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Let me get this straight - IYO it is the duty of 
America as a nation to go in and try to heal the epidemic
of violence and Aids in the Congo with what??  
Just how does the gospel of the Kingdom cover a situation
such as this?  
jt
 
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:09:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Why? It is the gospel of the kingdom, that's 
  why.
  
From: Judy Taylor 
 
Lance why are you so busy judging nations?  
The Lord is the one who will take care of that in His time.
We are supposed to be examining ourselves to see if 
WE are in the faith so that we will be on the right side
when He returns.   jt
 
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:18:23 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  If this was a source of oil Kevin, your 
  country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 
 
These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
million fatalities since the crisis began in August
 
Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When 
  (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be 
  faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 
  'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland 
  security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand 
  thingy, Iz.
   
  You want serious? I'll give you serious! 
  Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die 
  every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of 
  these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of 
  age.  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
  million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end 
  of April 2004.  This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other 
  conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll 
  exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 
  dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
  (70,000)
   
  Despite this, the international community 
  has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis.  
  During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its 
  activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the 
  United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have 
  declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003.  "No other recent 
  confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain 
  elevated at an alarming level.  In spite of these unambiguous 
  facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary 
  will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the 
  latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based 
  International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
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Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried 
and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its 
McCarthy.  Get a new, but more creative insult please.  
Izzy
 




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So then Kevin, in 
 Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans 
proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well 
enough! I'd have though as 
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2005-06-04 Thread Terry Clifton





Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  
  Where they hacked to death by other
believers in their church services JD?  If they are christians then I
rejoice
  with them that they are now at a better
place. Do you think God expects every believer to be responsible for
  every other believer no matter in
what country in the world JD?  Should we hire the CIA to keep us up
with what is
  going on?
   

==
To hear that brothers and sisters in Christ are being killed for no
other reason but that they worship the true God, and then say "That's
not my problem" is about as cold hearted and unloving as anything you
could say, Judy.  I generally agree somewhat with what you say, but you
are way off base this time.  I suggest you get on your knees and beg
God to help these brothers and sisters.
Terry

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I have no idea what is going on in the Congo Terry, and 
I suggest that you don't either.  Not really.  I've had enough going 
on here in my own home for the past two weeks to keep 
me more than busy.  I'm sorry you think I am cold
hearted and unloving but I still need the 
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do something 
when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you think He is able to 
put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is what it would take?  
jt
 
 
Terry writes:
To hear that brothers and sisters in Christ are being killed for no other 
reason but that they worship the true God, and then say "That's not my problem" 
is about as cold hearted and unloving as anything you could say, Judy.  I 
generally agree somewhat with what you say, but you are way off base this 
time.  I suggest you get on your knees and beg God to help these brothers 
and sisters.  Terry
 
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:25:54 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Judy Taylor wrote: 
  
Where they hacked to death by other believers in 
their church services JD?  If they are christians then I rejoice 
with them that they are now at a better place. Do 
you think God expects every believer to be responsible for every other believer no matter in what country in the 
world JD?  Should we hire the CIA to keep us up with what is 
going on?
 ==

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2005-06-04 Thread knpraise


 They ( Then)  why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor .  Well, this is perhaps the most upsetting of my discussions here on TT.   I really have nothing more to say.  
 
We have virtually nothing in common.  You will not believe me, but I am going to think about what has just happened, do some praying  (part of it will be "intercessory" as we call it in the land of the Charismata)  and return.  
 
John Smithson


 
 
 
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:54:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What I believe, Judy, is that your response is one of the more bazaar comments entertained here on TT.   
In my book, David's " children sent to hell " comment is number 1;  
 
jt: What on earth are you talking about JD - Solomon?
 
this is number 2, for the time being.  You ask a question to which the answer would have absolutely no meaning to you  -- so why ask?   I mean, dead is dead  -- right?  
 
jt: I have no idea what you are referring to or talking about - what was the question?
 
We are not going to even entertain a benevolent emotion because they are better off dead anyway!!!   
 
jt: Your words not mine and again, I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to.
 
 That is not only nasty but gross and disgusting.   Yeah  !!!    It most definitely is not the widom of God.   On one hand we beat the banner for action in Iraq.   I am one who, thus far, thinks intervention in Iraq is a good thing.   But, for me, we should be there for the same reasons we should be in Durfar and the Congo and so on.   The fact that we are not in the Congo or Durfar is evidence , to me, that humanitarian concerns had nothing to do with our going to Iraq.   I believe that the people of that country benefitted from our hypocricy anyway. 
 
jt: It's good that you have opinions about all this JD.  I don't since I am not in the position to know all details
I leave that to the ppl God has placed in authority - the ones who make these kinds of decisions.
 
A position that ignores the blight of the poor and hungry finds people without a divine awareness, per Is 58:9-11.  
 
jt: They why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor among them? I guess he
must have been void of divine awareness also.
 
What is critical in the Is 58 passage is the fact that the disciple is pictured as one who is searching for God, but finding Him only when a number of realities are entertained in his life  -   not the lest of which is the outpouring for the hungre and and afflicted.   Jd
 
jt: No JD; it is dealing with the sin in their lives as a whole - it is not playing God to the whole globe.  jt

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2005-06-04 Thread Terry Clifton





Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  
  
  I have no idea what is going on in the
Congo Terry, and I suggest that you don't either.  Not really.  I've
had enough going on here in my own home
for the past two weeks to keep me more than busy.  I'm sorry you
think I am cold
  hearted and unloving but I still need the
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do
something when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you
think He is able to put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is
what it would take?  jt

===

Let me ask a question, Judy.  Do you pray about your problems at home,
or has the Holy Spirit not led you to do that?

   
   I have a friend there who is a missionary in Africa, Judy.  His
parents are in our home church.   Let me suggest that I know what goes
on there and since there is nothing else I can do, I pray about it. 
Let me also suggest that you do not want to know about the troubles of
others, part of the reason being that you have your own problems to
deal with.
  

If you ever solve those problems at home, you might want to read about
the good Samaritan.  Jesus will point out plainly to you just who is
your neighbor.  The Pharisees could not entertain the thought of God
loving some some foriegner as much as He loved them.  They weren't
about to love some stranger as they loved themselves.  I hope that is
not the case with you, 'cause it was sin then and it is sin now.

I am sorry that I saw you as cold hearted and unloving too.  It was a
big disappointment.
Terry

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:37:43 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Judy Taylor wrote: 
  
I have no idea what is going on in the Congo Terry, 
and I suggest that you don't either.  Not really.  I've had enough 
going on here in my own home for the past two 
weeks to keep me more than busy.  I'm sorry you think I am 
cold
hearted and unloving but I still need the 
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do 
something when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you think 
He is able to put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is what it 
would take?  jt
  ===Let 
  me ask a question, Judy.  Do you pray about your problems at home, or has 
  the Holy Spirit not led you to do that?
   
  Yes Terry, I pray and seek the Lord about what goes 
  on in my home, my family, and my community.
   I have a friend there who is a missionary in Africa, Judy.  
  His parents are in our home church.   Let me suggest that I know 
  what goes on there and since there is nothing else I can do, I pray about 
  it.  Let me also suggest that you do not want to know about the troubles 
  of others, part of the reason being that you have your own problems to deal 
  with.
   
  The Congo is one nation and Africa is a big landmass 
  Terry; the church we attend has missionaries in several
  of these and some have been to our church to tell in 
  person how they had to leave their home and belongings
  for reasons of safety. They had testimonies of grace; 
  God was there for them even without my prayers as surprising as that may 
  be.
  If you ever solve those problems at home, you might want to read about 
  the good Samaritan.  Jesus will point out plainly to you just who is your 
  neighbor.  
   
  Yeah! I've read it lots of times Terry and my 
  neighbor is the guy who was robbed and thrown in a ditch down the street, not 
  over on another continent.  My mother in Australia is always lamenting 
  the fact that I can't do much for her in her old age because I live here and 
  when there are problems and she does not have access to a telephone I am at 
  the mercy of those who are there in 
  person.
   
  The Pharisees could not entertain the thought of God loving some some 
  foriegner as much as He loved them.  They weren't about to love some 
  stranger as they loved themselves.  I hope that is not the case with you, 
  'cause it was sin then and it is sin now.
   
  I hope you are not judging me Terry because that is 
  every bit as much a sin.  Jesus said to "judge with righteous 
  judgment"I am sorry that I saw you as cold hearted and unloving 
  too.  It was a big disappointment.Terry

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I agree Kevin that preaching and teaching the gospel of 
the Kingdom is the answer but I don't think this is the
kind of help Lance refers to since this is not 
primarily the ministry of the US Government.  jt
 
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Go into all the world and.Judy Taylor 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  

Let me get this straight - IYO it is the duty of 
America as a nation to go in and try to heal the epidemic of violence and Aids in the Congo with what??  Just how 
does the gospel of the Kingdom cover a situation such as this?  jt
 
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:09:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Why? It is the gospel of the kingdom, that's 
  why.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 
 
Lance why are you so busy judging 
nations?  The Lord is the one who will take care of that in His 
time.  We are supposed to be examining 
ourselves to see if WE are in the faith so that we will be on the right 
side when He returns.   
jt
 
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:18:23 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  If this was a source of oil Kevin, your 
  country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 
 
These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
million fatalities since the crisis began in August
 
Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? 
  When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! 
  Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the 
  great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like 
  homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head 
  in the sand thingy, Iz.
   
  You want serious? I'll give you 
  serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand 
  people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and 
  nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under 
  five years of age.  These deaths add daily to the cumulative 
  total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 
  1998 to the end of April 2004.  This makes the DRC conflict 
  worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in 
  terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and 
  Darfur in Sudan (70,000)
   
  Despite this, the international 
  community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the 
  crisis.  During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the 
  United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while 
  contributions by the United Sates Agency for International 
  Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when 
  compared with 2003.  "No other recent confllict has claimed 
  as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming 
  level.  In spite of these unambiguous facts, the 
  international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will 
  or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the 
  latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based 
  International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
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14:27
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Oh, 
good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those 
old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt 
Hitler its McCarthy.  Get a new, but more creative 
insult please.  Izzy
 




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2005-06-05 Thread knpraise


  

Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd

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2005-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily




The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd

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2005-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily




By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this 
weekend was "Watergrave" by Atomic Opera.  Definitely the most passionate, 
moving musical _expression_ about baptism that I have ever heard.  It reminds 
you what it really takes to be a "new man".  Izzy


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The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd

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2005-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily




http://www.atomicopera.com/  


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By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this 
weekend was "Watergrave" by Atomic Opera.  Definitely the most passionate, 
moving musical _expression_ about baptism that I have ever heard.  It reminds 
you what it really takes to be a "new man".  Izzy


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The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd

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2005-06-05 Thread knpraise


Oh, absolutely, my dear and if Deegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life  --  not to mention everyone elses.  
 
God In Peace
 
JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:03:30 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



  

Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd

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JD you must be under some stress. Your rambling in your posts lately.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 They ( Then)  why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor .  Well, this is perhaps the most upsetting of my discussions here on TT.   I really have nothing more to say.  
 
We have virtually nothing in common.  You will not believe me, but I am going to think about what has just happened, do some praying  (part of it will be "intercessory" as we call it in the land of the Charismata)  and return.  
 
John Smithson


 
 
 
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:54:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What I believe, Judy, is that your response is one of the more bazaar comments entertained here on TT.   
In my book, David's " children sent to hell " comment is number 1;  
 
jt: What on earth are you talking about JD - Solomon?
 
this is number 2, for the time being.  You ask a question to which the answer would have absolutely no meaning to you  -- so why ask?   I mean, dead is dead  -- right?  
 
jt: I have no idea what you are referring to or talking about - what was the question?
 
We are not going to even entertain a benevolent emotion because they are better off dead anyway!!!   
 
jt: Your words not mine and again, I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to.
 
 That is not only nasty but gross and disgusting.   Yeah  !!!    It most definitely is not the widom of God.   On one hand we beat the banner for action in Iraq.   I am one who, thus far, thinks intervention in Iraq is a good thing.   But, for me, we should be there for the same reasons we should be in Durfar and the Congo and so on.   The fact that we are not in the Congo or Durfar is evidence , to me, that humanitarian concerns had nothing to do with our going to Iraq.   I believe that the people of that country benefitted from our hypocricy anyway. 
 
jt: It's good that you have opinions about all this JD.  I don't since I am not in the position to know all details
I leave that to the ppl God has placed in authority - the ones who make these kinds of decisions.
 
A position that ignores the blight of the poor and hungry finds people without a divine awareness, per Is 58:9-11.  
 
jt: They why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor among them? I guess he
must have been void of divine awareness also.
 
What is critical in the Is 58 passage is the fact that the disciple is pictured as one who is searching for God, but finding Him only when a number of realities are entertained in his life  -   not the lest of which is the outpouring for the hungre and and afflicted.   Jd
 
jt: No JD; it is dealing with the sin in their lives as a whole - it is not playing God to the whole globe.  jt
 
   
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I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
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Silence is golden.
 So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
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Total Immersion!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd
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Your some example addictions and all.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Oh, absolutely, my dear and if Deegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life  --  not to mention everyone elses.  
 
God In Peace
 
JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:03:30 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.
 
 
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd
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2005-06-05 Thread knpraise


The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise:  you preach "silence is golden"  but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.  conclusion:      you do not practice what you preach.  
 
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  

Silence is golden.
 So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
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preach "silence is golden" 
 
There you go misqouting again (your fav S&M - short for Straw Man, getting tired of typing all this S&M stuff since I strained my right hand, lifting a finger, and now have to type everything with just my left hand)
 
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The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise:  you preach "silence is golden"  but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.  conclusion:      you do not practice what you preach.  
 
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  

Silence is golden.
 So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
Jd
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2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor




Wrong premise always leads to wrong conclusion.  
jt
 
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:15:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise:  you preach 
  "silence is golden"  but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage 
  to say nothing of consequence.  conclusion:      
  you do not practice what you preach.  
   
  Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
  Quiz
  

  
  I do practice what I preach 
  You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service
  
  But I keep under my body, and bring it into 
  subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself 
  should be a castaway.
  Are those addictions under control yet?
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


  

Silence is golden.
 So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
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Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan

Since JD will not speak on his practice I can not see if his speech matches up.
Everytime we get to the question of what he has done, we get NADA
 
Remember when he was preaching about the importance of Discipleship?
I asked who he has discipled
 
ANS: ___
 
 
Silence really is golden
 
watch out for the rocks
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wrong premise always leads to wrong conclusion.  jt
 
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:15:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise:  you preach "silence is golden"  but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.  conclusion:      you do not practice what you preach.  
 
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  

Silence is golden.
 So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
 
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2005-06-03 Thread Judy Taylor





Well put - thanks so much Christine. I believe the same 
about truncated gospels.
God will use whatever is available to get a person's 
attention but this does not mean He validates
the object used.  Grace and Peace, 
judyt
 
 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> 
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His> word in all its 
translations, including the NIV with> its errors and sodomite commitee 
members. I have found> that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors 
the> NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many> college 
students by my side use the translation. These> friends of mine have led 
people to Christ with the NIV> Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can 
and does use> the errant translations.> > But just because 
the Holy Spirit is able to use any> translation does not mean that any 
and every> translation retains merit. God can use evil for good,> 
as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. > > Whether or not God can use 
a translation doesn't clear> up a translation's flaws.> > 
Blessings!> > (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend 
and> the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up> to 
your eye balls. :-) ) > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
> > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God> > 
is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> > His (God's) Words 
do not return void. Take care,> > Kevin, not confuse your role with 
that of the Spirit> > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN 
THROUGH> > THE KJV! Just imagine!> > > > Speaking 
of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see> > every believer at once 
on the entire globe. Imagine> > them to be lit up like a little light. 
Then, imagine> > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion 
thereof)> > they had with them. How many of them do you 
believe> > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> > 
remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> > observation.> 
>   - Original Message - > >   From: 
Kevin Deegan > >   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
> >   Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> >   
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > > 
> >   the work of Catholic scholars > > > 
>   It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> > 
their head.> > > >   The UBS text used for the 
Moderne Bibles:> >   Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini 
(1927- ) is> > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 
1967,> > has been one of the editors of the United Bible> > 
Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> > is the largest 
in the world, with two thousand> > priests and five million "laity." 
He is Professor of> > New Testament Textual Criticism at the 
Pontifical> > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President 
of> > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time> 
> magazine, article reported that Martini brought> > together a 
syncretistic convocation of over 100> > religious leaders from around 
the world to promote a> > new age, one-world religion. In addressing 
this> > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to> > 
synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will> > universalize 
that religion for the world and lead us> > into a new age."> 
>   Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New> > 
Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition> > 1962 was the 
first Protestant annotated edition of> > the Bible to be approved by a 
Roman authority. It> > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal 
Cushing,> > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts> > > 
>   HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the> > 
blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible> > translation. Nida 
was the Executive Secretary of the> > Translations Department of the 
United Bible> > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of> 
> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's> > revelation 
involved limitations. ... Biblical> > revelation is not absolute and 
all divine revelation> > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a 
truth is> > given only in words, it has no real validity until> 
> it has been translated into life. ... The words are> > in a sense 
nothing in and of themselves. ... the> > word is void unless related 
to experience" (Nida,> > Message and Mission, p. 222-228).> 
> > >   Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration 
(i.e.,> > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the> > 
text), which the or

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2005-06-03 Thread Judy Taylor




Could we be in the midst of the "great falling away" 
that has been prophesied?
Gaining entrance to the Kingdom is one thing, being 
able to receive strong meat and to stand is another.
I sure wouldn't presume anything including your 
fascination with so called "Book worship." You sound more
like a bibliophile than anyone else writing to TT at 
present.     jtLance Muir 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've 
done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to 
the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself 
have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The 
reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from 
a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of 
you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing 
to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. 

  From: Kevin Deegan 
   
  The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not 
  possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS 
  utters lies!
   
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
   
   Tell me what you make of that 
  observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible 
  that is based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the 
Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His 
(God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your 
role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN 
THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!
 
Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself 
able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to 
be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the 
Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you 
believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. 
Tell me what you make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
      
      Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
   
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
   
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the 
  Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 
  1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies 
  Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the 
  world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is 
  Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical 
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of 
  European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article 
  reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic 
  convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the 
  world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In 
  addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to 
  synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will 
  universalize that religion for the world and 
  lead us into a new age."
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 
  1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated 
  edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman 
  authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by 
  Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
  HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the 
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was 
  the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United 
  Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical 
  inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved 
  limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute 
  and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... 
  Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until 
  it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense 
  nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless 
  related to experience" (Nida

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2005-05-31 Thread Lance Muir




Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant 
but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
  Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
  Quiz
  
  Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a 
  bitch."
  NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
  NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
   
  Another beauty:
  TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is 
  talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
   
  Then of course their is the New World translation that 
  is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  IFF 
God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe 
most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly 
domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need 
bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, 
see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the 
bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" 
Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] 
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and 
thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have 
posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David 
Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE 
QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International 
Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the following questions. Do not rely on 
your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> 
take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but 
from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the 
missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them 
that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray 
forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According 
to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> 
type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to 
earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first 
name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His 
garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy 
what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 
3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and 
to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
hear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, 
carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 
9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did 
the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did 
He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with 
Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was 
thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did 
they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very 
important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this 
verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened 
each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day 
did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one 
requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 
9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 
20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What 
wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain 
command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 
22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New 
Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was 
manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First 
Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we 
Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First 
John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that 
proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus 
said, "I am the A__> and O___ , the _ and the 
___:">> Conclusion: Little space is provided for your 
answers, but it's much more> than needed. If you followed the 
instructions above, you not only failedthe> test, you receive a 
big goose egg. So now what do you think of your> "accurate, 
easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these 25 questions> haven't

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2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Deegan

How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the following questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A__> and O___ , the _ and the ___:">> Conclusion: Little space is
 provided for your answers, but it's much more> than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failedthe> test, you receive a big goose egg. So now what do you think of your> "accurate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these 25 questions> haven't served to show you that the NIV is a very inferior Bible, based ona> very inferior Greek text, write me and I'll make up another quiz with 25> more questions, or 250, if you wish; but you will still flunk the text. If> you would

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2005-05-31 Thread knpraise


Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll
owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h
ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8.
 What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A_

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JD says Whats the problem??
 
Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in Fir

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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In J

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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -----Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet

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If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR.   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??
 
Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-
8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New

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JD says a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old 
 
 2005
-1611

394 is not nearly 300!
 
JD had a MATH'0'glycemic attack again![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -----Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave t

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What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR.   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??
 
Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6- 8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief ca

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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a reb

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As I have said before  -- right about now, if the tables were reversed, you would be calling me a liar.  And, once again, a post with aboslutely no redeeming value.
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR.   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??
 
Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4

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z  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From:

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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JD

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
   
   
  Back to an issue of substance.
   
   
  Law and faith
   
  It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based
upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you
have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' 
he is withdrawn from despite the
  possibility other areas of his
life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is
that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who
murders a child.    Guilt is
guilt.   
   
  Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope
because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking
about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his
addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all
that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling
himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued
fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and
communion,   he can be saved from the ravages
of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the
final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
   
  JD
  
  


Seems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light
with darkness?"
"course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused
for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually
gives them the power to overcome.
Terry

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Facts are stubborn things!
 
The issue is The Newe Bibles are corrupt. They have been tampered with. They teach False DOCTRINE and are filled with outright Lies!
 
As usual you just Mistype your FALSE assertions 
Since you can not back them up, you AVOID the issue.
This happens every time you run out of Straw Men!
 
It is no wonder that your doctrine is so messed up after all you use the same bible as JW's!
z 
 
Is your TYPOglycemia stuck?
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z  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared a

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Doctrine from your JW Bible?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 
Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JD
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JD, we have a very talented man in our
congregation who struggles with alcoholism.  He is welcomed to fellowship
and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with
many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the
church.  He understands and accepts this willingly.  Hopefully he
will overcome and one day return to a leadership position.  OTOH, if he
rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into
fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to
repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped
receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think.  No one looks down on
the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing.  I don’t
know the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return
to leadership, but I do know the pastors hold him accountable in love. I look
forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy

 









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Back to an issue of substance.





 





 





Law and faith





 





It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based
upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this 
--   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course)
continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility
other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the
curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as
one who murders a child. 
  Guilt is guilt.   





 





Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given
hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am
talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his
conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a
recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives
equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the
Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to
leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing
sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final
consequence.   Praise the Lord.





 





JD

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Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her
 addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: 



 
 
Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry

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z
When you have something worthwhile to discuss, count me in.  
 
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Facts are stubborn things!
 
The issue is The Newe Bibles are corrupt. They have been tampered with. They teach False DOCTRINE and are filled with outright Lies!
 
As usual you just Mistype your FALSE assertions 
Since you can not back them up, you AVOID the issue.
This happens every time you run out of Straw Men!
 
It is no wonder that your doctrine is so messed up after all you use the same bible as JW's!
z 
 
Is your TYPOglycemia stuck?
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most ce

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"a host of scholars and translation committees" 
Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee  http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm
 

"the work of Catholic scholars "
The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake!
 
NOT ONE CATHOLIC
The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell 
The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing 
The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough 
The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar 
The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson 
The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft 
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
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How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
 
Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characte

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I do believe that leaders in the church should have their act together --  to a greater degree than most, after all they are "leaders."    Your describption below is commedable.  Hopefully, there are those within your church who have partnered with this man and are a part of his live.   
 
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JD, we have a very talented man in our congregation who struggles with alcoholism.  He is welcomed to fellowship and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the church.  He understands and accepts this willingly.  Hopefully he will overcome and one day return to a leadership position.  OTOH, if he rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think.  No one looks down on the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing.  I don’t know the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return to leadership, but I do know the pastors hold
 him accountable in love. I look forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy
 




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Back to an issue of substance.

 

 

Law and faith

 

It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   

 

Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.

 

JD

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JD says what IS sin?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages
 sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good people there.  I bet I can find a sodomite  in your church, Kevin.  Or maybe an alcholic or two  --  if I were a weaker person, you would certainly drive me to drink.  
 
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"a host of scholars and translation committees" 
Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee  http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm
 

"the work of Catholic scholars "
The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake!
 
NOT ONE CATHOLIC
The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell 
The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing 
The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough 
The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar 
The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson 
The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30:

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I don't sweat it  -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my sins have created.  Ditto for you, if you want to take advantage of the gift !!!   And  --  is this the only definition you have for "sin." 
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




JD says what IS sin?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her
 addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: 



 
 
Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry
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  sin is sin  --  but what IS
sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the
law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called
to help.   

 

How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are
in direct conflict with God’s Word:

 

1
John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.





 





Management is a RECOVERY tool   --  
not a teaching that encourages
sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified
time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat
people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than
one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of
gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive
behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone
their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize
the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   





 

“Management” of sin is still
sin.  Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of
heroine still leaves you an addict.  Longer periods between incidents of
adultery still leaves you with an adulterer.  Gluttons are still gluttons
between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies.  No one has “healthy
aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”. 
A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he
needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own
for good.  Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin
management.  Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage”
it.   Izzy

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Freudian slip, JD?  Iz









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Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic
school  -   lost of good
people there.  





 





JD

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JD, maybe YOU have all the time in the
world to solve the problems your sins have created, but what about EVERYONE
ELSE they affect? Iz

 











 







I don't sweat it  -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my
sins have created.  





 





JD

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A couple of the pastors are close to him. 
I didn’t see him at church at all for a long time, but have been encouraged
that he was there recently.  Iz

 









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I do believe that leaders in the church should have their
act together --  to a greater degree than most, after all they are
"leaders."    Your describption below is
commedable.  Hopefully, there are those within your church who have
partnered with this man and are a part of his live.   





 





JD



 
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JD, we have a very talented man in our
congregation who struggles with alcoholism.  He is welcomed to fellowship
and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with
many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the
church.  He understands and accepts this willingly.  Hopefully he
will overcome and one day return to a leadership position.  OTOH, if he
rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into
fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to
repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped
receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think.  No one looks down on
the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing.  I don’t know
the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return to
leadership, but I do know the pastors hold him accountable in love. I look
forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy





 













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Back to an issue of substance.









 









 









Law and faith









 









It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based
upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this 
--   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course)
continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility
other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the
curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as
one who murders a child. 
  Guilt is guilt.   









 









Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given
hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am
talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his
conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a
recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives
equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the
Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave)
prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing
sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final
consequence.   Praise the Lord.









 









JD

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2005-06-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I 
frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I 
guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and 
Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you 
can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.


Peryr


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Freudian slip, JD?  Iz

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Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good
people there.



JD




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The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that
though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we
die to self.  My old self cursed and hated with the best of them.  I
drank from two to four six packs a day.  I lusted in my heart.  I
dipped snuff and defiled my body.   But when I died to self, that stuff
went, and it did not go gradually.  When Jesus says, "You are
forgiven.  Go and sin no more",  only the most selfish persons could
consider what Christ did for them and not  respond in obedience. 
 I know that.  It is a fact.  I have never been more certain of
anything in my life.

Terry



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  Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is
sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a
violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people
we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
   
  For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An
operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had
to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.  
What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has
increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful
as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their
besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by
a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin"
might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.
   But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a
teaching that encourages
sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified
time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect
there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose)
victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management
teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and
encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects
of their lives with God.   
   
 
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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists
in the crowd argue for the
banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. 
What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and
(of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are
improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a
speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope
because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking
about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his
addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all
that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling
himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued
fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and
communion,   he can be saved from the ravages
of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the
final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JD


  

Seems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light
with darkness?"
"course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused
for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually
gives them the power to overcome.
Terry

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Sometimes the typos are too good to ignore! "-) Iz

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Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I 
frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I 
guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and 
Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you 
can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.

Peryr

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Even if we had 2 SODOMites in our church I would not use a SODOMite Bible! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good people there.  I bet I can find a sodomite  in your church, Kevin.  Or maybe an alcholic or two  --  if I were a weaker person, you would certainly drive me to drink.  
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:48:19 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



"a host of scholars and translation committees" 
Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee  http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm
 

"the work of Catholic scholars "
The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake!
 
NOT ONE CATHOLIC
The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell 
The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing 
The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough 
The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar 
The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson 
The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft 
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
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How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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jd saz
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Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
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what IS sin?  
What IS is?
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  sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.   
 
How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with Gods Word:
 
1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   

 
Management of sin is still sin.  Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict.  Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer.  Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies.  No one has healthy aspects of their lives with God, when they are managing sin.  A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good.  Only Christ can set us free from besetting sinsnot sin management.  Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to manage it.   Izzy__Do You
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Freudian slip, JD?  Iz




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Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good people there.  

 

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I don't sweat it 
 
If you do NOT DO what you know is right, it is SIN
Plain & simple. BUT you already knew that, you want to obscure it so you can claim ignorance. "What is Sin?"
 
The MIINISTER of Questions (1 Tim 1:4) reminds me of:
JN 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? 
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I don't sweat it  -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my sins have created.  Ditto for you, if you want to take advantage of the gift !!!   And  --  is this the only definition you have for "sin." 
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




JD says what IS sin?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages
 sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons.  Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry
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Yes I understand what he meant to TYPO.
Just seems more than usual.Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.Peryr>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>To: >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz>Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500>>>>Freudian slip, JD? Iz>> _>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM>To:
 TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz>>>>Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good>people there.>>>>JD>--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Even if we had 2 SODOMites in our church I would not use
a SODOMite Bible! 
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -  
lost of good people there.  I bet I can find a sodomite  in your
church, Kevin.  Or maybe an alcholic or two  --  if I were a weaker
person, you would certainly drive me to drink.  
 


  
  

===
There is one Church.  It belongs to Jesus, and there are no sodomites
in it.  Perhaps y'all are talking about congregations or buildings?

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Kevin Deegan wrote:

  jd saz
  z 
  
  
  Zech 7:11 But they refused to
hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears,
that they should not hear.
  You are so Biblical!
  
  



ROFL, or as Izzy would say, J

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Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html
 
JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.
 
AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
 
WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!
 
Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING
 
WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
 
DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
 
REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."
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I am missing two fingers on my right hand.   When I get to typing --  stuff happens.  
 
But no, it is not a Freudian slip -- it was a typo.    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:27:44 -0700Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.  Peryr  >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 > > > >Freudian slip, JD? Iz > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > >Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good >people there. > > > >JD >  -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

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Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot?   There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin  (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission  when we should be doing something and we choose not to.   Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence.   Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this  -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I   -   and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of  view, not to mention the practical argument.  Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains 
encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing  battle against sin  -  letters written to those who are in the family of God.  
 
 
JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self.  My old self cursed and hated with the best of them.  I drank from two to four six packs a day.  I lusted in my heart.  I dipped snuff and defiled my body.   But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually.  When Jesus says, "You are forgiven.  Go and sin no more",  only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not  respond in obedience.  I know that.  It is a fact.  I have never been more certain of anything in my life.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: 



Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her
 addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong.  Possibly continuous sin should be excused

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jd saz
z 

Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the bl

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I guess I could do the same with you all  --  just not interested in the little things like should be.  
 
Jd  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:51:20 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Sometimes the typos are too good to ignore! "-) Iz

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Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I 
frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I 
guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and 
Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you 
can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.

Peryr

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>
>Freudian slip, JD?  Iz
>
>   _
>
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>
>Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good
>people there.
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>JD
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this subject is truly a waste of time.   I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in  print today.  
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html
 
JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.
 
AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
 
WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!
 
Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING
 
WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
 
DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
 
REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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2005-06-02 Thread Terry Clifton





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  Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop
immediately but other types of sin cannot?   There are addictions,
character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the
foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin  (selfishness is a sin but it is not an
event). There are sins of omission  when we should be doing something
and we choose not to.   Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in
influence.   Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that
there is absolutely no alternative to this  -- that those who disagree
share a much narrower definition of sin than I   -   and I believe I have a sound biblical
argument for my point of  view, not to mention the practical argument. 
Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures
contains encouragement to the
saints regarding the continuing  battle against sin  -  letters
written to those who are in the family of God.  
   
   
  JD
  
  

Possibly I should have pointed out that I believe that there is a vast
difference between an unintentional slip, as when you drop a brick on
your toe and hop around yelling, "oh excrement", and when you
deliberately do something you know is a sin and continue in that sin
anyway.  The Lord , I am certain, sees it the same way, or that long
list of drunks and queers and gossips and others who love their sin
more than they love the Lord would not be in the Book.  The difference
is a temporary reminder that we must keep our minds fixed on Him as
opposed to living in the flesh.  The response to the first , for a
Christian, is immediate repentance, while the response of the second is
much like the story of the rich young ruler.  He wanted Jesus on his
terms.  So does everyone on that list.  So do your addicts.

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2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke


John,

  I have to agree. I otherwise might not agree, but I met a man who came 
with his wfe to a Bible study I was in some years ago. He was raised in a 
home in which his mother and father were involved in drugs from before he 
was born. He would go with them to make buys, and witness them use the drugs 
for as long as he could rememeber. He was never taught that this was wrong. 
so he grew up pretty much seeing this as normal, and at a very early age 
beginning to do the same. He was in his early 30's when I met him, and had 
already spent considerable time in prison for various drug related offenses.


  From his testamony, and his apparent love for the Lord,, I believe that 
he was in the fold, but occasionally had times of relapse when he would get 
drawn back in to the drug culture. Last I heard he was doing hard time at 
Corcoran Pen. I have never stop believing that he was and still is saved 
continues in a state of salvation through God's grace, although he is unable 
to totally kick the habits he grew up with as being normal. Who knows, but 
what God may be using him in some way I do not understand, perhaps to reach 
men inside the prison walls that would not otherwise hear the gospel.


Perry


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Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately 
but other types of sin cannot?   There are addictions, character failures 
such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are 
listed as sin  (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are 
sins of omission  when we should be doing something and we choose not to.   
Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence.   Some may never 
be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no 
alternative to this  -- that those who disagree share a much narrower 
definition of sin than I   -   and I believe I have a sound biblical 
argument for my point of  view, not to mention the practical argument.  
Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains 
encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing  battle against sin  
-  letters written to those who are in the family of God.



JD

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The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though 
growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. 
 My old self cursed and hated with the best of them.  I drank from two to 
four six packs a day.  I lusted in my heart.  I dipped snuff and defiled my 
body.   But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go 
gradually.  When Jesus says, "You are forgiven.  Go and sin no more",  only 
the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not  
respond in obedience.
 I know that.  It is a fact.  I have never been more certain of anything 
in my life.


Terry



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Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but 
what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the 
law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to 
help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.


For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation 
is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to 
work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is 
this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is 
becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto 
with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have 
them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one 
is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of 
license.But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   
not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to 
postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time 
is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on 
this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction 
of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive 
behavior (ala "sin")  and encour
ages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize 
the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.



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those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I
Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition?
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Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot?   There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin  (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission  when we should be doing something and we choose not to.   Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence.   Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this  -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I   -   and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of  view, not to mention the practical argument.  Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing  battle against sin  -  letters written to those who are in the family of God.  
 
 
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The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self.  My old self cursed and hated with the best of them.  I drank from two to four six packs a day.  I lusted in my heart.  I dipped snuff and defiled my body.   But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually.  When Jesus says, "You are forgiven.  Go and sin no more",  only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not  respond in obedience.  I know that.  It is a fact.  I have never been more certain of anything in my life.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: 



Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.   
 
For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one is.  I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.    But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages
 sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   
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Back to an issue of substance.
 
 
Law and faith
 
It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin.  What I mean is this  --   if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'  he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving.   Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.    Guilt is guilt.   
 
Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue.   And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct.   If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship  (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion,   he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin.   Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence.   Praise the Lord.
 
JDSeems that I remember

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When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him
Seems you have the same "religious" spirit.
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jd saz
z 

Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God d

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  My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness."
 
  But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin."   
 
I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su..   Here, sin is more than an event.     
 
Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !!
 
And what do I mean by saying what I said  -  that sin is not against the law?  No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help.  What was sin in Abraham's day  --   before the law?   Before the existence of the Law?   Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator   --   but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related     (again) because there was a time when there is no law.   I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all  --   I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin.  That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love  (the love of God or the love of the brethren.)  Love is a life style&nb
sp; -  it is something that you practice.   
 
JD
 
 
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  sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.   
 
How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word:
 
1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   

 
“Management” of sin is still sin.  Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict.  Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer.  Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies.  No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”.  A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good.  Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management.  Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it.   Izzy<
/DIV>

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I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



this subject is truly a waste of time.   I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in  print today.  
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html
 
JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.
 
AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
 
WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!
 
Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING
 
WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
 
DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
 
REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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Call me crazy but I call it a QUESTION !
 
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those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I
Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition?

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My Bible of choice is the NASV 
 
Same bible as the NWT (JW bible)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 
  My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness."
 
  But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin."   
 
I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su..   Here, sin is more than an event.     
 
Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !!
 
And what do I mean by saying what I said  -  that sin is not against the law?  No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help.  What was sin in Abraham's day  --   before the law?   Before the existence of the Law?   Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator   --   but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related     (again) because there was a time when there is no law.   I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all  --   I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin.  That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love  (the love of God or the
 love of the brethren.)  Love is a life style&nb sp; -  it is something that you practice.   
 
JD
 
 
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  sin is sin  --  but what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help.   
 
How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word:
 
1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin")  and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.   

 
“Management” of sin is still sin.  Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict.  Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer.  Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies.  No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”.  A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good.  Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management.  Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it.   Izzy< /DIV>
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When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him
Seems you have the same "religious" spirit.
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jd saz
z 

Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
 
Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.
 
JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.  
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)
 
JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?
 
JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "
 
JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS
 
See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 
 
How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
N

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2005-06-02 Thread ShieldsFamily









Are those the only body parts you are
missing, or are you holding out on us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz 


PS I find the typos to be very
entertaining!

 









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I am missing two fingers on my right hand.  
When I get to typing --  stuff happens.  





 





But no, it is not a Freudian slip -- it was a typo. 
 



 
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Actually,
I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose
two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a
lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are
nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and
you know what he intended to type. 
 
Peryr 
 
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> 
>Freudian slip, JD? Iz 
> 
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> 
>Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good 
>people there. 
> 
> 
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>JD 
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I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



this subject is truly a waste of time.   I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in  print today.  
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html
 
JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.
 
AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
 
WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!
 
Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING
 
WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
 
DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
 
REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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And since it is clearly stated, we can teach that there are TWO Gods from your NASV[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, you're living proof of that !!  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



this subject is truly a waste of time.   I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in  print today.  
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html
 
JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.
 
AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
 
WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!
 
Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING
 
WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
 
DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
 
REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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the work of Catholic scholars 
 
It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
 
The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 
 
BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can.   The message of grace is still there  (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings).   The reconciliation of all things is still there  (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings).  Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick  (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned    God does the work and we receive the blessings)..  
 
Whats the problem??
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir

It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not
return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of
God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just
imagine!
Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a
little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now,
don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
observation.

- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV
Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic
scholars
It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit
cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman
Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the
editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in
Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million
"laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European
Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini
brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age,
one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev
said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men
that will universalize that religion for the world and
lead us into a new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The
first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to
be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an
imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston,
Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the
Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible
Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida
says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ...
Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is
essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in
words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ...
The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ...
the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and
Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of
verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant
inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions
maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its
errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character
(as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament
Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7).
BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using
the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that
is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one
lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the
"new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is
to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on
the inspired. Silly..
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM!
For those that have no
discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov.
30:5.
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore."
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath."
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath."
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Go

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2005-06-02 Thread Christine Miller

I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
word in all its translations, including the NIV with
its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found
that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
college students by my side use the translation. These
friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV
Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use
the errant translations.

But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
translation does not mean that any and every
translation retains merit. God can use evil for good,
as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. 

Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear
up a translation's flaws.

Blessings!

(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up
to your eye balls. :-) ) 

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
> is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
> His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
> Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit
> of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
> THE KJV! Just imagine!
> 
> Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
> every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine
> them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine
> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
> they had with them. How many of them do you believe
> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
> observation.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Kevin Deegan 
>   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
>   Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
>   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
> 
> 
>   the work of Catholic scholars 
> 
>   It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
> their head.
> 
>   The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
>   Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,
> has been one of the editors of the United Bible
> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe
> is the largest in the world, with two thousand
> priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of
> New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
> Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of
> the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time
> magazine, article reported that Martini brought
> together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
> religious leaders from around the world to promote a
> new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
> meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to
> synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will
> universalize that religion for the world and lead us
> into a new age."
>   Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
> Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
> 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
> the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
> was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,
> Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
> 
>   HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the
> blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
> translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the
> Translations Department of the United Bible
> Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's
> revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
> revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation
> is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is
> given only in words, it has no real validity until
> it has been translated into life. ... The words are
> in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the
> word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,
> Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
> 
>   Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,
> of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the
> text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant
> traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to
> the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,
> including textual modifications of an obviously
> secondary character (as we recognize them today)"
> (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,
> 1962, pp. 6,7). 
> 
> 
>   BEWARE of these new versions!
> 
> 
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Normally when a host of scholars and translation
> committees using the most recent manuscript
> discoveries all agree against a publication that is
> nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic
> scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King
> James), common wisdom would allow for the "new"
> translation.   To us

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir

(Wo)man Oh (Wo)man (for the purpose of inclusivity) how I wish that this
were not chip/block thingy. Sophmoric logic becomes you, young lady.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: June 02, 2005 18:35
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


> I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
> word in all its translations, including the NIV with
> its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found
> that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
> NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
> college students by my side use the translation. These
> friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV
> Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use
> the errant translations.
>
> But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
> translation does not mean that any and every
> translation retains merit. God can use evil for good,
> as Joseph points out in Genesis 50.
>
> Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear
> up a translation's flaws.
>
> Blessings!
>
> (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
> the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up
> to your eye balls. :-) )
>
> --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
> > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
> > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
> > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit
> > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
> > THE KJV! Just imagine!
> >
> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
> > every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine
> > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine
> > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
> > they had with them. How many of them do you believe
> > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
> > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
> > observation.
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: Kevin Deegan
> >   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >   Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
> >   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
> >
> >
> >   the work of Catholic scholars
> >
> >   It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
> > their head.
> >
> >   The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
> >   Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
> > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,
> > has been one of the editors of the United Bible
> > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe
> > is the largest in the world, with two thousand
> > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of
> > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
> > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of
> > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time
> > magazine, article reported that Martini brought
> > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
> > religious leaders from around the world to promote a
> > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
> > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to
> > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will
> > universalize that religion for the world and lead us
> > into a new age."
> >   Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
> > Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
> > 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
> > the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
> > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,
> > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
> >
> >   HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the
> > blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
> > translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the
> > Translations Department of the United Bible
> > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
> > biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's
> > revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
> > revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation
> > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is
> > given only in words, it has no real validity until
> > it has been translated into life. ... The words are
> > in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the
> > word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,
> > Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
> >
> >   Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,
> > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the
> > text), which th

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!
 
The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!
 
 Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!
 
Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 
 
It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
 
The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 
 
BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
 

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath o

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Who (other than JD) would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs? Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations, including the NIV with its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many college students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use the errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any translation does not mean that any and every translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear up a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up to your eye balls. :-)
 ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see > every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) > they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > observation.> - Original Message - > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
 Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of> New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical> Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of> the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time> magazine, article reported that Martini brought> together a syncretistic convocation of over 100> religious leaders from around the world to promote a> new age, one-world religion. In addressing this> meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev
 said, "We need to> synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will> universalize that religion for the world and lead us> into a new age."> Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New> Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition> 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of> the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It> was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,> Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts> > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the> blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible> translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the> Translations Department of the United Bible> Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's> revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical> revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation> is essentially incarnational. ...
 Even if a truth is> given only in words, it has no real validity until> it has been translated into life. ... The words are> in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the> word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,> Message and Mission, p. 222-228).> > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,> of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the> text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant> traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to> the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,> including textual modifications of an obviously> secondary character (as we recognize them today)"> (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,> 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > BEWARE of these new versions!> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Normally when a host of scholars and translation> committees using the most recent
 manuscript> discoveries all agree agai

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Have you ever seen the 2 "oldest and Most reliable manuscripts", Christine?
VATICANus and Sainaiticus If you would like to inspect them maybe you can get a pass from the pope for the vatican library. Just a few changes here and there - oh well rev A or rev B whats your preference? If you have eyes to see for yourself:http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.htmlCorrectors:There are at least two different correctors from the uncial period. Some corrections are not enhanced by the reinforcer and are therefore very early. It seems reasonable to assign these to either the original scribe or a contemporary, who went through the whole codex and corrected several errors.The second corrector is later and eventually identical with the reinforcer (9th or 10th CE). There are several corrections which leave some text unenhanced and substitute a word or letters.Tischendorf and the ECM date one corrector to the
6th/7th CE.There are also a few corrections from the minuscule era. The text is very ordered except for those occasional troubling "Blank spots" I wonder what was in there in rev c or d?The blank space in mark 16 just happens to be the right size to contain the traditional ending. The original text division is a rather archaic one: For a new section the text is beginning afresh on a new line slightly in the left margin (one letter out), and the rest of the last line is left blank.
Oh yeah there are also "other problems"http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/corrections.htmlThis is NOT a complete list. Only some examples are given:1257 A Strange late correction; Mt 16:20, new: DIESTEILATO, old: EPETIMHSENand look their eraser made a mess1325 B 7 R Lk 10:39, late correction (illegible), seems wiped out, probably EIS TON OIKON AUTHS.
SUBSTITUTION OF WORDSMULTIPLE CORRECTORS & HANDWRITINGShttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.html#cor
Would your Bank accept checks with 10 different handwritings and crossed out words etc?
The SQUEEZED Letterhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/squeezed.htmlYou would not mind if I add a few zeros to that contract do you?It is only a Zero...
COMPLAINTS addedhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/note1512.htmlWho wrote "Fool and knave, can't you leave the old reading alone and not alter it!"
Who would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs?
"Oldest & Best" ROTFL!Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread
e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God> is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,> Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit> of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH> THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see> every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine> them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)> they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> observation.> - Original Message - > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005
16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five mill

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the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations
 
Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when conveying His word?
 
God has used Donkeys, in the past.
Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread
 e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God> is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,> Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit> of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH> THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see> every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine> them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)> they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> observation.> - Original Message - > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005
 16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of> New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical> Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of> the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time> magazine, article reported that Martini brought> together a syncretistic convocation of over 100> religious leaders from around the world to promote a> new age, one-world
 religion. In addressing this> meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to> synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will> universalize that religion for the world and lead us> into a new age."> Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New> Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition> 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of> the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It> was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,> Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts> > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the> blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible> translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the> Translations Department of the United Bible> Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's> revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical> revelation is not absolute and
 all divine revelation> is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is> given only in words, it has no real validity until> it has been translated into life. ... The words are> in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the> word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,> Message and Mission, p. 222-228).> > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,> of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the> text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant> traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to> the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,> including textual modifications of an obviously> secondary character (as we recognize them today)"> (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,> 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > BEWARE of these new versions!> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Normally when a host of
 scholars and translation> committees using the most recent manuscript> discoveries all agree against a publication that is> nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic> scholars (save

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.



From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz



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2005-06-02 Thread ShieldsFamily

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.

>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
>us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 
a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, "he is just now 
telling us"? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he 
is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos, 
so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity 
at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your 
comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 
no sensitivity at all.


Perry


From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we 
known

JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not
as moderator.

>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on
>us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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know

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I love sinless people.   
 
JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.

>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
>us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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