Killing sobig on the server
I have been trying the Selective Download filters to avoid downloading the SoBig infected files, and with the combination of the nine or so Subjects plus the relatively unusual Found to be clean header I'm feeling fairly safe that I'm reducing downloads substantially while not killing any real email. I did have a trial run with keeping instead of killing and then deleting via direct web access to the mail file. However, the problem is with the virus subject header of Re: Details. This is the only one which may turn up in my genuine mail, though not just that phrase on its own, and it does not seem possible to set the selective download filter to ensure that there are no other words in the Subject line. Is this possible using the regular expressions option? As someone who has seldom needed to grep, can anyone point me to a *simple* explanation of how these work? The need to delete on the server arrived when I was confronted by 12MB of mail downloads one morning, almost 10MB of which was made up of the 100kb sobig messages. -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Doubling up
Sorry for the double message... I found that my template to TBUDL had a %TO= setting of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was putting the to address twice in the To line. Now I've got rid of the wayward angle brackets and quotes, I hope this arrives only once. -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello all, As some of you may remember, over one years ago I developed a method to use The Bat! for newsgroups using a news/mail/news gateway, actually MailTraq4Free (http://www.mailtraq.com/323/form.nc) as described in: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg36819.html Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. For more info: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ I just wonder why hasn't the author or co-authors announced MyGate on this list. It is a really useful piece of software. In any case, my congratulations to him/them :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hello Mark, On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:49:29 -0400 GMT (07/09/2003, 07:49 +0700 GMT), Mark wrote: M The Bat! Upgrade from 1.xx (Private) $17.50 M until 10/31/2003. M What will be the The Bat v2 Upgrade price after 10/31/2003? Full price instead of 50% discount? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Personnel executives of 100 major corporations were asked for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants. 5. Interrupted to phone his therapist for advice on answering specific interview questions. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 03:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M What will be the The Bat v2 Upgrade price after 10/31/2003? Full price instead of 50% discount? Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, isn't it! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) And there's a dreadful law here - it was made by mistake, but there it is - that if anyone asks for machinery, they have to have it and keep on using it. -- E. Nesbit Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello MAU, Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. I forgot to say that even the Mail Dispatcher (News Dispatcher :) and Download filters seem to work flawlessly. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Will AVG Antivirus 7.x work with The Bat! 1.62r?
Hello , Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:13:34 AM, you wrote: Will AVG Antivirus 7.x work with The Bat! 1.62r? -- It worked here OK using the AVG plug-in. I am now using it successfully with 2.0. Best regards, Barry Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changed from 2.00 through 2.00.06?
Hello all, Sunday, September 7, 2003, Mark wrote: On this web page: The Bat! Downloads http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php shows an updated release for The Bat! v2, version 2.00.6. The old RIT Labs web site had a link to the change log and now there is no link to a change log. What are the differences between 2.00 through 2.00.06? fixes and improvements in IMAP, HTML Editor and TLS(SSL), complete changelog will be included in the next service release. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:04:41 AM, you wrote: M Hello all, M Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially M developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to M work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution M with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. For more info: M http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ M I just wonder why hasn't the author or co-authors announced MyGate on M this list. It is a really useful piece of software. In any case, my M congratulations to him/them :) Thanks for posting this to the list, I am looking forward to playing with it :) Sean - -- Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is top posting frowned upon? Fidonet: 2:263/950 ICQ: 679813 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website http://www.tcob1.net BBS: tcob1.thebbs.org 1800- GMT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MY WIFE. Usign TheBat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD4DBQE/WvR3HMnSWn2nApQRAitDAJdX318WmZ+NvmVvwp3ppG7i12KIAJ4nSPj6 yBYVzaCbGiTR5a+9fD5ueg== =Tbz0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Expand all threads command?
Hello Anne, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 5:34:46 AM, you wrote: A (I used the combo Ctrl+# as this wasn't used anywhere else so there A were no conflicts). Type in the key combo to use and click OK and then A OK again to close the Edit Shortcuts box. A Now you can toggle between Unread messages using your key combo (e.g. A Ctrl+#) and all messages (Ctrl+=) - and if you expand all threads A using Ctrl+(numpad*) you should get the effect you're after. Hope this A helps :-) Alt-F12 then MainMenu -View -Display -Only Unread Messages. Thanks. But, how did you get Ctrl+# ? Ctrl+Shift+3 ? :) (Just for my curiosity) -- Cheers, Bere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat v2.0 crashed and failed to restart
Hello list, I added 5 years to my life today. It is a bit of long story but there is a question at the end. Cleaning up my mailboxes, TB (version 2.0) crashed on me. Trying to select multiple messages it produced an access violation of some kind (sorry, didn't have the wits to capture the pop-up). Because TB kept running, I deleted the messages I had selected so far and exited the program. After it wouldn't start. At all. A restart of the PC and a motorcycle of the PC didn't work either. I figured out something was wrong with the Bat executable and I downloaded the most recent version from the Ritlabs site. I installed this over the current installation. I agree, this was not the best thing to do. Because after this, I decided to backup my complete The Bat! directory on a CHROME. I should have done this the other way around. I struggled to get it all operational again. In the end I did this: a) installed the clean version of the Bat! in a separate directory b) copied the old directory tree from CHROME c) copied all the files from the new installation over the old one. This seems to have worked. All my folders were there and TB repopulated them with the message when I clicked on them. The filters are there, as are the colour groups. I had to re-import my address book but was on the CHROME. The Bayesit plug settings were gone, but I leave that for the time being. Upon the next sync with the servers I got some duplicates but that is because I keep messages on the server for a few days before deleting them. Now the question, is there anything else that I have overlooked and that need to be restored? What else is kept in the configuration files in the directory 'Program Files/The Bat!' Time for a strong coffee. Frank -- Best regards, FJ de Bruin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat v2.0 crashed and failed to restart
Hello FJ, On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:41:36 +0200 GMT (07/09/2003, 16:41 +0700 GMT), FJ de Bruin wrote: Looks like you got it working again. Now the question, is there anything else that I have overlooked and that need to be restored? What else is kept in the configuration files in the directory 'Program Files/The Bat!' Help files come to mind (*.hlp) and some DLLs (*.dll). The templates and filters and account settings etc, if you are missing any, are in the individual mail directories as account.*. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Es war eine machtvolle Demonstration. Der Marktplatz war voller Menschen. In den Nebenstrassen pflanzten sich Maenner und Frauen fort. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders
Hello: It's my understanding (maybe erroneously) that not all implementations of IMAP allow for folder to contain messages themselves?? I'm using the University of Washington version that ships with Red Hat 7.2. JA That's not an erroneous statement at all. In fact, a very valid JA statement. This is why their is a \NoSelect option to reflect that the JA folder may not be selected, and may not contain mail. Does anyone know how to set up folders to contain messages themselves? Indeed this would solve my problem, and would even make my folder structure more flexible. :-) JA If you cannot setup folders to contain mail, then you are indeed JA looking at a bug in the implementation of the IMAP protocol. I JA believe Stefan is probably already working on it based on his comments JA earlier in this thread. It should be interesting to see how he JA manages to work out what IMAP servers require you to put in the folder JA delimiter to make folders that may contain subs, and normal mail JA folders. I think there may be a hint in the RFCs for it, I'd have to JA look it up. Thanks for all the help. I think that at this point, I'll wait until it's fixed. I appreciate the assistance. -- Brian Schang Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.00: bug in Scheduler
On Saturday, September 6, 2003, 19:17:08, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: [...] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-rc3 (1.202-2003-08-29-exp) on helios X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.5 required=6.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN, MIME_BASE64_LATIN,MIME_BASE64_TEXT autolearn=no version=2.60-rc3 X-Spam-Report: * 1.1 MIME_BASE64_LATIN RAW: Latin alphabet text using base64 encoding * 1.1 MIME_BASE64_TEXT RAW: Message text disguised using base64 encoding * 4.3 FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN Mail pretending to be from The Bat! (boundary) Hmm, better tell the SA-Team that TheBat produces different format now. Regards, Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Men, like bullets, go farthest when they are smoothest. -- Jean Paul Richter Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
Jamie, On 07-09-2003 03:03, you [J] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J I'm now convinced it's a conflict with bayesit04.dm I have the same with the Kaspersky plug-in. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello MAU, On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, at 10:04:41 [GMT +0200] (which was 09:04 in my TimeZone) you wrote: M Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially M developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to M work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution M with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. For more info: M http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ Works a treat here. Only problem is that if a message is crossposted it is nearly impossible to filter it to the correct area! I have not yet found a way round this. -- Best regards, Michael http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32 Smile... people will wonder what you've been up to. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Michael, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 11:59:56 AM, you wrote: MT Hello MAU, MT On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, at 10:04:41 [GMT +0200] (which was 09:04 in my MT TimeZone) you wrote: M Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially M developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to M work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution M with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. For more info: M http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ MT Works a treat here. Only problem is that if a message is crossposted MT it is nearly impossible to filter it to the correct area! I have not MT yet found a way round this. I found that esp with the alt.bbs series :) Sean - -- Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is top posting frowned upon? Fidonet: 2:263/950 ICQ: 679813 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website http://www.tcob1.net BBS: tcob1.thebbs.org 1800- GMT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MY WIFE. Usign TheBat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQE/WxIQHMnSWn2nApQRAtGMAJ9fPtAVM3uV7TYpFKpNrHyp0WwwdQCfZ7of b5DbrLaDYmjVN1tsn310Fcg= =1RHn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Alexander, @7-Sep-2003, 10:27 +0200 (09:27 UK time) Alexander [N] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Thomas: M What will be the The Bat v2 Upgrade price after 10/31/2003? Full price instead of 50% discount? N Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, N isn't it! Superb. This is a company that has continually enhanced and upgraded a product to extreme levels without charging existing users a penny for five years! I just hope this cashing in on the user base to fund further development enables them to continue giving us the same level of service for the next five years. I think they're very generous to give any kind of upgrade discount at all, considering the amount of time many of us have been using the software without paying extra for improvements. It may seem a bit rough on newer users, but it's not a major problem IMHO. The price could hardly be said to be extortionate. Sure, there's a matter of principal involved, but I've seen many an own nose slashed mercilessly from too many faces over matters of principal and much prefer the path of consideration of circumstance myself. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:18:54 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo Greetings Peter, On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 6:38:42 AM, you wrote: J I'm now convinced it's a conflict with bayesit04.dm Peter I have the same with the Kaspersky plug-in. Where can a Kapersky plugin for utilization with The_Bat! be located. I have been running Kapersky for over a year and have never been aware of a plugin for it therefore I am forced to utilize AVG7 Pro (resident scanner off) and it's plugin for The_Bat! to provide some AV comfort zone. Now where, sir, may I locate this Kapersky plugin? Thanks. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Just what part of NO didn't you understand...? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP1sV8bwi09Hs/j+VEQKYIQCg58nRdXpikzZxy602VpwTKe4VtsgAnjPP iTXJsHZ5wGDdQXMQ7Gt4Tk9C =+67y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changed from 2.00 through 2.00.06?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 1:50:54 AM, you wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:54:27 -0400 GMT, Mark wrote: M The old RIT Labs web site had a link to the change log and now there is M no link to a change log. What are the differences between 2.00 through M 2.00.06? If you uncompress the the_bat.exe which is downloaded from the site with winRAR or whatever de/compressor you use you can find all that in the readme.txt file. ..the distribution package is an SFX archive. This file to download: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/the_bat.exe is the installer. Since I cannot access the RIT Labs FTP site to download the RAR file, I do not know how else to access the .txt file. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
DG, On 07-09-2003 13:26, you [D] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D Now where, sir, may I locate this Kapersky plugin? Honestly, I do not know - I found the like on TBUL once and I've lost it! You can probably find it if you search the archives. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hello Alexander, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:27:21 AM, you wrote: Full price instead of 50% discount? A Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, isn't it! It's no different to the way Microsoft, Lotus and many other software companies work. Eventually a new major version is released and work stops on previous versions. Once the code base becomes too separated there's no point in continuing both. The Linux 2.0 kernel has bugs that no-one is going to fix because major versions have been released. Also it's not really a buy or die policy as 1.6x is an incredibly powerful mail client which most people could continue using. If you want the features of V2 then you'll need to upgrade. When I think of how many versions of Windows I've got through when many of them were just glorified service packs Win95 to Win95SE, Win98 to Win98Se, Win98SE to WinMe. None of those upgrades were more than bugfixes yet we were expected to pay for them. I used TB! for 4 years upgrading everytime a new version was released and was never asked to pay a penny more than my original payment. Also considering how powerful TB! and the cost of most software nowadays Iw as thrilled to only be charged £20. If version2 is upgraded like V1 was I'll be a happy bunny for many a year to come. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
Hi Dan, @7-Sep-2003, 07:26 -0400 (12:26 UK time) DG Raftery Sr. [DRS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter: DRS Now where, sir, may I locate this Kapersky plugin? You can't. Support for Kapersky Pro is built in and needs no plug-in. Only Pro handles external calls so no other version is supported. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Menu navigator?
Since installing V2, I have a little button next to the close/minimise/maximise buttons calling itself Menu navigator. I assume it TB that put it there. What is it? Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Feature requests
Where do we go on the web or who do we email to suggest new features? I'd like a Backup option for the Scheduler Actions to automate The Bat's backups. Steve . . . Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:07:06 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo Greetings Marck, On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 7:47:27 AM, you wrote: DRS Now where, sir, may I locate this Kapersky plugin? Marck You can't. Support for Kapersky Pro is built in and needs no Marck plug-in. Only Pro handles external calls so no other version is Marck supported. Kapersky Pro v4.5.0.48 being used here. Have a component loaded called Kapersky Anti-Virus Mail Checker but I'll be damned if I can find a way to set it up or manipulate it and that doesn't happen too often here. I can right click, double click and left click and see the properties but there has got to be a way to set up it's operation. Anyway ... - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP1sgUbwi09Hs/j+VEQLrEQCggRvFWaeKJ26GdaXcBHn+tB2AF0oAoIZ+ 7MQ3YEABnMhhq2Cch/V0k8vP =WgRW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML in the editor
Does the editor have any features to automate the entering of HTML tags (I couldn't find them), or do we have to enter them manually? Steve . . . Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature requests
Hello all, Sunday, September 7, 2003, Steve Mary King wrote: Where do we go on the web or who do we email to suggest new features? I'd like a Backup option for the Scheduler Actions to automate The Bat's backups. this is already in developers To-do AFAIK, it is not needed to add this to wishlist :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deleting read messages based on age
Hello TBUDL, Is it possible to automatically delete *only* read messages after so many days? -- Best regards, Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency. http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32 'To see a world in a grain of sand And heaven in a wild flower To hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour' Using TheBat! Version 2.00 Running On Windows XP (2600, Service Pack 1) Sent From OneAndOne pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu navigator?
Hello Günter, On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:10:11 +1000 GMT (07/09/2003, 19:10 +0700 GMT), Günter Minnerup wrote: Since installing V2, I have a little button next to the close/minimise/maximise buttons calling itself Menu navigator. I assume it TB that put it there. What is it? Don't be surprised if I tell you it's the ... drumroll ... Menu Navigator. :-) If you know there is a command somewhere in TB but you don't know in which menu this was - for example you want to edit your shortcuts but cannot remember that the option is under the View menu - the menu navigator is a helpfull tool. It finds menu items in TB's menues. I like it a lot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Personnel executives of 100 major corporations were asked for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants. 10. ... stretched out on the floor to fill out the job application. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat will no longer launch without /nologo
Hi Dan, @7-Sep-2003, 08:10 -0400 (13:10 UK time) DG Raftery Sr. [DRS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Marck You can't. Support for Kapersky Pro is built in and needs no Marck plug-in. DRS Kapersky Pro v4.5.0.48 being used here. That'll do. DRS Have a component loaded called Kapersky Anti-Virus Mail Checker Then unload it. It's for the protection of less capable mails clients than TB :-). ... snip DRS but there has got to be a way to set up it's operation. You want to go into TB preferences and under Warnings, Anti-Virus you click on Add and choose Kaspersky AV. Now you have the interface to the KAV software in TB. Configure it from *there*. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML in the editor
Hi Steve, @7-Sep-2003, 05:12 -0700 (13:12 UK time) Steve Mary King [SMK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SMK Does the editor have any features to automate the entering of SMK HTML tags (I couldn't find them), or do we have to enter them SMK manually? When editing a message, click on Options .. Message format and choose one of the HTML options. That will allow you to create and edit HTML formatted messages. You shouldn't need to mess about with tags. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Menu navigator?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 10:34:57 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: If you know there is a command somewhere in TB but you don't know in which menu this was - for example you want to edit your shortcuts but cannot remember that the option is under the View menu - the menu navigator is a helpfull tool. It finds menu items in TB's menues. I like it a lot. Interesting. Now I'll have to think of a menu item to test it :-) Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 7:37:19 AM, you wrote: Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:27:21 AM, you wrote: Full price instead of 50% discount? A Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, isn't it! It's no different to the way Microsoft, Lotus and many other software companies work. Eventually a new major version is released and work stops on previous versions. Once the code base becomes too separated there's no point in continuing both. The Linux 2.0 kernel has bugs that no-one is going to fix because major versions have been released. Also it's not really a buy or die policy as 1.6x is an incredibly powerful mail client which most people could continue using. If you want the features of V2 then you'll need to upgrade. When I think of how many versions of Windows I've got through when many of them were just glorified service packs Win95 to Win95SE, Win98 to Win98Se, Win98SE to WinMe. None of those upgrades were more than bugfixes yet we were expected to pay for them. I used TB! for 4 years upgrading everytime a new version was released and was never asked to pay a penny more than my original payment. Also considering how powerful TB! and the cost of most software nowadays Iw as thrilled to only be charged £20. If version2 is upgraded like V1 was I'll be a happy bunny for many a year to come. I thought my question on the upgrade price would have been simple. I have no problems upgrading to The Bat! v2, I was just wondering if the upgrade price would be higher after 10/31/2003. If so and with my current financial crunch, I would probably buy the v2 now rather than later and actually upgrade to v2 when most of the problem have been worked out. Normally cost would not be a factor in upgrading to The Bat! v2 as it is a great e-mail program. Currently I am using The Bat! 1.62r and its fairly stable with minimal problems. If the current upgrade price of $17.50 goes to, for example, $25.00 (Personal/Private) while the full The Bat! v2 Personal/Private cost is $35.00, I would probably pay the $17.50 now rather than $25.00 later. I also have upgraded throughout the Microsoft Windows versions (95 up to XP) including the DOS versions (1.0 through 6.22). Microsoft always had an upgrade price and full price set on all of their Windows versions. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:14:05 PM, Mark wrote: If the current upgrade price of $17.50 goes to, for example, $25.00 (Personal/Private) while the full The Bat! v2 Personal/Private cost is $35.00, I would probably pay the $17.50 now rather than $25.00 later. You don't have to actually install V2 now if you want to wait until the first service release or two - once you have the email with the key, you can save it until you upgrade. This way you can get the lower price upgrade, but continue with version 1.x for the timebeing. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:41:38 AM, you wrote: On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:14:05 PM, Mark wrote: If the current upgrade price of $17.50 goes to, for example, $25.00 (Personal/Private) while the full The Bat! v2 Personal/Private cost is $35.00, I would probably pay the $17.50 now rather than $25.00 later. You don't have to actually install V2 now if you want to wait until the first service release or two - once you have the email with the key, you can save it until you upgrade. This way you can get the lower price upgrade, but continue with version 1.x for the timebeing. Julian That is probably what I plan to do: I would probably buy the v2 now rather than later and actually upgrade to v2 when most of the problem have been worked out. -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Alexander, on Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:27:21 +0200GMT (07.09.03, 10:27 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : M What will be the The Bat v2 Upgrade price after 10/31/2003? Full price instead of 50% discount? A Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, isn't it! But why? You won't die using 1.62r. It is a well functioning and rather stable mail client, isn't it? My mother would hit me if I laid hands on her 1.61... ;-) -- Cheers Peter 'Yield to temptation. It may not come your way again.' Oscar Wilde Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 13:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full price instead of 50% discount? A Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, isn't it! It's no different to the way Microsoft, Lotus and many other software companies work. If I want to upgrade from Office97 today I get a discount price on Office XP, same goes for Windows v.whatever and whatnot. After *years* and not within 2 months only. This is what I mean with buy or die. If you don't want to update to v2 within two months, pay the full price, and it came all of a sudden after Ritlabs changed their beta numbering from v1.63xxx to v2.00xxx. I'd like to call that a bit unsensible. And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not one person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your laptop and your home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. Once the code base becomes too separated there's no point in continuing both. The Linux 2.0 kernel has bugs that no-one is going to fix because major versions have been released. Microsoft is still fixing bugs in IE5, IE5.5, IE5.5SP2, IE6, IE6SP1, and I personally regard v6 as major, same goes for WinNT4, 2000 vs XP. I'd rather expected Microsoft to behave the way Ritlabs do concerning their updates, than the other way around. Also it's not really a buy or die policy as 1.6x is an incredibly powerful mail client which most people could continue using. If you want the features of V2 then you'll need to upgrade. Maybe one day I want to. Maybe (or rather: certainly) this is not within the next two months. Then I have to pay the full price again. I registered because TB is an excellent program and I wanted to support further development, but my personal feeling is that on the other hand I'm not treated with that respect. I used TB! for 4 years upgrading everytime a new version was released and was never asked to pay a penny more than my original payment. Precisely! You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, I'd be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a rather unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not buying it. Also considering how powerful TB! and the cost of most software nowadays Iw as thrilled to only be charged £20. I stated it before. I beg your pardon, I don't think it is so hard to understand: I don't need any v2 features right now. Yet I'd like to 1. have the option to a reasonable update fee even after two months (rather than buy-now-or-die) and 2. have the fact regarded that I was using the program not for years, but only months. If version2 is upgraded like V1 was I'll be a happy bunny for many a year to come. If I were using v1 for a couple of years already, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Artists never thrive in colonies. Ants do. What the budding artist needs is the priviledge of wrestling with his problems in solitude - and now and then a piece of red meat. -- Henry Miller Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hello Alexander, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 7:01:58 AM, you wrote: A You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, I'd A be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a rather A unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not buying it. Good grief! You're comparing a $17.50 upgrade fee to the mega bucks that M$ charges for their upgrades? And don't believe for a minute this myth of IE being free. You pay for it many times more than it is worth with every Windows license. Give these guys a break. I would have gladly paid $17.50 for a maintenance contract on v1, but I didn't need to - the upgrades were free! Just skip a couple of grande lattes and you'll have it paid for! -- Best regards, Freddiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu navigator?
Günter Minnerup, [GM] wrote: GM Interesting. Now I'll have to think of a menu item to test it :-) If you don't like it, you can disable it via the Preferences/General options. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
MAU, On 07-09-2003 10:04, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway M specially developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that M seems to work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than M my solution with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. Very nice! Now I _almost_ don't care if TB gets newsgroups support. Have anybody worked out a way to get replies to one's messages flagged/coloured/whatever? One cannot insert a token to one's MESSAGE-ID, AFAIK? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hello Alexander, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote: A If I want to upgrade from Office97 today I get a discount price on Office A XP, same goes for Windows v.whatever and whatnot. After *years* and not A within 2 months only. The OfficeXP upgrade will not upgrade Office97 to OfficeXP as Microsoft consider that too large an upgrade to be considered an upgrade. You are forced to buy OfficeXP outright, AFAIK Microsoft upgrades will only upgrade the previous version to the current. A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not one A person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your laptop and your A home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. I don't know about this, although it seems to be standard practice for most software companies A Microsoft is still fixing bugs in IE5, IE5.5, IE5.5SP2, IE6, IE6SP1, and I A personally regard v6 as major, same goes for WinNT4, 2000 vs XP. But they're not fixing bugs in many other programs. Win98 has been abandoned and IE5 will eventually be abandoned. A Maybe one day I want to. Maybe (or rather: certainly) this is not within A the next two months. Then I have to pay the full price again. I registered A because TB is an excellent program and I wanted to support further A development, but my personal feeling is that on the other hand I'm not A treated with that respect. I will agree with you on that point. The short time limit to upgrade does seem a little unfair. However, RITLabs are under no obligation to give a discount for an upgrade, so in reality they are actually being fairer than they have to be. A Precisely! You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, I'd A be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a rather A unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not buying it. Life is unfair and this is an example of it. I actually ended up buying the full licence to ease a guilty conscience. A I stated it before. I beg your pardon, I don't think it is so hard to A understand: I don't need any v2 features right now. Yet I'd like to 1. have A the option to a reasonable update fee even after two months (rather than A buy-now-or-die) Oops. Slight misunderstanding on my part. I thought you were expecting RITLabs to continue releasing bugfixes for 1.6x, which would have been unreasonable. I can see your point, but RITLabs is a business and can run itself however it likes. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 10:01:58 AM, Alexander wrote: A If I want to upgrade from Office97 today I get a discount price on A Office XP, same goes for Windows v.whatever and whatnot. After A *years* and not within 2 months only. And you pay a *lot* more for Microsoft products than you do for TB. I'd rather deal with Ritlabs than MS personally. A This is what I mean with buy or die. If you don't want to update to A v2 within two months, pay the full price, and it came all of a sudden A after Ritlabs changed their beta numbering from v1.63xxx to v2.00xxx. A I'd like to call that a bit unsensible. I think someone pointed out that v2 is 75% new code - that's hardly just a change in beta-numbering. A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not A one person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your A laptop and your home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. I just ran the install-files for both v1.62 v2 to check. The wording in both licenses is exactly the same - you are given a license to run the program on one computer at a time. Also it's not really a buy or die policy as 1.6x is an incredibly powerful mail client which most people could continue using. If you want the features of V2 then you'll need to upgrade. A Maybe one day I want to. Maybe (or rather: certainly) this is not A within the next two months. Then I have to pay the full price again. A I registered because TB is an excellent program and I wanted to A support further development, but my personal feeling is that on the A other hand I'm not treated with that respect. I'm in a similar-but-slightly-different position. I'd like to upgrade to v2, though, like you, I'd like to wait for a while so that any bugs can be worked out, to find out what other people have experienced with v2 before I jump. But I can't afford to upgrade right now, so I'll end up paying the full fee in the future. Oh well. That's life. I can't afford a new car today either. Maybe I'll buy one in six months. Maybe the price will have gone up. Maybe they'll have stopped some special offers. I doubt if Ford will care how long I've been driving their products give me a break. I used TB! for 4 years upgrading everytime a new version was released and was never asked to pay a penny more than my original payment. A Precisely! You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, A I'd be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a A rather unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not A buying it. Look at it this way. You paid your money more recently than a longer-term user. A longer-term user has given more loyalty to the product. In the case of most on this list, they've also given a lot of support to other people using TB. And many of them have participated in beta-testing. So you've both given *something* to Ritlabs that the other hasn't. I fall somewhere in the middle - I've been using TB for about 16 months. Also considering how powerful TB! and the cost of most software nowadays Iw as thrilled to only be charged £20. A I stated it before. I beg your pardon, I don't think it is so hard to A understand: I don't need any v2 features right now. Yet I'd like to A 1. have the option to a reasonable update fee even after two months A (rather than buy-now-or-die) and 2. have the fact regarded that I was A using the program not for years, but only months. Ritlabs have made an offer to registered users of v1. They didn't have to; you can cite MS Windows all you want, but there are many software companies who don't offer any discount at all for current users when they release new versions. Ritlabs is giving you a break offering you a discount right now; that's actually pretty nice of them, I'm sure if they're reading this thread they're wondering why they bothered. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade, now or later or ever. You can decide what you want to do. Me, I'm just tired of the whining. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleting read messages based on age
Michael Thompson, [MT] wrote: MT Is it possible to automatically delete *only* read messages after so MT many days? Not directly. If doing this means a lot to you and you're willing to do it in an indirect way then you could park all incoming messages and then use a read filter to unpark the messages. You can then use the folder options to delete messages older than x amount of days. The parked messages will not be deleted, hence only read messages will be deleted. Of course, the drawback here would be that you'll not be able to easily delete unread messages (you'll have to unpark them first). You'll also have to read filters for each folder you decided to do this with. I was thinking that a filter could be setup to do this, but alas, there's no switched under the filter rules advanced tab that allows you to restrict your filter string matching to only those messages that are marked as read. There's everything else there except that. Perhaps something for the wish lists. Another possibility is that it be optional for the purging system to only work on read messages. However, the filter route would be the better and more versatile option. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S P A M A L E R T !
S P A MA L E R T ! Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.00: bug in Scheduler
Sunday, September 7, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: the build number just slipped as a result of some experiments with new numbering system What was wrong with the old numbering system. I kinda liked the letters and bis:es and stuff -- Urban Rhubarb: A kind of celery gone bloodshot. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Peter, Have anybody worked out a way to get replies to one's messages flagged/coloured/whatever? One cannot insert a token to one's MESSAGE-ID, AFAIK? Yes, I colour direct replies to me and thread branches I am involved in. Since I use my own domain (just like you seem to), all my message IDs will be [EMAIL PROTECTED], so if the In-Reply-To header line includes @rancho-k.com the message is a reply to me. If @rancho-k.com appears in the References header line (I actually look in kludges in the filter) it means I am involved. My filters first look for Involved and then for Reply to me. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 16:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, I'd A be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a rather A unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not buying it. Good grief! You're comparing a $17.50 upgrade fee to the mega bucks that M$ charges for their upgrades? Given what you quote from my mail I can't really follow you, and, I beg your pardon, you apparently can't do the math. See, my 6-month old registration copy of TB is worth 8 times more (or something) than the 4-year old registration of Jamie (yup, this is what Marck calls a *bit* hard on new users). Given that, I will stick with v1.x for a very long time until it amortises. ;-) And, I didn't start comparing MS and Lotus and whatnot with TB, that was Jamie Dainton. And don't believe for a minute this myth of IE being free. I never said that, and I try to correct people when they tell me about IE and OE coming for free, believe me... You pay for it many times more than it is worth with every Windows license. I know that, and I'm not using IE but Opera (which, btw. you can update to version7 even now, after it has been released for about one year - thats what I call fair). Give these guys a break. I would have gladly paid $17.50 for a maintenance contract on v1, but I didn't need to - the upgrades were free! I maybe wouldn't be so harsh here if I were using v1.x for the long time it existed (as many of the list participants seem to do, or else I can't understand that everyone is accepting this so easily), but (at least in my imagination) I could *understand* people being embarrassed about the way it is handled... Just skip a couple of grande lattes and you'll have it paid for! Money is not the problem here. Fairness and respect for the existing user base is, at least IMHO, I explained it before. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Non-Reciprocal Law of Expectations: Negative expectations yield negative results. Positive expectations yield negative results. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S P A M A L E R T !
Hello Avenarius, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 3:37:22 PM, you wrote: A Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. A Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. I knew shouldn't have started my message with enlarge your ... -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S P A M A L E R T !
S P A MA L E R T ! Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
MAU, On 07-09-2003 16:45, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Yes, I colour direct replies to me and thread branches I am M involved in. Since I use my own domain (just like you seem to), all M my message IDs will be [EMAIL PROTECTED], so if the In-Reply-To header M line includes @rancho-k.com the message is a reply to me. That would work except I don't use a domain address on usenet (to try to limit spam to postmaster@), but I guess this is the only way to do it. Hmm, I wonder if I should contact the writer and ask for a token option in MyGate? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Jamie Dainton, [JD] wrote: JD I will agree with you on that point. The short time limit to upgrade JD does seem a little unfair. However, RITLabs are under no obligation JD to give a discount for an upgrade, so in reality they are actually JD being fairer than they have to be. The 50% discount until the 31st October seems to be on the upgrade charge, is it not? Or am I mistaken? I hope that I'm not. IOW's, my interpretation is that until the 31st October, you can upgrade at 50% the upgrade charge. Afterwards, you pay the full upgrade charge. If after the 31st of October you have to pay the full licensing fee with no special upgrade charge from v1 to 2 then I find this odd since I've never really seen a time limit put on an upgrade charge in that manner and would question the fairness of it. Usually upgrade discounts aren't offered for major version jumps and this is to protect those regularly paying for upgrades. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 16:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OfficeXP upgrade will not upgrade Office97 to OfficeXP as Microsoft consider that too large an upgrade to be considered an upgrade. You are forced to buy OfficeXP outright, AFAIK Microsoft upgrades will only upgrade the previous version to the current. The last time I checked, both Office 97 and 2000 were eligible for the update to Office XP, but thats only tiny details in this discussion. A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not one A person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your laptop and your A home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. I don't know about this, although it seems to be standard practice for most software companies Well, your experience may differ from mine. :-) I will agree with you on that point. The short time limit to upgrade does seem a little unfair. However, RITLabs are under no obligation to give a discount for an upgrade, so in reality they are actually being fairer than they have to be. I don't think this was the wisest of decisions businessmen can make, but who am I to dare judge that... sigh. A I stated it before. I beg your pardon, I don't think it is so hard to A understand: I don't need any v2 features right now. Yet I'd like to 1. have A the option to a reasonable update fee even after two months (rather than A buy-now-or-die) Oops. Slight misunderstanding on my part. I thought you were expecting RITLabs to continue releasing bugfixes for 1.6x, which would have been unreasonable. I mentioned that only because I find bugs of v1 are fixed in v2 is no valid argument for a update to be paid for (even when in reality it happens all the time), as Marck said in one of his messages (IIRC in the registration woes thread). As I said all the time, this is just my personal feeling about how an honourable business is ran, or rather not. I can see your point, but RITLabs is a business and can run itself however it likes. Yeah, I'm pretty desillusioned already. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Science fiction is a kind of archaeology of the future. -- Clifton Fadiman Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Jamie, A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not one A person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your laptop and your A home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. JD I don't know about this, although it seems to be standard practice for JD most software companies Before I registered for the first time, I emailed RitLabs, asking if it was ok to put one license on my laptop and desktop (My question was about the synchronize feature, which led to 'do I need 2 licenses to use it'). They assured me it was within the licensing agreement to do so. I would tend to agree with the following statement: Give these guys a break. I would have gladly paid $17.50 for a maintenance contract on v1, but I didn't need to - the upgrades were free! Writing and selling software myself, I can Sympatize. Documentation, for example, unbelievably time consuming to keep updated. I say, give'em the benefit of the doubt, they aren't out to bite our hands, they just haven't documented their intentions very well. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
System tray icon
Since installing V2, the system try icon is no longer animated when there's unread mail - I'm sure the bat used to flap in V1.62. Is there a new setting somewhere in V2 which I need to adjust to get back that useful indicator of unread mail? Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
System for archiving
One way to archive messages is if you have a filter to copy all incoming messages destined for that folder, copy to another folder. If you do this though, the archive will not indicate which messages were read, and which not. No statuses. So, do you think that can be achieved? I was thinking, well a Read filter could copy messages to that same destination folder. So then, you'd have all the messages. Plus a bunch of duplicates. So maybe you could try going to that folder. And clicking Kill Dupes. I wonder if you have tried such a solution. Or have you tried some other method to create an archive, and either succeeded or failed at it? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 12:10:08 PM, you wrote: N Its a buy or die update policy. Wonderful customer service, N isn't it! MDP Superb. This is a company that has continually enhanced and upgraded MDP a product to extreme levels without charging existing users a penny MDP for five years! I just hope this cashing in on the user base to fund MDP further development enables them to continue giving us the same MDP level of service for the next five years. MDP I think they're very generous to give any kind of upgrade discount MDP at all, considering the amount of time many of us have been using MDP the software without paying extra for improvements. MDP It may seem a bit rough on newer users, but it's not a major problem MDP IMHO. The price could hardly be said to be extortionate. Sure, MDP there's a matter of principal involved, but I've seen many an own MDP nose slashed mercilessly from too many faces over matters of MDP principal and much prefer the path of consideration of circumstance MDP myself. I wholeheartedly agree. I started using The Bat! last November and purchased a licence soon afterwards. I paid the licence fee based on its merits at that time. The opportunity to upgrade at a discounted price is great. Moreover, I'm supporting further development of my preferred mail client. So $17.50 seems a rather small investment considering the likely number of updates and improvements yet to come. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP1tMV1v+PP8p0/caEQLkLwCfTKffJQtRfzOAGyVSLudlSBdGsXsAoIjy ZemdcToSWNvcS5vLkrX0tTof =4P3G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S P A M A L E R T !
Hi Avenarius, on Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:33 +0200GMT (07.09.03, 17:02 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : A S P A MA L E R T ! A Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. A Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. Avenarius, please check your spam filter! -- Cheers Peter Nobody can hurt me without my permission. Mohandas Gandhi Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System tray icon
On Sunday, September 7, 2003 @ 8:10:22 AM [-0700], Günter Minnerup wrote: Since installing V2, the system try icon is no longer animated when there's unread mail - I'm sure the bat used to flap in V1.62. Is there a new setting somewhere in V2 which I need to adjust to get back that useful indicator of unread mail? Hmm...still animated for me with V2. Have you tried disabling and re-enabling? -- Matt Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 16:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not A one person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your A laptop and your home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. I just ran the install-files for both v1.62 v2 to check. The wording in both licenses is exactly the same - you are given a license to run the program on one computer at a time. I stand corrected, I didn't verify the source. I doubt if Ford will care how long I've been driving their products give me a break. Hmmm... if I go to the same dealer were I bought my last car, I can trade in my old car and get a discount on the new car in addition for being a loyal customer... maybe you're just not smart enough. ;) And, I beg your pardon, I'm trying to raise something like a conscience when you call it whining. Lets get ripped off over over again, we really don't deserve any better. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) You cannot endow even the best machine with initiative; the jolliest steam-roller will not plant flowers. -- Walter Lippman Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hello Allie, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:01:14 PM, you wrote: JD I will agree with you on that point. The short time limit to upgrade JD does seem a little unfair. However, RITLabs are under no obligation JD to give a discount for an upgrade, so in reality they are actually JD being fairer than they have to be. AM The 50% discount until the 31st October seems to be on the upgrade AM charge, is it not? Or am I mistaken? I hope that I'm not. That seems to be the case and after that date you pay the full upgrade charge. AM IOW's, my interpretation is that until the 31st October, you can upgrade AM at 50% the upgrade charge. Afterwards, you pay the full upgrade charge. AM If after the 31st of October you have to pay the full licensing fee with AM no special upgrade charge from v1 to 2 then I find this odd since I've AM never really seen a time limit put on an upgrade charge in that manner AM and would question the fairness of it. Usually upgrade discounts aren't AM offered for major version jumps and this is to protect those regularly AM paying for upgrades. I'm not even sure if we're disagreeing with each other now. The special discount on the upgrade seems a nice gesture and a full upgrade with no time limit seems standard. As far as I can tell RITLabs are actually being fairer than I thought they were. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Martin Webster, [MW] wrote: MW The opportunity to upgrade at a discounted price is great. Moreover, MW I'm supporting further development of my preferred mail client. So MW $17.50 seems a rather small investment considering the likely number MW of updates and improvements yet to come. There's another dimension to this. Originally, I thought the upgrade policy was a simple one which I agreed with. 50% of the upgrade charge to registered v1.x users. Free upgrade for those who purchased their v1.x license within 2 months of the v2 release. It would seem that the upgrade charge is until the 31st of October, after which only a full license may be purchased by both new users and old v1.x users. Is this really the case?? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System tray icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Günter, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:10:22 PM, you wrote: GM Since installing V2, the system try icon is no longer GM animated when there's unread mail - I'm sure the bat used to flap GM in V1.62. GM Is there a new setting somewhere in V2 which I need to adjust GM to get back that useful indicator of unread mail? There's an option under Preferences-General. This behaviour also occurs when explorer.exe crashes and restarts. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP1tPM1v+PP8p0/caEQKQDwCg+YZjJoAXRBIHmweC/EZTagifpogAnjYN GYjb60Bch9m2JkVdBq2Mm0Yp =mkg9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System tray icon
Hi Günter, GM Is there a new setting somewhere in V2 which I need to adjust GM to get back that useful indicator of unread mail? General Options, checkbox: Icon animation when unread messages are detected -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 50% discount until the 31st October seems to be on the upgrade charge, is it not? Or am I mistaken? I hope that I'm not. IOW's, my interpretation is that until the 31st October, you can upgrade at 50% the upgrade charge. Afterwards, you pay the full upgrade charge. The Ritlabs site says: Within two months from the release date (September 1, 2003 - November 1, 2003) registered users of The Bat! v1.** are eligible to buy The Bat! V.2.** with 50% discount from the current price of V.2.**, regardless of the type and the number of licences of The Bat! v1.** bought before. The upgrade site that is linked to this text lists the update EUR 17.50. The full license is EUR 35. Following your interpretation the update price would be EUR 8.75... If after the 31st of October you have to pay the full licensing fee with no special upgrade charge from v1 to 2 then I find this odd since I've never really seen a time limit put on an upgrade charge in that manner and would question the fairness of it. Thats what I'm doing all the time but apparently no one understands me, doh! (whining indeed now!) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love? -- Albert Einstein Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: System tray icon
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 1:30:54 AM, Martin Webster wrote: There's an option under Preferences-General. This behaviour also occurs when explorer.exe crashes and restarts. Tried that, and my explorer hasn't crashed. In any case, there's been a few reboots since installing V2. Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: System tray icon
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 1:26:45 AM, Matt Thoene wrote: Hmm...still animated for me with V2. Have you tried disabling and re-enabling? I have now. No change. Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 17:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wholeheartedly agree. I started using The Bat! last November and purchased a licence soon afterwards. I paid the licence fee based on its merits at that time. If you registered in Nov-2002 you'll get a free v2 license - at least according to batworld.de (only in german, sorry): http://www.batworld.de/newswriter/article.php?article_file=1062532809.txt (in short, the article says that anyone who registered between Oct7 2002 and Jan5 2003 is eligible for a free update to v2, this has been confirmed in an email from Ritlabs to the site owner) The above link is a follow-up to: http://www.batworld.de/newswriter/article.php?article_file=1062529840.txt -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Arcana Coelestica: Archbishop - A Christian ecclesiastic of a rank superior to that obtained by Christ. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply template?
Hello TBUDL, I'd like to use the F4 key to quote text in a reply, but also include the entire message below my signature with a prefix of . I've tried the %text macro below the signature, and it doesn't work. The format I'd like to use is below. Any ideals? TIA! ,- [ Desired Format ] | Hello Greg, | | I'd like to be able to quote text by selecting it and hitting F4. | | So I can use in-line quoting in my message with the entire copy of the | message below my signature. | | If the recipient does the same, then the entire discussion will always | be captured in the ongoing message. This is extremely helpful with | technical type discussion/threads. | | -- | Best regards, | | Greg Strong | | Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 | Service Pack 1 | | | Hello Greg, | | I'd like to be able to quote text by selecting it and hitting F4. In the | reply I'd like the entire message quoted below my signature. Is this | possible? | | -- | Sincerely, | | Greg Strong `- Thanks again! -- Best regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Peter, That would work except I don't use a domain address on usenet (to try to limit spam to postmaster@), but I guess this is the only way to do it. I also use a fake domain (one that doesn't exist) on usenet, and TB uses this fake domain for Msg IDs. So, for newsgroups, I use this fake domain for my Involved and Reply to me filters. Try it :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:21:31 PM, Alexander wrote: And, I beg your pardon, I'm trying to raise something like a conscience when you call it whining. Lets get ripped off over over again, we really don't deserve any better. I don't think that there will be any winners to this argument. I see TB as representing excellent value for money, and I would happily have paid the full price for the upgrade - it is still a relatively small cost for such a high quality product, and I see my registration fee as a fair return to Ritlabs for their continued investment and development of the product. At the same time, I can see the point you and others are making. If you don't feel that TB represents such good value for money, then you would not be happy with the registration/upgrade fee. I can understand this, even if I do not share it. In the end, I don't think that Ritlabs are going to change their minds, which is their right. After all, they know how much it has cost to develop TB, how much they need to get in in registration fee income, and how much they can generate from new users. The existing user-base represents a large potential source of income, and I can see why Ritlabs would want to tap this. It might seem unfair, but perhaps that is just business ecomomics. Having said that, if TB cost $150, then I would probably be arguing with you - which just shows that it is all down to perceived value! Thinking about it, Ritlabs are probably trying to save admin costs with the current upgrade policy. A system based on the date of original registration would be very costly to administer, whereas having a fixed upgrade period makes it much easier. After the end of the initial period, everyone gets a new licence, so no need to check existing serial numbers and licence keys. If this method helps to keep the cost down, then I am all for it. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System for archiving
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Adam, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:24:58 PM, you wrote: A One way to archive messages is if you have a filter to copy all A incoming messages destined for that folder, copy to another folder. If A you do this though, the archive will not indicate which messages were A read, and which not. No statuses. So, do you think that can be A achieved? A I was thinking, well a Read filter could copy messages to that same A destination folder. So then, you'd have all the messages. Plus a bunch A of duplicates. So maybe you could try going to that folder. And A clicking Kill Dupes. A I wonder if you have tried such a solution. Or have you tried some A other method to create an archive, and either succeeded or failed at A it? I archive my mailing lists using a manual filter that moves old messages to an archive folder, which is located on another drive. Dare I say, it's a bit like Outlook archive settings except I cannot automate the method. Perhaps, some day scheduler could be used to automatically run filters? My archive is separate from the main message base because I like to keep my C:\ drive small enough to fit on 3 CD/Rs. The archive folders are available from TB! too - I find it much better at managing my archive that Mailbag Assistant. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP1tVsFv+PP8p0/caEQLUOQCg7d3KtLpduKGhbk91Igrq9yGvsgQAmgJR YGaaeBljWDN4VdtRLlH4aCkG =pr+u -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
MAU, On 07-09-2003 17:52, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M I also use a fake domain (one that doesn't exist) on usenet, and TB M uses this fake domain for Msg IDs. So, for newsgroups, I use this M fake domain for my Involved and Reply to me filters. Try it :-) Yes. That would work - except what I use a real address hosted at a big ISP (@adr.dk). Since the MSID (which is that thing that can be filtered on) includes this (e.g. References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - and other people also has a MSID containing adr.dk, I don't know what to do. How do you differentiate between Involved and Reply to me filters - isn't References the only header to filter on? ,- [ On sending mail to the author ] | Sorry, your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] could not be delivered. The specific error is: | |Unable to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The remote server reported the following error: |550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [80.80.7.215] | | This is permanent error, and the message will not be retried any further. `- -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: final analysis, I'd prefer that RIT Labs spend limited resources on continuing to develop the best MUA on the planet even if that means documentation doesn't get done. I have trouble with the view that a Help file is some sort of optional extra. Information on how to use a program's features, and indeed what features are available, is in itself a vital feature. Failure to provide one is poor programming, IMO. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature requests
Hello Steve, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 8:09:21 AM, you wrote: SMK Where do we go on the web or who do we email to suggest new features? I'd SMK like a Backup option for the Scheduler Actions to automate The Bat's backups. It's already in our To-Do list together with command line switch and it will be implemented very soon because of high number of requests. :-) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
It may seem a bit rough on newer users, but it's not a major problem IMHO. The price could hardly be said to be extortionate. I have neither the patience nor the skill to work with a program that is not totally refined, or perhaps even a beta. However, I am on limited income and the half price is certainly much more reachable than the full price. Do people recommend that I obtain the download, pay for the upgrade, and remain with 1.62 until those who know far more than me have worked out the kinks? Elaine Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
If the current upgrade price of $17.50 goes to, for example, $25.00 (Personal/Private) while the full The Bat! v2 Personal/Private cost is $35.00, I would probably pay the $17.50 now rather than $25.00 later. Precisely. Not only would I, I would have to, because I will not be able to afford the full price *if* people think I need the new program later. Elaine Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 17:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets get ripped off over over again, we really don't deserve any better. I don't think that there will be any winners to this argument. That was a very sarcastic comment rather than a valuable argument and I regret writing it already. I see TB as representing excellent value for money Me too! and I would happily have paid the full price for the upgrade Maybe thats my problem (dunno;) - what *is* the full price for the upgrade? That information is missing. If the current update price of EUR 17.50 is 50% off, then the full upgrade price is EUR 35 - which is the price of a new full license - that leaves me confused and is the origin of all my angry ranting. At the same time, I can see the point you and others are making. If you don't feel that TB represents such good value for money, then you would not be happy with the registration/upgrade fee. I can understand this, even if I do not share it. As I already said - I don't mind paying the update. I do mind its limited time offer, and that all previous registrations are treated equally no matter when they were made. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) First Law of Revision: Information necessitiating a change of design will be conveyed to the designer after - and only after - the plans are complete. (Often called the 'Now They Tell Us' Law) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System tray icon
Hello Günter, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 11:10:22 AM, you wrote: GM Since installing V2, the system try icon is no longer GM animated when there's unread mail - I'm sure the bat used to GM flap in V1.62. Could it be a problem of your XP theme? -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre grabs full screen
I have tried clicking all the top rhs icons, and apart from minimising the Connection Centre to the tool bar, nothing much else happens. Is there a setting here I should be looking for? Out of curiousity, what are the icons up there? From time to time, I've had other applications hog the whole screen, but have their mazimised state set to false, but the size of the window set to the full screen. Try making sure the middle icon (max/restore) button is the picture of the single window, then try using the title bar to move the window around. You should then be able to grab the window by the corners, and resize it... I hope. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S P A M A L E R T !
Hi Avenarius, @7-Sep-2003, 17:02 +0200 (16:02 UK time) Avenarius said: Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. Not only should you check your spam filter but you should seriously question the wisdom of bouncing to a spammer, thus confirming that your address works and that they should retain it for further bombardment. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Alexander, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 5:27:07 PM, you wrote: A Maybe thats my problem (dunno;) - what *is* the full price for the A upgrade? That information is missing. If the current update price of EUR A 17.50 is 50% off, then the full upgrade price is EUR 35 - which is the A price of a new full license - that leaves me confused and is the origin of A all my angry ranting. Just to add my experience. I registered The Bat V1.x on the 8th July 2003 and paid 31.67 UK pounds including Tax for a single Business License via SoftJam in the UK. On the 2nd September I emailed SoftJam telling then when I purchased V1.X and asking them if I was entitled to a free upgrade, due to short time span since my purchase. This was the reply :- [quote] Altova are offering 50% off the price of The Bat! version 2 to all registered users of version 1. This is valid only for 2 months. They are not offering any free upgrades. The upgrade is available for ordering from our web site. [end quote] The upgrade cost me 15.80 UK pounds inc. Tax. Regards Mark -- Mark Adams | Computer Systems Acemake Computers | Network Support Taming Technology | Bespoke Programming I have read your book and much like it. - Moses Hadas (1900-1966) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Sorry, folks, have now read today's thread, realize I freaked and panicked, that some here are considering what I am considering, a buy-now, use-later. How flakey is the new release? Elaine Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S P A M A L E R T !
A Bat-fellow, Peter Meyns, wrote on Sunday, 7th September 2003 at 17:16:22 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- PM Hi Avenarius, PM on Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:33 +0200GMT (07.09.03, 17:02 +0200GMT here), PM you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : A S P A MA L E R T ! A Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. A Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. PM Avenarius, please check your spam filter! Those messages do not come from me, although my name email address are in the headers. TBUDL is the second mailing list today affected by this -- virus? I exclusively use The Bat! for posting, but as you can see in the headers of the two fake posts: X-Mailer: SMTP32 v20010131 I've no idea what that is and I've never used it. And, there are no spam filters set up anywhere on my system. This sure is interesting, as the virus/worm has even managed to pick up a message-id that *appears* as if it could come from myself. However, the message-IDs produced by The Bat! are very differently structured. Here is one from a genuine post I sent earlier today: Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fake ID goes (as you quoted it): Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another interesting aspect is that the second line of the fake message is in the Czech language (and says the same thing as the English line above it). I am in Slovakia, however, and I use a Slovak, not a Czech anti-virus product: NOD32. (This has been a longstanding Czecho-Slovak rivalry: AVG vs. NOD.) I'd be intrigued to hear anyone's comments on this affair (on TBOT, of course) in case you've encountered something similar before. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Sunday, September 7, 2003at 10:51 GMT -0500, Greg Strong [GS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GS like to use the F4 key to quote text in a reply, but also include GS the entire message below my signature ... I think the moderators will kill you. :) All kidding aside, by including the whole message in addition to your inline response, you are doubling the bandwidth. As long as you keep messages in your message base for a reasonable period of time, adding a mid reference like above seems to be more bandwidth friendly. This is especially true in mailing lists where others are using The Bat! If you need to refer to the original, I can simply click on the link above and open a copy in another window. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA X-Request-PGP: http://www.kcoates.com/0x434798B9.htm Using TB! v2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD4DBQE/W2DWRbTFvUNHmLkRAhcpAJYz143uT1//Cl/oAz34os5C5l7tAKDiIEYX /xx0DVfdG0F09rEwNqNH5Q== =aL8q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alexander, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:43:58 PM, you wrote: A 07-Sep-2003 17:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wholeheartedly agree. I started using The Bat! last November and purchased a licence soon afterwards. I paid the licence fee based on its merits at that time. A If you registered in Nov-2002 you'll get a free v2 license - at least A according to batworld.de (only in german, sorry): A http://www.batworld.de/newswriter/article.php?article_file=1062532809.txt This is news to me... not that I'm too concerned. However, it would be really helpful if someone from Ritlabs can clarify matters. A (in short, the article says that anyone who registered between Oct7 2002 A and Jan5 2003 is eligible for a free update to v2, this has been confirmed A in an email from Ritlabs to the site owner) ... a little late for me. Unless I can donate my free upgrade to someone else... M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP1thh1v+PP8p0/caEQIdjQCgjQfdFUmPF28p59bv+SlvLYOOpyEAoKzP lUx+cnyWVe9TeToS2P7xABg3 =qLzt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
A The Ritlabs site says: You're right, it appears as if the update offer will be completely gone and that is just ridiculous for a couple of reasons: - The differences between 1.62 (especially 1.63beta) and 2.0 are not that huge after all. Of course a lot changed since 1.0, but that doesn't help the users who registered in July. To make it fair they should be allowed to upgrade any time later, when 2.0 offers enough improvement for them to be worth the upgrade. And don't anyone tell me that v2 has been 75% (or completely as Ritlabs announec months or years ago) newly programmed. Some same stupid bugs persist (like the line-wrap and the consequence that you can't Ctrl-Backspace over lines) and the program looks pretty much the same - V2 is still pretty much a beta, just released to keep the announced date. I just installed it for a friend on a WinXP machine: The menu bar background stays white after having clicked on a menu, and then there were a couple of crashes (access violations), e.g. when purging folders. For more see TBBETA list. - It's something new that other companies haven't dared before. In the good old days updates where something like 20% of the price of a product. Once you bought it you had a license and the update price was relative to the percentage of new features (or something like that). Then big companies like MS came along who had to sell updates in stores and the update prices went up to 50% to 70% of the original product's price. Bad enough, but now the update availability is limited to two months while the product is not even stable. Sorry, that's too much, I'm not gonna pay it. I don't need the update now and if in a few months, when I think I'll want it, I'll have to pay the full price again, I'll just go get another email program like Mozilla. There at least I have an open developers' policy with a roadmap and multi-platform support. The advantage of The Bat are worth a price, but that's over the line, sorry. The argument that Ritlabs is a company and is free to do what they want doesn't count. Of course they can do what they want, but they have to live with the users' opionions and/or reactions to that. (no to get into the ethics stuff) I can't believe that there are people who take it for a fair option to buy the upgrade now and only start using it in a couple of months. Think about it, how ridiculous is that? Guti Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature requests
Hi, MM this is already in developers To-do AFAIK, it is not needed to add MM this to wishlist :-) Where can I see this developers To-do and how can I add new wishes? Guti Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: S P A M A L E R T !
A Bat-fellow, Marck D Pearlstone, wrote on Sunday, 7th September 2003 at 17:36:25 (GMT +0100), which was 18:36 in Bratislava -- MDP Not only should you check your spam filter but you should seriously MDP question the wisdom of bouncing to a spammer, thus confirming that MDP your address works and that they should retain it for further MDP bombardment. Well of course Marck, but as I've just explained in the other message, those posts do not come from me. The remedy for TBUDL should be easy: simply block any incoming posts whose headers contain X-Mailer: SMTP32 v20010131 (Or is there anyone among us here who uses such a thing?) -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu navigator?
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:10:11 +1000 GMT(07/09/2003, 1:10 PM + GMT), Günter Minnerup wrote: GM Since installing V2, I have a little button next to the GM close/minimise/maximise buttons calling itself Menu GM navigator. I assume it TB that put it there. I've got it with v. 1.62r - to which I'm sticking for the time being while I (try to) read all the reactions to v. 2. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 -- Best regards, myobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Etm, [E] wrote: E Sorry, folks, have now read today's thread, realize I freaked and E panicked, that some here are considering what I am considering, a E buy-now, use-later. How flakey is the new release? I wouldn't describe the new release as flakey if all you use are POP3 accounts. It's just that it's possible that the major enhancements may not interest you. These are: Full IMAP support which is completely new and apparently full of wrinkles. :) Alternative Plain Text Editor and HTML Editor. These may not interest you. PGP/MIME as well as PGP 78 support. A Scheduler. If you think you will or may have interest in these features then I strongly suggest upgrading since the current functionality from v1.62 is preserved and improved upon in some instances. Of course there'll be a few having problems as will always be the case with a major upgrade. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Max number of stored messages in a folder
I have a trash folder in which I have checked the box activating the maximum number of stored messages and have set the number to 100. It's been this way for over 24 hours. As of now that folder contains 1361 messages. It appears nothing has changed. What do I need to do to get this feature to function? -- Craig Westerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v 1.62r Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Text/HTML/PHP Editor - NoteTab Pro v 4.95 Text Organizer - Personal Knowbase v 2.1 FreeBSD - Apache - MySQL - PHP Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template?
Hello Kevin, I think the moderators will kill you. :) I don't want to use it on mail lists. This is with regard to correspondence on a programming class where discussion gets quite technical and I want to maintain prior messages for references. BTW I don't think the individuals use TB. All kidding aside, by including the whole message in addition to your inline response, you are doubling the bandwidth. NOT for mail lists. :-) As long as you keep messages in your message base for a reasonable period of time, adding a mid reference like above seems to be more bandwidth friendly. This is especially true in mailing lists where others are using The Bat! If you need to refer to the original, I can simply click on the link above and open a copy in another window. Irrelevant. See above. BTW I don't use TB JUST for mailing lists. To be honest the mail lists are another resource like this one. It provides the ability to increase my productivity with TB. So my original question still holds. -- Best regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 18:22:22, ETM (State of Virginia) wrote: Do people recommend that I obtain the download, pay for the upgrade, and remain with 1.62 until those who know far more than me have worked out the kinks? What about paying for the upgrade now, but wait with actual upgrade until the bugs are sorted out? -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ http://deepthought.ena.si/ There is an easier way to do it. -- Iles's Law Corollaries: 1. When looking directly at the easier way, especially for long periods, you will not see it. 2. Neither will Iles. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
I can't believe that there are people who take it for a fair option to buy the upgrade now and only start using it in a couple of months. Think about it, how ridiculous is that? BIG-TIME ridiculous, but I am so accustomed to being squeezed by producers of almost-anything that I react as I usually do, try to do what's best for me while being squeezed. I haven't sprung yet, I also know Mozilla is out there and doing pretty well by its users. It's just that I like TheBat! (my version) and would dislike giving it up on principle. Elaine Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hi MAU, on Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:52:36 +0200GMT (07.09.03, 17:52 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : That would work except I don't use a domain address on usenet (to try to limit spam to postmaster@), but I guess this is the only way to do it. M I also use a fake domain (one that doesn't exist) on usenet, and TB uses M this fake domain for Msg IDs. So, for newsgroups, I use this fake domain M for my Involved and Reply to me filters. Try it :-) Yes indeed. But it it is retraceable: puli.ermapper-spain.com... ;-) -- Cheers Peter The notion that this is mostly about sex is nonsense. The vast majority of our customers have little or no interest in it. ~ Steve Case, founder and chairman of AOL Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:S P A M A L E R T !
Hello Marck, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 6:36:25 PM, you wrote: @7-Sep-2003, 17:02 +0200 (16:02 UK time) Avenarius said: Email has been identified as spam !!! Message was deleted. Vami zaslana zprava byla vyhodnocena jako spam !!! Zprava byla smazana. Not only should you check your spam filter but you should seriously question the wisdom of bouncing to a spammer, thus confirming that your address works and that they should retain it for further bombardment. In addition you should also ask yourself, if the spammer actually put HIS email-addy (maybe he couldn't care less about getting replies there, because he wants you to click on a link, or notices an image being downloaded (some don't use TB! ;-)), and maybe a poor innocent guy's email addy is in the reply-to field. -- Regards, Jurgen Using The Bat! v2.00.6 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 5:49:37 PM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I can't believe that there are people who take it for a fair option to buy the upgrade now and only start using it in a couple of months. Think about it, how ridiculous is that? If you believe that Ritlabs are a private company, and are free to do what they want, then this approach seems to be sensible, as they are not likely to change their minds! You don't have to want TB v2.x now, but if you think you will after October 2003, then it is still worth paying the $17.50 now. Perhaps the people who have upgraded to v2 and paid the reduced price registration fee are getting a discount for beta-testing the full v2 release? Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
07-Sep-2003 18:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: buy-now, use-later That sounds like socialist central planned economy to me... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Questions are never indiscreet. Answers sometimes are. -- Oscar Wilde Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Max number of stored messages in a folder
Hi Craig On 7 Sep 2003 11:57:58 (my local time 18:57:58), Craig Westerman wrote: CW What do I need to do to get this feature to function? You need to do a manual 'purge compress' of that folder (it's in the folder-menu). The alternative is (when you have 'purge compress all folders on exit' enabled) to restart The Bat!... hth -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zum Antworten bitte Lederhosen entfernen If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand! Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
