RE: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

2021-03-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I know what you are speaking of, but don’t have any good answers.
You could ask Vispero tech support about this if you haven’t done so already. 
They probably think everybody wants the maximum speed.  You can get the effect 
of some pauses by turning on punctuation.
Another possibility is to try using one of the Vocalizer synthesizers that 
Vispero offers for free. They aren’t Eloquence, and some of the 
mispronunciations are weird, but they are pretty natural-sounding. I like the 
Zoe voice for most things, although I used Eloquence for Windows Live Mail 
while that program worked.
Lloyd Rasmussen

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From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:57 PM
To: WindowEyes List
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

Listers,


I still hope that someone can share their experience with JAWS Eloquence.


What I wish to note is that I brought this issue up on the JFW List a 
few months ago, and received no satisfactory suggestions on the issue, 
and the attitude I was faced with was more or less learn to live with 
it, or even those who denied the problem altogether. That is why I chose 
to bring it here, just hoping that a fellow Window-Eyes user might be in 
a position to offer some advice.


Just thought you might appreciate knowing my reasons for choosing to 
post my inquiry here.


Sincerely,


Larry

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RE: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become SuddenlyUnreadable?

2021-02-27 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I don’t know the answer to your question. But over the past few weeks it took 
longer and longer for e-mail messages to begin reading in WLM, with either JAWS 
or Window-Eyes, in Windows 7. By last Monday nothing at all would read and 
nothing could be edited for sending. At that point I decided to try migrating 
my 50,000 plus messages to Windows 10. I’m starting out with Windows 10 mail 
and JAWS, but may end up buying a copy of Outlook, because there are a lot of 
disadvantages to Windows 10 Mail. Windows 10 Mail will read the .eml files that 
WLM creates, but will not import them into mailboxes; they have to be opened 
from file explorer one at a time. 
I hope you’re not experiencing the same WLM problem I did, because I don’t 
think you can download a fresh copy of WLM safely. It hasn’t been supported by 
Microsoft since 2012.
* Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Peter Chin
Subject: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become 
SuddenlyUnreadable?

Hello All,

I wonder if anyone using Windows Live Mail could explain to me why some of my 
e-mail messages can suddenly become unreadable. I get a message reading 
something like this:
“A problem occurred while opening this message.” Then I am on an OK button 
which I must activate in order to get out of this message.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

2020-11-19 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

It's actually called the Windows Enhanced app.



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-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:01 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes
enhanced" app.  Please could you send it to me as an email attachment.
As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to:


donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


Don Roberts


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Re: OT - Firefox

2020-03-06 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I'm not sure that it matters much whether it is 64 or 32-bit. Firefox is up 
to version 73.something now. Important thing is that Window-Eyes latest 
version is not going to work with it. You'll need NVDA or JAWS, whether you 
use the ESR Firefox or not. In my experience, W-E works somewhat with 
Chrome. I never tried it with Edge, especially the latest version of Edge; 
it might possibly work.




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-Original Message- 
From: Martha via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 3:46 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Martha
Subject: OT - Firefox

As far back as 2017, there was a problem with a FF release for screen
reader users. As I recall, it was recommended that screen reader users
rollback to  an ESR version and disallow auto updates.
Fast forward to March 2020. I am now running a Windows 10, 64-bit, OS,
version 1909.
The version of Firefox is 68.5.0 ESR, 64-bit.

A sighted friend was going to update FF for me, but, he was thrown off
by the ESR version. He was also concerned that more current versions of
FF were not 64-bit.

Anybody got any advice on what version of FF I should be running?

Thanks.

Martha

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Re: Command for new folder creation

2020-03-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Windows 10 uses a ribbon in File Explorer. One of the side effects of this 
is that you get some alt-number shortcuts. You can change their definitions, 
but they come with a few. And they are not very consistent among programs, 
and I think not even consistent within parts of some large programs. So I 
tend not to use them.
By default, ctrl-shift-N is the Window-Eyes hotkey for reading a field name. 
So unless you have remapped this key, you might need to press the bypass 
keystroke first. To check your current Window-Eyes hotkey mappings, you can 
use Insert-1.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 4:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Command for new folder creation

OK, so is this a new feature of Win10?


If I understood the initial message right, sitting Windows Explorer, you
should be able to press Alt-2, and get the creation of a new folder. I
tried with my Win7 system, just for the fun of it. Went to Windows
Explorer, hit Alt-2, and a little later Google Chrome opened. I thought
that was strange enough, but decided to explore what would happen if I
pressed Alt-3. Guess what, Google Chrome came up once again. I now
decided to test the alternativ that was mentioned, Ctrl-Shif-N, in my
Windows Explorer. To disappoint any Win7 users, it generated no action
at all.


I know, this was a Win10 question, and hope not to put anyone off track.
Just thought how strange it is, that not only does it seem to be
different from one system to the other, but even might generate
different results from one Operativ System to the next one. Yet another
challenge, when developers are  not too consistent with their hotkeys.
Particularly as menu and ribbon navigation increasingly becomes more of
a job.

David

On 3/1/2020 8:45 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

And while we're at it, I'm running 1903 and both commands work. Go
figure.
I'm not aware of a way to edit these types of commands, but you may be
able to find it with a little help from Google.
Good luck,
Tom


On 2/29/2020 11:28 PM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi Donald,

I never knew about the alt-2 command.  I am currently running version
1903 and this command does work.  The shift-control-n command does
nothing on my computer.  I find this a bit funny that we both are
running 10 but have to use different commmands to do the same task.

Carol
On 2/29/2020 11:59 AM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:

I’m running W E 9.5.4.0 on a Windows 10 desktop; operating system
windows 1809, a recent version.  I realize that 1909 is the latest,
but I am in no hurry to upgrade.

When I first installed the earliest version of Windows 10, the
command to create a new folder was alt 2.  For the past several
months, I can no longer use Alt 2 to create a new folder.  Instead,
shift control N will create a new folder. This is true regardless of
whether I am using Window-eyes or Jaws 18.  I have never knowingly
installed a key remapper on this or any system, so I have no idea
whatsoever as to why I can no longer use alt 2.  Could any lister
explain why this might have happened and also how I can get alt 2
back as the appropriate command for folder creation.

Thanks.

Don Roberts
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Re: A Question Or Two

2020-02-28 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
When you said "8.4" you really meant Windows 8.1, which was the last one 
before Windows 10.
If you meant Window-Eyes 8.4, it is not going to work on Windows 10 at all. 
You should be running Window-Eyes 9.5.4 if possible.
For installing Windows 10, if it is an older version, you can get Narrator 
started with Windows-Enter. For the versions of the last couple of years, 
you can start Narrator with ctrl-Windows-Enter. When I did an install back 
in 2015, the disability answer desk didn't exist. But I put an AM radio near 
the computer to get a sense of whether there was disk activity, the 
processor was waiting for input, etc. This helped a little.

Also, Aira or BeMyEyes might be helpful during the setup process.



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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:29 PM
To: Loy Green via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: A Question Or Two

Thanks. I guess I should take the plunge sooner than later.

On 2/27/2020 10:15 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
I was a long time user of Window Eyes, WE 9.5.4 will somewhat work with 
Win10. But no earlier versions of WE. I got JAWS free when WE was sold. I 
started using JAWS then and kept WE and would use it sometimes.WE actually 
works best on a few sites even now, but not well on others. There is also 
a good free screen reader NVDA. I keep all three screen readers installed 
but mostly use JAWS now. Going from 8.4 to 10 should not be hard to learn. 
Microsoft disability probably would help you or you can down load the 
Windows Upgrade assistant and do it yourself. 
Original Message - From: "Nick Sarames via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Nick Sarames" 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:42 PM
Subject: A Question Or Two


So I'm still procrastinating. I'm currently using the latest Window--eyes 
and the that precedes Windows 10 (maybe it's Windows 8.4?). If I knew for 
certain that WE is reasonably compatible with Windows 10 but my concern 
is that WE won't work at all. I guess my question is, is it more 
difficult to learn Jaws or Windows 10? Should I download Jaws before 
worrying about Windows 10? I really don't do much more than surfing and 
e-mailing, and the occasional ordering of food and miscellaneous 
products. Also, is it possible for the Michrosoft Disabilities desk to 
install Windows 10 using remote assist, and if so, would you recommend 
it?


If you would prefer e-mailing me privately, feel free.

nicksara...@msn.com

Thanks in advance.

Nick Sarames
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Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

2020-02-27 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
More and more programs don't provide data that Window-Eyes's off-screen 
model can use to determine the position of the mouse. W-
E reads their output using techniques that use accessibility provided by the 
program in question, and sometimes this results in the data being spoken, 
and navigable in a special "virtual cursor" or "browse" mode, but the mouse 
pointer will just say "blank." This has become much more frequent for 
Windows 10 programs. JAWS is continuing to grapple with the problem using 
what they call the "touch cursor," and what NVDA calls "object navigation." 
I think that recent versions of Windows Narrator call this mode "scan mode."




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-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:09 PM
To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Hello David,

Thank you so much for your very extensive reply. Yes, I must admit I didn't
give enough details abou my problems. I was in a bit of a hurry as I had
several other things to be done.

First, about the mouse keys. Sometimes when I am on the desktop or in my
user folder, moving the mouse with the mouse keys does not read anything. If
I try to read current icon or line, or if I move the mouse up or down or
left to right or the other way, WE just says "blank". lefgt or right
clicking on what I think should be the icon or folder I moved the mouse to
does have some effect. This can also happen when I am in WLM. Sometimes,
however, the mouse keys move as expected. Trouble is, I don't know when and
why this happens. Restarting WE or restarting the computer does not solve
the problem  when the mouse keys do not work. I only noticed this strange
behaviour a few days ago. I was not messking around with any settings at the
time but had just started my computer. Whether the moue keys areworking or
not, WE may just start parts of the screen I am not interested in.

As for backing up, I don't know how to back up my C drive but I have a copy
of my WE Defult folder and I have all my data files backed up. I am not very
good at writing batch files, especially for Windows, so would be very glad
to have your batch file which you mentioned.

Thanks in advance.


-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:15 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Your mouse keys do not work as expected? Sorry to hear that. Yet, I am
afraid i do not know what exactly you mean. Is it something going on in
all applications, or is it only (at least mainly) happening in some
particular piece of software.? Are you aware when it all started, and if
so, do you have a clue what you did just prior to this behavior taking
place?

Reason I am assking, is that it might point us in the direction of
picking up a solution for you. In case you have made any updates, played
around with some settings, or installed some extra software or apps - it
might be a place to start helping you out. Could you explain, please,
what it is you expect, and what does not work?

It has been a known fact, that the mouse sometimes gets stuck in a
position on the screen. Usually this would mean one of the corners. And
why this happens might have as many answers as there are questions.
Still, whenever something show up in that posistion - like some status
message, for instance - WinEyes will read it out to you. That is because
the screen reader is doing its job, however strange that might sound.
See, the screen reader is such constructed, that it will keep an eye on
your screen, and let you know whenever some info shows up, in places
that you tell is of special interest. Placing your mouse, is one way of
telling the screen reader to watch out for updated info. Now, if your
mouse runs  over and dig itself a new hole, wherever on your screen, the
screen reader will track the mouse, and determine that likely you enjoy
to have it chattering everything that the mouse "sniffs" in its stuck
position. No, I am not trying to be jokie. This is the real fact. The
big issue, and main solution, will be to have the mouse dragged loose
from its stubborn place, and tell it to behave like good tiny mice are
supposed to.

Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess
and play around.

Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could it be
that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the
computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the
case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning
that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the risk
of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if you
had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make sure to
deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features
your computer offers you. Or, simply 

Re: Clicking a balloon

2019-12-27 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I thought it was the same as a tooltip. I read once that the length of time 
that tooltips are displayed can be adjusted somewhere in the Windows 
accessibility settings. Many of them are not visible for long enough to be 
clicked on.




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-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 2:54 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Amanda Lee
Subject: RE: Clicking a balloon

Hi,

Interesting as this isn't the same as a ToolTip where you would use
insert-plus on the number-keypad to focus it and insert-minus on the
number-keypad to click it?

On a similar subject, if anyone knows how to effectively click the objects
in the System-Tray in Windows 10, I'd like to know.  I have an issue with
Office Updates whereby I keep hearing there's an update to click to
run/install, etc.  I have sometimes been able to just mouseclick it but it
doesn't always work.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 11:42 AM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: Clicking a balloon

Hi Lloyd,

However, according to the key describer for the key you mentioned, all that
the hot key does is read it.
I never learned how to actually click a balloon tip.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: December 26, 2019 8:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: Clicking a balloon

According to the key describer function, you should use ctrl-Insert-T.



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-Original Message-
From: Tom via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Clicking a balloon

Can someone refresh my memory, how do I click a balloon?
Windows seven, window-eyes 9.5.4.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: email

2019-11-26 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing from 
JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders menu and do 
what you need to do manually.




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-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made 

Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

2019-09-28 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I think you hold down the ctrl key and then press Space at each file that 
you want to select. I haven't done this, so proceed with caution.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:29 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

Running Win7.


Listers,

I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today.
Anyone has some experience, please let me know.


I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer,
and arrow my way down through the list of files.


It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had
been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow
combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key.


Thing is, the files are spread out  all over the list. I need to delete
say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly

how

do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the
CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash
or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on
the mouse, I only hear

"Slash"

and

"Star"

spoken, and nothing else happens.


It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would
select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and
it still does not work. So what is the clue?


How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of
WinEyes.


To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I
used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the
chance to

MARK

but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question,
and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be
deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked,
did actually receive any marking.


Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation
more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If
so, what's the procedure, please?


Thanks all,


--
David

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Re: Off-topic: Linux

2019-09-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

I think that Vinux isn't supported anymore.
There is a listserv called Blinux on redhat.com, which is oriented somewhat 
toward command-line Linux. Then there is a listserv for the Orca screen 
reader, which supports some of the GUI desktops of Linux.




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-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Off-topic: Linux

Hi David,

It's been several years since I played around with Vinux, which was a 
talking version of Linux.
Over the next few days, I'll see if I can prepare a virtual machine with a 
version from their website, and then I'll report back.


All the best,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of David via Talk

Sent: September 22, 2019 12:43 AM
To: dhoffjr--- via Talk 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Thanks, and sorry for late reply.


I first of all, need to get hold of Linux; whichever version I might go for. 
Someone sent me a link for Vinux, but all I can find on that page, is a lot 
of blah-blah about the project. It says to download it from the FTP, but the 
address on the page is


ftp://ftp.vinux.org.uk/

and when I try that one, it keeps asking me for a username and password.
These are told to be

vinuxftp

both, but that does not work. Any other attempts I have made to get hold of 
that Vinux thing, simply just has failed.



Do you happen to know, if that project still is going? On the
Vinux.org.uk, the latest I can seem to find, is some notes from a couple
of years back. So just wonder if it all has discontinued.


Anyway, what else can I do. You mentioned a few versions, and to a
newbie, it simply makes little difference. Sorry. Which version would
you suggest I start with, and where to get it?


My appologies for silly questions, but I am quite blank on the Linux
field, so forebare with me please.


Thanks again,


David

On 7/10/2019 7:20 PM, dhoffjr--- via Talk wrote:

I have been using Linux for about 10 years. Started out with a distro
called Vinux based on Debian and later on Ubuntu, and now using mainly
Debian in the console text mode with speech.  There is a new release of
a distro called Slint from Slackware which I am currently also looking
at.  Unfortunately, Linux does not have the equivalent of the WE screen
reader, and not all applications are accessible with the screen reader
that comes with Linux.

I am also using WE with Windows 7 which I cannot get away from do to
business software I use.

I check my email every morning and would be happy if you want to contact
me directly for any questions.



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Re: OT - Question For Ham Operators

2019-09-02 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
There are more than 300 people on the blind-hams listserv on groups.io. This 
list goes back to the mid-90's, when it was on stjohns.edu, then on 
icors.org. The moderator, K8SP, has to approve the first message you post to 
the list; after that you can post without being moderated. We discuss all 
sorts of things: VHF, HF, contesting, learning CW, digital mobile radio, 
nostalgia, etc.

To subscribe, go to
blind-hams+subscr...@groups.io
And I use Window-Eyes to do a lot of contest logging.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: OT - Question For Ham Operators

Any hams using remotehams program?

Is there an email list for blind hams?

   Since this is not a Window-eyes question, please answer off list to
r...@ringwald.com


Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com
Go Dodgers!

Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have 
preferred.



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WinEyes Error Reports on Startup

2019-07-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Using Windows 7 64-bit on an old laptop. I reported a few days ago that WE 
9.5.4 was giving error messages, asking to send error reports to AI Squared. 
This happened frequently, but not every time, for a few days. For the last 3 
or so days it has stopped happening. I imagine this had to do with an update 
to either Windows 7 or to Microsoft Security Essentials. I try to run 
updates frequently, including the "quality rollup" ones that are optional 
but probably become essential at the next Patch Tuesday.

So this is just another one of life's mysteries.
I don't think my Windows 10 computer, which I don't use as much, is up to 
2019-3 yet, so can't tell you anything yet about the storage problem. But 
that machine has a hard drive instead of an SSD, so it has plenty of room to 
store files.


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Re: Error Reporting

2019-07-17 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I haven't seen a "save error" button. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it 
is lurking somewhere in my temporary files.
This error message is not from a script, at least not reported as such. I 
have had plenty of those over the yeras, especially from the Duxbury script. 
But this error doesn't happen all the time, either. This morning I booted up 
and did not see this one when I began to look around.





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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:58 AM
To: Tom via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Error Reporting

Isn't there a save error button as well? This will save it to a file and
is particularly helpful if the error is in a script. It should show
exactly what the problem is. Otherwise, if the problem is with
Window-Eyes itself, the report will be more cryptic. Still, it should
show what the problem is.

Hth,
Tom


On 7/16/2019 5:21 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:

Using Windows 7 64 bit and Window-Eyes 9.5.4.
I have Window-Eyes set to load after login.
For the past few days after Window-Eyes loads I get the error
reporting message. I've been deleting it and Window-Eyes
seems to run normally, but what might be causing the error
reporting message to come up?

Thank you,

Tom

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Re: Error Reporting

2019-07-16 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Same here with the same OS. I'll guess it is related to the Windows updates 
that were pushed out last week, but I have no idea what it is.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tom via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Error Reporting

Using Windows 7 64 bit and Window-Eyes 9.5.4.
I have Window-Eyes set to load after login.
For the past few days after Window-Eyes loads I get the error
reporting message. I've been deleting it and Window-Eyes
seems to run normally, but what might be causing the error
reporting message to come up?

Thank you,

Tom

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Re: updated firefox question

2019-03-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
With Window-Eyes you need to use IE 11 or Chrome. Firefox is off the table 
for Window-Eyes 9.5.4, and probably will remain so.




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-Original Message- 
From: mack via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:18 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mack
Subject: updated firefox question

using win 7 64 bit.  i downloaded a portable copy of most recent
firefox, did not want to get rid of my 52.e s r version in program
files. however, w/e always causes firefox to crash. has anyone found a
work around? i have NVDA and jaws, if there is no work around. .

--
from Mack

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Re: computer magazines

2019-02-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

NFB Newsline has PC World and some others. And NLS does PC World in braille.



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-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:26 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: computer magazines

Hello, NLS used to record Smart Computing Magazine, but stopped in 2013.
Does anyone know where similar magazines about computing are available
in audio format? Thanks for any help.

Butch

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Re: Weather or not issue

2019-02-03 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
If you are using Windows 10, you can use NVDA with the new OneCore voices 
from Microsoft. Not quite as responsive as ESpeak, but the David desktop or 
mobile voice is not bad, in my opinion.




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-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:39 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

Sure looks like I might be quickly approaching that point. I still need
to purchase a license for Eloquence, then I might really begin to tackle
it. Right now, I am able to read my Bookshare books quite well with IE
and WE to my satisfaction, so guess not in the biggest hurry, but I'm
beginning to feel the heat .

On 2/3/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called 
Weather Plus.


Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
To: Loy Green via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
this is only the beginning .

On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have previously 
entered still work.

- Original Message -
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Larry Higgins
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: Weather or not issue


OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution 
for

my problem, but here goes anyway.


Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my 
list
of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering 
the
city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying 
something
along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that 
nature.
It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the 
same

error message.


Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


Hopefully,


Larry

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Re: Weather or not issue

2019-02-02 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
My Weatherornot files are from May 6 of 2016. Or are you talking about the 
GWToolkit?




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-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 2:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Amanda Lee
Subject: RE: Weather or not issue

I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes.  Weather Or 
Not does require GW Toolkit.  I notice in the About info, that it says it's 
from 2008.  I wonder if this is the correct version?  If not,then hope I can 
find the appropriate one somewhere.  I really miss this App too!


Kind regards,

Amanda Lee


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On Behalf 
Of Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Weather or not issue

OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my 
problem, but here goes anyway.



Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list
of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the
city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something
along the lines of "can't  fine the city," or something of that nature.
It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same
error message.


Is this a permanent issue,  or might there be a solution.


Hopefully,


Larry

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Re: Mail Client

2018-12-20 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. I'm not 
sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps that GW 
developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. You may want to 
work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no experience with that 
combination.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Mail Client

Listers,

Could need a bit of info here.


As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the
accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any
message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with
WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the
end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to
my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only
screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am
relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither
NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes.


Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when
Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What
alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned
Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running
Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I decide
to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? And
will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my
screen reader?


Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea as to
the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along with a
given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great,
could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen reader i
happen to have up running at any time.


Oh, and two more questions:

Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, Annual
payment, or Lifetime priced?


Thanks alot, all of you.


--
David

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Re: Question About WLM

2018-11-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the 
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes 
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child 
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.

Hope this helps.
73,


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-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Continuing Problems with WE and N1MM

2018-11-12 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I need to go back and do some more experiments. I think I am seeing this 
issue in my Windows 10 N1MM Plus setup also. This program does not maximize 
its windows; it's expected that you will want to have several windows open.
If you get to this before I do, I would investigate the dimensions  and 
top-left-corner location of the entry window, as shown in the N1MM.ini file. 
Was your sighted friend able to see the DUPE! alert messages, heading to the 
station being worked, current score, etc. but Window-Eyes was not seeing 
them? We may want to see what NVDA and JAWS report under these conditions. 
In the case of JAWS, reading inside a window with the JAWS cursor, the 
insert-R command sets 6 different-size window restrictions within which the 
JAWS cursor can read.
If you use JAWS with N1MM+, it says "l" whenever you start a new QSO. This 
is not actually a lower-case print l, but a Wingdings font character of some 
kind that pops up. Fortunately Window-Eyes doesn't notice that character. 
NVDA says a few useless words as you navigate among fields. So it would be 
good to see if we can fix N1MM+ with Window-Eyes or do a little frame 
management or scripting with JAWS.

73,


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-Original Message- 
From: rgarrett5--- via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 1:38 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: rgarre...@comcast.net
Subject: Continuing Problems with WE and N1MM

Greetings,

Today, I had sighted assistance with N1MM, my ham radio contesting program.
I was able to close the windows I had open but still, I'm only able to read
about two lines by using the num pad.  In windows 7, everything was visible,
including the "dupe" in red that means that I made a duplicate contact with
this station.  That is what I need the most and it just won't read.

WE is saying the window is normal.  I am not able to maximize it and read
the other data.  Any suggestions would be appreciated and yes, I know this
is a very specific problem with a limited use program but, it worked in
windows 7.  It would seem it should work in windows 10.  Bob Garrett

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Re: Loggin Program N1MM

2018-11-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Addition to my previous message.
The Window menu of N1MM+ is Alt-N. When you are in the main entry window, 
some of the entry window's options are on this menu. It's possible that 
something is unchecked which should be checked. The other possible windows 
are also listed there, but you may not necessarily be able to tell whether 
they are opened or closed; I wouldn't advise playing with them without some 
sighted help.
Another useful thing you can do is look at the N1MM.INI file. It will show 
you which windows are being displayed, because a value is equal to 1 instead 
of 0.  You probably know that there are multiple backups of that INI file, 
and if the program was working correctly recently, one of them may show you 
what has changed.





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-Original Message- 
From: rgarrett5--- via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: rgarre...@comcast.net
Subject: Loggin Program N1MM

Greetings,



Does anyone on this list use N1MM for Ham Radio contesting?  I'm using
Windows 10 and for the life of me, I can not maximize the window for this
program.  Any suggestions on what keyboard command to use?  The main issue
is I need to be able to know if a station I am working is a duplication.
After many hours of operating and hundred of calls, duplications happen so,
it is best to be able to avoid them.  Perhaps not a WE issue but a windows
10 matter.  The old command of Alt, space and X does nothing.  Thanks, Bob
Garrett

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Re: using window eyes with focus 14 braille display to perform system shortcuts such as alt+f

2018-10-27 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I think that you can do particular combinations, but I don't think you can 
do a keystroke followed by another one. You can use Insert-1 or its braille 
equivalent to find out what has been defined. You may find some patterns 
that you can use or modify.




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-Original Message- 
From: Drew Clark via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: using window eyes with focus 14 braille display to perform system 
shortcuts such as alt+f


hi,
i am using window eyes latest, last year version before it shut down,
with focus 14 braille display. i am not the newest focus so it works
with window eyes, but when i look at the braille options under hotkeys
i think, it listed all hotkeys for this model of braille display such
as down arrow, up arrow, tab, shift tab and so on. i cannot find the
key command for me to press lets say alt+f on the braille keyboard.
not just alt f, i mean, is there any way for me to set the hotkey or
something for system keys such as applications, ctrl, alt, windows
key, shift and so on?
i mean i can  combine those keys to perfrom various keystrokes such as
if i want to press ctrl plus g on one application called goldwave to
bring up the go to time i think, so i can press the ctrl emmulator key
on my braille display, maybe dot 1 plus space bar or something, then
press g.
in other words, layer keystrokes in braille display. is it possible?
thakns
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Re: strange message popping up

2018-09-03 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
In NVDA and JAWS, Insert-B reads the currently-focused dialog, not the whole 
screen. Analogous to ctrl-alt-W in Window-Eyes.
I have all 3 programs here, but am using Window-Eyes mostly on this computer 
because it's running Windows 7 and it does what I want, especially with 
Windows Live Mail. JAWS supports WLM, but it doesn't have the nifty feature 
that will hunt for the mail folder you want when you begin to type its name 
in the proper place.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 4:09 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: strange message popping up

Won't know what this message is all about, so can't help you directly.


Still, I wanted to let you know, that I find NVDA generally is good at
picking up dialogs. So, if possible, whenever the dialog comes up, try
loading NVDA, and switch to the dialog. See if it will read the screen
to you.


Going by memory, I wonder if Insert-B, would read the whole screen to
you. Again by memory, I think that works in both NVDA and Jaws.


Hope you get the meaning of the dialog, and can take care of your issue.


On 9/3/2018 3:22 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, I keep getting a message that wants to update something on my
laptop. The message pops up and gives me these choices, "Let's get back
on track. Restart now. Wait an hour."
If anything else is in the dialog, Jaws won't read it, so I have no idea
where this message is coming from. Does anyone know if this is a windows
10 update, or what? Any help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: JAWS Mobile?

2018-08-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

This is a feature that has  een requested, but I don't think it's available.



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-Original Message- 
From: Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS)
Subject: JAWS Mobile?

Does JAWS have the option of creating a mobile version on a flash drive?  I 
have tried looking, but cannot find anything that says if it does or not.


David Ayers
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Re: book share books on NLS cartridge

2018-07-05 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
For the NLS player, there needs to be audio for the title. Bookshare doesn't 
produce that file. Also, if you go to a particular chapgter and press the 
Info key, or when you restart a book after power-off, the title of the 
current chapter is not read for the same reason.




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-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 6:25 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: book share books on NLS cartridge

Hello, when I download a book share book in daisy audio format and copy
it to a cartridge to play with the NLS advanced player, the book plays
fine. However, when I put the NLS player into book shelf mode and
navigate from book to book, the book share book titles are not read. Has
anyone else had this happen? If so, is there something I can do
differently to get the player to read the titles? Any help is
appreciated.

Butch

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Re: JAWS question

2018-05-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key is 
the Insert key.

A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their 
action.

Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in Window-Eyes.
Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the 
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about 
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the 
current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start 
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will be 
productive.




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-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


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> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
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Re: What's Doug up to?

2018-05-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Yes. I finally found that out.



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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:03 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What's Doug up to?

Lloyd,
For some strange reason when I activated the link it opened the page
with Doug's talk long enough for me to hear the title, then, as I've
never before seen, it jumped immediately to the next auto-play video. So
I hit Alt-Left arrow to go back and there was Doug.
Hth,
Tom


On 5/13/2018 10:47 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft 
demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough or 
did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?





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-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: What's Doug up to?

Hi everyone,

I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for 
software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:


http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

Enjoy,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: What's Doug up to?

2018-05-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft 
demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough or 
did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?





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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
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Subject: What's Doug up to?

Hi everyone,

I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for 
software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:


http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

Enjoy,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

2018-05-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
You may not have to. But you may need to run Narrator a few times during the 
upgrade process, if you don't have sighted help




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-Original Message- 
From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
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Subject: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

At work the computers are being updaed from windows 7 to windows 10 with the 
windows 10 image, have no idea which windows 10 build they are going to use. 
I have on my machine windoweyes 9.5.4 will I have to reinstall windoweyes on 
the machine again?

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Re: append to clipboard

2018-04-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I don't think there is a clipboard append keystroke built into Window-Eyes. 
If there is, it is probably supplied by an app.




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-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:28 PM
To: window-eyes
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: append to clipboard

Please tell me the command to append to clipboard in Window-eyes 9.5.4.0. 
Append, not copy.


Thanks.

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

2018-02-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I like Zoie, myself, but my wife hates her voice. Siome of her 
pronunciations are pretty wacky, but you can say that about any synthesizer. 
The difference is that you get used to a particular kind of wackiness.




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-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:05 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The voices are free.
Press insert j then go to the help menu.
Arrow down until you hear, "More voices."
Press enter.
You want the premium voices Tom or Nathan are very good.
If I can help further, you can call me at 702-568-5774.

Pastor Gil

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On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear what
those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.

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You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

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On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: question about window-eyes

2018-02-19 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sometimes various programs temporarily grab the focus while they are 
updating, then relinquish it and redraw the part of the screen where you 
have been working. Also, this verbiage could be related to where the mouse 
pointer is located on the screen. In addition to all that, sometimes I hear 
something that I placed on the clipboard a considerable time earlier, and it 
is not related to what I am doing at the moment.




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-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:10 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: question about window-eyes

I am using the latest version of window-eyes, windows 10, and text cloner 
pro for the OCR program.  Window-eyes talks to itself whenever I’m away from 
the computer.  It might speak the date, time, or it will grab the subject 
line from other e-mails.  At times it will stop speaking in the middle of an 
e-mail and it is necessary to start over again.  I use wifi which is in the 
apartment building.  Any ideas as to what’s going on?  Thanks.


Norene

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Re: Help with Jaws, please!

2018-02-18 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
How old is your version of Word? In my experience, JAWS support for Word 
tapers off for anything earlier than Office 2010.




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-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:05 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Paulette Vickery
Subject: RE: Help with Jaws, please!

Thanks so much for your rapid response. So far, you are the only one who has
graciously answered some of my questions. I found out that the reason I
couldn't read documents was that when I tabbed through the choices, I had to
stop on something about, shell, then arrow down through the list. Why on
earth I had to hear shell in order to do this, I have no idea. Also, I still
can't stop Jaws from going into 40 minute mode. It is quite frustrating.
Also, I found that I am unable to search a document for a word. I tried
searching for the word, mode, and I was able to do it once by using control
f, but after using it one time, when I tried to search using the exact same
key strokes again, it wouldn't search. Someone please help. Thanks.

Paulette

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Help with Jaws, please!

Paulette, when it comes to Word and Jaws, you should be using the standard
Windows command you already know.  Example, Ctrl-O brings up the Open
dialogue and you can type in the name of whichever file you wish to open.
First letter navigation should also be possible once the Open dialogue is
invoked.  In essence, you do not need a specialised Jaws keystroke to find
stuff in Word.  Oh well, I don't use whatever keystrokes Window-Eyes
scripted for Word; I just use what Windows has to offer me and it works like
a charm.

Also, you can press the Windows key to launch the Search Edit Box.  Here,
type "documents" without the quotes of course.  Once Documents has focus,
press  and you can use FIRST LETTER navigation to find your file.
once you find the file you wish to open, press  and, if it's a Word
file, the file will open in Word.

To read E-mail, launch your mail reader--Outlook, or whatever E-mail client
you use.  Press  on the message you wish to read.  Sometimes, reading
may not begin from the top.  In that instance, press ctrl-home to get to the
top, then use Insert-Down Arrow to read your mail.

You can customize how you want stuff done when in the mail reader.  Press
Insert-V, go through the various list of customisations  and select the ones
that meet your needs.  Be patient as you customise the look and feel for
mail reading purposes.  Remember to save your settings when done!

When you talk about control panel analogous to that of Window-Eyes, what
exactly are you trying to accomplish in Jaws?  Jaws's approach is quite
different from that of GW Micro's Window-Eyes!  Example:  Insert-J will put
you in the Jaws Context Menu and you can perform some customisations here
using your up and down arrow keys to go through the list of what's possible
and following the prompts.

I can't fathom why Jaws would keep running in 40-minute mode when you have
already entered an authorization code.  For that one, consider giving V F O
or whatever name it goes by a call.

Hmm, I'm not sure I'll consider joining the Jaws mailing list.  For one
thing, their moderators are not as tolerant as this list is.  I'd say ask
your questions here and I believe that the brilliant minds here will step up
to the plate.  I don't recall the Jaws users mailing list subscription info,
I do know, however, that the list is on groups.io.  If you type Jaws Users
Mailing List into Google to perform a search, quite a few of them should
come up fast and furious.

I trust the foregoing helps some; others will no doubt chip in and before I
wake up from my not-so-dreamy sleep, you will be a Jaws guru and whiz!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: question about docs.

2018-02-06 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
As far as I know, Wordpad can edit/read D O C X files and RTF files, but not 
.d o c.

You may want to look into Jart (or however it is spelled.)




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-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about docs.

Hi Michael.

If you have Wordpad on your system, you should be able to open docs with
it.  I think you will be somewhat limited with formatting, bt it will
read the text.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 5:01 AM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
Hi ghys i know that the free app called microsoft word viewer is not 
around now.


So i was after a basic free app to read microsoft word docs.

can anyone  tell me one.

Cheers michael.

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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

2018-02-03 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Keyboard is the root of a tree view that has 5 items. The third of these is 
Special. Once you are on the Special branch, start tabbing and you should 
find "cursor movement." Down arrow once to turn Cursor Movement off, then 
press Enter to save your settings.




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-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 3:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

I DON'T SEE SPECIAL KEYS UNDER KEYBOARD.

-bOB


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Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

its in keyboard/special keys

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
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Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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Re: hotkey for word 2007

2018-01-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I think that in Word 2007 you can use ctrl-right or left arrow to move 
between groups. When you are on the main (top level) of the ribbon, right 
and left arrows move between major tabs.




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-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

Hi Alison,

Yes, I've confirmed that what you say is true in Word in Office 365, but not 
in Word 2010.

That was a convenient feature they added.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
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Of CJ MAY via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 5:02 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

I am using MS Word 365 (is it?) and control tab does move through the groups
in a ribbon for me. So, firt press tab and then try control plus tab.

Alison


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Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 22 January 2018 00:20
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: hotkey for word 2007

Hi Butch,

I always thought it was Ctrl-tab to move among the groups within a tab.
I have 2010 here, I tried it, but it doesn't do exactly that.
What it does do is move between the current item and the help search field
and back again.
Perhaps it does what you want in 2007.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Of BK via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:35 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: hotkey for word 2007

Hello, In word 2007, I know that tab and shift tab will move from item to
item within a group on the ribbon, but I forgot the hotkey that will move
you from group to group, instead of having to tab through all the items in
one group to reach another group. If anyone knows the hotkey to move group
to group, please let me know. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

2018-01-15 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sometimes I have attempted to save a new configuration and it went into 
default.set rather than the SET file I had intended.




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-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 5:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hi Carol,

Yes, we're using the same version of GoldWave.
My arrow keys are as silent as the tomb.
Just to be clear, it is with Window-Eyes that you are getting this 
verbosity?
Also, if you are in the window where you can play and scroll around your 
file, and you open the WE control panel, what is the associated set file?
As I mentioned, default.set is mine, and, if another is associated, this may 
be your problem.

If so, try associating default.set.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 15, 2018 1:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hi Rod,

I am using 6.31, or that is what the download version calls itself.  The tag 
on the desktop says it is version 6.1.0.0.  It is the latest version, I 
think from around July or something like that.


Do your arrow keys say anything when you press them?  Mine did not before 
installing this version.


Carol


On 1/15/2018 1:11 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm using the current version of GoldWave, which is 6.31, and I'm 
wondering if this is one of the issues from earlier versions which the 
developer addressed.


Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 12:58 PM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hello,

I can not get the arrow keys to stop speaking in Goldwave.  I am running 
(as far as I know) the latest version of Win 10 and the latest Goldwave. 
I also have Rod's Goldwave enhanced app.


Whenever I press an arrow key (any key, it doesn't matter which one) WE 
speaks several lines of text from the information on the mouse screen.
It acts similar to tabbing to a dialog box that reads everything when it 
is tabbed to.  As the arrow keys are for moving through audio, it makes it 
difficult to listen to what I am trying to find.  I have never encountered 
a problem like this before.  Are there any ideas floating around that I 
might try?  I tried disabling cursor speech, but that didn't change 
anything. Thanks for any recommendations.


Carol


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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

2018-01-11 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Microsoft has stated that upgrades to Windows 10 are automatic and are free. 
That's the upside and the downside of Windows 10. (Downside is that you 
sometimes get upgrades at times that you don't expect). You do need to keep 
upgrading JAWS, if you use that, or should be donating to NVDA, which has 
quarterly upgrades. Or you may need to learn how to use Narrator, which has 
come a very long way in recent years.



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-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:14 AM
To: cur...@calweb.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates
automatically installed?  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Win10 issue

2018-01-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I assume that's the book from NLS BARD. It came out in the early days of 
Windows 10. It should be useful, but a number of things have changed since 
it was written. There is a Windows 10 tutorial by a British author that is 
oriented to blind users and would probably answer a lot of your questions, 
too. I don't have the URL here, though.




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-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Win10 issue

Thanks.  I did figure it out.  It only said "d" when I pressed winkey+d,
so I thought it was not allowing me to go to the desktop.  Anyway,
thanks for the help.  I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual.
It is quite a long book, so I will be busy for a long time, grin.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 9:05 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
When you close all programs, or at startup, and land in this window, just 
press Windows+D to go to the desktop.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 7:50 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a lot to 
learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can get some 
basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as switching from 
Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more now than there was for 
that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's something we 
all just have to put up with. (sigh)


Best,

Rod

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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep it 
from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing open, 
grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish it would, of 
course, if it has a function, I don't want to get rid of it, I only want 
to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

2018-01-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
If you can't get the import to work, you can point your new browser to that 
file, since it is written in HTML. That's what I have done with bookmarks I 
saved in the Lynx browser many years ago. If you use this approach, it 
probably doesn't matter which folder contains this file on your Windows 10 
system, as long as you can navigate to the file.




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-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 3:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Thank you Rod, but I spent almost two hours trying to find a way to
import and I never did.  I did not have any difficulty with the
exporting, once I knew where to do it.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 2:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, I was trying to show you the menu you would need to go to in order to 
find out how to import.


Best,

Rod

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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 1, 2018 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import
it to the new PC.  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you need 
to be in to import bookmarks:


Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file 
containing links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice and 
look for the bookmark you need.

Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, choose 
Import and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, and 
then click Save. ...

Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

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Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: USB headphones with microphone

2018-01-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
There are some wireless keyboards and mice that were made after the IRDA 
infrared standard and before the wide adoption of Bluetooth. I think some of 
these early wireless devices operated in the 900 MHz band; Bluetooth and 
much Wi-Fi operate in the 2.4 GHz band.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: USB headphones with microphone

Carol, and the rest.
Perhaps you already will know this, but still, might I be allowed to
clarify one point. Keyboard and mouse, might either be ordinary
wireless, or they might be Bluetooth. Headsets could be strict wireless,
but the ones with microphone will (to all my knowledge) always be
Bluetooth. All of this of course, unless your equipment is all wired.

So what is the difference between pure wireless, and the stuff we name
Bluetooth? I mean, and you understand, that they all do send signals
through the room wirelessly; that is, without the need of a cable for
the signals to be transfered.

The strict, or pure, wireless technology - is the oldest method known on
modern computer devices. It sends its signals by means of Infrared
light; and often is being refered to as IR devices. This means it
completely depends on free and open access for the signals to fly from
your wireless unit - like your keyboard, and to the wireless receiver,
plugged into your computer. Often these receivers would be placed
somehow high in the room, to ensure the free flow of the light signals.
On laptops, you might have a tiny "window" on one side, and to have a
good transmission, you would need your wireless unit to sit on that side
of the laptop. Wireless, infrared signals, typically have a covered
distance of something like 8-10 feet, or between 2.5 and 3 meters. That
is to say, long as the complete distance is close to freed from any
clutter. Place a book, a coffee cup, or even your hand in between the
keyboard and the receiver, and the whole transmission gets blocked.

I have seen keyboard, mouse and some older cellphones - with the
infrared wireless transferring capability.

Wireless products need no pairing, as they simply are working like a
sender and a receiver; taking and giving whatever comes within their
frequency. Due to its many limitations, it is not very much used now
aday, though you might have no trouble in using a wireless keyboard on
modern computers. And wireless mouse and keyboards are still frequently
sold.

What then about Bluetooth? What is it, and in what ways does it differ
from the infrared wireless equipment?

First of all, why it has got its name, I have no clue. So simply just
accept the fact that they decided to name it Bluetooth, in some cases
abbreviated BT.

Bluetooth, in reality, is a low-range, short-reaching radio. You have a
sender, usually sitting in your headset, keyboard or whatever is
considered the Signal Giver. And you have a receiver, typically sitting
inside your cellphone, your computer or in a USB dongle much like a tiny
USB Pen Drive. This Sender/Receiver combo, together forms a closed radio
circle. Signals can flow between them, both forward and backward. Since
the signals are all radio waves, you are no longer restricted to having
open and freed space between the units. Your bluetooth headset might
even work in the next room, with the doors closed. You could sit in any
angle from your computer, and still experience your Bluetooth equipment
communicating perfectly with the PC. And best of all, it has a trippled
distance range, of upto 30 feet, or 10 meters. Some do advertise their
Bluetooth equipment with even higher range, but I would be careful in
relying too much over this limit. Bluetooth signals even can pass
between floors, so easily can be used between up- and downstairs in your
house. In reality, if you have a headset with bluetooth capabilities,
and you want to dictate something while you are doing your laundry
downstairs, you can do so just fine. That is, you of course have to get
your computer turned on and all that stuff. Smiles.

Bluetooth needs a one-to-one pairing. That means, you have to make the
computer and headset know of each other, and tell them to only connect
to that one unit. In reality, most Bluetooth communication hence only
will work between your computer, and one external equipment. Modern
Bluetooth connections are sometimes capable of running more than one
paired communication, meaning you could use both your Bluetooth
Keyboard, and Bluetooth headset at the same time - a combination that
often might prove helpful on modern mobile devices.

Due to the pairing requirement of the technology, noone outside your
closed communication circle will basically be able to "see" the signals.
That means, once you have paired your computer and the headset, all
communication will take place between those two units, no matter if your
spouse is using a Bluetooth 

Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

2017-12-10 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
You might want to check with them. Disks for Judy and me came a couple of 
weeks ago.




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-Original Message- 
From: Richard Jarvis via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Richard Jarvis
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

I have been out of the loop for a little while.  Do we need to call FS
to get jaws 2018 disk mailed to us if we have a sma on file with them?
Thanks for any help
Rick

On 11/22/2017 9:16 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually
install it on my windows 10 machines.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 11/22/2017 3:19 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the
front. Is this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C

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Re: Is there a blind hams email list any more?

2017-12-09 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
The list that was on Porkcast.net has migrated to Groups.io. And some people 
are still using the icors.org listserv, which continues to run on autopilot.

Try sending a message to
blind-hams+subscr...@groups.io
If that doesn't do it, let me know. I do know that your first message to the 
list doesn't go through until the moderator approves it. Subsequent messages 
go through in the normal manner.

73,
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-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 9:19 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Is there a blind hams email list any more?

Tried sending this question to:

blind-h...@lists.porkcast.net

and it bounced.

Looking for a 10 minute timer for ham radio. Any ideas?


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Re: jaws for beginners

2017-12-06 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
It works very differently, but try ctrl-2 to open the calendar. Move the 
cursor horizontally to select days and vertically to select times. When you 
are done, ctrl-1 gets you back into your e-mail. I don't know a lot more 
than that at present.




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-Original Message- 
From: CJ MAY via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 3:50 AM
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: jaws for beginners

In Window-eyes there was the insert c command to use the Outlook calendar;
is there something equivalent in Jaws?
Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chrisalismay=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: 04 December 2017 23:31
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Rebecca Lineberger 
Subject: RE: jaws for beginners

Alison, the read to end command, or say all, is insert-down arrow.  This can
be either the down arrow of the T-arrow keys or the 2 on your numpad.
The read current line is the insert key and the up arrow, again, either the
up arrow of the T arrow keys or the 8 on your numpad.
Here's the link to the premium voices
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Synthesizers
You should have been able to set verbosity level in the startup wizard, if I
remember correctly But you can get it in several other ways.
Press insert-v to bring up the  quick settings menu.  Arrow down to User
verbosity Or type Verbosity in the search edit box.  The default is
beginner.  Press the spacebar to cycle through the choices.
If you press tab, JAWS will say:
This option controls the Verbosity, or amount of information, spoken by
JAWS.
The level settings are Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced.
To customize what JAWS speaks for each level, see the Verbosity Options
dialog in Settings Center. The default setting is Beginner.
Tab to ok and press enter.
There are other things in that list, such as punctuation you can change too.
Check out the training materials in the JAWS help menu.
HTH.
Rebecca
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[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Alison May via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Alison May
Subject: Re: jaws for beginners

Having planned to remain a window-eyes user for the the foreseeable future,
I am ill-prepared for the unexpected demise of my trusty computer and I have
made the sad and reluctant decision to load jaws on my new computer. Could
someone help me get started by telling me how to reduce its verbosity and
where I can find alternative voices - any recommendations?  What is the read
to end command please?  Enough for starters!

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
JAWS also has Alt-Shift-L, which acts somewhat like the Window-Eyes 
Alt-semicolon hotkey does.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:12 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it
for a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to
jump to the next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.
Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
Hth,
Tom


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All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell checking 
a Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window Eyes 
feature allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and 
apostrophe.   I really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell 
checking dialog efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, 
can you guide me as to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.




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Re: google home and chrom cast

2017-11-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
One thing I can say: you don't turn a modern TV set on or off from its AC 
plug. They are powered up, in a low-power state, all the time. There are, 
however, many TV sets that interact with the internet in various ways, 
including some of them that run Android and its TalkBack screen reader for 
access to menus, program guides, etc.

Good luck in your research.



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-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Don Smith
Subject: google home and chrom cast

Hi:

Isome friends are still here on the list,maybe some one could help



I have been to best buy regarding google home and chrome cast and each time
I go I get a different answer.

So, if some one here has one, mmaybe some help



If I have  chrome cast and google home installedproperley

If I buy a smart plug for the ac outlet, can I just speak to google and say
turn tv on

As above and chrome cast connected to the computer, can I ask google to turn
to a tv tvstation (cable)

If I have the spotafy app, can I request a song to be played through the
google home

If I have a movie app and or a utube app, can I ask google for a movie or a
utube by name

I have been told google home includes chrome cast and I have also been told
I need to purchase chrome cast

Other then turning on and off home door locks, lights and soon, is there
anything else I could do as a total blind chap, and very old, (smile)

Sometimes when you go in a store, even you tell them your are blind, they
seem to think this guy can really ssee.



I do have yifi

Sorry for the ramble, but, I think only one who is blind can help and I
appreciate all who help



Don



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Re: Recommendation on preserving & navigating tables in a PDF

2017-11-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Window-Eyes 9.5.4 didn't change the table reading commands for PDF to the 
same ones used for HTML. So you first have to turn table mode on, and then 
use insert-arrow combinations to navigate the table. You probably have your 
best shot at PDF table accuracy if they can produce a tagged PDF, but if 
they go to all that work they might as well do HTML, I think. If they don't 
tag the PDF, sometimes things will look like a table but not be interpreted 
as such by screen readers. Also, how tables are displayed in PDF can depend 
on whether you have Adobe Reader set to page-at-a-time or full document 
mode.




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-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Samco via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Jeff Samco
Subject: Recommendation on preserving & navigating tables in a PDF

I need some advice. I was contacted by our local small town bus
transit manager to help them improve accessibility on their website
when using a screen reader. For various reasons they need to give a
link for screen reader users to go to route tables. I think I
convinced him an html table would best be readable when moving cell
by cell and hearing the column header information. But, he still
wanted to know if there is a way to make a PDF easily navigable with
a screen reader. The sample PDF he gave me would only allow me to
move down using the dedicated down arrow key. Insert + down arrow
would not navigate  as it does in an html table. Is there a way to
make a PDF table function as an html one when navigating?

Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: Firefox query

2017-10-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Are you using the 52.x ESR version of Firefox? Or are you using 32-bit 
Windows instead of 64-bit? Perhaps that's why ctrl-N still works for you.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 5:28 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

What doesn't work any longer?  Control/n still works for me.

On 10/22/2017 4:50 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

it doesn't work anymore

-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Did you try control-shift-a?  Actually, if you've been reading the
threads of the last few days, you're gonna have to open another window
in Firefox, control-n.

On 10/22/2017 2:29 AM, Jesse delMuro via Talk wrote:

Hi guys.


So, trying to utilize Firefox much like IE but in many cases, if not
all, the webpages load but MSAA (or browse mode) isn't on
automatically.  Never seen _that before, so how to get it too work or
turn it on using Mozilla Firefox?  Any help much appreciated.

Jesse


On 10/21/2017 9:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can
only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: Firefox query

2017-10-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
After Firefox 56.01 came out, even the ctrl-N workaround doesn't work 
because we have been switched over to the 64-bit version of Firefox. Browse 
mode becomes unavailable at that point. If you are going to continue to use 
Window-Eyes, you must use browsers other than Firefox.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 4:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Did you try control-shift-a?  Actually, if you've been reading the
threads of the last few days, you're gonna have to open another window
in Firefox, control-n.

On 10/22/2017 2:29 AM, Jesse delMuro via Talk wrote:

Hi guys.


So, trying to utilize Firefox much like IE but in many cases, if not
all, the webpages load but MSAA (or browse mode) isn't on
automatically.  Never seen _that before, so how to get it too work or
turn it on using Mozilla Firefox?  Any help much appreciated.

Jesse


On 10/21/2017 9:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can
only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

2017-10-09 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Yes, I did try ctrl-N to open a new window. And now I have a hint as to the 
problem.
I restarted with JAWS 18 and went to the release notes for version 56.0.1. 
It was released today. One of the changes, right up front, is that if a 
32-bit version was running under 64-bit Windows 7, they switch you to the 
64-bit version of Firefox.
I think another nail has been hammered into the Window-Eyes coffin. Having 
said that, there are still plenty of things you can do with Window-Eyes.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:32 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Did you try the work-around (control-n)?

On 10/9/2017 1:29 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

Maybe that's what happened, but I'm not sure of that.
A new 56.01 update was available when I checked this morning. I am going
to reboot and try again, but my first finding with this new minor update
is that browse mode is no longer available anywhere in Firefox. You can
still read the menus and can tab to items, but are not even offered the
possibility of opening browse mode with Window-Eyes. The plot thickens!



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-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Hi David,

I can certainly confirm that your workaround, namely, to open another
tab, wherein Window-Eyes works as before.
My guess is that, on startup, the set file is not associated with the
browser window, but, rather, with the Firefox application window.
I've run into this problem before, when, all of a sudden, focus got lost
and stuck in the application window, since this is all I heard when I
read the title bar.
This hadn't happened for some time, and we'll see what happens now that
I can begin testing it again.
Thanks so much for your effort in diagnosing this problem, and we'll
report back our experiences.

All the best,

Rod

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Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Seems this is going to be the kind of never-ending story.


This morning, I had to restart my computer for some reason. After
rebooting, all the sudden I do see the same behavior in Firefox, as
reported by others. You can turn off Browse mode, and tab around the
website. You can reach all the menus. But with browse mode turned on,
there is absolutely no luck in having WinEyes read anything to you.


Now, i would not let this throw me off. I have been experimenting quite
a bit here now, and here is at least some kind of a workaround. Wonder
if some of you - who have trouble with Firefox 56 - please could report
back if you see the same behavior.


1. Open Firefox.

2. Open any website of your choice, by typing in the address in the
address bar, and hitting enter, just like you have always done.

3. The site comes up, but you cannot navigate it with WinEyes.

4. Try turn off Browse mode, and now use tab. Do you hear the different
links and controls spoken?


Then the workaround.

1. with all firefox windows closed, open Firefox, and direct it to any
website you might like.

2. Hit Ctrl-N, and a new session of Firefox will open in a separate 
window.


3. In this new window, open any website you desire - even the very same
one you opened in the first window.

3. The website in the new ((or second) window, can be navigated just
like ever before.

4. Go back to the first window you had opened with Firefox, and close it
with F4.

5. From here, keep navigating Firefox as much as you like, in the newest
window. You even can open as many windows and tabs as you want, and
WinEyes seems to work just fine.


The ones of you, who have been able to work with Firefox 56 so far, have
you rebooted your computer after updating to this version? If not, I am
starting to wondering if there could be something going on.


Why I had to reboot my computer this morning, was because I had started
Jaws, and it reported that an update for version 18.04 was available.
After updating, it requested the computer rebooted.


Funny thing is, that yesterday my WinEyes worked perfectly well with
Firefox 56. This morning, updating Jaws and then rebooting the computer,
my WinEyes starts to have trouble with Firefox.


Sure, it all would be coincidents, wouldn't it? And of course, we could
go on asking if anyone who are having no trouble with WinEyes in
Firefox, also do not have Jaws installed, or even have not updated their
Jaws version. i would have been willing to uninstall Jaws,

Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

2017-10-07 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I am puzzled that someone reported that Firefox 56 worked with Win-Eyes 8.4. 
It doesn't work for me with Win-Eyes 9.5.4.
David, Browse mode is available, but you get nothing but dings when you move 
the arrow keys, and no output when you use the Tab or shift-Tab key. You can 
read the menus. You can read anything you can tab to while browse mode is 
turned off. Sometimes Firefox.set doesn't seem to load, but even when it 
does, the situation remains the same.
I'm running Windows 7 64-bit, but the 32-bit version of Firefox is what 
wants to run. I believe I tried disabling add-ons also, with no effect. I 
get most of the same results on a different computer running Windows 10.
And even if we didn't have trouble with Firefox version 56, we are pretty 
much guaranteed to have trouble with FF 57 which comes out next month.
I like Firefox, but if I'm going to continue to use it, it will have to be 
with NVDA, JAWS or Narrator for Windows 10.
Everyone should read the latest blog from Marco Zehe to understand more of 
what is going on:

 
https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 8:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Pure guessing here.


When the Firefox window comes up, are you able to access the menus? If
so, Go to Help, and scroll down to

Start with add-ons disabled,

and press Enter. This should let Firefox start in its own safe-mode;
which btw does have nothing to do with Windows safe-mode. You can read
more here:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode


Alternatively, they say you should be able to do it via the start menu.

   1. Press Win-R, and type:

Firefox -safe-mode

(please notice the dashes).

2. Press Enter, and the Firefox should open in a safe-mode window.

I have not tested either of these aproaches, so take it for what a
search on the net is worth.


I further take it, that you have done the two obvious things:

1. Make sure Browse mode is turned ON, by pressing Ctrl-Shift-A. I am
ready to presume, that you will have a message spoken to you, saying:

Browse Mode Is Not Available.

2. Check that the correct set file is loaded. Press Insert-L, and it
should say

Firefox.set.


To me, it could seem like you have some kind of a message window that
opens when you open Firefox, and which get the thing stucked. if you
press Ctrl-Shift-T, does it tell you a website, or does it say
About:Blank, and then Firefox? Alternatively, does it say something like:

Firefox Message?

If the latter, there is a message on the screen, which you might have
varying luck in reading. You could try hitting the Ctrl-Shift-W twice,
to have WinEyes do its most aggressive reading of the full window.



Even loading NVDA, while you are on the Firefox window, with WinEyes
still running. What does NVDA do? Is it able to navigate anything, or
even read any messages to you, that WinEyes was unable to pick up?


Lastly, do you have two eyes there? Do they see anything on the screen?
Like if you load a website, are they able to read the contents? Somwhere
in the WinEyes control panel - and forgive me for not remembering
exactly where - I do hold there is a setting for turning on a small
window, indicating to a sighted person what exactly you are seeing with
the screen reader. Have never used the feature myself, so not sure how
helpful it would be. But it might be useful enough to determining if the
screen reader has gone for a hike in the cyber mountains, due to some
Firefox food that Eloquence disagrees in. Once you have chased the
reason for your issue, you might want to hold a KitCat up in front of
the screen reader, and see if Eloquence could please get into a better
mood. Smiles.


For now, these are my best guesses. Perhaps your reporting back any
results of the suggestions might help others in guiding you further.
Since seemingly some users are having issues and others not, it seems
something in the newer versions of Firefox might be triggering certain
setups. This could be worth reporting to the Mozilla team, in hope they
might have some logs that could tell what changes in settings and
behavior probably causing the issues. But prior to doing any reporting
to them, it might be worth an attempt in tracing the exact issue.


Of course, many might argue that NVDA and Jaws do not have any issues.
Be as it might. Apparently there must be something that causes WinEyes
to have its hickups, on certain systems. Could we trace the health
issue, we might be able to remedy the WinEyes disease. Smiles.


Just for the fun of it, in Firefox under Help, try pressing Enter on the
item that says:

Health Report.

What do you get there? Should give you some technical information.
Likely nothing important in this case, but just to 

Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

2017-10-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

With Window-Eyes you can use Firefox up through version 55.03, but not 56.0.
NVDA and JAWS should work fine with these newer Firefox versions.
I don't know whether it would be productive to put a bug report into the 
Firefox bug reporting system about Window-Eyes support or not.




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-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

You can tell it not to update. I think if the new versions of Firefox isn't
working with Window-Eyes, it is a clear sign that Window-eyes is failing
with the new updates. I use JAWS and NVDA and both work fine with the new
updates because both of these products are being updated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Butch Bussen; mattc...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I can
tell it not to update?
73
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Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
wrote:


  Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes

out

some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then,
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to

associate

with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items

in

the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the

full

contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an
early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving

up

yet, but passing along my findings.



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-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

2017-09-30 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
   Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release 
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes 
out some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other 
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7 
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes 
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then, 
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to associate 
with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items 
in the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the 
full contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be 
an early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving 
up yet, but passing along my findings.




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-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Raul's 8 JFW Tutorials

2017-09-23 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

I have the audio files saved on a thumb drive.
Raoul will be providing some JAWS transition training for employees at NLS 
this coming week, so I can ask him if he knows where the material went if 
nobody can find it.




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-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:55 PM
To: lWindow-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Mike Pietruk
Subject: Raul's 8 JFW Tutorials

Are these still available -- particularly the transcript versions?
Thought I had them all saved -- but apparently not.
I receive an error msg when attempting to retrieve them from the old BW
website thought the listings still appear there.

Appreciate any help or guidance with this.

Thanks!

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
The "just click" may be a patent. In the US, patents expire in 17 years. But 
anything copyrighted since 1922 is, I think, still copyrighted.




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-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
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Re: PDF question

2017-08-24 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Ctrl-PgDn.



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Subject: PDF question

Please remind me, because I'm driving myself crazy with reading a multi-page 
document in Adobe.   I have Adobe set for single page display.  If I am 
reading a page and want to move to the next page, I can hit alt right arrow 
or the page down and I can tell it's visually changing on the screen, but 
Window Eyes 9.4 is not advancing where speech focus is located.  What is the 
trick?





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Re: Outlook 2007 Question

2017-08-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Au contrair!
On my wife's computer, (Windows 7) JAWS 18 crashes everything if she does a 
spell-check in Word 2007 or Outlook 2007. V F O recommends we get newer 
software because a support person told me that they don't test for 
compatibility with software which is that old.
We had JAWS 17, which we bought at the NFB convention a year ago. 
Spell-check works properly in Word 2007, and works once or twice per session 
in Outlook 2007. Of course, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 has SET files specifically for 
these programs, and spell-check works. Not as interested in whether it 
reports the read status of the messages.


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-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Outlook 2007 Question

Hi Pastor,

Well, here we have the evidence for using Jaws over Window-Eyes, at least if 
you prefer to use older software. (smile)


Best,

Rod

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Sent: August 13, 2017 11:24 AM
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Subject: Outlook 2007 Question

I went back to Jaws since it does say unread attachments etc.



Pastor Gil

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Re: OT about strange message to upgrade

2017-08-05 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
This is probably from Microsoft, in preparation for the Windows 10 Creators 
Update that was released in April.




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Re: Good Bye

2017-07-25 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I have found that sometimes, if WE creates those error tones, that I can get 
back in business by restarting it with ctrl-Alt-W. One place where I need 
this video functionality is Sound Forge Audio Studio 10, which I run under 
Windows 10 with Window-Eyes 9.5.4. I haven't really tried it with JAWS 18 
yet.




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-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Does Jaws have . . . .

2017-07-18 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I think all these functions and more are in JAWS. In particular, there are a 
huge number of settings pertaining to web browser operation.
One way to get started is to press insert-H within a given program such as 
Word or a browser, and start reading. In many cases, these help windows act 
like web pages, with hyperlinks on the individual items.
On the web, the Insert-Tab items are broken out onto insert-function keys 
for different types of items. You can also use insert-1 to go into keyboard 
learn mode, where in a given program the hotkeys you press will briefly 
describe their functions, just like in Window-Eyes.

The closest thing to "read status line" or ctrl-insert-S is insert-PgDn.
Read current line is insert-up-arrow.
Read to end is insert-down-arrow.
There is a lot to learn in JAWS, and your muscles have to be retrained in 
many cases. It's a pain, but it's probably worth it.




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-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:19 AM
To: 'Dwayne McNutt' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Does Jaws have . . . .

Some of Window-eyes' features I've found really useful have been



Read page elements: insert e;



Speak summary: control shift s;



Display page navigation dialog: insert tab reads comments, huyperlinks
spelling errors and more).



I wondered if Jaws had the equivalent? As Jaws calls things by different
names I'm having difficulty searching to look this up myself. And lastly, do
we treat notifications the same with alt n to access the open/save options
etc.



Hope someone can help.



My aim is to learn half a dozen Jaws keystrokes a day but it is a relief to
be typing this back in good old Window-eyes!



Alison

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Re: latest windows 10 update

2017-07-02 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
It wouldn't hurt to start Narrator with ctrl-Windows-Enter to see what it 
has to say. You may have to do this another time or two, depending on how 
things are progressing.




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-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:35 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: latest windows 10 update

Morning



Yesterday I noticed windows 10 creater was downloading about 50 files and
when finished, it sid you now to restart, which I did



It has now been running for hours and no sound but  I hear the hard drive
moving.



Can I start narrater to hear what is happening or is this normal for windows
10 creater?



Thanks

Don



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Re: can someone help me a little?

2017-06-09 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
But before you can read a window with the simulated mouse pointer, you must 
press the numeric minus key to engage the JAWS cursor. and when you are done 
you press the numeric plus key to reengage the PC cursor. Otherwise your 
keystrokes will have no effect or not go where you expect. I haven't started 
exploring the use of the "touch cursor" yet, which is probably a little more 
analogous to the mouse pointer than the JAWS cursor is.




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From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:02 AM
To: Micallef Michael at FITA ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: can someone help me a little?

up and down arrow, should do it.

-Original Message- 
From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 2:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: can someone help me a little?

Dear friends,

I recently just switch to jaws after 20 or more years using the superb
screen reader called window-eyes.  One majorproblem that I am experience is
that I cant figure out how to review the screen line by line. For example,
goto the desktop.
Find the This Computer Icon.
Press alt enter on this computer to open its properties.
I know that you can use the insert+B in jaws to read the whole window, but
how to read this whole screen from top to bottom line by line and word by
word where necessary?

Your kind help is appreciated.

Kind regards,

Michael Mixcallef
Malta Europe.
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Re: quick transaction on bank site wasRe: combo boxes and drop down boxes

2017-06-08 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Table navigation in JAWS is with ctrl-alt-arrows, like changing speech 
parameters in Window-Eyes.
As I demonstrated to some folks yesterday, every combination of screen 
reader and browser works differently, and they can also behave differently 
depending on whether you use Tab and shift-Tab, or arrow keys, and some of 
your screen reader's browse settings. Have patience. Try things. Work with 
the help system and the training webinars that have been produced over the 
past several years. It's all there, but not always easy to find.




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-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 4:36 PM
To: Chris G via Talk
Subject: quick transaction on bank site wasRe: combo boxes and drop down 
boxes


Well, pressing ALT at the dropdown/combo box first didn't work, but when
I remembered to press enter when on/at a dropdown/combo list I was able
to arrow through them with Window-Eyes.

In Jaws, I had to listen to a whole lot of verbage before I found where
I was.  I could change the dropdown to various accounts, but it was hit
or miss, and in that area the numpad arrows didn't seem to work.
CNTRL-HOME took me to the top, or if I couldn't get that to work tab or
shift-tab got me out of the quick transaction area.  It is a whole lot
of trial and a lot of error.

In the quick transaction area Jaws did say "3 rows 5 columns" but I
wasn't sure how to use that info.

I can use W-E for now, but eventually, especially with Win10, I'm going
to have a problem.

Any suggestions on how to use my banking site in Jaws as I do with W-E?

Brenda

On 6/7/2017 2:44 PM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

Before you start to arrow through the combo box, try alt-down arrow first.
That may work.



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From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 12:58 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: combo boxes and drop down boxes

On my banking site I used to get combo boxes which were easy to access
to select desired account number WITH  ENTER and arrow.
Now they seem to be drop-down boxes. I also ran into this on an
application I was filling out.

In Window-eyes if I arrow, shift-tab and tab back and forth I can read
and adjust my entries.  It is a little time consuming but doable.

Is there an easier way to do this in either Window-eyes or Jaws?

Thanks for the answer to my other 2 questions.  I will try the INSERT-B
once I get the drop-down thing figured out.

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: purpose of the scroll lock key

2017-06-07 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

In Excel it keeps your cursor parked in a single cell of a spreadsheet.



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From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:00 AM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: purpose of the scroll lock key

Hi,
In a list message, a member mentioned that the capslock or scroll lock
key could be used as the Jaws key instead of the insert key.  I assume
this would be while using the laptop  keyboard layout rather than the
desktop layout even if using a desktop.  Is this correct?

Also, I have never used the scroll lock key for anything over the 30
years or so of using computers. So, can anyone inform me of its purpose
on the keyboard?

Thanks
Neville.



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Re: drop down menus

2017-06-05 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Try the site with either NVDA or JAWS, along with Firefox. You may still not 
exactly know what's going on, but you are likely to be getting more 
information. If you continue to use WE, try refreshing the web browser 
buffer with insert-backslash once in a while.




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-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 11:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: drop down menus

Hi everyone,

Still using WE 9.5.4 and have a question.

My bank, which is US Bank has been doing updates to their website and it is
causing me problems.



At the beginning there are items like customer service, products and
services and items like that.



According to my sighted husband he tells me when I am on one of these items
a menu drops down showing the options for what I am on.

Can anyone tell me how to read this drop down menu?



I know there is a way but to be perfectly honest I am not a continuous user
of the computer like most people so I do not have any idea even how to go
about getting these drop down menus to read.



Thanks in advance,  Dave

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Re: windows 7 help needed

2017-06-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sometimes I make a desktop shortcut unique by prefixing it with a 
punctuation mark, such as an exclamation. If you're talking about the order 
of things on the taskbar, I think that's more difficult, requiring that 
everything be removed, then put in place in the order in which you want to 
see them.




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-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:00 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 7 help needed

This does work to get a shortcut, and I know that I can rename the shortcut.
Is there a way to force this shortcut to be the first one on my desktop?
thanks,
Jeff Weiss



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From: Rod Hutton

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 7 help needed

Hi Jeff,

If you find your Windows user profile folder, you can simply highlight each
of the folders you want desktop shortcuts for, press the Applcations key,
press N for Send to, and then press D for desktop and then press Enter
(since there's probably more than one item starting with D on the Send to
menu).

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: June 3, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu
does not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there
as links that I have to click on with the mouse.

Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads,
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.
Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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Re: Forms Question

2017-05-23 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
There is also another mode, imitating Window-Eyes' behavior, that goes in 
and out of forms mode with the Tab and shift-Tab keys, but not with the 
arrow keys. This is one of the instances where JAWS had to create a feature 
that Window-Eyes already had. It is not the default, however.




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-Original Message- 
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Forms Question

Hi, you can change forms mode to manual. This will make it so you will
have to always press Enter on edit boxes to turn off the virtual cursor
and enable forms mode. This setting is found either in the startup
wizard from the Jaws window help menu, or by pressing Jaws-6, typing
forms, and arrowing down to the forms mode settings and making the
necessary changes.

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On 5/22/2017 9:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

One of the features I like in WE is the ability to arrow down on a web
page without having to come in contact with "browse mode off." Can I do
that with Jaws without having to change settings?  Sometimes I want to
type in an edit box, but sometimes I want to quickly skip past them.
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Re: Jaws and reading next line of text

2017-05-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
In Window-Eyes you can set how many lines of how many characters are 
required for "next text". I suppose there is a similar setting somewhere in 
JAWS, but obviously the default is different.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jaws and reading next line of text

Ok, I know the key to hear the next line of non-link text is N. However when 
I use this command Jaws skips a lot of those lines. For example, On my bank 
website. to move down to my current balance in window eyes I could hit X for 
next line of text, and after sever X’s I would hear the word “deposits”, 
then I could arrown down twice and her my balance. If I hit N in Jaws after 
about 3 times I’m at the bottom of the page. I’ve noticed this behavior on 
several other pages also. What is the reason for this?

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Re: PMMail

2017-05-20 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I used PM Mail at one time. I mail have it on my XP computer, which I 
haven't run for a couple of years. I thought I had saved the files somewhere 
else, but maybe not. I don't know how to help you. But I thought that the 
messages that it saved were individual files, one per message. The headers 
may have been somewhat binary, but the text should be decipherable. The last 
times I ran the program, not to send mail but only to look at it, it 
complained about not being registered but I could read the mail anyway. I 
don't know what else to tell you.




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-Original Message- 
From: Angel via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 12:28 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: they're quick to take your money



I apologize if this is in the wrong thread, but I am having major discipline 
difficulties with p.m. mail. Is there anyone around who knows anything about 
PM mail? It would take me forever to explain all of this in an email. Help! 
Right now, the only way I can get my mail is on my iPhone. P.m. mail has 
said it has lost its key and if I run as administrator, I lose several of 
the folders I know exist. If I don't run as administrator, I cannot send or 
receive mail, but all of my folders show up. Any suggestions would be 
greatly appreciated.



From Sue or Akita.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: jaws question

2017-05-17 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
That depends on whether you put it on the system tray or leave it on the 
task bar. I expect that this setting is somewhere in the setup wizard.




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-Original Message- 
From: michael's emails via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:01 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws question

Hi guys i just been playing with jaws so far i like it.
But 1 question is after jaws loads you get the jaws window open.
And you can alt tab around but does this window stay open all the time.
i thought it would close and by pressing jaws key plus j it would open again 
to access the settings.

cheers Michael.
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Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

2017-05-15 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.




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-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.


What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.


Doug

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[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho


Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 


wrote:


I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
Loy via Talk wrote:
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
> to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
> Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to
> providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes
> product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as
> follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will
> be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue
> to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version,
> if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will
> then contact you with an authorization code 

Re: wineyes to jaws

2017-05-15 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
The migration web page of GW Micro already has a few audio and text 
tutorials about the transition. JAWS has a lot of features, and they are 
organized differently than in Window-Eyes, but they also have a lot of help 
information.
VFO Group doesn't run support e-mail lists, as far as I know, which is why 
Doug is advising us to keep discussions on this list more on-topic than they 
have been in recent months. I don't know where all the JAWS user support 
e-mail lists are, but I expect to find out soon enough.




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-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: wineyes to jaws

I'm not happy wineyes is going away, but I'm surely glad it's not
costing me to make the switch to Jaws. I've been slowly learning NVDA,
so it will be no bother to slowly  learn Jaws. I just hope there is some
good audio learning material. I've been a happy customer of window eyes
for nearly 20 years. Will this list continue for us new-bes? I don't
think the jaws list will be happy to all the questions from new-bes!
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Re: youtube question

2017-05-14 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
It is often the case that, when you are on or near the Pause/Play button you 
can turn Browse mode off and use the up and down arrows to adjust volume and 
the left and right arrows to move forward and backward through the 
presentation.




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-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:50 AM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: youtube question

Hi Ted,

Yes, there is a Pause Button, however, depending upon which screen
Reader and which Browser you use, it may be found in different places on
the screen.

Use Firefox and Window Eyes 9.5.  As I am listening to a video, if I
arrow down with my arrow keys, I come across the Pause Button within a
few presses of the Down Arrow.

If I press the Pause Button by pressing the Enter Key, the Button that
replaces the Pause Button is one labeled Play.


These Buttons could be part of the HTML 5 code, or within the CSS code,
or Java or some other language.

Not all screen readers pick these extra items up.
--

Grumpy Dave


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Re: insert key

2017-05-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

No. It's Alt-A, then down arrow to the particular app you are interested in.



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-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: insert key

Hi folks:



While in the we control panel, is the insert key and a is how I get to the
apps list?

I have tried this  and all I get is speak on and or speak off



Don



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Re: Narrater key strokes

2017-05-12 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Narrator has evolved quite a lot, including a responsive synthesizer, in the 
last few years. Its keystrokes use the CapsLock as the "Narrator key". I 
think that capslock-F1 brings up the list of over 100 keystrokes that 
Narrator has.
It's a very different program than the rest of the screen readers. I think 
it would be most useful for diagnostics, and not for real-world use. 
Narrator even supports braille displays now, through a modified version of 
the BrlTTY program that is also used in Linux and BrailleBack for Android.




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-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Narrater key strokes

Morning all



Other then the starting and stopping of narrater in windows 10
creater, are there many key strokes or commands that have changed?



Thanks

Don



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Re: MS Excel 2010

2017-05-06 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I just tested Excel 2010 with W-E 9.5.4. I happened to open a spreadsheet 
whose cells were protected. Pressing F2 told me that I could not edit unless 
I enabled editing. When I did this, I could no longer even read the 
spreadsheet, as well s not edit a cell. So I closed Excel and then reloaded 
the same file, now unprotected. Reading and editing then worked as they 
should, in my brief test.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 9:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: MS Excel 2010

I am using WE 9.5.5 with Windows 7 64-bit pro. When I press F2 to edit a 
cell, nothing reads any more. This occurs whether the window i8s maximized 
or not. I tried refreshing the accessibility library of Window-Eyes which 
worked for one time. But the vehavior quickly returned. Any help would be 
appreciated.

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Window-Eyes Expertise

2017-05-06 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I hope that whatever happens, VFO will keep the information, including 
training, tutorials, knowledge base and especially App Central available on 
the internet, so that people can make the best use of W-E. It wouldn't be 
surprising if persistent users might need to form a Window-Eyes mailing list 
somewhere else at some point. But since the current infrastructure is 
running well, we don't need to start such a list yet.





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Re: pronunciation query

2017-05-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I have noticed this bug with the Eloquence synthesizer for a few years. It 
may have been introduced when they changed the software to prevent certain 
strings from crashing Eloquence. If you use the DecTalk synthesizer, Caleb 
will be pronounced cakeb! The Microsoft Speech Framework synthesizers, Zera 
and Helen will expand more abbreviations than you can shake a stick at. And 
the Vocalizer synthesizers clearly have quirks, too.





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-Original Message- 
From: Grant Metcalf via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 2:41 PM
To: Via Talk
Subject: pronunciation query

Using Win7 with WE 9.5.4. I noticed recently that when reading documents 
where an apostrophy-s occurs after a name ending with the letter h that the 
apostrophy-s is not spoken in normal reading mode. Two examples:   Jehovah’s 
Isaiah’s.  If I do a word by word cursor they do speak the apostrophy-s.  Of 
course, words or names ending with another letter followed by the 
apostrophy-s do seem to read normally, i. e. brother’s, sister’s, Rod’s, and 
Tom’s.
The question is:  Is there a fix or is this just something that needs a fix? 
Now that I am aware of the problem I am able to deal with it as needed.

Cordially,
Grandpa DOS, a k a Grant
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Re: narrater query

2017-04-29 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
If the accessibility settings have been set up right, you can use Windows-U. 
But under any circumstances you should be able to press Windows-R, then 
Narrator, then Enter.




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-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:49 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: narrater query

True for Windows 10 anniversary, but what is the correct key sequence
for Windows 7?


--
Donald L. Roberts 

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Re: 9.5.4 very unstable on my HP desktop

2017-04-16 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Which web browser?



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-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: 9.5.4 very unstable on my HP desktop

I am writing to inquire whether other list members have observed
significant instability with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 especially on web pages.
I have an HP desktop running Windows 10 Creator edition.  This
instability was also present with previous windows versions,
specifically 8.1 and Windows 10 anniversary and also 1507.  So it may
well be something unique to this machine.


It is almost the norm rather than the exception that Window-eyes will
crash whenever I launch a web page or search for something on a page,
such that I will then have to restart using alt control w.  I often have
to launch Jaws 16 to get the job done.  Today, for example I went to
wal-mart.com to search for an RCA Galileo Pro.  The main Wal-mart page
loaded without incident, and I got to the search box without
difficulty.  But as soon as I hit control shift f and typed RCA Galileo
Pro and hit enter, Window-eyes crashed.


Are any of you listers experiencing anything comparable?


Thanks.


Don Roberts


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Re: gun shy about new laptop

2017-04-14 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I am typing this on a 7-year-old Toshiba laptop that cost about $700 at the 
time. Had to have it repaired once when I messed up the touch strip above 
the function keys.
The technology and features keep changing, so I'm not sure you can 
generalize about brands very much.
I wouldn't get the smallest, thinnest and lightest laptop I could. I 
probably wouldn't get one designed for gaming, either, which is largley what 
they talk about in PC World, since luxury computers pay the bills for the 
subscription magazines like that.
I was fortunate to go into a Best Buy store and work with a salesman for 
more than a half hour on a Saturday morning, starting up Narrator on their 
demos and seeing how responsive the speech was, what sort of keyboard the 
laptop had, how many ports and of what type, etc.




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-Original Message- 
From: Michael Fridey via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:48 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; window eyes help list
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop


I agree i brought a new tosheba notebook couple years back and after a 
week.
Each time i booted it up the sound was disabled i took it back twice to the 
store to be fixed.
After twice of no sound at all i took it back and payed more for a dell 
notebook and never had problems with the dell.

Cheers Michael.
On 14 Apr 2017, at 1:41 am, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm also going to toss in that my Toshiba lasted just two years that 
completely died.  My husband's Toshiba is maybe 4 years old and the 
keyboard now won't work correctly -- something about the keyboard drivers 
not being compatible with the latest Windows updates.  I'm a bit nervous 
about the quality of Toshiba laptops.  Then again, a computer tech friend 
of mine says most laptops for personal use are not built to last more than 
a few years.  I miss having my desktops that easily lasted. 7-8 years or 
longer.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:53 PM
To: Chris G; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hello, on a similar note, I have been reading up on to Sheba and some of 
the losses that have occurred because of various things like bad 
management, etc. How risky is it now, to buy a to Shiba computer for 
business purposes question does anyone have a clue after hearing Jonathan 
Moseman's podcast in November 2016 question thank you, I have liked to 
Shiba in the past but wonder if I couldn't get a business computer and 
still have the portability that I like? Thank you so much.


Jo Taliaferro

On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Chris G via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key 
myself.

2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has 
windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8=all




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From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to 
it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on 
the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until 
after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up 
was two things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have 
learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke. The bigger problem was 
the whole thing we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in 
order to get the function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found 
someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me see about 
changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key thing also 
applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've 
gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this requires 
some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command. 
Aside from all this, there is also some w

e
 ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally 

Re: makeing the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Remember that VoiceOver for iOS and VoiceOver for the Mac are two different 
screen readers running with different constraints. Marco Zehe, a blind web 
developer who works for Mozilla, wrote a blog a year or so ago about why he 
was switching from the Mac back to Windows.
There are all sorts of opinions on this subject, and I don't think that any 
screader/browser combination is the best one for very long. Last summer one 
web tester I know said that the combination of NVDA with Firefox was the 
closes one could come to meeting the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines of 
the Worldwide Web Consortium. Of course that was last summer, but she was 
including Apple products in that statement.
I hope sombody fixes App Central. This is as important to the survival of 
Window-Eyes as anything else right now.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 6:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: makeing the switch

Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for several 
years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent demise of Window 
Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be making the switch. 
I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems that it’s time to teach 
an old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone or my I pad mini and have 
no problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, and other websites using 
Voice Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t because the sites aren’t 
accessible. I think I’ll keep one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it just so I 
can look back and think of all the money I spent just to be left with my 
thumb up my nose. When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a screen 
reader, and now the built in screen reader with the IOS works great with all 
those websites that were called by tech support for Jaws and window eyes 
“inaccessible”.. I know I may catch some flack for this, but it’s the truth 
none the less.I guess VFO thinks they’ve cornered the market on Screen 
readers, but I refuse to do business with them, because of who they are and 
who they are connected with. I started out with Windows 95 and JFW back in 
1995, and I used Jaws up untill 2004 when a friend of mine and myself 
started building a web site, he was a WE user and I a Jaws user. I couldn’t 
do some of the thing with jaws and Freedom Scientific’s tech support told me 
it was because the page builder I was usin was “inaccessible”, but my buddy 
with Window eyes could do it. I started using WE to work on the website and 
as I got used to it I began using is more and more for other things. I found 
that WE worked “out of the box” with more programs than Jaws did. So, in 
2004 I became a Window eyes user. now I’m sad to say that the same type of 
thing has happened, except this time is between Window eyes Windows and 
Voice Over and Mac. I will be buying my first Mac in a couple of months and 
telling WE and Windows goodby.

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Re: Getting into contacts in WLM

2017-03-15 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I haven't tried doing this sort of thing. But among the audio tutorials on 
the gwmicro.com website is one discussing Windows Live Mail which gave me 
some useful hints.




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From: Janet Brandly via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:25 PM
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Subject: Getting into contacts in WLM

Hi,

Would someone please tell me how to access my contacts list in WLM? I’ve 
done a Google search for the keyboard shortcut but the one I found, 
ctrl+shift+b, doesn’t work. I did use the bipass key first. I need to select 
from one contact list and move them to another list.


Thanks,

Janet
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Re: WINDOW-EYES -- COPY AND PASTE FUNCTION

2017-03-07 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I don't think you can append to the clipboard except with another app that 
was built for the purpose. After copying something to the clipboard, I 
usually then paste it into a document in Duxbury, Word, Notepad, or whatever 
most suits the document. From those editors you can append all you want and 
be more or less in control of the process.


Another under-utilized function, which is well supported by Window-Eyes, is 
the F8 "extended selection" mechanism in Word, Excel, etc. Read about this, 
practice it, and then see how well the other screen readers support it.


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-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WINDOW-EYES -- COPY AND PASTE FUNCTION

Hi Everyone:

Today, I had a chance alas to play with the copy and paste function in
Window-Eyes using the F8 function key.  I find this feature impressive!  I
located the beginning of the article I wanted to copy; pressed F8.  I
navigated to the last sentence in the article and pressed F8 again!  A
window popped up giving me three choices:  I chose to save as text and the
entire article was copied to the clipboard.  For those amongst us who use
NVDA, is this feature available to you?  How about to Jaws users?

One last question:  Using the Window-Eyes Copy & Paste feature, how can I
append to the clipboard?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: PDF issues

2017-02-11 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sometimes when a PDF won't display text, I have closed the PDF, but not 
Acrobat Reader, with ctrl-W.  I will then go to Adobe Reader's recent file 
list and open the file that I just closed. You may also have to press 
ctrl-shift-5 to set reading options

For image PDFs I use Omnipage to do OCR, and have it create a Word document.
The program you owned may have been by Abbyy, who make FineReader and other 
OCR products.




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-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:01 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: PDF issues

Since you state NVDA will read them, they apparently hold text, not just
scanned images. I have seen numerous samples of the same behavior, which
in rality have lead me to stop using Adobe in my daily activity. I find
that those documents, typically will open in things like QRead, and
there WE will read them well enough. What's more, often the layout of
the document will be somehow better in QRead.


Other PDF readers out there, might have similar beneficial effect. QRead
for one, is not exactly free, but low-cost enough, that it proved worth
the money to buy a license.


Several years ago, I bought a license for a PDF-To-Text converter, think
it was from a company named something like ABC Software, but cannot find
the software, nor the license here now. Back then, that was the better
solution.


Adobe has been on and off, when comes to reliability - from my
experience. They release one version, and for a while everything works
wonderfully well. Then comes a new version, or at least you start
getting new PDF files, and everything seem broken. Who is the
bottleneck, I do not know. As a user though, I am lost. Could it be the
Adobe, the PDF file, the screen reader - or simply just the combination.
For the more recent year and a half, QRead has been my solution. It will
stay, till it no longer solves the issue, or something better comes
around for handling PDF documents.


One clear drawback with QRead - or any other converting software - is
that you cannot fill-in things like a PDF form. Another disadvantage is
that they do not let you print the document. Nuance, the former
Scansoft, has something they name PaperPort, which is told to give you
all flexibility with PDF documents. To what extent it will work with a
screen reader, would be nice to know if anyone has any experience. Then
again, it does cost a chunk.


On 2/11/2017 1:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:

I find a lot of pdf documents that will open in adobe reader that WE
will only say top and bottom and not read what is displayed on the
screen.  The only remedy I have found so far is to use NVDA instead of
WE to read these files.  Is theere a way to get WE to read them?
Running latest WE ona Win 10 system.
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Re: window-eyes Set File Associations

2017-02-03 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
If you don't find it in the user interface, you could always move or rename 
the associated .we file. First look at it to see if it appears to contain 
what you want. If you are dealing with factory set files (moving from one 
version of Office to another, for example), you have a user interface for 
that. Hope this helps.




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From: Jim Ruby via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 4:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: window-eyes Set File Associations

Hi, In window-eyes How does one remove Set File Associations? I don't see it
in the kb and it has been for ever since I had to do it. Using latest
version of we under windows 10

Thanks.

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Re: using Safari web browser for Windows with Window-Eyes

2017-01-29 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I have not tested it lately. But its reputation has been that it was 
inaccessible for Windows screen readers. I would stick to IE or Firefox.




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-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: using Safari web browser for Windows with Window-Eyes

Hi Everyone:

Someone just told me about a version of the Safari for

Windows browser. Have any of you ever tried using it with Window-Eyes? If
so, is it accessible? and Where can I obtain a copy. Thanks. Oh and in
regards to the other posts about Window-Eyes, I hope that our beloved screen
reader will somehow pull through this mess.To this day, I still remember my
very first official copy of Window-Eyes. It was version 3.1. No, make that
3.2. It was back in the day, when we'd insert the CD, and within a matter of
moments, we'd get a verbal greeting from a very fast talking perfect Paul.

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Re: Save As Type Not Showing up in Window-Eyes

2017-01-16 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I experienced this yesterday on my wife's computer, running Windows 7 
64-bit, while Outlook 2007 and Word 2007 were both running. I was trying to 
save the Word file in a different format. I think that in that instance 
Outlook was obscuring part of Word's Save-As dialog box; closing Outlook 
solved the problem.
Sometimes it's very hard to diagnose these problems if something opens on 
the screen and Window-Eyes cannot read it and you can't alt-Tab into it to 
see that it is running. This could happen with, for instance, the Dell 
"support" program that I have on my recent Dell desktop. I put Support in 
quotes because I can't read much of its output beyond its title bar, as I 
remember. Sometimes it's helpful to get someone over to look at your monitor 
and see if everything is squashed to one side or something that you don't 
expect.




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From: Pele West via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:55 AM
To: Windows Talk List
Subject: Save As Type Not Showing up in Window-Eyes

Hi Everyone

I am using Windows 7 professional and Window-Eyes 9.5.3.0. Last month I
bought a new Dell desktop computer.

Since Window-Eyes was installed on this machine I cannot see the SaveAs
Type in the SaveAs Dialog Box for most applications. It is there, I can
see it with the mouse pointer and I can use the arrow keys to change the
file type. NVDA can see it.

I have found it is not shown in the following programs:

Goldwave, Adobe Reader, Word 2010, Excel 2010 and Notepad.

I use Becky! as my e-mail client, and I can see the SaveAs File Type
when saving an e-mail message.

If I press  I land in the File Name, as expected. If I then
press  to the SaveAs Type combobox nothing speaks and nothing shows
up on the braille display.

I checked my husband's machine. He also has Window-eyes 9.5.3.0. The
SaveAS Type box shows up as a combobox. I tried reclassing the window as
a combobox on my machine but, although it says it is a combobox and it
is SaveAs Type, it does not actually show the different file types.

My husband's machine is an Acer Aspire running Windows 7 Home premium,
mine is running Windows 7 Professional. They are both 64-bit versions.

I contacted AI Squared who were unable to replicate this problem,
although I do know someone who has the same issue. AI Squared advised me
to uninstall Window-Eyes using the WE Emergency Remove Tool and install
it using a version of the installation they sent to me. It has made no
difference.

Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

Pele West




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Re: WE hot key

2016-12-13 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
There is a command to turn speech off and to turn it back on again, while 
leaving Window-Eyes running. It is not defined by default; if you need it 
you would go through the menus and assign it and save this as a global 
setting.
From anywhere, whether or not you use a special app, you can close 
Window-Eyes down with ctrl-Insert-F4. You can start it up again with 
ctrl-alt-W.




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-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE hot key



Perhaps I should know this, but I don't. Is there a hot key to toggle
Window-Eyes on and off, on the order of the browse on/off keys? I know,
of course, about Control Backslash, but after  pressing those keys, you
have to find the Exit command. So is there such a thing as an on/off toggle?
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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Re: using the read-to-end hotkey with Windows Live Mail

2016-12-05 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I use ScrollLock as my read to end key for all applications. And on this 
laptop, this means that it is really Fn-Insert, because that's what becomes 
ScrollLock.
I can use Read to End while reading messages, but not for messages that I am 
composing.




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From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: using the read-to-end hotkey with Windows Live Mail

   Hi everyone,
I’ve never been able to get the read-to-end hotkey to work with Windows Live 
Mail.  I’m using a Dell laptop with Window-Eyes 9.5.3, the free version. 
Does anyone have any ideas?

Kim Lingo
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Re: WE, Firefox & Duckduckgo Question

2016-11-01 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Some sites open a new window when you enter on a result. I have never used 
that site, so I don't know how it behaves. But you might have needed to try 
a different tab in Firefox, or if you were through with your result, hit 
ctrl-W, which only closes the tab you are in. Of course, if this is the only 
tab, ctrl-W closes the whole browser.





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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 11:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE, Firefox & Duckduckgo Question

This may not be a WE issue,, so feel free to e-mail me off list.  Was
using the search engine Duckduckgo, while in Firefox.  I clicked on one
of the results, but was unable to return to the Duckduckgo results page.
 I tried back space, and alt-left arrow but neither worked.  Not sure
if this always happens, or if it only happens when I use Firefox, or if
it depends on when I am in certain sites.  Hmm, it just occurred to me I
could try alt-shift-tab.  OK, disregard this e-mail (smile).
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Re: fire at blazie engineering

2016-10-23 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I should not have replied to the question about the history of Window-Eyes 
on the listserv, but just sent it to the man who asked the question. The 
history of Window-Eyes and of assistive technology are not over yet, and we 
need to concentrate on supporting each other in these turbulent times.




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-Original Message- 
From: Andy Baracco via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:14 PM
To: Josh Kennedy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: fire at blazie engineering

Didn't know they still existed.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 11:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: fire at blazie engineering

anyone remember this?


Fire at Blazie Engineering -- Deane Blazie
On Oct. 17, at 11:00 PM a fire broke out in the offices of Blazie
Engineering. Nobody was hurt. The building was badly damaged but most of
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Re: speaking keystrokes

2016-10-22 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
The corollary to this is that the association between your mail program and 
a working copy of the key label dictionary may have been broken. I think 
there is a global key label dictionary, keylab.key, but there may be an 
additional one that used to contain the ctrl-M keystroke. So I would look at 
file associations rather than verbosity to track this problem down.





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-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 1:15 PM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking keystrokes

you have to define the key strokes you want in the key label dictionary.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:07 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: speaking keystrokes

I came across instructions once on how to make Window-eyes speak certain
keystrokes, in particular to have Window-eyes say "send/receive mail" when
you press control m in Outlook but I can't remember how to do this; could
someone tell me please? I'm presuming it is hidden somewhere in the
verbosity setting.



Alison



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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

I agree; that was a fascinating BBC program.
In 1987 or 1988, a special issue of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of 
America had the article about the history of speech synthesis, written by 
Dennis Klatt. This magazine, as was sometimes done back then, contained an 
Eva-Tone flexible disc bound inside. It contained the recording, made by Dr. 
Klatt, and was distributed to all of the subscribers of the magazine. Of 
course, this was at 33 rpm, and not the 8 rpm that NLS was using at that 
time. But it would have been pressed on the same equipment that NLS used, in 
Clearwater, Florida. Anyway, that recording with its 30-some selections, has 
been digitized by several individuals. An old version of this, archived at 
the University of California, Berkeley, is still available at
http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/eecs225d/klatt.html . I have not looked around 
for copies of this recording that would be more convenient to use in our 
modern browsers and media players; it's probably out there somewhere on the 
internet.
The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History had a 
small collection on speech synthesis. Some of its printed documents were 
online a few years ago, but I haven't found them since a reorganization of 
their website. Someone had interviewed a lot of other people, including Mr. 
Gagnon, who invented the Votrax series of synthesizers, originally from 
Federal Screw Works in Michigan.
There is fascinating history behind the products we take for granted, but it 
is only of interest to some segments of the population.





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-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:

Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are 
not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:



I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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Re: history of window eyes

2016-10-17 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little of the 
story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids Corporation, 
to create software for the Apple II family of computers. They teamed up with 
Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which 
was released in 1985, which I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was 
linked with ProKey, a macro program, and its functionality was extended. 
Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 
Computer Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech 
synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. 
Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the summer of 
1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and JAWS for Windows. 
Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. It worked with Windows 3 
and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already out and had no screen reader 
support from anyone at first. Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to 
support Windows 95, and came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going way 
back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.



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-Original Message- 
From: Drew Clark via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes

hi,

i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?

thanks


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Re: th all audio enthusiaths, what editor you use with window eyes?

2016-10-16 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
I am using SoundForge Audio Studio 10 under Windows 10. I am not doing 
anything fancy with it, and am not using any scripts. I realize that scripts 
exist, but I would have to make a few changes to get them associated with 
the program, and I don't know how much improvement I would see.




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Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:00 AM
To: Andre via Talk
Subject: th all audio enthusiaths, what editor you use with window eyes?

hi,
between goldave, adobe audition, cakeWalk sonar, sound forge and so on, 
whats work best with window eyes? and, witch one has its window eyes 
app/script? thanks.

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Re: NVDA link

2016-10-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Another address for NVDA is NVAccess.org .




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-Original Message- 
From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:52 AM
To: 'Linette Sukup' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: NVDA link

Hi Linette,

here is a link from my web page for NVDA 2016.2.
You can install this version and right away NVDA will say there is a newer
update, NVDA 2016.3, just hit ok and download that newer version and you are
off and running.
The synthesize voice is not the best, but if you own Kurzweil 1000 software
you can use the Eloquence or Paul, Kate, or James voices from that.

http://adaptiveinformation.org/downloads/Freeware/NVDA_2016.2.exe

Regards,
Roger behm


Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

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Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: NVDA link



Obviously, my membership on this list shows where my loyalties are.
However, just in case I need it, I would like to have a link from which
to get NVDA. Could someone send me one?
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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Voices for NVDA

2016-10-04 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
The Nuance, DecTalk and Eloquence voices are tied to Window-Eyes, so you 
won't be able to use them with NVDA. You can use the various SAPI or Speech 
Framework synthesizers that come with Windows or that you had obtained 
somewhere along the way. In Windows 7 I use the Zera Pro Microsoft Speech 
Framework synthesizer with NVDA. In Windows 10 I use Microsoft David, 
although I wasn't able to use the souped-up mobile version. Eloquence and 
other synthesizers can be purchased to work with NVDA. Except for ESpeech, 
the free synthesizers I have used are not quite as responsive to 
single-character input as Eloquence or Vocalizer or DecTalk synthesizers, so 
if you are going to seriously use NVDA you will probably want to invest in a 
synthesizer. Responsiveness is quite adequate for general screen reading 
tasks, however.





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-Original Message- 
From: Gary Metzler via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 4:13 AM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

Hi All,

If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for?
Thanks,

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's
actually a screenreader worth using.  it's not a toy a couple people put
together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think.

 So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is
absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use
that.






On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 for 
JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop.


On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, and 
there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and plans 
involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product.

And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty.

I'm glad we are having this discussion.

Vaughan.





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On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m.
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to 
speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So all 
this thread really does is create what some in the online world  call 
fud. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.







On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for 
Office.

   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM
   Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes


   Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to 
complain.


   I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes for 
Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less and less 
of what I've paid for.


   As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a 
distinctive, commercially driven product.


   For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is 
worse than Window-eyes.  So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly 
purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now 
lagging in a number of areas.




   So VFO: talk to your paying customers.


   Vaughan.


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk

   Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m.
   To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

   Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion 
will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew 
magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to 
work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. 
Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining.  When i'm spending 
my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model 
is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, 
leg and first born child.





   On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk 


   wrote:

   > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a
   > alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same 
hot

   > keys as Window Eyes.
   >
   > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM
   > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes 

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