Feedback (Suggestions for improvement): Search Engine & Webbrowser (Summary inkl. Bonus Parts)

[Albert Fischer]

 

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"search' in emails

[alexyu]

In SM, you can activate 'search' for email drafts by the shortcut 
'Ctrl-F'.  Does anyone know if it's possible to change some 
settings/options/whatever so that every email draft always opens with 
the 'search' field active?


And, while I'm on this subject, is there some way to change the order of 
the options in the first 'advanced search' (for folders) so that "Body" 
is the first option, instead of "subject"?  I imagine this is 
'hard-coded'. but perhaps there's some way to change it...


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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[David E. Ross]

On 12/3/2019 7:50 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/2/2019 9:33 PM, Ant wrote:
>> Or only one search engine at a time?
>>
>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
>>
> 
> See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasearch_engine>.
> 

If you would read the complete Wikipedia article cited above, you would
learn that doing a metasearch -- either via a single search application
that in turn uses several other search engines or else somehow making
SeaMonkey select multiple search engines -- can be problematical.

*  Different search engines have differeint input syntaxes.

*  Metasearches too often return redundant results.

*  Etc.

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[EE]

Ant wrote:

On 12/3/2019 2:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 03-12-19 09:55:

On 12/2/2019 9:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

Ant:


Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is MetaGer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


No. In SM's URL form box, you can enter keywords and press its magnifying 
glass search icon for whatever search engine SM is set (e.g., Google). I'd 
like to have it search more than one search engines at the same time like 
in multiple tabs.
When I click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" button .. the 
search is done thru DuckDuckGo.
Perhaps you speak about the: "Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet 
Search" - "Manage Search engines" options


Yes, those parts. Is there a way to search with multiple search engines at 
once like Google and DuckDuckGo?


SearX is a metasearch engine which uses both StartPage and DuckDuckGo. 
StartPage uses Google search.

 https://searx.info/

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ray_Net]

Hello,
You may go to that page <https://metager.org/kontakt> and tell them:
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When I go to that page
<https://metager.org/meta/settings?fokus=web=https%3A%2F%2Fmetager.org%2Fmeta%2Fmeta.ger3%3Feingabe%3Dants%26focus%3Dweb%26submit-query%3D>
or with a shortest url <https://tinyurl.com/txczab6>
, it speak about only 2 search engines; Scopia and Bing

Is it possible to add per example: Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc. ?
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Ant wrote on 04-12-19 21:26:
Thanks. Hmm, 
https://metager.org/meta/settings?fokus=web=https%3A%2F%2Fmetager.org%2Fmeta%2Fmeta.ger3%3Feingabe%3Dants%26focus%3Dweb%26submit-query%3D 
only shows Scopia and Bing in used search engines. How do I add others 
like Google, Duck Duck Go, etc.?


On 12/4/2019 12:01 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
...
I think that at that place there is only ONE default - SO, if you 
need multiple search engine, it would be interesting to put there: 
not DuckDuckGo, nor Google, nor yahoo, but https://metager.org/ in 
english or https://metager.de/ in german.

I have seen that when on the page
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage 
Search engines" options....
you may click on "Manage Search Engines" then click on "Get more 
search engines" thsi will bring you that page:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?atype=4?atype=4
where you can accept the installation of the : "MetaGer - Metasuche 
(Die Metasuche über deutschsprachige Suchmaschinen)" by clicking on 
"Add to Seamonkey"

then,after installation, you may go to :
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage 
Search engines" options
and select this newly installed "search engine" and click on "Move 
Up" until ti is located above all the others.


So now, you can click on it's magnifying glass included in the 
"Search" button .. the search will be done thru ttps://metahger.de/  
(I don't know how to change to https://metager.org/ (in english)

and the search will be done using multiple search engines.

NOTE: I have seen on the metager english page <https://metager.org/> 
a link labelled  "Add MetaGer-Plugin" - I don't know if that is 
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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ant]

Thanks. Hmm, 
https://metager.org/meta/settings?fokus=web=https%3A%2F%2Fmetager.org%2Fmeta%2Fmeta.ger3%3Feingabe%3Dants%26focus%3Dweb%26submit-query%3D 
only shows Scopia and Bing in used search engines. How do I add others 
like Google, Duck Duck Go, etc.?


On 12/4/2019 12:01 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
...
I think that at that place there is only ONE default - SO, if you need 
multiple search engine, it would be interesting to put there: not 
DuckDuckGo, nor Google, nor yahoo, but https://metager.org/ in english 
or https://metager.de/ in german.

I have seen that when on the page
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage Search 
engines" options
you may click on "Manage Search Engines" then click on "Get more search 
engines" thsi will bring you that page:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?atype=4?atype=4
where you can accept the installation of the : "MetaGer - Metasuche (Die 
Metasuche über deutschsprachige Suchmaschinen)" by clicking on "Add to 
Seamonkey"

then,after installation, you may go to :
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage Search 
engines" options
and select this newly installed "search engine" and click on "Move Up" 
until ti is located above all the others.


So now, you can click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" 
button .. the search will be done thru ttps://metahger.de/  (I don't 
know how to change to https://metager.org/ (in english)

and the search will be done using multiple search engines.

NOTE: I have seen on the metager english page <https://metager.org/> a 
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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ray_Net]

Ant wrote on 04-12-19 03:58:

On 12/3/2019 2:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 03-12-19 09:55:

On 12/2/2019 9:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

Ant:


Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is 
MetaGer.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


No. In SM's URL form box, you can enter keywords and press its 
magnifying glass search icon for whatever search engine SM is set 
(e.g., Google). I'd like to have it search more than one search 
engines at the same time like in multiple tabs.
When I click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" button 
.. the search is done thru DuckDuckGo.
Perhaps you speak about the: "Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - 
"Internet Search" - "Manage Search engines" options


Yes, those parts. Is there a way to search with multiple search 
engines at once like Google and DuckDuckGo?
I think that at that place there is only ONE default - SO, if you need 
multiple search engine, it would be interesting to put there: not 
DuckDuckGo, nor Google, nor yahoo, but https://metager.org/ in english 
or https://metager.de/ in german.

I have seen that when on the page
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage Search 
engines" options
you may click on "Manage Search Engines" then click on "Get more search 
engines" thsi will bring you that page:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?atype=4?atype=4
where you can accept the installation of the : "MetaGer - Metasuche (Die 
Metasuche über deutschsprachige Suchmaschinen)" by clicking on "Add to 
Seamonkey"

then,after installation, you may go to :
"Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - "Internet Search" - "Manage Search 
engines" options
and select this newly installed "search engine" and click on "Move Up" 
until ti is located above all the others.


So now, you can click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" 
button .. the search will be done thru ttps://metahger.de/  (I don't 
know how to change to https://metager.org/ (in english)

and the search will be done using multiple search engines.

NOTE: I have seen on the metager english page <https://metager.org/> a 
link labelled  "Add MetaGer-Plugin" - I don't know if that is better.

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ant]

On 12/3/2019 2:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 03-12-19 09:55:

On 12/2/2019 9:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

Ant:


Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is 
MetaGer.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


No. In SM's URL form box, you can enter keywords and press its 
magnifying glass search icon for whatever search engine SM is set 
(e.g., Google). I'd like to have it search more than one search 
engines at the same time like in multiple tabs.
When I click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" button .. 
the search is done thru DuckDuckGo.
Perhaps you speak about the: "Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - 
"Internet Search" - "Manage Search engines" options


Yes, those parts. Is there a way to search with multiple search engines 
at once like Google and DuckDuckGo?

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ray_Net]

Ant wrote on 03-12-19 09:55:

On 12/2/2019 9:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

Ant:


Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is 
MetaGer.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


No. In SM's URL form box, you can enter keywords and press its 
magnifying glass search icon for whatever search engine SM is set 
(e.g., Google). I'd like to have it search more than one search 
engines at the same time like in multiple tabs.
When I click on it's magnifying glass included in the "Search" button .. 
the search is done thru DuckDuckGo.
Perhaps you speak about the: "Edit" - "Préference" - "Browser" - 
"Internet Search" - "Manage Search engines" options

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:

Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


I think only one engine at a time.  It's not just a matter of submitting 
queries (and there are different syntaxes for different engines), but 
also a matter of how results are delivered, especially ordering. 
Seamonkey doesn't have that kind of capacity.


There is something to be said for querying multiple engines 
simultaneously, rather than just throwing everything at Google and 
accepting their results. Google may be the most thorough, but other 
spiders do get stuff that Google misses.


For what you're looking for, you want to be querying a metasearch 
engine, which queries multiple engines, and then does the work of 
aggregating and ordering results.  There's a number out there. One I can 
remember that does this is Dogpile, but there's others as well.


This is where there used to be difference between ixquick.com and 
startpage.com (both run by the same operator). Ixquick used to be a 
metaengine, and startpage is a proxy that queries Google.  However, a 
couple of years back, they shut down ixquick, and any accesses to 
ixquick.com now are redirected to startpage.com.


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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[David E. Ross]

On 12/2/2019 9:33 PM, Ant wrote:
> Or only one search engine at a time?
> 
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
> 

See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasearch_engine>.

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

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Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


You must know that google has a keyword  SITE:url.com   search-terms

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Ant]

On 12/2/2019 9:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

Ant:


Or only one search engine at a time?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is MetaGer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


No. In SM's URL form box, you can enter keywords and press its 
magnifying glass search icon for whatever search engine SM is set (e.g., 
Google). I'd like to have it search more than one search engines at the 
same time like in multiple tabs.

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

[Hartmut Figge]

Ant:

>Or only one search engine at a time?
>
>Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is MetaGer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer

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Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

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Or only one search engine at a time?

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Re: Google search messed up

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Mike C wrote:

Just curious...
Why does
Mozilla Seamonkey do this.
And
Mozella Firefox doesn't

I thought Both SM and FF were both Mozilla.



I noted before is that it's how Google handles things with the User 
Agent setting.  If you set Seamonkey to show a standard Firefox UA, then 
Google's displays are what you expect.  If you use the normal Seamonkey 
UA (with or without advertising of Firefox compatibility), then the 
display is off, in the way that you have described.


For what it is worth, I just checked Pale Moon, where the UA is showing

   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 
Goanna/4.4 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.7.2


where the text following "Firefox" is a PaleMoon identifier, and I'm not 
seeing any display problems there. I don't have a Waterfox 
implementation to check.


There's no telling as to why Google seems to be singling out Seamonkey, 
but it could be that whoever is making the call at Google may be working 
under the assumption that Seamonkey is dead. At the same time, the 
number of Seamonkey users is small enough that for whatever feedback 
they get, changing this issue may be designated as WONTFIX, because the 
number of users is too small to care about.


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Re: Google search messed up

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Just the fact that it worked with Seamonkey 2.49.4 until fairly recently 
should be enough to indicate who broke things.




Mike C wrote:

Just curious...
Why does
Mozilla Seamonkey do this.
And
Mozella Firefox doesn't

I thought Both SM and FF were both Mozilla.



Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the 
box.


And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.






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Re: Google search messed up

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On 29/10/19 04:00, Mike C wrote:

Just curious...
Why does
Mozilla Seamonkey do this.
And
Mozella Firefox doesn't

I thought Both SM and FF were both Mozilla.


The question should be "Why does Google do this? I thought Both SM and 
FF were both Mozilla."


Presumably G's servers look at the UA string and try to classify it as 
one of their known browsers (latest Firefox, latest Firefox ESR, 
whatever version of Chrome -- no doubt they have extensive 
customisations for Chrome versions, etc) and anything else gets the 
weird page designed for some unknown browser, which they assume to be on 
a phone based on stats. The page is broken as served, so can't be 
corrected by blocking client-side code, although overriding styles works 
until they change the page again.


Among the ironies of this is that nowadays almost all browsers would 
adequately render a single conservative page design. What they might 
have more trouble with is leading edge JavaScript spyware, which of 
course is G's stock-in-trade.


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Re: Google search messed up

[Mike C]

Just curious...
Why does
Mozilla Seamonkey do this.
And
Mozella Firefox doesn't

I thought Both SM and FF were both Mozilla.



Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.



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Re: Google search messed up

[Mike C]

I don't know how to do any of these:

> What UA's have  you tried?
> Did removing SM from your UA string do anything?
> Did you set UA override FF part to Firefox/55.0?
> Did setting webgl to disabled do anything?


Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Apparently there's no fix for this.
If you know a fix, please speak up.

And yes I unchecked boxes in preferences > Advanced > HTTP
This fixed the problem about a year ago, doesn't fix it now.


What UA's have  you tried?
Did removing SM from your UA string do anything?
Did you set UA override FF part to Firefox/55.0?
Did setting webgl to disabled do anything?




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Re: Google search messed up

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 25/10/19 22:00, WaltS48 wrote:

... >

Actually feature detection is the preferred way to tell if a browser can 
display the site.
... 


Which we all know, and so do people at Google, as their blog shows. But 
when it comes to their major online product, that all goes out of the 
window, down the toilet, or somewhere else. Hence the (strained) hilarity.


Mozilla's advice "your first step is to try to avoid [UA sniffing] if 
possible" is a bit soft. Just don't do it.


I suppose G's dodgy search pages lump the SeaMonkey UA with some buggy 
mobile browser.


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Re: Google search messed up

[WaltS48]

On 10/25/19 2:12 PM, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 25/10/19 09:22, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


...>

The fix is for Goggle to correct their incorrect user agent detection. 
They don't care about anyhting but Chrome so hell will probably frezze 
over first.


You can only set a custom user agent for their broken site.


Or override the broken layout with user CSS.

Hilariously, you can read this advice to webmasters from Google 
<https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/10/updating-user-agent-of-googlebot.html>: 



"Sites that follow our recommendations to use feature detection and 
progressive enhancement instead of user agent sniffing should continue 
to work without any changes.


If your site looks for a specific user agent, it may be affected. You 
should use feature detection instead of user agent sniffing."


You couldn't make it up, left and right hands, do as I say not as I do, 
etc.


Today, with JS disabled and default UA "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; 
rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5", I'm getting a 
sensible page at .com and .co.uk, with a full menu across the top and a 
correctly themed search box and buttons. The country pages .in, .de, 
.fr, .es, .com.au, etc, have a search box whose text field overlaps the 
top of the bordered area and needs to be about half again as wide and a 
minimal top menu. These things seem to change unpredictably. Most 
recently they started sending CSS embedded in a 

Re: Google search messed up

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 25/10/19 09:22, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


...>

The fix is for Goggle to correct their incorrect user agent detection. 
They don't care about anyhting but Chrome so hell will probably frezze 
over first.


You can only set a custom user agent for their broken site.


Or override the broken layout with user CSS.

Hilariously, you can read this advice to webmasters from Google 
<https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/10/updating-user-agent-of-googlebot.html>:


"Sites that follow our recommendations to use feature detection and 
progressive enhancement instead of user agent sniffing should continue 
to work without any changes.


If your site looks for a specific user agent, it may be affected. You 
should use feature detection instead of user agent sniffing."


You couldn't make it up, left and right hands, do as I say not as I do, etc.

Today, with JS disabled and default UA "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; 
rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5", I'm getting a 
sensible page at .com and .co.uk, with a full menu across the top and a 
correctly themed search box and buttons. The country pages .in, .de, 
.fr, .es, .com.au, etc, have a search box whose text field overlaps the 
top of the bordered area and needs to be about half again as wide and a 
minimal top menu. These things seem to change unpredictably. Most 
recently they started sending CSS embedded in a 

Re: Google search messed up

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Mike C wrote:

Apparently there's no fix for this.
If you know a fix, please speak up.

And yes I unchecked boxes in preferences > Advanced > HTTP
This fixed the problem about a year ago, doesn't fix it now.

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to enter 
a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.





The fix is for Goggle to correct their incorrect user agent detection. They 
don't care about anyhting but Chrome so hell will probably frezze over first.


You can only set a custom user agent for their broken site.

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Re: Google search messed up

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Mike C wrote:

Apparently there's no fix for this.
If you know a fix, please speak up.

And yes I unchecked boxes in preferences > Advanced > HTTP
This fixed the problem about a year ago, doesn't fix it now.


What UA's have  you tried?
Did removing SM from your UA string do anything?
Did you set UA override FF part to Firefox/55.0?
Did setting webgl to disabled do anything?


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Re: Google search messed up

[Jonathan Wilson]

I have "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/64.0" set in about:config under 
general.useragent.override.google.com.au and it seems to work for me.


Without that user agent override I get the same problems others have described.
I have "Advertise Firefox Compatibility" turned on btw.
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Re: Google search messed up

[Mike C]

Apparently there's no fix for this.
If you know a fix, please speak up.

And yes I unchecked boxes in preferences > Advanced > HTTP
This fixed the problem about a year ago, doesn't fix it now.

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.



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Re: Google search messed up

[Ray Davison]

David H. Durgee wrote:


I have used StartPage for years.  They use the google engine but don't
invade my privacy.


But you still get to see what Google thinks you should.  A recent, 
serious study showed that Google has both the bias and ability to effect 
close elections.


Bing and Yahoo did not show bias.

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Re: Google search messed up

[MRoss-GMX]

Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:32 -0500 Mike C wrote:
Google search is messed up in SM browser.


Seamonkey is not the problem, and DuckDuckGo.com helps; But;

Any form of Google is messed up for decades now, not reliable or safe
for use by any non-Google software/server/client to access; not in
compliance with the world standard RFC on IMAP.

It was never compliant with IMAP created by Mark Crispin at Stanford
nor afterwords as it evolved; and Mark informed everybody of that on
the UWash Pine/Alpine list circa 2010 after trying to help Google
correct their servers. Google basically laughed at Mark, ignored him.
I emailed with that list for years, and several times with Mark. He
was open with his exposure of Google and Microsoft proprietary
marketing manners. We lost Mark circa late 2013 at an early age. his
writings must still exist someplace, UWash Alpine email client list
archives maybe.

Google is proprietary on purpose as Google wants it to be to control
and command users, by teasing users, baiting users for their profit,
to use GoogleSpyWare. Or punishes them for not using GoogleSpyWare.
Enjoy it.

Google Spends $3.2 Billion To Control Every Object In The House Of The
Future
https://www.blacklistednews.com/Google_Spends_%243.2_Billion_To_Control_Every_Object_In_The_House_Of_The_Future/32002/0/0/0/Y/M.html

Nothing from Google is safe, certainly not on any Android unit. All
hacked by design. Most financial loss People suffer is via their
Google Android Fone, according to recently released research and I
remember a Forbes financial publication!

I avoid all financial and email use on this DVoid Nokia fone I carry.
Unfortunately, no alternative exists yet. Blackberry is dead. Apple
insane. Nokia Symbian? - lost it and is a shell Android system after
the Microsoft raid and confiscation; trying to recover w-Android OS. I
carry a Nokia 2 model since July, functions I limit, duckduckgo added.

If you access Google webpages, assets, without GoogleSpyWare - don't
expect it to work correctly - on purpose. Use GoogleSpyWare when you
want to access any Google web asset or Google quasi-webpage.

What happened to the generic RFC standard inet and email? Linux OS,
Seamonkey, and Alpine email client type software exists for a reason.
It can avoid outside proprietary control of an inet experience.

Am I wrong, let me have it! But Seamonkey ain't the problem for
search or email or any Google type related asset. Microsoft ain't no
better.

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Re: Google search messed up

[WaltS48]

On 10/23/19 1:08 PM, alex zuber wrote:

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 6:19:55 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to
enter a search request.

Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.


That is a long ongoing problem with Google.
Change your UA.  (See NFN Smith's post.)


Has any body used the the new Google.



If I used SeaMonkey, I would use the default DuckDuckGo search engine.

That is what my Firefox is configured to use for the default search engine.

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Re: Google search messed up

[Paul in Houston, TX]

alex zuber wrote:

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 6:19:55 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to
enter a search request.

Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.


That is a long ongoing problem with Google.
Change your UA.  (See NFN Smith's post.)


Has any body used the the new Google.


Have never seen anything about a new google and don't know what that is.

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Re: Google search messed up

[David H. Durgee]

Ray Davison wrote:
> alex zuber wrote:
> 
>>
>> Has any body used the the new Google.
>>
> No, but I switched to Bing, yes after disliking everything about MS.
> 
> Bing seems to work just fine and doesn't have the issue of this thread,
> or other issues left unstated here.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 

I have used StartPage for years.  They use the google engine but don't
invade my privacy.

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Re: Google search messed up

[Ray Davison]

alex zuber wrote:



Has any body used the the new Google.


No, but I switched to Bing, yes after disliking everything about MS.

Bing seems to work just fine and doesn't have the issue of this thread, 
or other issues left unstated here.


Ray


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Re: Google search messed up

[alex zuber]

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 6:19:55 PM UTC-4, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
> Mike C wrote:
> > Google search is messed up in SM browser.
> >
> > Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to
> > enter a search request.
> >
> > Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.
> >
> > And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.
> 
> That is a long ongoing problem with Google.
> Change your UA.  (See NFN Smith's post.)

Has any body used the the new Google.
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Re: Google search messed up

[cyberzen]

Mike C a écrit :

And yes, I have version 2.49.4
Windows 10 pro

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the 
box.


And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.




TotalSpoof extention
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Re: Google search messed up

[Mike C]

Hello NFN Smith,
Thanks for your suggestion.
Not sure I know how to do it.
Please explain a little more.

> You can also hard-code that into your prefs.js file (via about:config),
> by setting general.useragent.override.google.com to show a true Firefox
> UA.  I had forgotten that I've done this on my own installation.  I
> currently have:
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/60.0
>
> With this, only Google sees me showing Firefox without Seamonkey, and
> the display in Google's search bar turns up correctly. I've just updated
> my settings to show Firefox 68 (e.g., 68esr), rather than 60.

Thanks in advance.



NFN Smith wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the 
box.


And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.



That's been around for some time -- it's definitely an annoyance, but 
not a true problem.


For some reason, Google seems to not like the standard User Agent string 
that shows "Seamonkey" in the name.


Mine is currently:

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5


I've found that with UA spoofing, if I remove the reference to 
SeaMonkey, then the display issue with Google goes away.


Personally, I use the PrefBar extension to allow me to change my UA 
string when I want it, although it's now hard to find that extension.


You can also hard-code that into your prefs.js file (via about:config), 
by setting general.useragent.override.google.com to show a true Firefox 
UA.  I had forgotten that I've done this on my own installation.  I 
currently have:


    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0


With this, only Google sees me showing Firefox without Seamonkey, and 
the display in Google's search bar turns up correctly. I've just updated 
my settings to show Firefox 68 (e.g., 68esr), rather than 60.


You can also specify spoofing globally by making your setting in 
general.useragent.override (rather than specifically for google.com), 
although I don't recommend that, as global spoofing will also turn up in 
your email.  Although most people don't track the User-Agent header in 
email, Seamonkey does put that info there, and if you're spoofing, it 
does look odd to see email from a user that purports to be sending with 
Firefox as an email client.


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Re: Google search messed up

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to
enter a search request.

Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.


That is a long ongoing problem with Google.
Change your UA.  (See NFN Smith's post.)

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Re: Google search messed up

[NFN Smith]

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.



That's been around for some time -- it's definitely an annoyance, but 
not a true problem.


For some reason, Google seems to not like the standard User Agent string 
that shows "Seamonkey" in the name.


Mine is currently:

   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5


I've found that with UA spoofing, if I remove the reference to 
SeaMonkey, then the display issue with Google goes away.


Personally, I use the PrefBar extension to allow me to change my UA 
string when I want it, although it's now hard to find that extension.


You can also hard-code that into your prefs.js file (via about:config), 
by setting general.useragent.override.google.com to show a true Firefox 
UA.  I had forgotten that I've done this on my own installation.  I 
currently have:


   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0


With this, only Google sees me showing Firefox without Seamonkey, and 
the display in Google's search bar turns up correctly. I've just updated 
my settings to show Firefox 68 (e.g., 68esr), rather than 60.


You can also specify spoofing globally by making your setting in 
general.useragent.override (rather than specifically for google.com), 
although I don't recommend that, as global spoofing will also turn up in 
your email.  Although most people don't track the User-Agent header in 
email, Seamonkey does put that info there, and if you're spoofing, it 
does look odd to see email from a user that purports to be sending with 
Firefox as an email client.


Smith

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Re: Google search messed up

[Mike C]

And yes, I have version 2.49.4
Windows 10 pro

Mike C wrote:

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.



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Google search messed up

[Mike C]

Google search is messed up in SM browser.

Normally the cursor sits in the center of the Google window for me to 
enter a search request.


Now it's sitting up at the top of the window, over the top line of the box.

And if more than 18 letters some letters disappear.

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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[stan]

Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".

>
> To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise Firefox 
compatibility.

>
> This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.
>
> Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting 
turned off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. With 
this setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.


This use to worked but recently it stopped working.
It is same distorted box.
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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[stan]

Paul Bergsagel wrote:
I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise Firefox 
compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting turned 
off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. With this 
setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.



This use to worked but recently it stopped working.
It is same distorted box.
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Re: newer machine search (was: Ubuntuzilla install of Seamonkey 2.49.5 missing file)

[MRoss-GMX]

Tue, 15 Oct 2019 05:03 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
MRoss-GMX composed on 2019-10-14 25:33 (UTC-0500):


Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:31 -0400 Jonathan N. Little wrote:



I think your problem is the GMA 950 old Intel video. Support problems
with newer kernels. You can try editing the boot parameter in grub and add



i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
supposed to fix it.



I wondered about the graphics sys in this thing, so will try it. Been
a while since I edited GRUB. Carefully!



But you do have really old hardware. A newer T430 are going for @
$100-$150 comes with a 3-4 gen i5. I have a L530 I bought a few years
ago $200 running 18.04 no problems.



I am looking for a newer machine, just not up to date on which is
best, and overloaded with other matters.



GMA was the last Intel GPU generation before Intel moved the GPU from the
Northbridge to the CPU die. Those since then have proven quite reliable with
Linux, and with very respectable performance, not infrequently on par with 
higher
cost discrete GPUs from NVidia and AMD.

Don't let yourself get confused with generations. The numbers for the chipsets 
and
CPUs are different from those for the GPUs. I use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units for 
keeping
things straight.

If you're looking for good value, look for any of the off-lease "refurbs" made
since around 2010. I have 3 Dell Optiplex 760 and 780 models with the last of 
the
GMAs (Gen4) that were the first to do x264 video playback in hardware, very 
decent
compared to early GMAs like the 950, but newer custom builts from 2013 (Haswell 
by
MSI) and 2018 (Kaby Lake by Asus & Gigabyte) that are considerably better. Best
long term value is probably in the 3-4 years old range, Broadwell/Gen8.

Both Intel and AMD are well supported by free drivers, while NVidia continues to
withhold specifications, which forces FOSS driver writers to reverse engineer,
which in turn forces many of its Linux users to use its proprietary drivers that
are often difficult to keep in sync with kernel upgrades.


This is where real working solutions are found; user forums providing
ref from users of hardware, OSs, and application software like
Seamonkey. And what works is important, yet what does not work is
important too; what needs avoided, what does not mix. Thanks to all
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Re: newer machine search (was: Ubuntuzilla install of Seamonkey 2.49.5 missing file)

[Felix Miata]

MRoss-GMX composed on 2019-10-14 25:33 (UTC-0500):

>> Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:31 -0400 Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>> I think your problem is the GMA 950 old Intel video. Support problems
>> with newer kernels. You can try editing the boot parameter in grub and add

>> i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
>> supposed to fix it.

> I wondered about the graphics sys in this thing, so will try it. Been
> a while since I edited GRUB. Carefully!

>> But you do have really old hardware. A newer T430 are going for @
>> $100-$150 comes with a 3-4 gen i5. I have a L530 I bought a few years
>> ago $200 running 18.04 no problems.

> I am looking for a newer machine, just not up to date on which is
> best, and overloaded with other matters.
GMA was the last Intel GPU generation before Intel moved the GPU from the
Northbridge to the CPU die. Those since then have proven quite reliable with
Linux, and with very respectable performance, not infrequently on par with 
higher
cost discrete GPUs from NVidia and AMD.

Don't let yourself get confused with generations. The numbers for the chipsets 
and
CPUs are different from those for the GPUs. I use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units for 
keeping
things straight.

If you're looking for good value, look for any of the off-lease "refurbs" made
since around 2010. I have 3 Dell Optiplex 760 and 780 models with the last of 
the
GMAs (Gen4) that were the first to do x264 video playback in hardware, very 
decent
compared to early GMAs like the 950, but newer custom builts from 2013 (Haswell 
by
MSI) and 2018 (Kaby Lake by Asus & Gigabyte) that are considerably better. Best
long term value is probably in the 3-4 years old range, Broadwell/Gen8.

Both Intel and AMD are well supported by free drivers, while NVidia continues to
withhold specifications, which forces FOSS driver writers to reverse engineer,
which in turn forces many of its Linux users to use its proprietary drivers that
are often difficult to keep in sync with kernel upgrades.
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Re: Search plugins

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

EE wrote:

I tried that.  That was the one that produced the huge icon that distorted 
the size of the whole toolbar. I found another one at MycroftProject, but 
that one was only in German. I was able to

create a hybrid of both which I installed into Pale Moon, because
that installation is easy to do. If I could either shrink the icon
or install the hybrid manually into SeaMonkey, I would use it, but as
things are, I do not consider either plugin usable. I suppose there
is no bookmarklet that would allow manual installation of search
plugins into SeaMonkey?


If the only issue is the size of the icon, someone here should be able to tell 
you how to hack the icon to fix it. Sorry, beyond my ability.


I just got some advice from someone about solving the problem.  If you remove 
or rename the file search.json.mozlz4 in the profile (with SeaMonkey off) and 
tben add a searchplugins directory to the profile with whatever search plugins 
you want to add in there, they will be used.  It works.


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Re: Search plugins

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EE wrote:

I tried that.  That was the one that produced the huge icon that 
distorted the size of the whole toolbar. I found another one at 
MycroftProject, but that one was only in German. I was able to

create a hybrid of both which I installed into Pale Moon, because
that installation is easy to do. If I could either shrink the icon
or install the hybrid manually into SeaMonkey, I would use it, but as
things are, I do not consider either plugin usable. I suppose there
is no bookmarklet that would allow manual installation of search
plugins into SeaMonkey?


If the only issue is the size of the icon, someone here should be able 
to tell you how to hack the icon to fix it. Sorry, beyond my ability.


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Re: Search plugins

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

EE wrote:

Is there any way to add a search plugin manually to SeaMonkey?  I found and 
was able to edit a search plugin, which was then easy to install in Pale 
Moon's profile, but SeaMonkey haa no searchplugins directory in its profile 
any more.


I found a search plugin in addons.thunderbird.net for MetaGer, but when I 
installed it in SeaMonkey, it created a huge icon.  The icon was supposed to 
be 16x16, but it came out 32x32 when displayed.  Is there any way to edit that?


Try this:

Edit | Preferences | Browser | Internet Search
Click [Manage Search Engines...]

If you don't see what you want, click "Get more search engines" at the lower 
left of the dialog box. In the browser window that opens, MetaGer is at 
<https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?sort=name=4%3Fatype%3D4=115> 



HTH

I tried that.  That was the one that produced the huge icon that distorted the 
size of the whole toolbar.  I found another one at MycroftProject, but that 
one was only in German.  I was able to create a hybrid of both which I 
installed into Pale Moon, because that installation is easy to do.  If I could 
either shrink the icon or install the hybrid manually into SeaMonkey, I would 
use it, but as things are, I do not consider either plugin usable.
I suppose there is no bookmarklet that would allow manual installation of 
search plugins into SeaMonkey?

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Re: Search plugins

[Paul B. Gallagher]

EE wrote:

Is there any way to add a search plugin manually to SeaMonkey?  I found 
and was able to edit a search plugin, which was then easy to install in 
Pale Moon's profile, but SeaMonkey haa no searchplugins directory in its 
profile any more.


I found a search plugin in addons.thunderbird.net for MetaGer, but when 
I installed it in SeaMonkey, it created a huge icon.  The icon was 
supposed to be 16x16, but it came out 32x32 when displayed.  Is there 
any way to edit that?


Try this:

Edit | Preferences | Browser | Internet Search
Click [Manage Search Engines...]

If you don't see what you want, click "Get more search engines" at the 
lower left of the dialog box. In the browser window that opens, MetaGer 
is at 
<https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?sort=name=4%3Fatype%3D4=115>


HTH

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Search plugins

[EE]

Is there any way to add a search plugin manually to SeaMonkey?  I found and 
was able to edit a search plugin, which was then easy to install in Pale 
Moon's profile, but SeaMonkey haa no searchplugins directory in its profile 
any more.


I found a search plugin in addons.thunderbird.net for MetaGer, but when I 
installed it in SeaMonkey, it created a huge icon.  The icon was supposed to 
be 16x16, but it came out 32x32 when displayed.  Is there any way to edit that?

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Re: MY - solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[NFN Smith]

Ray_Net wrote:

My solution is to put in the user.js file:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");



Although I prefer doing UA spoofing via extension, where I can change 
stuff on the fly, this is a good example of where using 
general.useragent.override for a specific site is useful.  For me, I'm 
content to put in prefs.js via about:config than the user.js file.


I've just done this to my own configs and confirmed it working, although 
I use Google's main search page infrequently enough that Google's 
display issue is more of an annoyance than a real problem.


That said, I would suggest using the string used by the Firefox ESR 
version, rather than the current version so that you don't have to 
remember to go back and change the version information when Firefox 
updates.  With the ESR numbers, you only have to do that when a new ESR 
cycle starts.


On my own setups, I'm using:


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0


Smith

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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

At the moment Google serves both old and new versions of its search 
pages. The search box problem is with the new home pages: eg 
https://www.google.[co.uk,fr,de,...]. However the new results pages, as 
of the last few months, are also corrupted.


Instead of spoofing the UA, you can restyle the pages.

The CSS below (NB unwrap the @-moz-document line) makes the new Google 
search pages appear sensibly. You can add this using an extension such 
as Stylish or Stylus, or through chrome/userContent.css in your profile 
directory (see the userContent-example.css shipped with SM in that 
directory for help).


@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

/* match google.[com, co.uk, .fr, ...][/search?..., ?gws_rd...] */
@-moz-document regexp( 
"^https?://www\\.google\\.(com|((co\\.)?[a-z]{2}))(/((search\\?|\\?gws_rd=.+))?)?") 
{


  /* fix search text box */
  #searchform form input[type="text"] {
/* vertical position of text */
margin-top: 0;
/* width of text field */
width: 49ch;
  }

  /* fix results page */
  /* use more of the window */
  body {
max-width: 90%;
  }
  /* put the search box in the middle */
  .Pg70bf {
justify-content: center;
  }
  /* highlight text boxes */
  .sbc input[type="text"] {
background:   honeydew;
  }
  /* re-add borders */
  body>div>div {
box-shadow: 0 0px 0px ;
  }
  /* spread footer nav out */
  footer>div:first-child>div>div {
display: flex;
justify-content: center;
  }
}


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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/19/2019 08:13 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise Firefox 
compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting turned 
off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. With this 
setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.




*THANK YOU* !
I had assumed that Google was one of sites placing graphics at absolute 
positions rather than making them a function of font size.



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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ronnie wrote:

hmmm after a quick test it seems it sends me to google mobile mode...


Paul Bergsagel wrote:
I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came across a 
solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's preferences 
click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise Firefox compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting turned off 
I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. With this setting 
turned off, some sites even appear to work.




Turning off Firefox compatibility will break other web sites. Regardless of 
what you do something will not work unless you use a specific domain override. 
You can use a global override for every site to report a genunie Firefox UA 
but in this case you give sites even less incentive to do it right and bolster 
Firefox market share by another 0.001%. Something I personally dislike to no end.


FRG
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MY - solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Ray_Net]

My solution is to put in the user.js file:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");


 (note if you use google.fr, you should use:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.fr", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");



Ronnie wrote on 20-06-19 06:16:
Thanks, another user I think suggested that as well.. but I just now 
got around to trying it. it's better than my solution of yet 
another addon




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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Ronnie]

hmmm after a quick test it seems it sends me to google mobile mode...


Paul Bergsagel wrote:
I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise 
Firefox compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting 
turned off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. 
With this setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.





Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just 
me and

if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they 
used a (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties 
seeing the text they entered  as though, to start, they were 
entering their text on line 2 of a 1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you 
could not work out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.



Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock 
to SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to 
work.


FRG


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Re: Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Ronnie]

Thanks, another user I think suggested that as well.. but I just now got 
around to trying it. it's better than my solution of yet another 
addon



Paul Bergsagel wrote:
I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise 
Firefox compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting 
turned off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. 
With this setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.





Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just 
me and

if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they 
used a (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties 
seeing the text they entered  as though, to start, they were 
entering their text on line 2 of a 1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you 
could not work out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.



Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock 
to SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to 
work.


FRG


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Simple solution for Google search box: (Re: google search box)

[Paul Bergsagel]

I suffered from the Google search mess with SeaMonkey.  Then I came 
across a solution: I turned off "advertise Firefox compatibility".


To turn off "advertise Firefox compatibility" go to SeaMonkey's 
preferences click on Advance>HTTP Networking>(uncheck)Advertise Firefox 
compatibility.


This fix solved the difficulties I was having with Google.

Google returned to its normal appearance.  Also With this setting turned 
off I have yet to find any negative effects on other sites. With this 
setting turned off, some sites even appear to work.





Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me 
and

if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they 
used a (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties seeing 
the text they entered  as though, to start, they were entering 
their text on line 2 of a 1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you could 
not work out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.



Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock to 
SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to work.


FRG


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Re: google search box

[David E. Ross]

On 6/19/2019 1:21 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> 
> 
> Daniel wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:
>>> On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
>>>> I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me and
>>>> if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
>>>> hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
>>>> for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...
>>>
>>> Windows 7
>>> SeaMonkey 2.49.4
>>>
>>> If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
>>> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
>>> problem there.
>>>
>>> However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
>>> information about me and my searches.
>>>
>> I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they used a 
>> (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties seeing the text they 
>> entered  as though, to start, they were entering their text on line 2 of 
>> a 
>> 1.5 line high text box.
>>
>> Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you could not 
>> work 
>> out!
>>
>> I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.
>>
> 
> Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock to 
> SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to work.
> 
> FRG
> 

As I reported earlier in this thread, I do not see this problem at
Google's Advanced Search.  I generally disable "Advertise Firefox
compatibility", so my user agent string is
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.4

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Re: google search box

[Ronnie]

Thanks for the help! I'm on linux and it's been driving me crazy.. I 
found the newly update 'TotalSpoof' addon fixes it nicely... it's 
extremely lightweight and as an added plus it convinces the seamonkey 
addons site that all their plugins are compatible... in other words not 
greyed out... which will be great for most user... it also of course 
completely fixes the google search box issues...


https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/totalspoof/?src=search

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me 
and

if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they 
used a (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties seeing 
the text they entered  as though, to start, they were entering 
their text on line 2 of a 1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you could 
not work out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.



Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock to 
SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to work.


FRG
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Re: google search box

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:

I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me and
if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they used a 
(Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties seeing the text they 
entered  as though, to start, they were entering their text on line 2 of a 
1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you could not work 
out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.



Google does incorrect user agent sniffing and return html gobblygock to 
SeaMonkey. You need to set a plain Firefox user agent for this to work.


FRG
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Re: google search box

[Daniel]

David E. Ross wrote on 19/06/2019 2:41 PM:

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:

I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me and
if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

I seem to recall, some time ago, someone reporting that, when they used 
a (Google??) search engine, they were having difficulties seeing the 
text they entered  as though, to start, they were entering their 
text on line 2 of a 1.5 line high text box.


Some letters you could work out by their tops, some letters you could 
not work out!


I don't recall what the fix was ... as I also use dickduckgo.com.

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: google search box

[David E. Ross]

On 6/18/2019 8:10 PM, Ronnie wrote:
> I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me and 
> if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is 
> hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows 
> for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...

Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

If I use Google, I always use its Advanced Search at
<http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en>.  I do not see your
problem there.

However, I generally search with DuckDuckGo at
<https://duckduckgo.com/>.  They do not capture and retain any
information about me and my searches.

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google search box

[Ronnie]

I've been dealing with this quite a while and wonder if it's just me and 
if not whats the fix... the search box in google with seamonkey is 
hosed... the cursor places itself in a weird position and only allows 
for so many characters to be entered before it starts to be hidden...

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Re: Fix for incorrect google search box

[EE]

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
As mentioned here several times before, I find Google services (at 
least search and maps) work best in SeaMonkey with "Advertise Firefox 
Compatibility" disabled, and exhibit those sort of issues with text 
input and menus when it's enabled.


Thanks. Disabling "advertise Firefox compatibility" restored the normal 
Google search box.


To turn off "Advertise Firefox compatibility" go to 
Preferences->advanced->Http Networking.  Uncheck "advertise Firefox 
compatibility".


There is another possibility.  You can use an override aimed at only one 
site.  For using Dailymotion with SeaMonkey, I set up this in about:config:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.dailymotion.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0");


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re: Fix for incorrect google search box

[Paul Bergsagel]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
As mentioned here several times before, I find Google services (at least 
search and maps) work best in SeaMonkey with "Advertise Firefox 
Compatibility" disabled, and exhibit those sort of issues with text 
input and menus when it's enabled.


Thanks. Disabling "advertise Firefox compatibility" restored the normal 
Google search box.


To turn off "Advertise Firefox compatibility" go to 
Preferences->advanced->Http Networking.  Uncheck "advertise Firefox 
compatibility".

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Re: Seamonkey and Google search field

[Rubens via support-seamonkey]

Yamo' wrote on 21/11/2018 14:03:


Hi,


FMurtz wrote:

Google is putting the cursor on the top line of the box instead of the
beginning in centre of the box and limiting the characters on view in
the box (the first part of the querie disappears as you type after
about twenty characters), this does not happen with Google from IE and
does not happen with DuckDuckGo in Seamonkey.
I use Windows XP and Seamonkey 2.49.4.


Did not really expect an answer, I can not remember when I ever got a
useful answer in this group.


When spoofing the user agent for IE8 it works!



This user agent worked for me:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0 
Lightning/5.4
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Re: No search results on Twitter for #braunschweig

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:


Hi,

from time to time I see this strange effect:



SeaMonkey shows hits for a particular hashtag1 combined with hashtag2, 
but not [for hashtag1 alone]. Until now I have not done systematic 
research (new user profile, ...). Any Ideas?



WFM on 2.49.4.

Here:  and here: 
 both show lots of hits.


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Re: No search results on Twitter for #braunschweig

[GerardJan]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

from time to time I see this strangeeffect:

https://twitter.com/RrBd57/status/1033627744498851841

SeaMonkey shows hits for a particular hashtag1 combined with hashtag2, but not 
only for hashtag1. Until now I have not done systematic research (new user 
profile, ...). Any Ideas?




works fine on my /fedora20 desktop/
i did not try it on my /Apple iPAD/

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4

Build identifier: 20180711183816
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No search results on Twitter for #braunschweig

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

from time to time I see this strangeeffect:

https://twitter.com/RrBd57/status/1033627744498851841

SeaMonkey shows hits for a particular hashtag1 combined with hashtag2, 
but not only for hashtag1. Until now I have not done systematic research 
(new user profile, ...). Any Ideas?


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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:
The virus scanner/firewall should not mess with safebrowsing. This just 
fetches the safebrowsing lists at regular intervals and matches the urls 
you visit against it. I would consider it a defect in Bullguard.


FRG

dirk wrote:

dirk schreef:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:

OK, I checked with Bullguard support, and they advised me to:

"Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. 
Remove the check by Google and see if the issue persists."


All google OK now.

So, it IS an antivirus/firewall thingie...!

Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. 
Remove the check by Google and see if the issue persists.


I wouldn't know if it's a BG defect, one other is BING, also won't work 
when checked for safe browsing so Yeah, Bullguard is the "crook in 
the middle" here I guess ... hahaha


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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The virus scanner/firewall should not mess with safebrowsing. This just 
fetches the safebrowsing lists at regular intervals and matches the urls you 
visit against it. I would consider it a defect in Bullguard.


FRG

dirk wrote:

dirk schreef:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:

Preferences->Privacy & Security->Certificates->Manage Certificates

Which ones to install and where they are located is dependent on the 
antivirus software. You need to ask your software vendor.


I would turn off any https interception. Can be misused for man in the 
middle attacks and imho makes you more vulnerable not less.


FRG



When I do that I cant't find ANY certificates at all.

And where do I find the Bullguard certificate? Not on bullguard.com

What a DRAMA this is 


OK, I checked with Bullguard support, and they advised me to:

"Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. Remove 
the check by Google and see if the issue persists."


All google OK now.

So, it IS an antivirus/firewall thingie...!

Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. Remove 
the check by Google and see if the issue persists.

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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

dirk schreef:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:

Preferences->Privacy & Security->Certificates->Manage Certificates

Which ones to install and where they are located is dependent on the 
antivirus software. You need to ask your software vendor.


I would turn off any https interception. Can be misused for man in the 
middle attacks and imho makes you more vulnerable not less.


FRG



When I do that I cant't find ANY certificates at all.

And where do I find the Bullguard certificate? Not on bullguard.com

What a DRAMA this is 


OK, I checked with Bullguard support, and they advised me to:

"Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. 
Remove the check by Google and see if the issue persists."


All google OK now.

So, it IS an antivirus/firewall thingie...!

Afterwards click on go back to Settings > Antivirus > Safe browsing. 
Remove the check by Google and see if the issue persists.

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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

dirk schreef:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:

Preferences->Privacy & Security->Certificates->Manage Certificates

Which ones to install and where they are located is dependent on the 
antivirus software. You need to ask your software vendor.


I would turn off any https interception. Can be misused for man in the 
middle attacks and imho makes you more vulnerable not less.


FRG



When I do that I cant't find ANY certificates at all.

And where do I find the Bullguard certificate? Not on bullguard.com

What a DRAMA this is 



OK, I checked with Bullguard support, and they advised me to:

"Go to the "Firewall" section and disable this BullGuard engine, then 
click on the back button."


All google OK now.

So, it IS an antivirus/firewall thingie...!
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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:

Preferences->Privacy & Security->Certificates->Manage Certificates

Which ones to install and where they are located is dependent on the 
antivirus software. You need to ask your software vendor.


I would turn off any https interception. Can be misused for man in the 
middle attacks and imho makes you more vulnerable not less.


FRG



When I do that I cant't find ANY certificates at all.

And where do I find the Bullguard certificate? Not on bullguard.com

What a DRAMA this is 
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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Preferences->Privacy & Security->Certificates->Manage Certificates

Which ones to install and where they are located is dependent on the antivirus 
software. You need to ask your software vendor.


I would turn off any https interception. Can be misused for man in the middle 
attacks and imho makes you more vulnerable not less.


FRG

dirk wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:
In 99% of all cases always the same. Virus scanner acts as a man in the 
middle and intercepts https traffic. You need to disable it or install the 
virus scanner certificate(s) in SeaMonkey. There were enough cases discussed 
here. Just use search or ask for support wrt. your virus scanner.


FRG



How do I install these certificate in SM then?



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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl schreef:
In 99% of all cases always the same. Virus scanner acts as a man in the 
middle and intercepts https traffic. You need to disable it or install 
the virus scanner certificate(s) in SeaMonkey. There were enough cases 
discussed here. Just use search or ask for support wrt. your virus scanner.


FRG



How do I install these certificate in SM then?


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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

Daniel schreef:

dirk wrote on 12/07/2018 7:51 PM:




Did ANYONE solve this issue?

- I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al. -
I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.

Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.

- Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just
quit. - Searching address results in nothing. - Google Youtube loads,
but can't log me in to my account - Google Agenda same 

Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?

Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because
 the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...

It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser
to Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the
program doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in
Seamonkey.

And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system
settings, SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard
browser, and I can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either

REALY, ANYONE?!?!?

Don't know if anyone solved your main problem with Google, but there's 
always DuckDuckGo if you're just looking for a Search Engine!


And yes, SeaMonkey is a Suite, so prefers to use its inbuilt Browser, 
but, if you want, you can use an external Browser (Firefox, Chrome MSIE, 
etc.) by setting a Preference. Enter "about:config" (without the commas) 
in the Browser address bar, accept the warning, then enter "external" in 
the Search: bar, and I think you want to change 
"browser.link.open_external" to something else.


Check http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#Browser for 
explanations.




it was set to 3, and I set it to 2 and still no start of external 
browser.


But I don't think this setting is the problem, it would seem to be a 
Google CERTIFIATE problem, given the error message...


Someone?

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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

In 99% of all cases always the same. Virus scanner acts as a man in the middle 
and intercepts https traffic. You need to disable it or install the virus 
scanner certificate(s) in SeaMonkey. There were enough cases discussed here. 
Just use search or ask for support wrt. your virus scanner.


FRG

Daniel wrote:

dirk wrote on 12/07/2018 7:51 PM:




Did ANYONE solve this issue?

- I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al. -
I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.

Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.

- Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just
quit. - Searching address results in nothing. - Google Youtube loads,
but can't log me in to my account - Google Agenda same 

Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?

Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because
 the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...

It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser
to Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the
program doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in
Seamonkey.

And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system
settings, SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard
browser, and I can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either

REALY, ANYONE?!?!?

Don't know if anyone solved your main problem with Google, but there's always 
DuckDuckGo if you're just looking for a Search Engine!


And yes, SeaMonkey is a Suite, so prefers to use its inbuilt Browser, but, if 
you want, you can use an external Browser (Firefox, Chrome MSIE, etc.) by 
setting a Preference. Enter "about:config" (without the commas) in the Browser 
address bar, accept the warning, then enter "external" in the Search: bar, and 
I think you want to change "browser.link.open_external" to something else.


Check http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#Browser for explanations.


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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[Daniel]

dirk wrote on 12/07/2018 7:51 PM:




Did ANYONE solve this issue?

- I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al. -
I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.

Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.

- Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just
quit. - Searching address results in nothing. - Google Youtube loads,
but can't log me in to my account - Google Agenda same 

Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?

Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because
 the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...

It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser
to Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the
program doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in
Seamonkey.

And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system
settings, SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard
browser, and I can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either

REALY, ANYONE?!?!?

Don't know if anyone solved your main problem with Google, but there's 
always DuckDuckGo if you're just looking for a Search Engine!


And yes, SeaMonkey is a Suite, so prefers to use its inbuilt Browser, 
but, if you want, you can use an external Browser (Firefox, Chrome MSIE, 
etc.) by setting a Preference. Enter "about:config" (without the commas) 
in the Browser address bar, accept the warning, then enter "external" in 
the Search: bar, and I think you want to change 
"browser.link.open_external" to something else.


Check http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#Browser for 
explanations.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[David E. Ross]

On 7/12/2018 3:12 AM, dirk wrote:
> dirk schreef:
>>>>
>>>
>>> (sorry, I've been busy)
>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/expert-huawei-routers-are-riddled-with-vulnerabilities/#
>>>  
>>> is rather discouraging and - quite honestly - unhelpful.  One would 
>>> hope the company offer firmware updates, you might want to check for 
>>> them.
>>>
>>> https://modemly.com/Huawei-HG635-TalkTalk-router-setup is interesting. 
>>> Ideally you would need a cable connection to update the configuration 
>>> but that is obviously not the case here.  How many neighbours do you 
>>> have, neighbours with wifi range?  Hacker neighbours.
>>>
>>> http://resetrouter.info/router/Huawei/HG635-TalkTalk pretty much says 
>>> the same things.  I'd glance at both before acting.
>>>
>>> I would *not* Filter MAC Addresses or in particular, Disable Broadcast 
>>> SSID.  I have had MAC address filtering turned on in the past and it 
>>> is just too inconvenient.
>>>
>>> Best of luck.
>>>
>>
>> Did ANYONE solve this issue?
>>
>> - I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al.
>> - I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.
>>
>> Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.
>>
>> - Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just quit.
>> - Searching address results in nothing.
>> - Google Youtube loads, but can't log me in to my account
>> - Google Agenda same 
>>
>> Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?
>>
>> Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because 
>> the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...
>>
>> It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser to 
>> Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the program 
>> doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in Seamonkey.
>>
>> And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system settings, 
>> SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard browser, and I 
>> can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either
>>
>> REALY, ANYONE?!?!?
>>
> 
> I also made a brandnew profile and restarted SM, still no Google related 
> site loads.
> 
> RRRG
> 

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.3
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled
Cookies for the originating Web site only
Popups blocked
Images from other domains blocked
28 extensions eanabled
AVG Anti-Virus Free 18.5.3059
No proxy or VPN
Motorola cable modem
Netgear cable/DSL Internet router
Flash disabled

This works for me, for both Google Translate and Google Advanced Search.
 One of my extensions is Secret Agent, which is set to spoof a different
browser on each HTTP request; it also sends varying headers on each
request, all to confound tracking.  I still get Google Advanced Search
for various spoofs.

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Attorney-General Sessions claims the bible favors imprisoning illegal
aliens.  However, God repeatedly commanded us to welcome the stranger in
our land.  For example, see the following:
Exodus 22:20 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage=2=22#P2131>
Exodus 23:9 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage=2=23#P2151>
Deuteronomy 10:19 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage=5=10#P5200>
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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

dirk schreef:




(sorry, I've been busy)
https://www.cnet.com/news/expert-huawei-routers-are-riddled-with-vulnerabilities/# 
is rather discouraging and - quite honestly - unhelpful.  One would 
hope the company offer firmware updates, you might want to check for 
them.


https://modemly.com/Huawei-HG635-TalkTalk-router-setup is interesting. 
Ideally you would need a cable connection to update the configuration 
but that is obviously not the case here.  How many neighbours do you 
have, neighbours with wifi range?  Hacker neighbours.


http://resetrouter.info/router/Huawei/HG635-TalkTalk pretty much says 
the same things.  I'd glance at both before acting.


I would *not* Filter MAC Addresses or in particular, Disable Broadcast 
SSID.  I have had MAC address filtering turned on in the past and it 
is just too inconvenient.


Best of luck.



Did ANYONE solve this issue?

- I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al.
- I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.

Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.

- Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just quit.
- Searching address results in nothing.
- Google Youtube loads, but can't log me in to my account
- Google Agenda same 

Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?

Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because 
the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...


It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser to 
Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the program 
doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in Seamonkey.


And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system settings, 
SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard browser, and I 
can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either


REALY, ANYONE?!?!?



I also made a brandnew profile and restarted SM, still no Google related 
site loads.


RRRG

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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[dirk]

IRRITATING SPAMMER schreef:

rogihil...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 14 May 2018 18:51:09 UTC+1, IRRITATING SPAMMER  wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 5/13/18, rogihil...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Sunday, 13 May 2018 12:17:38 UTC+1, chicagofan  wrote:

IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:



It appears that your problem is a serious danger to your data and 
you

need to fix it smartish.
- How did it get past your virus scanner in the first place?
- What router are you using?  Some of them are insecure.
As a temporary measure (you do need to fix this), try using 
something

like https://duckduckgo.com/ as a search engine. You can either call
it explicitly or change your settings to call it implicitly.



I've been using duckduckgo for several years with no problems. Can't
tell any difference from Google.  Mozilla reference caused the 
switch.

bj


No difference to this hijacker/virus when starting in safe mode. As 
soon as
google.com is entered it blocks with Capitcha questions which are 
never

satisfied. I use Kaspersky antivirus and Malwarebytes and Adwcleaner.
Nothing they found and cleaned has helped so far.


Safe mode doesn't reset your prefs.  Try it with a brand new profile.

Lee



My "research" on the subject indicated the problem could even be a
rootkit.  The fact that resetting the router helped for a few minutes
leads me to suspect that the problem may not even be on the PC.  That is
why I asked what the router was.

--
spammus ergo sum


I am using an HG635 super router from TalkTalk which I think is made 
by Huawei




(sorry, I've been busy)
https://www.cnet.com/news/expert-huawei-routers-are-riddled-with-vulnerabilities/# 
is rather discouraging and - quite honestly - unhelpful.  One would hope 
the company offer firmware updates, you might want to check for them.


https://modemly.com/Huawei-HG635-TalkTalk-router-setup is interesting. 
Ideally you would need a cable connection to update the configuration 
but that is obviously not the case here.  How many neighbours do you 
have, neighbours with wifi range?  Hacker neighbours.


http://resetrouter.info/router/Huawei/HG635-TalkTalk pretty much says 
the same things.  I'd glance at both before acting.


I would *not* Filter MAC Addresses or in particular, Disable Broadcast 
SSID.  I have had MAC address filtering turned on in the past and it is 
just too inconvenient.


Best of luck.



Did ANYONE solve this issue?

- I tried resetting the router to factory and it didn't help at al.
- I switched off or deleted addons, nothing either.

Anything GOOGLE related just doesnt pass the certificate error.

- Google maps loads up to a certain point, and the seems to just quit.
- Searching address results in nothing.
- Google Youtube loads, but can't log me in to my account
- Google Agenda same 

Whats's going on and why can't it be solved?

Is it my Bullguard doing something? T.b.h., I don't think so, because 
the message comes from Seamonkey, NOT from Bullguard...


It's creaping me out, and oh yes, I can change the standard browser to 
Chrome or IE, but if I click a link in a Seamomnkey mail, the program 
doesn't load the link in Chrome or IE, but still in Seamonkey.


And after changing the standard browser in Win 8.1 PRO' system settings, 
SEAMONKEY still tells me that Seamonkey is the standard browser, and I 
can't change it inside Seomonkeys program either


REALY, ANYONE?!?!?

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[meagain]

 Original Message 


After struggling with this same problem for a long time finally I have 
found

an excellent solution:  it is a smal program named "Everything" from
http://www.voidtools.com

Light, free and fast, it the best I have ever seen.

 


NOTE: 'Upgrade' do Windows 10 ?  You guys must be kidding.

Desiree wrote on 30/06/2018 00:47:


It was once possible to download a version of google that would index 
all your files, including content.  Naturally it took a lot of space!

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Rubens via support-seamonkey]

After struggling with this same problem for a long time finally I have found
an excellent solution:  it is a smal program named "Everything" from
http://www.voidtools.com

Light, free and fast, it the best I have ever seen.


NOTE: 'Upgrade' do Windows 10 ?  You guys must be kidding.

Desiree wrote on 30/06/2018 00:47:
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[cyberzen]

DoctorBill a écrit :

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


search function in total commander
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Desiree]

On 6/28/2018 11:53 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill

I second J. Weaver's suggestion to get Agent Ransack which is free to 
home users.  I was turned on to it by (of all things) several Microsoft 
engineers who were telling everyone to forget Windows Search in Vista 
way back not long after Vista was released. This was on a Microsoft 
engineer's blog page where there were many angry comments as Vista 
Search was nothing like the outstanding Windows 2000/XP search.


These engineers promised that Search would again be great in the next OS 
(Windows 7). That, of course, did not happen as with each succeeding OS, 
Search has become worse. With Windows 10 is has become an abomination 
that tattles everything to Microsoft and it can't find anything.


After reading all the small business and home user replies to the 
Microsoft engineer's blog after they began using Agent Ransack, I 
decided to try it. I have never looked back. It is excellent and reminds 
me of search in Windows 2000/XP.  It was one of the first programs I 
installed on Windows 10 after I killed that horrible spying Cortana 
(wish I could completely uninstall it)!

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Ray_Net]

Arnie Goetchius wrote on 29-06-18 16:19:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill

Windows 10?


   Windows 7...!


It was a suggestion to update to Win10. ;)




Agree. Win 10 has a very good search function

Not so good as :
SUPER FINDER XP
From: http://fsl.sytes.net/ssearchxt.html

 Super Finder XT  1.6.3.2 (01 May 2011)     With Installer 183845 
downloads     Download now!


setup_SuperFinderXT.exe (49MB)
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[EE]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and 
Crude.


I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Windows 10?


  Windows 7...!



It was a suggestion to update to Win10. ;)




And send info about everything you do to Microsoft.  Right!

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Felix Miata]

DoctorBill composed on 2018-06-28 14:53 (UTC-0700):

> I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.
> 
> I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions.

Search function built into any OFM. The one I use: FC/W
http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[J. Weaver Jr.]

DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.


Agent Ransack aka FileLocator Lite. <https://www.mythicsoft.com/>  -JW

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Arnie Goetchius]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 6/28/18 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
>> WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>>> I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.
>>>>
>>>> I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> DoctorBill
>>>
>>> Windows 10?
>>>
>>   Windows 7...!
>>
> 
> It was a suggestion to update to Win10. ;)
> 
> 
> 
Agree. Win 10 has a very good search function
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[WaltS48]

On 6/28/18 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Windows 10?


  Windows 7...!



It was a suggestion to update to Win10. ;)



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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[DoctorBill]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Everything.
Get it directly from it's true home:
https://www.voidtools.com/




OK.
I've got it.
Thank you all !

DB

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[DoctorBill]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Windows 10?


 Windows 7...!

DB
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[WaltS48]

On 6/28/18 5:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Windows 10?

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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


Everything.
Get it directly from it's true home:
https://www.voidtools.com/


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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[DoctorBill]

Mark B wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


I like Everything:  https://everything.en.softonic.com/.

It's free, very fast, indexes multiple drives, and has many good features.

Mark B.


What's with the $50 cost ?   Is the Free Version "lite" ?
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Re: A good (free) File Search program ?

[Mark B]

DoctorBill wrote:

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill


I like Everything:  https://everything.en.softonic.com/.

It's free, very fast, indexes multiple drives, and has many good features.

Mark B.
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A good (free) File Search program ?

[DoctorBill]

I am fed up with Windows 7 "File Search" !  Garbage !  Klunky and Crude.

I there a good reliable and FREE disk search program available ?

I would appreciate any suggestions.

DoctorBill
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Re: Cannot access google search engine

[IRRITATING SPAMMER]

rogihil...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 14 May 2018 18:51:09 UTC+1, IRRITATING SPAMMER  wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 5/13/18, rogihil...@gmail.com <rogihil...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, 13 May 2018 12:17:38 UTC+1, chicagofan  wrote:

IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:



It appears that your problem is a serious danger to your data and you
need to fix it smartish.
- How did it get past your virus scanner in the first place?
- What router are you using?  Some of them are insecure.
As a temporary measure (you do need to fix this), try using something
like https://duckduckgo.com/ as a search engine. You can either call
it explicitly or change your settings to call it implicitly.



I've been using duckduckgo for several years with no problems. Can't
tell any difference from Google.  Mozilla reference caused the switch.
bj


No difference to this hijacker/virus when starting in safe mode. As soon as
google.com is entered it blocks with Capitcha questions which are never
satisfied. I use Kaspersky antivirus and Malwarebytes and Adwcleaner.
Nothing they found and cleaned has helped so far.


Safe mode doesn't reset your prefs.  Try it with a brand new profile.

Lee



My "research" on the subject indicated the problem could even be a
rootkit.  The fact that resetting the router helped for a few minutes
leads me to suspect that the problem may not even be on the PC.  That is
why I asked what the router was.

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I am using an HG635 super router from TalkTalk which I think is made by Huawei



(sorry, I've been busy)
https://www.cnet.com/news/expert-huawei-routers-are-riddled-with-vulnerabilities/# 
is rather discouraging and - quite honestly - unhelpful.  One would hope 
the company offer firmware updates, you might want to check for them.


https://modemly.com/Huawei-HG635-TalkTalk-router-setup is interesting. 
Ideally you would need a cable connection to update the configuration 
but that is obviously not the case here.  How many neighbours do you 
have, neighbours with wifi range?  Hacker neighbours.


http://resetrouter.info/router/Huawei/HG635-TalkTalk pretty much says 
the same things.  I'd glance at both before acting.


I would *not* Filter MAC Addresses or in particular, Disable Broadcast 
SSID.  I have had MAC address filtering turned on in the past and it is 
just too inconvenient.


Best of luck.

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