RE: face id question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi mary,

You are so worried about Face Id yet you want to buy one of the new phones?
I am not worried about it at all and actually think for me it would be better 
since often when I do lots of woodworking I can't use Touch Id for days because 
my fingers have little cuts, I get glue on them etc.
I have a 6S Plus and had the battery replaced by Apple a little over 3 months 
ago and while I'd love to have a waterproof phone, I see little other incentive 
to upgrade.
I guess if I were on a plan where I paid lots of money to have the option to 
upgrade every year I'd of course do it, but at this point I like my $49 plan 
(canadian Dollars) with unlimited calling, texting and 6Gb of data so that 
means for me that I'd have to buy a phone at full price and that's just not 
happening. I am, however, much more tempted by the Apple Watch 4, my wife and I 
both have second generation Apple Watches and I do find it frustrating how slow 
they sometimes are.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id question

Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id question

 Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just think 
it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over by most 
folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion that somebody 
could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never even knew it was 
gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks having their pockets 
picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too many people, because 
it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it doesn’t affect all blind 
people, although I do know folks who say that even for them, when they can’t 
use the attention feature, went home, they have a turned off, because it is a 
hassle.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
> Touch Id.
> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could not 
> remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get into 
> that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least another 
> year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and I have 
> other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get used to it 
> it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id is not 
> perfect, either. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you 
>>> get a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Michael maslo
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
 
 Hello I keep meaning to ask this
 
 on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
 they get around the face id?
 
 if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
 a issue for me.
 
 can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
 
 Hank
 
 
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mike Capelle]

we sure will.

-Original Message- 
From: kitty hevener

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Capelle

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

not happy at all, love my SE.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Arrigo

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple's new iphones

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[lenron brown]

I won't be forced to upgrade, when a company doesn't give me something
I need anymore it will be time to say good by. I have been happy with
owning an IPhone for the most part but I can do with out if I need. It
was really bad enough I was willing to give up the headphone jack and
the adapter made that not so bad. Even though it can be annoying at
times.

On 9/12/18, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> While I wasn't really expecting it, I was mildly bummed that Apple didn't
> introduce a more economical model or at the very least keep the headphone
> jack for one design if for nothing else, the emerging markets. I know
> bluetooth headphones are more or less ubiquitous in developed countries, but
> these phones are so expensive on their own, now someone in all those still
> growing markets will have to incur the extra cost of bluetooth headphones
> and or an adaptor. OH well, not my problem I guess, but still, I would have
> totally been game for some sort of upgraded SE.
> I’m such a fanboy of the touch ID/home button and find it so incredibly
> convenient to be able to interact with my phone without ever having to pull
> it out of my pocket that I don't know... I'm semi torn between snagging a
> cheaper 8 plus or just bite the bullet on the face ID technology and grab
> the XR.
> The XS models don’t' interest me in the least.
> Anyway, since the XR doesn't come out for another month, I guess I have
> enough time to go back and forth on what I want or maybe even convince
> myself to stick with my SE.
> It's too bad BestBuy doesn’t' sell off contract phones anymore. I could cash
> in some points and really try to score a deal.
> Talk about first world problems.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>
> For a few years we can use iPhones like the 8 or 8 Plus although one should
> point out that they also don't have a physical/mechanical home button, they
> have a virtual home button or whatever one wants to call it. After that
> time, say in 4 or 5 years, almost all of us will have either upgraded or be
> forced to upgrade to whatever Apple is then offering and I don't see them
> going back to Touch Id.
> As for 3D Touch I think it is also dead in the water and eventually will go
> away and it will be replaced by something better.
> As for smaller form factor iPhones I am not sure if Apple may not bring back
> a 4 to 5 inch phone if they think the demand is there. In a few years LCD
> screens will be a thing of the past and all iPhones will have OLED screens
> and a phone with a 4.7 inch OLED edge to edge display which is the same size
> display of an iPhone 6, 6S, 7 or 8 would probably be physically smaller than
> an iPhone SE.
> This year Apple has released the XR which has the 6.1 LCD display and
> apparently Apple has also managed to make the bezel much smaller so that the
> phone is actually not so huge (I haven't seen/compared the actual dimensions
> to a current Plus size phone), but like I said, OLED technology will take
> over and get cheaper and I somehow wouldn't be surprised is the iPhone XR is
> a little bit like the 5C which was a sort of one-year wonder and then Apple
> discontinued it.
> I guess we'll find out on Tuesday, September 190 which is when the 2019
> Apple Event will take place and don't worry, I'll make sure to let Tim Cook
> know that I predicted this and ask him to make sure it is so *smile*.
> Until then I'll keep my trusty 6S Plus with its new battery and if Apple has
> figured out where they are going with all of this OLED stuff, Face Id and so
> on maybe I'll buy a new phone in 2019, if not I bet my 6S Plus will still
> get iOS 13 and serve me until September of 2020.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>
> You know, Mike, the fact that you can use the attention feature is
> wonderful. But one person‘s experience does not mean it will be the same for
> everyone. I know people who can’t use the attention feature. So don’t
> generalize. We are all going to be stuck with this eventually. But making
> light of a very real security risk for those who cannot successfully use
> this feature is not OK.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Michael Maslo 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I
>> personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id
>> ever was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention
>> as part of the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without
>> issues.  Also for the person who said they like the touch id easier for
>> the could unlock their phone while it was on desk 

RE: face id question

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id question

 Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just think 
it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over by most 
folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion that somebody 
could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never even knew it was 
gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks having their pockets 
picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too many people, because 
it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it doesn’t affect all blind 
people, although I do know folks who say that even for them, when they can’t 
use the attention feature, went home, they have a turned off, because it is a 
hassle.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
> Touch Id.
> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could not 
> remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get into 
> that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least another 
> year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and I have 
> other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get used to it 
> it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id is not 
> perfect, either. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you 
>>> get a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Michael maslo
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
 
 Hello I keep meaning to ask this
 
 on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
 they get around the face id?
 
 if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
 a issue for me.
 
 can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
 
 Hank
 
 
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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Cristobal Muñoz]

While I wasn't really expecting it, I was mildly bummed that Apple didn't 
introduce a more economical model or at the very least keep the headphone jack 
for one design if for nothing else, the emerging markets. I know bluetooth 
headphones are more or less ubiquitous in developed countries, but these phones 
are so expensive on their own, now someone in all those still growing markets 
will have to incur the extra cost of bluetooth headphones and or an adaptor. OH 
well, not my problem I guess, but still, I would have totally been game for 
some sort of upgraded SE. 
I’m such a fanboy of the touch ID/home button and find it so incredibly 
convenient to be able to interact with my phone without ever having to pull it 
out of my pocket that I don't know... I'm semi torn between snagging a cheaper 
8 plus or just bite the bullet on the face ID technology and grab the XR.
The XS models don’t' interest me in the least. 
Anyway, since the XR doesn't come out for another month, I guess I have enough 
time to go back and forth on what I want or maybe even convince myself to stick 
with my SE. 
It's too bad BestBuy doesn’t' sell off contract phones anymore. I could cash in 
some points and really try to score a deal. 
Talk about first world problems.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

For a few years we can use iPhones like the 8 or 8 Plus although one should 
point out that they also don't have a physical/mechanical home button, they 
have a virtual home button or whatever one wants to call it. After that time, 
say in 4 or 5 years, almost all of us will have either upgraded or be forced to 
upgrade to whatever Apple is then offering and I don't see them going back to 
Touch Id.
As for 3D Touch I think it is also dead in the water and eventually will go 
away and it will be replaced by something better.
As for smaller form factor iPhones I am not sure if Apple may not bring back a 
4 to 5 inch phone if they think the demand is there. In a few years LCD screens 
will be a thing of the past and all iPhones will have OLED screens and a phone 
with a 4.7 inch OLED edge to edge display which is the same size display of an 
iPhone 6, 6S, 7 or 8 would probably be physically smaller than an iPhone SE.
This year Apple has released the XR which has the 6.1 LCD display and 
apparently Apple has also managed to make the bezel much smaller so that the 
phone is actually not so huge (I haven't seen/compared the actual dimensions to 
a current Plus size phone), but like I said, OLED technology will take over and 
get cheaper and I somehow wouldn't be surprised is the iPhone XR is a little 
bit like the 5C which was a sort of one-year wonder and then Apple discontinued 
it.
I guess we'll find out on Tuesday, September 190 which is when the 2019 Apple 
Event will take place and don't worry, I'll make sure to let Tim Cook know that 
I predicted this and ask him to make sure it is so *smile*.
Until then I'll keep my trusty 6S Plus with its new battery and if Apple has 
figured out where they are going with all of this OLED stuff, Face Id and so on 
maybe I'll buy a new phone in 2019, if not I bet my 6S Plus will still get iOS 
13 and serve me until September of 2020.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

You know, Mike, the fact that you can use the attention feature is wonderful. 
But one person‘s experience does not mean it will be the same for everyone. I 
know people who can’t use the attention feature. So don’t generalize. We are 
all going to be stuck with this eventually. But making light of a very real 
security risk for those who cannot successfully use this feature is not OK.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I 
> personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id ever 
> was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention as part 
> of the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without issues.  
> Also for the person who said they like the touch id easier for the could 
> unlock their phone while it was on desk or in their lap, I could do the very 
> same thing as you do. Never have issues with it. The gestures used are super 
> easy and now that I have switched from the touch id,. I would never go back. 
> I have no intent to get a new phone since 30 minutes better battery life does 
> not make it worth operating it. Maybe next year. I saw the largest phone and 
> I find it way to bid. I would not want to Barry a iPad as a phone.
> 
> My opinion only. Have a great day.  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo

Re: Apple's new iphones

[Robin]

Also People, who have FineMotor difficulties, 
will have Greater Difficulty performing 
TouchScreen gestures No Matter if they are Google's or Apple's

Just Sayin
At 08:41 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
That's True pertaining to the NEW TouchScreen 
gestures in place of the Home Button, but Google 
has also Removed its Home Button & Put similar 
TouchScreen gestures in place of its Home Button


Just Sain

At 08:08 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
True enough, but there are other distinctions. 
Talkback relies even today on angle jesters 
which are very hard for a lot of blind people. 
Voiceover makes use of two and three finger 
gestures. Talk back does not have any three 
finger gestures ever. So there are still 
differences. And Apple has implemented jesters 
on the iPhone X to make up for the lack of a 
home button. And plenty of blind people are using them successfully.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> the Physical Home Button & Then the 3DTouch 
Home Button enhanced VoiceOver's functionality 
on iOS & Distinguished it from Google's TalkBack  TouchScreen gestures

> At 05:14 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
>> I’ve never understood what the big 
dealeal is the ph phones not having a Home 
button. Remember more and more devices lack 
Home buttons, thus instead of buttons, you use 
gestures to simulate Home button functions.

>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>>
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike 
Arrigo  escribió:

>>
>> > It looks like Apple is done with the home 
button for good, the 3 new iphones that Apple 
announced are based on the new iphone X form 
factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X 
from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's the plus version with a larger screen, 
and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The 
iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget 
iphone models and the Iphone SE has been 
discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells any phones with a small form factor now 
or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 
8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no 
interest in getting any of these new ones at 
this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Robin]

That's True pertaining to the NEW TouchScreen 
gestures in place of the Home Button, but Google 
has also Removed its Home Button & Put similar 
TouchScreen gestures in place of its Home Button


Just Sain

At 08:08 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
True enough, but there are other distinctions. 
Talkback relies even today on angle jesters 
which are very hard for a lot of blind people. 
Voiceover makes use of two and three finger 
gestures. Talk back does not have any three 
finger gestures ever. So there are still 
differences. And Apple has implemented jesters 
on the iPhone X to make up for the lack of a 
home button. And plenty of blind people are using them successfully.



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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> the Physical Home Button & Then the 3DTouch 
Home Button enhanced VoiceOver's functionality 
on iOS & Distinguished it from Google's TalkBack  TouchScreen gestures

> At 05:14 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
>> I̢۪ve never understood what the big deal 
is the ph phones not having a Home button. 
Remember more and more devices lack Home 
buttons, thus instead of buttons, you use 
gestures to simulate Home button functions.

>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>>
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike 
Arrigo  escribió:

>>
>> > It looks like Apple is done with the home 
button for good, the 3 new iphones that Apple 
announced are based on the new iphone X form 
factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X 
from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's the plus version with a larger screen, and 
the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The 
iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget 
iphone models and the Iphone SE has been 
discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells any phones with a small form factor now 
or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 
8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no 
interest in getting any of these new ones at 
this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet either.

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Getting a voice dream reader library on to a new device

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
In the past, I have had significant issues with the cloud back up feature of 
voice dream reader, resulting twice in the loss of a substantial library books. 
I now have my library on my voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus. I am 
strongly considering purchasing one of the new iPhones, but I don’t want to get 
rid of my 7+. It would replace my very aging iPad mini 2. So what I am curious 
about is whether anyone has successfully managed to get a large voice dream 
library onto a new device without screwing it up on the old device. And without 
using iTunes.
Mary


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Re: face id question

[Mary Otten]

 Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just think 
it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over by most 
folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion that somebody 
could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never even knew it was 
gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks having their pockets 
picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too many people, because 
it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it doesn’t affect all blind 
people, although I do know folks who say that even for them, when they can’t 
use the attention feature, went home, they have a turned off, because it is a 
hassle.
Mary


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
> Touch Id.
> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could not 
> remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get into 
> that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least another 
> year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and I have 
> other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get used to it 
> it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id is not 
> perfect, either. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get 
>>> a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Michael maslo
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
 
 Hello I keep meaning to ask this
 
 on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
 they get around the face id?
 
 if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
 a issue for me.
 
 can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
 
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RE: face id question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Mary,

If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would stop 
them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the Touch 
Id.
Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could not 
remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get into 
that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of your 
face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id would work 
if most of your face was covered by your hand.
I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least another 
year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and I have 
other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get used to it 
it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id is not 
perfect, either. 

Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id question

If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
> course I want to. But if there's no security?
> 
> 
>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get 
>> a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>> 
>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
>>> they get around the face id?
>>> 
>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
>>> a issue for me.
>>> 
>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For a few years we can use iPhones like the 8 or 8 Plus although one should 
point out that they also don't have a physical/mechanical home button, they 
have a virtual home button or whatever one wants to call it. After that time, 
say in 4 or 5 years, almost all of us will have either upgraded or be forced to 
upgrade to whatever Apple is then offering and I don't see them going back to 
Touch Id.
As for 3D Touch I think it is also dead in the water and eventually will go 
away and it will be replaced by something better.
As for smaller form factor iPhones I am not sure if Apple may not bring back a 
4 to 5 inch phone if they think the demand is there. In a few years LCD screens 
will be a thing of the past and all iPhones will have OLED screens and a phone 
with a 4.7 inch OLED edge to edge display which is the same size display of an 
iPhone 6, 6S, 7 or 8 would probably be physically smaller than an iPhone SE.
This year Apple has released the XR which has the 6.1 LCD display and 
apparently Apple has also managed to make the bezel much smaller so that the 
phone is actually not so huge (I haven't seen/compared the actual dimensions to 
a current Plus size phone), but like I said, OLED technology will take over and 
get cheaper and I somehow wouldn't be surprised is the iPhone XR is a little 
bit like the 5C which was a sort of one-year wonder and then Apple discontinued 
it.
I guess we'll find out on Tuesday, September 190 which is when the 2019 Apple 
Event will take place and don't worry, I'll make sure to let Tim Cook know that 
I predicted this and ask him to make sure it is so *smile*.
Until then I'll keep my trusty 6S Plus with its new battery and if Apple has 
figured out where they are going with all of this OLED stuff, Face Id and so on 
maybe I'll buy a new phone in 2019, if not I bet my 6S Plus will still get iOS 
13 and serve me until September of 2020.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

You know, Mike, the fact that you can use the attention feature is wonderful. 
But one person‘s experience does not mean it will be the same for everyone. I 
know people who can’t use the attention feature. So don’t generalize. We are 
all going to be stuck with this eventually. But making light of a very real 
security risk for those who cannot successfully use this feature is not OK.
Mary


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I 
> personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id ever 
> was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention as part 
> of the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without issues.  
> Also for the person who said they like the touch id easier for the could 
> unlock their phone while it was on desk or in their lap, I could do the very 
> same thing as you do. Never have issues with it. The gestures used are super 
> easy and now that I have switched from the touch id,. I would never go back. 
> I have no intent to get a new phone since 30 minutes better battery life does 
> not make it worth operating it. Maybe next year. I saw the largest phone and 
> I find it way to bid. I would not want to Barry a iPad as a phone.
> 
> My opinion only. Have a great day.  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 20:02, kitty hevener  wrote:
>> 
>> me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Capelle
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> not happy at all, love my SE.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
>> iphones that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form 
>> factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the 
>> Iphone XS max sounds like it's the plus version with a larger screen, 
>> and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The iphone 7 and 8 will 
>> remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone SE has been 
>> discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones with a 
>> small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 
>> 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any 
>> of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home 
>> button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

Really? How absurd! You think the anniversary edition would’ve been more 
valuable a year or two from now with its old processor at Cetera, just because 
newer phones didn’t have whatever special features? Hardly. Ridiculous! As much 
as I am not a fan of the Face ID thing, I really do not understand where you’re 
coming from here. And I strongly doubt Apple is going to go i mbed touch ID in 
their screen if they haven’t done it by now.
Mary

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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> In MyPersonal opinion, Apple  miss'd a Big Opportunity  with the Launch of 
> its Anniversary Edition iPhone, the iPhoneX. Because Apple could have 
> distinguished this Anniversary Edition by not incorporating its Unique 
> features InTo other iPhone Models for  another 2 or 3  years, which would 
> have made that Anniversary Edition iPhone more special & valuable.  Thus, 
> justifying the Hike or Huge Price increase from previous iPhones
> 
> I Bet Apple will eventually Jump on the BandWagon of  Built IN TouchID InTo 
> its Display as it finally came around with Wireless Charging
> At 05:07 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
>> Mike,
>> 
>> Thanks for this summary of the new models. No surprises here which is why I 
>> got a new iPhone 8 about a month ago. I also wasn't ready to give up the 
>> home button.
>> 
>> I'm kind of curious where Apple is going with its iPhone naming convention. 
>> They chose that Roman numeral X but everyone calls it a 10 anyway and I'm 
>> not thinking they will go to a Roman numeral 11 XI model. It seems that most 
>> car models these days are a combination of letters and numbers so maybe they 
>> thought the X was fashionable.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone 
>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's 
>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper 
>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and 
>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells 
>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got 
>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting 
>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the 
>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

Hi Chris,
If you have never used 3D Touch, you would be missing nothing. Seeing as how 
you’re not used to it. Smile. I don’t use it very much. It gives you immediate 
access to certain things and certain apps. But it’s a learning curve, and you 
have to get used to using it to get that access. Pretty much the only reason I 
use it these days is in the notification area, where you can use it to get rid 
of all the notifications at one go. I understand that with iOS 12, 
notifications are going to be group differently. So I’m hoping that the absence 
of 3D Touch won’t be A big deal. If I do upgrade this year it’s going to be for 
the XR, because the version has the T-Mobile band in the 600 range which might 
be very helpful to me out here in Oregon.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> I have never used a phone with 3D touch.  I am wondering, What are the 
> advantages of having a 3D touch iPhone?  What would I be missing, for 
> instance, If I order the iPhone XR which does not have the 3D touch 
> feature?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> Correct about the no 3D Touch. That haptic thing is just going to let you 
> into the camera, useless for me, but there might be others who will find it 
> useful who are blind. I’m sure it will be OK for sighted people who like to 
> take pictures. I don’t use 3D Touch all that much. And it supports the 
> T-Mobile band that they activated last year. That’s a big plus for me as a 
> T-Mobile customer. I would gladly trade 3D Touch for the new T-Mobile support.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> No 3D Touch, but what they called Haptic something. I guess more than a step 
>> backwards, is because the type of display being used on the XR, isn’t 
>> compatible with 3D touch? it’d be interesting to see if the Haptic feature 
>> works like 3D touch if you guys get one of these soon.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:21 p. m., Dave  escribió:
>> 
>>> I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.
>>> 
>>> If this is true, then it is a backward step.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>>> 
>>> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
>>> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>>> 
>>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
 Likewise.
 
 Dave.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
 
 I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
 
 Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
 
> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 
> new iphones that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form 
> factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the 
> Iphone XS max sounds like it's the plus version with a larger 
> screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The iphone 7 and 
> 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone SE has 
> been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones 
> with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got 
> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
> getting any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to 
> give up the home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

True enough, but there are other distinctions. Talkback relies even today on 
angle jesters which are very hard for a lot of blind people. Voiceover makes 
use of two and three finger gestures. Talk back does not have any three finger 
gestures ever. So there are still differences. And Apple has implemented 
jesters on the iPhone X to make up for the lack of a home button. And plenty of 
blind people are using them successfully.


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> the Physical Home Button & Then the 3DTouch Home Button enhanced VoiceOver's 
> functionality on iOS & Distinguished it from Google's TalkBack  TouchScreen 
> gestures
> At 05:14 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
>> I’ve never understood what the big deal is the phones not having a Home 
>> button. Remember more and more devices lack Home buttons, thus instead of 
>> buttons, you use gestures to simulate Home button functions.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike Arrigo  escribió:
>> 
>> > It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
>> > iphones that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, 
>> > the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max 
>> > sounds like it's the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR 
>> > is the cheaper version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget 
>> > iphone models and the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that 
>> > Apple no longer sells any phones with a small form factor now or that have 
>> > a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so 
>> > have no interest in getting any of these new ones at this point, and I'm 
>> > just not ready to give up the home button yet either.
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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Kelly Pierce]

Craig,

My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

Kelly 


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On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
> Hello, Kelly and everyone.
>
> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
>> number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
>> the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
>> notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move this
>> inventory of old phones and AT&T needs to meet its quota or it will be
>> forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
>> channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT&T
>> who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
>> at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
>> companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
>> eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT&T can meet its sales quota this
>> year.
>>
>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
>> a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
>> only served by Verizon or AT&T. You may be in a similar situation.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
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>> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>>>
>>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
>>> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
>>> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
>>> costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
>>> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
>>> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
>>> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
>>> He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
>>> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
>>> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
>>> group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
>>> been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
>>> provider, AT&T, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
>>> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
 Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six
 months
 to
 pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
 validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
 incur
 if
 I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on
 October
 21.


 Best regards,

 Carolyn


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 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Saturday

Re: Apple's new iphones

[Robin]

the Physical Home Button & Then the 3DTouch Home 
Button enhanced VoiceOver's functionality on iOS 
& Distinguished it from Google's TalkBack  TouchScreen gestures

At 05:14 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
I’ve never understood what the big deal is the 
phones not having a Home button. Remember more 
and more devices lack Home buttons, thus instead 
of buttons, you use gestures to simulate Home button functions.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike Arrigo  escribió:

> It looks like Apple is done with the home 
button for good, the 3 new iphones that Apple 
announced are based on the new iphone X form 
factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X 
from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's the plus version with a larger screen, and 
the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The 
iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget 
iphone models and the Iphone SE has been 
discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells any phones with a small form factor now 
or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 
8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no 
interest in getting any of these new ones at 
this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet either.

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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Cris Ali]

Hello Folks,
I have never used a phone with 3D touch.  I am wondering, What are the 
advantages of having a 3D touch iPhone?  What would I be missing, for instance, 
If I order the iPhone XR whichdoes not have the 3D touch feature?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Correct about the no 3D Touch. That haptic thing is just going to let you into 
the camera, useless for me, but there might be others who will find it useful 
who are blind. I’m sure it will be OK for sighted people who like to take 
pictures. I don’t use 3D Touch all that much. And it supports the T-Mobile band 
that they activated last year. That’s a big plus for me as a T-Mobile customer. 
I would gladly trade 3D Touch for the new T-Mobile support.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> No 3D Touch, but what they called Haptic something. I guess more than a step 
> backwards, is because the type of display being used on the XR, isn’t 
> compatible with 3D touch? it’d be interesting to see if the Haptic feature 
> works like 3D touch if you guys get one of these soon.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:21 p. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
>> I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.
>> 
>> If this is true, then it is a backward step.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
>> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  escribió:
>> 
>>> Likewise.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>>> 
>>> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>>> 
>>> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
>>> 
 On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 
 new iphones that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form 
 factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the 
 Iphone XS max sounds like it's the plus version with a larger 
 screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The iphone 7 and 
 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone SE has 
 been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones 
 with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got 
 an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
 getting any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to 
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[goshawk on horseback]

I'm also now using the iPhone x. personally, give me the touch ID any day, 
as it could still be easily worked if for example, the phone was in 
something like a bumbag, where as this pesky face id can't.
when I use my phone whilst I am horse riding for example, I prefer to keep 
it in the bumbag, as then there is 0 risk of it dropping to the ground. 
thanks to which ever idiot decided to do away with touch ID however, this is 
now considerably less easy, as I either have to take it out for the face ID, 
or mess around entering the pass code. very not ideal from my point of view, 
which is rather a big shame, as it is a really nice phone apart from this 
issue.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Maslo" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones


Hello list,

I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I 
personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id ever 
was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention as part 
of the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without issues. 
Also for the person who said they like the touch id easier for the could 
unlock their phone while it was on desk or in their lap, I could do the very 
same thing as you do. Never have issues with it. The gestures used are super 
easy and now that I have switched from the touch id,. I would never go back. 
I have no intent to get a new phone since 30 minutes better battery life 
does not make it worth operating it. Maybe next year. I saw the largest 
phone and I find it way to bid. I would not want to Barry a iPad as a phone.

My opinion only. Have a great day.

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 20:02, kitty hevener  wrote:
>
> me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!
>
> -Original Message- From: Mike Capelle
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>
> not happy at all, love my SE.
>
> -Original Message- From: Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple's new iphones
>
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
> iphones
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
> it's
> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
> and
> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
> got
> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
> home button yet either.
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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Robin]

In MyPersonal opinion, Apple  miss'd a Big Opportunity  with the 
Launch of its Anniversary Edition iPhone, the iPhoneX. Because Apple 
could have distinguished this Anniversary Edition by not 
incorporating its Unique features InTo other iPhone Models 
for  another 2 or 3  years, which would have made that Anniversary 
Edition iPhone more special & valuable.  Thus, justifying the Hike or 
Huge Price increase from previous iPhones


I Bet Apple will eventually Jump on the BandWagon of  Built IN 
TouchID InTo its Display as it finally came around with Wireless Charging

At 05:07 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:

Mike,

Thanks for this summary of the new models. No surprises here which 
is why I got a new iPhone 8 about a month ago. I also wasn't ready 
to give up the home button.


I'm kind of curious where Apple is going with its iPhone naming 
convention. They chose that Roman numeral X but everyone calls it a 
10 anyway and I'm not thinking they will go to a Roman numeral 11 XI 
model. It seems that most car models these days are a combination of 
letters and numbers so maybe they thought the X was fashionable.


Alan Lemly

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Subject: Apple's new iphones

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form 
factor, the Iphone XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the 
Iphone XS max sounds like it's the plus version with a larger 
screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. The iphone 7 and 8 
will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone SE has 
been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones 
with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an 
iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
getting any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready 
to give up the home button yet either.


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RE: Cleaning up Home Screen after deleting unused apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or just move the apps from the homescreens you don't want to the first 1 or 2 
homescreens, once a homescreen has no apps it will disappear.


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Try going in to settings and choose general, then choose reset, it will be one 
of the last items, select that and choose home screen lay out, that should 
clean up your screens.

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> Now, I’m left with  a number of pages on my Home Screen with empty spaces, 
> and more pages than I need.
>  
> I’ve powered off and on, but still have more pages than I need and a lot of 
> empty spaces.
>  
> How can I clean up my Home screen and fill each space on each Home Screen 
> page to keep the number of pages as small as possible?
>  
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Downloadable MP3 of Apple's Special Event

[Kelly Pierce]

Below is a link to a downloadable MP3 file of the September 12
presentation of the 2018 iPhones and Apple Watch Series 4. It was
recorded live from the Steve Jobs Theater at Apple Park in Cupertino,
California.  Be aware that the audience reactions and applause likely
does not reflect the attitudes of the journalists present. Only about
a third of the audience in the 1,000 seat theater was journalists.
About two-thirds were Apple employees paid to be there and promote the
company.]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vd66nqebexoimvk/iPhone%20event%20sept2018.mp3?dl=0

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Re: face id question

[Mary Otten]

If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like
> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of
> course I want to. But if there's no security?
> 
> 
>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get a
>> phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the attention
>> part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this happens, all you
>> have to do is have your camera towards  your face and it will unlock your
>> phone. Hope this helps
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
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>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>> 
>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can they
>>> get around the face id?
>>> 
>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a
>>> issue for me.
>>> 
>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>> 
>>> Hank
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Re: face id question

[Michael Maslo]

Hello,

No no one could use your phone unless you gave them your phone and they pointed 
it towards your face. That is why I have attention on. 

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:39, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like
> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of
> course I want to. But if there's no security?
> 
> 
>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get a
>> phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the attention
>> part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this happens, all you
>> have to do is have your camera towards  your face and it will unlock your
>> phone. Hope this helps
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>> 
>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can they
>>> get around the face id?
>>> 
>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a
>>> issue for me.
>>> 
>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: face id question

[Deb Cook Lewis]

But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like
that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of
course I want to. But if there's no security?


On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get a
> phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the attention
> part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this happens, all you
> have to do is have your camera towards  your face and it will unlock your
> phone. Hope this helps
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael maslo
>
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
>>
>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>
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>> get around the face id?
>>
>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a
>> issue for me.
>>
>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>
>> Hank
>>
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Re: face id question

[Mary Otten]

Hi Hank,
When you get an iPhone it doesn’t have touch ID, and you are a voiceover user, 
as you set up the phone with voiceover in abled, the phone knows that you’re 
using voiceover, so it disables the attention feature. That’s the one that 
makes you look at the iPhone with your eyes open and looking at the camera. 
With that disabled, all you have to do is point your face towards the phone 
once you have the Face ID thing done, and it will open. That’s why it is a 
security risk. Somebody swiped your iPhone out of your hand, pointed at your 
face, and they have an open iPhone that they can run away with or whatever. But 
if you’re OK with that risk, or if you just basically use your phone at home, 
then no problem. So there is a way around it. It’s just not very secure.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:19 PM, The wolf  wrote:
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> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
> 
> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can they get 
> around the face id?
> 
> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a issue 
> for me.
> 
> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
> 
> Hank
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Re: face id question

[Michael Maslo]

Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you get a phone 
that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the attention part  of 
facial ID is automatically turned off. When this happens, all you have to do is 
have your camera towards  your face and it will unlock your phone. Hope this 
helps

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf  wrote:
> 
> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
> 
> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can they get 
> around the face id?
> 
> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a issue 
> for me.
> 
> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
> 
> Hank
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

You know, Mike, the fact that you can use the attention feature is wonderful. 
But one person‘s experience does not mean it will be the same for everyone. I 
know people who can’t use the attention feature. So don’t generalize. We are 
all going to be stuck with this eventually. But making light of a very real 
security risk for those who cannot successfully use this feature is not OK.
Mary


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I 
> personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id ever 
> was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention as part 
> of the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without issues.  
> Also for the person who said they like the touch id easier for the could 
> unlock their phone while it was on desk or in their lap, I could do the very 
> same thing as you do. Never have issues with it. The gestures used are super 
> easy and now that I have switched from the touch id,. I would never go back. 
> I have no intent to get a new phone since 30 minutes better battery life does 
> not make it worth operating it. Maybe next year. I saw the largest phone and 
> I find it way to bid. I would not want to Barry a iPad as a phone.
> 
> My opinion only. Have a great day.  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Michael maslo
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 20:02, kitty hevener  wrote:
>> 
>> me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Capelle
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> not happy at all, love my SE.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Michael Maslo]

Hello list,

I am a proud owner of the iphone x and have had it since it came out. I 
personally find the facial id more secure and faster than the touch id ever 
was. Also who ever said that a blind person could not use attention as part of 
the facial id never has tried it. I use it all the time without issues.  Also 
for the person who said they like the touch id easier for the could unlock 
their phone while it was on desk or in their lap, I could do the very same 
thing as you do. Never have issues with it. The gestures used are super easy 
and now that I have switched from the touch id,. I would never go back. I have 
no intent to get a new phone since 30 minutes better battery life does not make 
it worth operating it. Maybe next year. I saw the largest phone and I find it 
way to bid. I would not want to Barry a iPad as a phone.

My opinion only. Have a great day.  

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 20:02, kitty hevener  wrote:
> 
> me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mike Capelle
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> not happy at all, love my SE.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple's new iphones
> 
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
> home button yet either.
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face id question

[The wolf]

Hello I keep meaning to ask this

on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can they 
get around the face id?


if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be a 
issue for me.


can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?

Hank


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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mike Arrigo]

The iphone 8 will start out at $549 and I think this is for the 64 GB model so 
that's a pretty good price.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Likewise.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
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> 
> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
> brown
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
> 
> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Alan Lemly]

Maria,

Yes, I'm aware that X is the Roman numeral for 10. My point was that I wondered 
why they switched from Arabic to Roman numerals if they were going to call it a 
10 anyway.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

The X is the roman numeral for 10 and if it was iPhone XI it would be iPhone 
11. Speeking about the iPhone X it has been discontinued.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Thanks for this summary of the new models. No surprises here which is why I 
> got a new iPhone 8 about a month ago. I also wasn't ready to give up the home 
> button. 
> 
> I'm kind of curious where Apple is going with its iPhone naming convention. 
> They chose that Roman numeral X but everyone calls it a 10 anyway and I'm not 
> thinking they will go to a Roman numeral 11 XI model. It seems that most car 
> models these days are a combination of letters and numbers so maybe they 
> thought the X was fashionable.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple's new iphones
> 
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
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> replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
> plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
> The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
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Apple event

[Robert Wright]

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Christopher Chaltain]

Gestures on the touch screen will only work when the touch screen is on 
and active. The nice thing about a home button, in addition to the fact 
that it's another anchor point to use for orientation, is that it's 
another mechanical switch that will work even when the touch screen 
isn't on and active. This gives you more options when the touch screen 
isn't active to interact with your phone, such as waking it up from the 
lock state, resetting the phone when there's a problem with the 
interface or enabling a screen reader before you have feedback from the 
screen.



On 09/12/2018 07:14 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

I’ve never understood what the big deal is the phones not having a Home button. 
Remember more and more devices lack Home buttons, thus instead of buttons, you 
use gestures to simulate Home button functions.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike Arrigo  escribió:


It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone XS 
replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones with 
a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 and 
iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any of these new 
ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet 
either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Sandra Streeter]

I do.





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until it is faced."

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-Original Message- 
From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I feel like nobody uses 3D Touch anyway.

On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Mike Capelle  
wrote:


that is right, no more 3d touch.

-Original Message- From: Dave
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.

If this is true, then it is a backward step.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would
allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave 
escribió:


Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lenron brown

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.


On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the 
Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and
the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got
an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up 
the

home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Sandra Streeter]

I also don't like the idea of a big, honkin' screen. I am small-handed, and 
appreciate it when I don't have to reach far for items; I know you can do 
that "reachability" thing, but it's also about just not wanting a wider 
distance from edge to edge. Plus, I don't want to have to find more real 
estate within whatever carry-bag I happen to have, just to accommodate a 
larger screen. If I were low-vision and not total, that would probably be 
different.




Sandra

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until it is faced."

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-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I see a couple of things about not having a home button. The first one is 
the touch ID is simply more convenient for me as a blind person then Face 
ID. I don’t have to be looking at the phone. I can have it on my desk even 
under my desk on my keyboard shelf, and activate it with touch ID. I could 
have it in my pocket and activate it with touch ID. Also, if you happen to 
be one of those blind people who can’t use the attention feature of the Face 
ID, Face ID is massively not secure. If somebody takes your iPhone, all they 
have to do is put it in front of your face, and it opens, and they have 
access to everything. And that can be a problem in certain settings. If you’re 
lucky enough to be able to use the attention setting, which all ighted 
people do, that’s not a big deal. But in certain settings, it’s everything 
from a nuisance to a serious risk. And finally, there is the matter of the 
gestures. Yes, I’m sure they are doable. Blind people are doing them. But it’s 
just so unnecessary. It’s just a shame that they couldn’t keep a phone 
around with the home button and touch ID. But everybody has to have giant 
displays so they can watch movies on their phones I guess. It certainly is 
the wave of the future for Apple. So if you’re going to stick with Apple 
products, guess you have to get on the bandwagon. I certainly would not buy 
either of the S models. If I get an ex this year, it’s going to be the R. I 
just don’t see enough bang for the buck to splurge on those other things. If 
I traveled a lot, the dual sim feature is interesting. And the stereo 
recording would be good for some people. But it’s not worth at least $250 
more over the cost of the entry-level r model.



Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  
escribió:



Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lenron brown

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.


On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the 
Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and
the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got
an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up 
the

home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

Correct about the no 3D Touch. That haptic thing is just going to let you into 
the camera, useless for me, but there might be others who will find it useful 
who are blind. I’m sure it will be OK for sighted people who like to take 
pictures. I don’t use 3D Touch all that much. And it supports the T-Mobile band 
that they activated last year. That’s a big plus for me as a T-Mobile customer. 
I would gladly trade 3D Touch for the new T-Mobile support.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> No 3D Touch, but what they called Haptic something. I guess more than a step 
> backwards, is because the type of display being used on the XR, isn’t 
> compatible with 3D touch? it’d be interesting to see if the Haptic feature 
> works like 3D touch if you guys get one of these soon.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:21 p. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
>> I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.
>> 
>> If this is true, then it is a backward step.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
>> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>> 
>> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  escribió:
>> 
>>> Likewise.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>>> 
>>> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>>> 
>>> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
>>> 
 On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
 iphones
 that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
 XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
 the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
 version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
 the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
 any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
 got
 an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
 any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
 home button yet either.
 
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Sandra Streeter]

Adding my vote for nothing higher than an 8, at this point, too.




Sandra

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until it is faced."

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-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.

On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones

that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and

the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got

an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
home button yet either.

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[kitty hevener]

me too.  Just hope will be able to use it for a few years.  smile!!

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Capelle

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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not happy at all, love my SE.

-Original Message- 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple's new iphones

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
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Re: Apple's new iphones

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

I feel like nobody uses 3D Touch anyway. 

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Mike Capelle  wrote:
> 
> that is right, no more 3d touch.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.
> 
> If this is true, then it is a backward step.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would
> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave 
> escribió:
> 
>> Likewise.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
>>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mike Capelle]

that is right, no more 3d touch.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.

If this is true, then it is a backward step.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would
allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave 
escribió:


Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lenron brown

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.


On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the 
Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and
the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got
an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up 
the

home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Gerardo Corripio]

No 3D Touch, but what they called Haptic something. I guess more than a step 
backwards, is because the type of display being used on the XR, isn’t 
compatible with 3D touch? it’d be interesting to see if the Haptic feature 
works like 3D touch if you guys get one of these soon.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:21 p. m., Dave  escribió:

> I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.
> 
> If this is true, then it is a backward step.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
>> Likewise.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
>>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mary Otten]

I see a couple of things about not having a home button. The first one is the 
touch ID is simply more convenient for me as a blind person then Face ID. I 
don’t have to be looking at the phone. I can have it on my desk even under my 
desk on my keyboard shelf, and activate it with touch ID. I could have it in my 
pocket and activate it with touch ID. Also, if you happen to be one of those 
blind people who can’t use the attention feature of the Face ID, Face ID is 
massively not secure. If somebody takes your iPhone, all they have to do is put 
it in front of your face, and it opens, and they have access to everything. And 
that can be a problem in certain settings. If you’re lucky enough to be able to 
use the attention setting, which all ighted people do, that’s not a big deal. 
But in certain settings, it’s everything from a nuisance to a serious risk. And 
finally, there is the matter of the gestures. Yes, I’m sure they are doable. 
Blind people are doing them. But it’s just so unnecessary. It’s just a shame 
that they couldn’t keep a phone around with the home button and touch ID. But 
everybody has to have giant displays so they can watch movies on their phones I 
guess. It certainly is the wave of the future for Apple. So if you’re going to 
stick with Apple products, guess you have to get on the bandwagon. I certainly 
would not buy either of the S models. If I get an ex this year, it’s going to 
be the R. I just don’t see enough bang for the buck to splurge on those other 
things. If I traveled a lot, the dual sim feature is interesting. And the 
stereo recording would be good for some people. But it’s not worth at least 
$250 more over the cost of the entry-level r model.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
> allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
>> Likewise.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
>> 
>> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
>>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Dave]

I think it said, there was no 3D touch, on the XR.

If this is true, then it is a backward step.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would 
allow, when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  
escribió:



Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lenron brown

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.


On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the 
Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and
the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer 
sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got
an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in 
getting
any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up 
the

home button yet either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Gerardo Corripio]

I’m the contrary (I guess because I’m so adventuous) but if money would allow, 
when I upgrade my plan, I’d go for the XR.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 7:00 p. m., Dave  escribió:

> Likewise.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones
> 
> I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
> brown
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones
> 
> Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.
> 
>> On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
>> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
>> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
>> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
>> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
>> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
>> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
>> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
>> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
>> home button yet either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Gerardo Corripio]

I’ve never understood what the big deal is the phones not having a Home button. 
Remember more and more devices lack Home buttons, thus instead of buttons, you 
use gestures to simulate Home button functions.

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El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 6:51 p. m., Mike Arrigo  escribió:

> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone XS 
> replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
> plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
> The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
> SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones 
> with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 
> and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any of these 
> new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet 
> either.
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Re: Apple's new iphones

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

The X is the roman numeral for 10 and if it was iPhone XI it would be iPhone 
11. Speeking about the iPhone X it has been discontinued.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Thanks for this summary of the new models. No surprises here which is why I 
> got a new iPhone 8 about a month ago. I also wasn't ready to give up the home 
> button. 
> 
> I'm kind of curious where Apple is going with its iPhone naming convention. 
> They chose that Roman numeral X but everyone calls it a 10 anyway and I'm not 
> thinking they will go to a Roman numeral 11 XI model. It seems that most car 
> models these days are a combination of letters and numbers so maybe they 
> thought the X was fashionable.
> 
> Alan Lemly
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> Subject: Apple's new iphones
> 
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone XS 
> replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
> plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
> The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
> SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones 
> with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 
> and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any of these 
> new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet 
> either.
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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Alan Lemly]

Mike,

Thanks for this summary of the new models. No surprises here which is why I got 
a new iPhone 8 about a month ago. I also wasn't ready to give up the home 
button. 

I'm kind of curious where Apple is going with its iPhone naming convention. 
They chose that Roman numeral X but everyone calls it a 10 anyway and I'm not 
thinking they will go to a Roman numeral 11 XI model. It seems that most car 
models these days are a combination of letters and numbers so maybe they 
thought the X was fashionable.

Alan Lemly

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple's new iphones

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone XS 
replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones with 
a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 and 
iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any of these new 
ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet 
either.

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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Mike Capelle]

same here, i am happy with my se.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple's new iphones

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.

On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones

that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and

the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got

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any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
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[Mike Capelle]

not happy at all, love my SE.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Arrigo

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple's new iphones

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone 
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's 
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any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the 
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[Dave]

Likewise.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
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Subject: RE: Apple's new iphones

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.

On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new 
iphones

that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like 
it's

the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models 
and

the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I 
got

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RE: Apple's new iphones

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I will buy an iPhone 8! Not interested in the new phones.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.

On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
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> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
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> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
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Re: Apple's new iphones

[lenron brown]

Yeah I must say I feel the same way. I am really attached to touch id.

On 9/12/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones
> that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone
> XS replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's
> the plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper
> version. The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and
> the Iphone SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells
> any phones with a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got
> an iphone 8 and iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting
> any of these new ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the
> home button yet either.
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Apple's new iphones

[Mike Arrigo]

It looks like Apple is done with the home button for good, the 3 new iphones 
that Apple announced are based on the new iphone X form factor, the Iphone XS 
replaces the Iphone X from last year, the Iphone XS max sounds like it's the 
plus version with a larger screen, and the Iphone XR is the cheaper version. 
The iphone 7 and 8 will remain as Apple's budget iphone models and the Iphone 
SE has been discontinued. This means that Apple no longer sells any phones with 
a small form factor now or that have a headphone jack. I got an iphone 8 and 
iphone SE earlier this year so have no interest in getting any of these new 
ones at this point, and I'm just not ready to give up the home button yet 
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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Gerardo Corripio]

Try and see if the port where you connect the battery (the lightning port, is 
OK? ON a spanish Whatsapp group I’m on, someone had a similar experience 
several days ago, and he took the phone to the store, where they changed the 
lightning port, and it’s as good as new. Hope this helps some.can

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 12/09/2018, a la(s) 10:03 a. m.,  
 escribió:

> Hi Don. I was going to suggest that you cable it up.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> L. Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>  
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible 
> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS 
> 11.4.1.
> 
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since 
> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.
> 
>  
> 
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri to 
> turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear no 
> ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I 
> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my 
> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to ring 
> even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle 
> a three finger double tap?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for feedback.
> 
>  
> 
> Don Roberts
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Re: Cleaning up Home Screen after deleting unused apps

[Mike Arrigo]

Try going in to settings and choose general, then choose reset, it will be one 
of the last items, select that and choose home screen lay out, that should 
clean up your screens.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:16 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
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> Hi,
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> In preparing for a clean install of the new iOS when it becomes available, 
> I’ve gone through and deleted a fair number of unused apps.
>  
> Now, I’m left with  a number of pages on my Home Screen with empty spaces, 
> and more pages than I need.
>  
> I’ve powered off and on, but still have more pages than I need and a lot of 
> empty spaces.
>  
> How can I clean up my Home screen and fill each space on each Home Screen 
> page to keep the number of pages as small as possible?
>  
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Cleaning up Home Screen after deleting unused apps

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

Hi,

In preparing for a clean install of the new iOS when it becomes available, I've 
gone through and deleted a fair number of unused apps.

Now, I'm left with  a number of pages on my Home Screen with empty spaces, and 
more pages than I need.

I've powered off and on, but still have more pages than I need and a lot of 
empty spaces.

How can I clean up my Home screen and fill each space on each Home Screen page 
to keep the number of pages as small as possible?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Marie N.]

I have had this happen on an IPhone 6s and on my IPhone 8. Try telling Siri 
to turn voiceover off, then tell her to turn it on. This usually works 
immediately. This issue has only surfaced for me with IOS 11 and now with 
the beta of IOS 12.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Denny Schwab

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

Not sure if it is related, but I have had times when Voiceover goes
unresponsive on my IPhone 7.  I hear clicks when I swipe around, but
no voice feedback.  To fix it I use the triple-press of the home
button to toggle Voiceover on and off.  It takes several times of
this, usually 4 or five, but Voiceover comes back on eventually.

Denny

On 9/12/18, llump...@austin.rr.com  wrote:

Hi Don. I was going to suggest that you cable it up.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Donald L. Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund



My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is 
possible

for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS
11.4.1.

 No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since
there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to 
iTunes.




Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri
to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear
no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, 
I
hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in 
my

contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to
ring even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the 
speech

toggle a three finger double tap?



Thanks for feedback.



Don Roberts



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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Worth pointing out here that the difference between turning Voiceover on/off 
and toggling speech on/off is that VO can be used with Braille only.


So where as a triple press of the Home Button completely unloads VoiceOver 
turning speech off with a three finger double tab turns speech off but leaves 
Voiceover running for Braille users.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Sep 2018, at 23:28, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I just checked. If I press the Home Button three times, it turns off 
> VoiceOver; the two-finger double tap turns speech off. You are right. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Denny Schwab
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund
> 
> Actually, the home button triple tap is used to turn Voiceover on and off, 
> not to shut off speech, which is different than shutting Voiceover fully off. 
>  Shutting off speech leaves Voiceover on, just without speech.  A 
> three-finger double-tap shuts speech off, and leaves Voiceover on.
> 
> Denny
> 
>> On 9/12/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Yes, the Speech toggle is a three-finger double tap. Also, I have a 
>> shortcut for mine to be a Home button triple tap.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>> 
>> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is 
>> possible for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which 
>> is running IOS 11.4.1.
>> 
>> No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone 
>> since there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to 
>> iTunes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked 
>> Siri to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration 
>> but hear no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I 
>> call my iPhone, I hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of 
>> the caller which is in my contact list. So I know it is not a volume 
>> issue. The phone continues to ring even though I use a two finger 
>> double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle a three finger double tap?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for feedback.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don Roberts
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Carolyn Arnold]

I just checked. If I press the Home Button three times, it turns off VoiceOver; 
the two-finger double tap turns speech off. You are right. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Denny Schwab
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

Actually, the home button triple tap is used to turn Voiceover on and off, not 
to shut off speech, which is different than shutting Voiceover fully off.  
Shutting off speech leaves Voiceover on, just without speech.  A three-finger 
double-tap shuts speech off, and leaves Voiceover on.

Denny

On 9/12/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Yes, the Speech toggle is a three-finger double tap. Also, I have a 
> shortcut for mine to be a Home button triple tap.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is 
> possible for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which 
> is running IOS 11.4.1.
>
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone 
> since there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to 
> iTunes.
>
>
>
>
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked 
> Siri to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration 
> but hear no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I 
> call my iPhone, I hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of 
> the caller which is in my contact list. So I know it is not a volume 
> issue. The phone continues to ring even though I use a two finger 
> double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle a three finger double tap?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for feedback.
>
>
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
>
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Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

[James English]

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I have a yearly subscription to tunein premium at
a discounted rate which I got for signing up to the LA rams newsletter
(more spam but 40 pounds off, worth it), but I'll give it and the nba
app a look when it runs out, as I only use it for football and
basketball.


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On 9/12/18, Robin  wrote:
> That's Correct, there's only a 1 Time Fee for the
> GameDay MobileApp on Apple's iOS & that occurs
> when you Purchase it from Apple's iOS AppStore
>
> Note:
> there is No Fee or Charge  for GameDay on Google's Android
> At 12:53 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
>>The charge for the IOS Game Day app is a one
>>time charge. This is the second year that I am
>>using it, and was not charged again after first purchasing it.
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Alan Paganelli
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>
>>No!  You have to shell out that every season!
>>
>>
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone 5s
>>
>>On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten
>><motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry, I don’t see the relevance of that message at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Robin
>>><robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
This MobileApp, GameDay is FREE  over on Google'sAndroid
Just Sayin
At 10:35 AM 9/10/2018, you wrote:
>The app is called Game Day.
>
>Andy
>
>- Original Message -
>From: kitty hevener
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>I think I am missing part of the ap name.  I
>searched for profootball in the ap store and could not find it.
>
>From: Michael Irons
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:10 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>
>
>Sounds like a good deal.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:01 AM, kitty hevener
><kheve...@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>>Andy, wow, what a steal!!!  thanks.
>>
>>From: Andy Baracco
>>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 10:15 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>
>>Not Marie, but the cost is $1.99.
>>
>>Andy
>>- Original Message -
>>From: kitty hevener
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 6:58 PM
>>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>
>>Marie, Will the profootball ap work with
>>iphone?  If I may ask, how much does it
>>cost?  Am currently using tune in premium,
>>but would switch if find something more cost effective.
>>
>>From: Marie
>>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:25 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>
>>Thank you for telling us about this app. I
>>purchased it and used it today and it is
>>fantastic. Much like the original Pro
>>Football Radio app but better. What a
>>bargain and I got to listen to the Seahawks game today after all.
>>Marie
>>
>>
>>From: Andy Baracco
>>Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:23 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>
>>I have an app called Game Day. I can't
>>remember how much it cost, but it was cheap,
>>around 3 dollars. You get multiple feeds for
>>all of the teams. I think it is a rebranding
>>of the Pro Football Radio app. I do have
>>that one as well, and it still works, even
>>though coverage was spotty during the
>>preseason because many stations don't stream the preseason games.
>>Sirius XM is another alternative as well as Tunein Radio Premium.
>>
>>Andy
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Alan Paganelli
>>To: viphone@g

Re: Moribund iPhone 6 no longer on life support

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Don,

Maybe Siri's volume has gotten turned down. Once you activate Siri, try turning 
up the volume.

HTH,
Anna




> On Sep 12, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Donald L. Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to help from Sieghard, my iPhone 6 is no longer at death's door and is 
> much improved except for one remaining problem. Siri will absolutely not 
> respond to any commands regardless of the fact that all Siri settings are 
> turned on. I am unable to initiate phone calls or text messages by voice; nor 
> can I ask for the MLB scores or ask for the local forecast.
> 
> 
> Ideas please!
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
> 
> 
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Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

[Robin]

That's Correct, there's only a 1 Time Fee for the 
GameDay MobileApp on Apple's iOS & that occurs 
when you Purchase it from Apple's iOS AppStore


Note:
there is No Fee or Charge  for GameDay on Google's Android
At 12:53 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote:
The charge for the IOS Game Day app is a one 
time charge. This is the second year that I am 
using it, and was not charged again after first purchasing it.


Andy

- Original Message -
From: Alan Paganelli
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

No!  You have to shell out that every season!



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com> wrote:



Sorry, I don’t see the relevance of that message at all.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:



This MobileApp, GameDay is FREE  over on Google'sAndroid
Just Sayin
At 10:35 AM 9/10/2018, you wrote:

The app is called Game Day.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: kitty hevener
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
I think I am missing part of the ap name.  I 
searched for profootball in the ap store and could not find it.


From: Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad


Sounds like a good deal.

Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:01 AM, kitty hevener 
<kheve...@earthlink.net > wrote:



Andy, wow, what a steal!!!  thanks.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Not Marie, but the cost is $1.99.

Andy
- Original Message -
From: kitty hevener
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Marie, Will the profootball ap work with 
iphone?  If I may ask, how much does it 
cost?  Am currently using tune in premium, 
but would switch if find something more cost effective.


From: Marie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Thank you for telling us about this app. I 
purchased it and used it today and it is 
fantastic. Much like the original Pro 
Football Radio app but better. What a 
bargain and I got to listen to the Seahawks game today after all.

Marie


From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

I have an app called Game Day. I can't 
remember how much it cost, but it was cheap, 
around 3 dollars. You get multiple feeds for 
all of the teams. I think it is a rebranding 
of the Pro Football Radio app. I do have 
that one as well, and it still works, even 
though coverage was spotty during the 
preseason because many stations don't stream the preseason games.

Sirius XM is another alternative as well as Tunein Radio Premium.

Andy
- Original Message -
From: Alan Paganelli
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad


The problem with the NFL is they 
arenâ€ââ„¢t giving anything away for free 
if you want to listen to NFL football you 
need to buy the entire package it isn̢۪t 
cheaheap and it isn̢۪t fair  The NFL 
package was you get to watch the games on TV 
which does me no good being totally like you 
also get coaches watches which is also 
useless the only part of the package at a 
useful for me is the radio broadcast where 
you hear the announcers describe the games 
you used to be able to get that one alone 
for 40 bucks for the entire season but now 
they want you to pay for the whole package 
which is $99.99  I am not paying them 100 
bucks just to listen to Chicago bears lose 
again or any other team for that matter it 
isnâ€ââ„¢t worth 100 bucks for a blind 
man  The best thing the end FL can do is to 
fire Roger get Dale he is the one who 
started this where everything has to cost money



Alan
Sent from my iPhone 5s
On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Julie Dawson  wrote:


perhaps allfootball?
I remember it working.
Live  simply,
  Love generously,
  Care  deeply,
  Speak  kindly
  And  leave the rest to God!
Please join me on
www.gamesgaloreandmore.com
where through learning, friendship, 
activities, and growth, toget

Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

[Andy Baracco]

The charge for the IOS Game Day app is a one time charge. This is the second 
year that I am using it, and was not charged again after first purchasing it.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:46 AM
  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad


  No!  You have to shell out that every season!






  Alan


  Sent from my iPhone 5s

  On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Sorry, I don’t see the relevance of that message at all.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Robin  wrote:


  This MobileApp, GameDay is FREE  over on Google'sAndroid
  Just Sayin
  At 10:35 AM 9/10/2018, you wrote:

The app is called Game Day.
 
Andy
 

  - Original Message - 

  From: kitty hevener 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM

  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad


  I think I am missing part of the ap name.  I searched for profootball 
in the ap store and could not find it.  



  From: Michael Irons 

  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:10 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad




  Sounds like a good deal.



  Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:01 AM, kitty hevener  
wrote:


Andy, wow, what a steal!!!  thanks.  



From: Andy Baracco 

Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 10:15 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad



Not Marie, but the cost is $1.99.



Andy



  - Original Message - 

  From: kitty hevener 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 6:58 PM

  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad



  Marie, Will the profootball ap work with iphone?  If I may ask, 
how much does it cost?  Am currently using tune in premium, but would switch if 
find something more cost effective.  



  From: Marie 

  Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:25 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad



  Thank you for telling us about this app. I purchased it and used 
it today and it is fantastic. Much like the original Pro Football Radio app but 
better. What a bargain and I got to listen to the Seahawks game today after all.

  Marie





  From: Andy Baracco 

  Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:23 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad



  I have an app called Game Day. I can't remember how much it cost, 
but it was cheap, around 3 dollars. You get multiple feeds for all of the 
teams. I think it is a rebranding of the Pro Football Radio app. I do have that 
one as well, and it still works, even though coverage was spotty during the 
preseason because many stations don't stream the preseason games.

  Sirius XM is another alternative as well as Tunein Radio Premium.



  Andy



- Original Message - 

From: Alan Paganelli 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:41 AM

Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad



The problem with the NFL is they aren’t giving anything away 
for free if you want to listen to NFL football you need to buy the entire 
package it isn’t cheap and it isn’t fair  The NFL package was you get to 
watch the games on TV which does me no good being totally like you also get 
coaches watches which is also useless the only part of the package at a useful 
for me is the radio broadcast where you hear the announcers describe the games 
you used to be able to get that one alone for 40 bucks for the entire season 
but now they want you to pay for the whole package which is $99.99  I am not 
paying them 100 bucks just to listen to Chicago bears lose again or any other 
team for that matter it isn’t worth 100 bucks for a blind man  The best thing 
the end FL can do is to fire Roger get Dale he is the one who started this 
where everything has to cost money




Alan 


Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Julie Dawson 
 wrote:


  perhaps allfootball?

  I remember it working.

  Live  simply,

Love generously,

Care  deeply,

Speak  kindly   
 

And  leave the 

Re: deleting contact problem

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
after press edit button, put 4 fingers at the bottom and you will be direct in 
delete button.

Lyne

> Le 12 sept. 2018 à 15:35, anthony borg  a écrit :
> 
> Hi folks
> I’m trying to delete a contact from the contacts list. But I can’t do it for 
> some reason.
> I’m doing the normal procedure by go in to the contacts, then I double tap on 
> the name I want to delete and double tap on the edit on the top right of the 
> screen.
> As soon as I do that. It opens the the new contact instead. Or sometime it is 
> showing the bloch this caller
> It is really a weird problem.
> Any assistance is appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> Anthony  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 12 September 2018 20:33
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: deleting contact problem
>  
> First, check your app switcher to see if you have a bunch of apps open 
> reducing resources available.
> If that isn't the issue, try refreshing the RAM by holding down the power 
> button until it says "power off" then release the button and then press and 
> hold the home button until it start talking.
> If it still does that, then call Apple and/or replace the phone with someing 
> newer.
> Good luck,
> Richard
>  
> 
> "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
> place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
> Nevill
>  
>  
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
>  
> 
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 10:43 AM, James English  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Someimes (not all of the time), using siri to do anything (like to
> check the football scores) simply makes my phone restart itself.
> I have an iPhone 6 running latest IOS.
> 
> Any suggestions please?
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RE: deleting contact problem

[anthony borg]

Hi folks 

I’m trying to delete a contact from the contacts list. But I can’t do it for 
some reason. 

I’m doing the normal procedure by go in to the contacts, then I double tap on 
the name I want to delete and double tap on the edit on the top right of the 
screen. 

As soon as I do that. It opens the the new contact instead. Or sometime it is 
showing the bloch this caller 

It is really a weird problem. 

Any assistance is appreciated. 

Thanks in advance 

Anthony  

 

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Richard Turner
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Subject: deleting contact problem 

 

First, check your app switcher to see if you have a bunch of apps open reducing 
resources available. 

If that isn't the issue, try refreshing the RAM by holding down the power 
button until it says "power off" then release the button and then press and 
hold the home button until it start talking.

If it still does that, then call Apple and/or replace the phone with someing 
newer.

Good luck,

Richard

 

"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill

 

 

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Someimes (not all of the time), using siri to do anything (like to
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I have an iPhone 6 running latest IOS.

Any suggestions please?

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Re: using siri restarts phone

[Richard Turner]

First, check your app switcher to see if you have a bunch of apps open reducing 
resources available.
If that isn't the issue, try refreshing the RAM by holding down the power 
button until it says "power off" then release the button and then press and 
hold the home button until it start talking.
If it still does that, then call Apple and/or replace the phone with someing 
newer.
Good luck,
Richard



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place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill



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Hello,

Someimes (not all of the time), using siri to do anything (like to
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I have an iPhone 6 running latest IOS.

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Re: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Richard Turner]

The Seeing AI app has 9 channels. They are in a pick list, just above the home 
button. You touch there and you should hear, "Channel" followed by the name of 
the channel you are on. If you want a different channel, you flick up with one 
finger, or down if you are not on the first channel and want one earlier in the 
list.
It is free. I cannot stress strongly enough that everyone should download it 
and give it a try.
Richard



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On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

How many channels are on Seeing AI. Are they displayed on the screen like Icons?

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Subject: RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

What a wonderful experience! I am glad the handwriting channel worked so well. 
I will give it a try thanks to your success. I had been somewhat skeptical.

Terrie Terlau



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel



Good morning, list.



First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can do 
email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up data 
on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.



Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting channel 
that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper taped to the 
top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first tried the K-NFB 
Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available to me for several 
years in its various forms on different platforms.  It found no text, even 
reporting the page was upside down.



Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time 
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went to 
the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had reported 
no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was oriented 
correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing AI processed 
it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that the dryer had 
taken their change and that it didn’t work.  I only wish I had discovered this 
before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to move the load to 
another dryer.



This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been 
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next load 
and had to go back to do it.



It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter 
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.  That 
was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.



It’s good that we have app choices so that if one doesn’t perform well in a 
given situation, we have others that might.



This all made for a pretty good day for me.



Bill Outman



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using siri restarts phone

[James English]

Hello,

Someimes (not all of the time), using siri to do anything (like to
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I have an iPhone 6 running latest IOS.

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Re: Hiding updates for apps I no longer use

[Gordon]

Yes you can. Go to my account inside of the app store and select 
purchased. This will show you all of your apps that you've ever 
downloaded even if you've deleted them from your device. A hide button 
will appear before each app. When IOS 12 comes out you can simply flick 
down once to hide an app.



On 9/12/2018 12:28 PM, Kimber Gardner wrote:

Hi All,

Is it possible to hide updates for apps I no longer use? My list of
updates in the app store gets quite long at times and it's loaded with
apps I either tried and discarded or simply no longer want.

Any help appreciated.

Kim



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Moribund iPhone 6 no longer on life support

[Donald L. Roberts]

Thanks to help from Sieghard, my iPhone 6 is no longer at death's door 
and is much improved except for one remaining problem. Siri will 
absolutely not respond to any commands regardless of the fact that all 
Siri settings are turned on. I am unable to initiate phone calls or text 
messages by voice; nor can I ask for the MLB scores or ask for the local 
forecast.



Ideas please!


Don Roberts


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Hiding updates for apps I no longer use

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi All,

Is it possible to hide updates for apps I no longer use? My list of
updates in the app store gets quite long at times and it's loaded with
apps I either tried and discarded or simply no longer want.

Any help appreciated.

Kim

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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Denny Schwab]

Actually, the home button triple tap is used to turn Voiceover on and
off, not to shut off speech, which is different than shutting
Voiceover fully off.  Shutting off speech leaves Voiceover on, just
without speech.  A three-finger double-tap shuts speech off, and
leaves Voiceover on.

Denny

On 9/12/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Yes, the Speech toggle is a three-finger double tap. Also, I have a shortcut
> for mine to be a Home button triple tap.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
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> Of Donald L. Roberts
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible
> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS
> 11.4.1.
>
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since
> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.
>
>
>
>
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri
> to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear
> no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I
> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my
> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to
> ring even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech
> toggle a three finger double tap?
>
>
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> Thanks for feedback.
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RE: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, the Speech toggle is a three-finger double tap. Also, I have a shortcut 
for mine to be a Home button triple tap. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Donald L. Roberts
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund

My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible 
for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS 
11.4.1.

 No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since there 
is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.




Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri to 
turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear no 
ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I hear 
the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my contact 
list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to ring even 
though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle a 
three finger double tap?




Thanks for feedback.




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RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Carolyn Arnold]

How many channels are on Seeing AI. Are they displayed on the screen like 
Icons? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terrie Terlau
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

What a wonderful experience! I am glad the handwriting channel worked so well. 
I will give it a try thanks to your success. I had been somewhat skeptical.

Terrie Terlau

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

 

Good morning, list.  

 

First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can do 
email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up data 
on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.  

 

Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting channel 
that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper taped to the 
top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first tried the K-NFB 
Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available to me for several 
years in its various forms on different platforms.  It found no text, even 
reporting the page was upside down.  

 

Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time 
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went to 
the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had reported 
no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was oriented 
correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing AI processed 
it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that the dryer had 
taken their change and that it didn’t work.  I only wish I had discovered this 
before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to move the load to 
another dryer.  

 

This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been 
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next load 
and had to go back to do it.  

 

It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter 
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.  That 
was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.  

 

It’s good that we have app choices so that if one doesn’t perform well in a 
given situation, we have others that might.  

 

This all made for a pretty good day for me.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Kimber Gardner]

I've had the very same experience with my iPhone 7, Denny. I managed
to engage Siri and had her turn off VO then turn it back on which
corrected the issue.



On 9/12/18, Denny Schwab  wrote:
> Not sure if it is related, but I have had times when Voiceover goes
> unresponsive on my IPhone 7.  I hear clicks when I swipe around, but
> no voice feedback.  To fix it I use the triple-press of the home
> button to toggle Voiceover on and off.  It takes several times of
> this, usually 4 or five, but Voiceover comes back on eventually.
>
> Denny
>
> On 9/12/18, llump...@austin.rr.com  wrote:
>> Hi Don. I was going to suggest that you cable it up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Donald L. Roberts
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>>
>>
>>
>> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is
>> possible
>> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running
>> IOS
>> 11.4.1.
>>
>>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since
>> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to
>> iTunes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked
>> Siri
>> to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but
>> hear
>> no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone,
>> I
>> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in
>> my
>> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to
>> ring even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the
>> speech
>> toggle a three finger double tap?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for feedback.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Roberts
>>
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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Denny Schwab]

Not sure if it is related, but I have had times when Voiceover goes
unresponsive on my IPhone 7.  I hear clicks when I swipe around, but
no voice feedback.  To fix it I use the triple-press of the home
button to toggle Voiceover on and off.  It takes several times of
this, usually 4 or five, but Voiceover comes back on eventually.

Denny

On 9/12/18, llump...@austin.rr.com  wrote:
> Hi Don. I was going to suggest that you cable it up.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Donald L. Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund
>
>
>
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible
> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS
> 11.4.1.
>
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since
> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.
>
>
>
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri
> to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear
> no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I
> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my
> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to
> ring even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech
> toggle a three finger double tap?
>
>
>
> Thanks for feedback.
>
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
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RE: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[llumpkin]

Hi Don. I was going to suggest that you cable it up.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
L. Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my iPhone 6 is moribund

 

My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible 
for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS 
11.4.1.

 No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since there 
is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.

 

Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri to 
turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear no 
ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I hear 
the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my contact 
list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to ring even 
though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle a 
three finger double tap?

 

Thanks for feedback.

 

Don Roberts

 

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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Jim Weiss]

Don,
Have you tried to reboot the phone?  Apple can log into your phone, but it has 
to be unlocked and working because you have to accept the incoming request.  If 
you can connect to iTunes, you may be able to toggle voice over off and back on.
Jim Weiss
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“Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to 
say something.” | Plato

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Donald L. Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible 
> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS 
> 11.4.1.
> 
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since 
> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by   connecting to 
> iTunes.
> 
> 
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri to 
> turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration but hear no 
> ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I 
> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my 
> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to ring 
> even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle 
> a three finger double tap?
> 
> 
> Thanks for feedback.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
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Re: my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Candy Lowe]

don, that happened to me one time. My cited husband was here and he looked at 
it and there was nothing he could do. It was totally locked. We went to the 
Apple store. They gave us an appointment and told us to come back at 3 PM. By 
the time we got there, it had worked itself out. I don’t know what was wrong 
with that, but it worked itself out on it’s own. It was also an iPhone 6.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Donald L. Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
> My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is possible 
> for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is running IOS 
> 11.4.1.
> 
>  No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone since 
> there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting to iTunes.
> 
> 
> Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked Siri to 
> turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the   vibration but hear 
> no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call my iPhone, I 
> hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the caller which is in my 
> contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. The phone continues to ring 
> even though I use a two finger double tap on the screen. Is the speech toggle 
> a three finger double tap?
> 
> 
> Thanks for feedback.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
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my iPhone 6 is moribund

[Donald L. Roberts]

My primary purpose in writing this post is to inquire whether it is 
possible for Apple to remotely check the status of my iPhone 6 which is 
running IOS 11.4.1.


 No one is around to check the screen, and I can't unlock the phone 
since there is no audible feedback. Will try later today by connecting 
to iTunes.



Symptoms are as follows: Voiceover does not speak even though I asked 
Siri to turn it on. When I press the home button, I feel the vibration 
but hear no ding. I cannot make outgoing phone calls; however, if I call 
my iPhone, I hear the chime and voiceover announces the name of the 
caller which is in my contact list. So I know it is not a volume issue. 
The phone continues to ring even though I use a two finger double tap on 
the screen. Is the speech toggle a three finger double tap?



Thanks for feedback.


Don Roberts


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RE: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

[Richard Turner]

Alan,
Which message are you replying to?  Is it the $1.99 for GameDay, which is a 
great deal even if it is every season.  Or, are you talking about the NFL crazy 
price?

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

No!  You have to shell out that every season!


Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, I don’t see the relevance of that message at all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
This MobileApp, GameDay is FREE  over on Google'sAndroid
Just Sayin
At 10:35 AM 9/10/2018, you wrote:

The app is called Game Day.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: kitty hevener
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
I think I am missing part of the ap name.  I searched for profootball in the ap 
store and could not find it.

From: Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Sounds like a good deal.

Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:01 AM, kitty hevener 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net> > wrote:


Andy, wow, what a steal!!!  thanks.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Not Marie, but the cost is $1.99.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: kitty hevener
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Marie, Will the profootball ap work with iphone?  If I may ask, how much does 
it cost?  Am currently using tune in premium, but would switch if find 
something more cost effective.

From: Marie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

Thank you for telling us about this app. I purchased it and used it today and 
it is fantastic. Much like the original Pro Football Radio app but better. What 
a bargain and I got to listen to the Seahawks game today after all.
Marie


From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

I have an app called Game Day. I can't remember how much it cost, but it was 
cheap, around 3 dollars. You get multiple feeds for all of the teams. I think 
it is a rebranding of the Pro Football Radio app. I do have that one as well, 
and it still works, even though coverage was spotty during the preseason 
because many stations don't stream the preseason games.
Sirius XM is another alternative as well as Tunein Radio Premium.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Alan Paganelli
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

The problem with the NFL is they aren’t giving anything away for free if you 
want to listen to NFL football you need to buy the entire package it isn’t 
cheap and it isn’t fair  The NFL package was you get to watch the games on TV 
which does me no good being totally like you also get coaches watches which is 
also useless the only part of the package at a useful for me is the radio 
broadcast where you hear the announcers describe the games you used to be able 
to get that one alone for 40 bucks for the entire season but now they want you 
to pay for the whole package which is $99.99  I am not paying them 100 bucks 
just to listen to Chicago bears lose again or any other team for that matter it 
isn’t worth 100 bucks for a blind man  The best thing the end FL can do is to 
fire Roger get Dale he is the one who started this where everything has to cost 
money


Alan
Sent from my iPhone 5s
On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Julie Dawson  wrote:


perhaps allfootball?
I remember it working.
Live  simply,
  Love generously,
  Care  deeply,
  Speak  kindly
  And  leave the rest to God!
Please join me on
www.gamesgaloreandmore.com
where through learning, friendship, activities, and growth, together we can 
build a site to be proud of.

- Original Message -
From: kellmast...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 

Re: Speaking Bar in IOS 11

[Richard]

Thanks Greg, I'll give it a try.

Rick
  - Original Message - 
  From: Greg Wocher 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:46 AM
  Subject: Re: Speaking Bar in IOS 11


  Hello,
  This has to do with an option in accessibility settings called speak screen. 
To turn it off go into your accessibility settings then into the speech 
settings. Once in there look for the speak screen setting and turn it to off. 


  Greg Wocher



On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:00 AM, Richard  wrote:


Can anyone shed some light on what this is, and how to be rid of it?

Thanks,
Rick


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Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad

[Alan Paganelli]

No!  You have to shell out that every season!



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I don’t see the relevance of that message at all.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> This MobileApp, GameDay is FREE  over on Google'sAndroid
>> Just Sayin
>> At 10:35 AM 9/10/2018, you wrote:
>>> The app is called Game Day.
>>>  
>>> Andy
>>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: kitty hevener 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>> 
>>> I think I am missing part of the ap name.  I searched for profootball in 
>>> the ap store and could not find it.  
>>>  
>>> From: Michael Irons 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sounds like a good deal.
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:01 AM, kitty hevener  wrote:
>>> 
 Andy, wow, what a steal!!!  thanks.  
  
 From: Andy Baracco 
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 10:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
  
 Not Marie, but the cost is $1.99.
  
 Andy
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: kitty hevener 
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 6:58 PM
 Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
  
 Marie, Will the profootball ap work with iphone?  If I may ask, how much 
 does it cost?  Am currently using tune in premium, but would switch if 
 find something more cost effective.  
  
 From: Marie 
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
  
 Thank you for telling us about this app. I purchased it and used it today 
 and it is fantastic. Much like the original Pro Football Radio app but 
 better. What a bargain and I got to listen to the Seahawks game today 
 after all.
 Marie
  
  
 From: Andy Baracco 
 Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
  
 I have an app called Game Day. I can't remember how much it cost, but it 
 was cheap, around 3 dollars. You get multiple feeds for all of the teams. 
 I think it is a rebranding of the Pro Football Radio app. I do have that 
 one as well, and it still works, even though coverage was spotty during 
 the preseason because many stations don't stream the preseason games.
 Sirius XM is another alternative as well as Tunein Radio Premium.
  
 Andy
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alan Paganelli 
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:41 AM
 Subject: Re: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
  
 The problem with the NFL is they aren’t giving anything away for free if 
 you want to listen to NFL football you need to buy the entire package it 
 isn’t cheap and it isn’t fair  The NFL package was you get to watch 
 the games on TV which does me no good being totally like you also get 
 coaches watches which is also useless the only part of the package at a 
 useful for me is the radio broadcast where you hear the announcers 
 describe the games you used to be able to get that one alone for 40 bucks 
 for the entire season but now they want you to pay for the whole package 
 which is $99.99  I am not paying them 100 bucks just to listen to Chicago 
 bears lose again or any other team for that matter it isn’t worth 100 
 bucks for a blind man  The best thing the end FL can do is to fire Roger 
 get Dale he is the one who started this where everything has to cost money
 
 
 
 Alan 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5s
 
 On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Julie Dawson  wrote:
 
> perhaps allfootball?
> I remember it working.
> Live  simply,
>   Love generously,
>   Care  deeply,
>   Speak  kindly
>   And  leave the rest to God! 
> Please join me on
> www.gamesgaloreandmore.com 
> where through learning, friendship, activities, and growth, together we 
> can build a site to be proud of. 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: kellmast...@gmail.com 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:44 PM
> Subject: Listening to Pro Football on iPad
>  
> 
> A couple of years ago I recommended Pro Football Radio & Live Scores 
> +Highlights by JJACR Apps, LLC to a client to listen to football games.  
> It worked for him for a long time but he says this is no-longer the case. 
> Is there an app that is ac

RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I have also been pleasantly surprised with how well it has done.  I recall it 
did quite well on handwriting on some Christmas cards last year.  

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Richard 
Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

This is a great reminder to use the handwriting channel at work when people 
post notes on the restrooms, and post-it notes on documents, etc.

It would be nice to be able to rearrange the order of the channels to put the 
ones you use the most at the bottom so you can get to them faster.  I’m writing 
seein...@microsoft.com with that suggestion next.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terrie 
Terlau
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

What a wonderful experience! I am glad the handwriting channel worked so well. 
I will give it a try thanks to your success. I had been somewhat skeptical.
Terrie Terlau

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

Good morning, list.

First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can do 
email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up data 
on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.

Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting channel 
that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper taped to the 
top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first tried the K-NFB 
Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available to me for several 
years in its various forms on different platforms.  It found no text, even 
reporting the page was upside down.

Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time 
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went to 
the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had reported 
no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was oriented 
correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing AI processed 
it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that the dryer had 
taken their change and that it didn’t work.  I only wish I had discovered this 
before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to move the load to 
another dryer.

This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been 
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next load 
and had to go back to do it.

It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter 
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.  That 
was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.

It’s good that we have app choices so that if one doesn’t perform well in a 
given situation, we have others that might.

This all made for a pretty good day for me.

Bill Outman

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RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Richard Turner]

This is a great reminder to use the handwriting channel at work when people 
post notes on the restrooms, and post-it notes on documents, etc.

It would be nice to be able to rearrange the order of the channels to put the 
ones you use the most at the bottom so you can get to them faster.  I’m writing 
seein...@microsoft.com with that suggestion next.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terrie 
Terlau
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

What a wonderful experience! I am glad the handwriting channel worked so well. 
I will give it a try thanks to your success. I had been somewhat skeptical.
Terrie Terlau

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

Good morning, list.

First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can do 
email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up data 
on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.

Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting channel 
that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper taped to the 
top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first tried the K-NFB 
Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available to me for several 
years in its various forms on different platforms.  It found no text, even 
reporting the page was upside down.

Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time 
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went to 
the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had reported 
no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was oriented 
correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing AI processed 
it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that the dryer had 
taken their change and that it didn’t work.  I only wish I had discovered this 
before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to move the load to 
another dryer.

This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been 
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next load 
and had to go back to do it.

It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter 
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.  That 
was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.

It’s good that we have app choices so that if one doesn’t perform well in a 
given situation, we have others that might.

This all made for a pretty good day for me.

Bill Outman

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Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Kelly and everyone.

Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

Craig

On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a certain
> number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a partner,
> the big phone companies may get secret information, such as advanced
> notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move this
> inventory of old phones and AT&T needs to meet its quota or it will be
> forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through its sales
> channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted phones to AT&T
> who then sells them only to existing customers with really old phones
> at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap iPhone and the
> companies are happy because Apple was able to maintain pricing power,
> eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT&T can meet its sales quota this
> year.
>
> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live in
> a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
> only served by Verizon or AT&T. You may be in a similar situation.
>
> Kelly
>
> 
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> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.
>>
>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the $100
>> price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked him in
>> three different ways about whether there were hidden or undiscussed
>> costs associated with the purchase.  For instance, at one point, I
>> phrased the question in words very similar to these: "Can you assure
>> me that the phone is paid in full if I give you $100 and that no
>> change to my monthly bill will occur as a result of this purchase?"
>> He assured me this was true.  When I read your understandably
>> skeptical message, I phoned the manager of my provider's store and
>> asked him if I could mention the name of the provider on this user
>> group.  I wanted to represent the provider accurately, I said, having
>> been a customer for eighteen years.  He said yes, and added that the
>> provider, AT&T, is offering a limited time promotional offer for GO
>> Phone users in the northeastern U.S. of $100 for an iPhone Se.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> Sieghard, I am having to stay with Consumer Cellular at least six months
>>> to
>>> pay for my SE. I probably have no intention of leaving them, but that
>>> validates what you say. I have no idea what kind of penalty I would
>>> incur
>>> if
>>> I left them before payments are completed, which they will be on October
>>> 21.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>>>
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> I am not sure I totally understand how your provider works. You say they
>>> would sell you an iPhone SE for $100 and that is it? You could
>>> discontinue
>>> service with them a week later with no penelty?
>>> You say there is no contract, but I somehow doubt they give you a $350
>>> phone
>>> for $100 without charging you somewhere to recover the additional cost.
>>> How
>>> much do you pay per month?
>>> You don't of course have to answer, but I have found in 25 years of
>>> owining
>>> cell phones that if you get a phone at a reduced price the provider will
>>> charge you somewhere for that phone in addition to whatever reduced
>>> price
>>> you pay.
>>> I am always amazed how people here get into these 2-year contracts where
>>> they get a ph

RE: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Terrie Terlau]

What a wonderful experience! I am glad the handwriting channel worked so well. 
I will give it a try thanks to your success. I had been somewhat skeptical.

Terrie Terlau

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

 

Good morning, list.  

 

First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can do 
email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up data 
on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.  

 

Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting channel 
that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper taped to the 
top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first tried the K-NFB 
Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available to me for several 
years in its various forms on different platforms.  It found no text, even 
reporting the page was upside down.  

 

Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time 
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went to 
the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had reported 
no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was oriented 
correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing AI processed 
it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that the dryer had 
taken their change and that it didn’t work.  I only wish I had discovered this 
before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to move the load to 
another dryer.  

 

This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been 
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next load 
and had to go back to do it.  

 

It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter 
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.  That 
was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.  

 

It’s good that we have app choices so that if one doesn’t perform well in a 
given situation, we have others that might.  

 

This all made for a pretty good day for me.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Re: Speaking Bar in IOS 11

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
This has to do with an option in accessibility settings called speak screen. To 
turn it off go into your accessibility settings then into the speech settings. 
Once in there look for the speak screen setting and turn it to off. 

Greg Wocher

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:00 AM, Richard  wrote:
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> Can anyone shed some light on what this is, and how to be rid of it?
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> Thanks,
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Seeing AI success; handwriting channel

[Bill Outman]

Good morning, list.  

 

First, I am glad my modem problems at home were resolved yesterday, so I can
do email and surf the web at home whenever I want, and not have to gobble up
data on my iPhone because of not being connected to Wi-Fi.  

 

Before that happened, I had a success with Seeing AI in the handwriting
channel that was very fulfilling.  I was doing laundry and found a paper
taped to the top of one of the dryers at my apartment complex.  I first
tried the K-NFB Reader, a good program that I have enjoyed having available
to me for several years in its various forms on different platforms.  It
found no text, even reporting the page was upside down.  

 

Then I tried Microsoft Seeing AI which I was using live for the first time
after having played around in the help documentation last weekend.  I went
to the handwriting channel, figuring that might do the trick as K-NFB had
reported no text.  I assumed, it turned out correctly, that the paper was
oriented correctly when taped to the dryer.  I took the picture and Seeing
AI processed it very quickly.  I discovered that someone had written that
the dryer had taken their change and that it didn't work.  I only wish I had
discovered this before putting coins in it myself, only to learn I had to
move the load to another dryer.  

 

This blew me away a bit, finding I could do a task that has heretofore been
impossible.  I was so excited I forgot to start the washer with the next
load and had to go back to do it.  

 

It was a few minutes later when I grabbed the mail early from the letter
carrier and then the computer technician came to install the new modem.
That was the second attempt, as Earthlink had sent me a bed one last week.  

 

It's good that we have app choices so that if one doesn't perform well in a
given situation, we have others that might.  

 

This all made for a pretty good day for me.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Speaking Bar in IOS 11

[Richard]

Can anyone shed some light on what this is, and how to be rid of it?

Thanks,
Rick

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