparently it is only Yahoo Mail POP import that is being discontinued. The rest
of the POP functions like sending and receiving email into your current POP
account on Seamonkey should continue.


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