Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Mark, What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site that is named governmentrant.org, or something like that. Your 2nd post here that I'm replying to now is more along the lines of an appropriate post for this list (sans the parting shot at the end). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on the rich. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While Im not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for benefits congress wants to give your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
[WISPA] External battery on UPS
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
The SNMP interface you can get for it. Web/telnet/ssh/snmp interface. I love the one from APC. I can reboot a tower site from my blackberry! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
What antenna are you using? Anyone used the 900MHz Rootenna? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a key too. leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass?
HIPAA is NOT your responsibility. It is the responsibility of the hospital/health care entity to make sure that they are HIPAA compliant at the point where they connect to the Internet. If they are unable to make that distinction, then doing business with them is asking for trouble because they are just playing the cover your ass game. They probably won't like hearing that, and it may not get you the business, but HIPAA has absolutely nothing to do with your network. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Scrivner wrote: Wireless broadband security issues have now officially led to my business being put into a bad light due to perceived lack of security. I am a member of a regional broadband planning group that is working with health care and other industry sectors to help deliver broadband options to all areas that need it. Rural Health centers and hospitals are all over the region and most need access to broadband which is highly secure. I need to know what others have done to bring HIPAA compliance assurance to network administrators and hospital personnel so that your solutions are chosen and used for health care connectivity. Currently my services are not being considered do to the perception of a lack of HIPAA security compliance. I need to get on top of this right now and welcome your thoughts and ideas. I would prefer to hear from those of you who have some actual knowledge of delivering HIPAA compliant connections or those who provide equipment which has been documented to meet HIPAA compliance. Thank you, John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass?
I have a customer who works from home transcribing mammogram notes from doctors into their system. Their IT department put a Cisco VPN router at the client side to connect to their VPN at the imaging center. We discussed HIPPA, and they were not worried about my side at all as they were encrypting the data. If it is a large enough organization, they will have IT support that understand HIPPA vs. Telecommuting. However, IT guys in large organizations tend to be skeptical of WISP service as they have not seen it much so don't want to vouch for its reliability or support it. So you can get the IT guys into the conversation but beware of the reluctance factor. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass? I think its important to understand where the client's fear comes from. Its thinking that they are opening their network wide up. HIPPA is making a client process compliant not the hardware itself, as just mentioned by someone. But one of the processes is what network policies does the hospitol allow that could compromise securty if it was not managed properly. They don't want something in palce that could be improperly managed. The intent may not jsut be HIPPA compliance, but their own good judgement on how to keep data secure. Its been written about on every corner how consumer wifi devices are hackable and not secure, and they remember that regardless if it has anything to do with your network. The key is to not have the customer AP/WiFiCPE be the mechanism of implimenting security. When it is shown that a third party device or other internal processes are responsible for doing the security, it takes away the WIFI as even being a variable to consider for breaching security. They can't critisize wifi for security if the securing method is not the wifi device. The last thing you want is to have your service be slow to be bought because some technical bouard is debating for months and months that security risks of your network. Just take it out of the equation, so there is no delay in buying your service, and they can figure out how to secure their network as a seperate transaction. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass? John, Do you have a listing of HIPPA security needs? One thing you can do is provide a secure tunnel, IPSEC is best, or a security on top of security approach. This tunnel will run from your customer equipment, his hospital, etc, to your boarder router etc that is connected via fiber or land line. At that point it is as secure as you can get it. So, if you use WEP, Ya security sux, but then put IPSEC inside that WEP packet, now you are talking. T1s can be tapped, seen it done. So with the WEP and IPSEC you are always talking secure. Add on top of that, the application, and whatever it uses for security, HTTPS, etc. It's a custom solution to a simple problem. The only thing now that they could complain about is what about someone sitting in the parking lot listening to packets sent and received. Can they do that with a T1 etc, well, ya you can TAP a T1, usually done on the switch side of things? All you can do then is maybe offer a dedicated backhaul to them, with a proportery protocol, something like Nstream would work, so now you have Nstream, running WEP encrypted packets that has IPSEC packets inside that. If the break it, they should get the data for the work they had to do. Or put up something like a optical service if you are close! That would eliminate that. Another question I would have to ask is, how secure is cable or DSL? Figure this, DSL lets every customer off of their DSLAM to coomuncate to each other, so does cable. If someone had the right cable modem and off the same segment, sure, they can capture every package that is going across the cable line! Thoughts. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Security biting you in the ass? Wireless broadband
Re: [WISPA] HIPAA
If I'm reading this information correctly, it states that the care providers are responsible for encrypting and decrypting electronically transmitted information. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] HIPAA A HIPAA consultant was at my luncheon yesterday. He pulled all this info for you: pulled a couple things below as background as well as the actual regulation. The one that pertains to this discussion is the last paragraph below. There is no strict rule as to how to secure and in actual fact, switched or dial-up networks are deemed more secure due to the random nature of the connection. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2003_registerdocid=fr20fe03-4.pdf The HIPAA Security Rule establishes specific requirements for securing all electronic protected health information (EPHI) -- while at rest (in servers or storage) or in motion (in transmission, wireless or wired). ‘‘Transmission security (refers to)… electronic protected health information is transmitted from one point to another, it must be protected in a manner commensurate with the associated risk.” § 164.312 Technical safeguards. A covered entity must, in accordance with § 164.306: (a)(1) Standard: Access control. Implement technical policies and procedures for electronic information systems that maintain electronic protected health information to allow access only to those persons or software programs that have been granted access rights as specified in § 164.308(a)(4). (2) Implementation specifications: (i) Unique user identification (Required). Assign a unique name and/or number for identifying and tracking user identity. (ii) Emergency access procedure (Required). Establish (and implement as needed) procedures for obtaining necessary electronic protected health information during an emergency. (iii) Automatic logoff (Addressable). Implement electronic procedures that terminate an electronic session after a predetermined time of inactivity. (iv) Encryption and decryption (Addressable). Implement a mechanism to encrypt and decrypt electronic protected health information. (b) Standard: Audit controls. Implement hardware, software, and/or procedural mechanisms that record and examine activity in information systems that contain or use electronic protected health information. (c)(1) Standard: Integrity. Implement policies and procedures to protect electronic protected health information from improper alteration or destruction. (2) Implementation specification: Mechanism to authenticate electronic protected health information (Addressable). Implement electronic mechanisms to corroborate that electronic protected health information has not been altered or destroyed in an unauthorized manner. (d) Standard: Person or entity authentication. Implement procedures to verify that a person or entity seeking access to electronic protected health information is the one claimed. (e)(1) Standard: Transmission security. Implement technical security measures to guard against unauthorized access to electronic protected health information that is being transmitted over an electronic communications network. (2) Implementation specifications: (i) Integrity controls (Addressable). Implement security measures to ensure that electronically transmitted electronic protected health information is not improperly modified without detection until disposed of. (ii) Encryption (Addressable). Implement a mechanism to encrypt electronic protected health information whenever deemed appropriate. Daniel L. Ruggles CISSP, CISM, CMC, IAM, PMP Principal Liaison Technologies, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link
Hi all, I have a consulting client that needs to do a 28 mile shot in licensed with throughput of up to 45meg. I am looking for any recommendations for something that is relatively inexpensive ($15,000 or less) and would require no larger than 4 foot dishes. Any sales droids out there, feel free to hit me offlist. This would be the first of ten or so of these links that would need to be deployed. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link
There is a lot of 5.8 in the area - I'd prefer to avoid it if possible. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gino A. Villarini wrote: I think Matt needs to go 5.8 ghz, A Orthogon Spectra or similar Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link I don't think what you want to do is possible Matt. 28 miles is a long way for many bands. Some of them might do it just fine in perfect weather... 6 gig would be a no brainier for this but you have to use 6' dishes. And I don't know that you'll find anything in your price range. If you want a ds3 38 gig link I've got one sitting in my office though. 2 or 3 miles is all it'll be good for though :-). laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link Hi Matt, We'll be in touch -Charles --- Sales Droid =/ --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link Hi all, I have a consulting client that needs to do a 28 mile shot in licensed with throughput of up to 45meg. I am looking for any recommendations for something that is relatively inexpensive ($15,000 or less) and would require no larger than 4 foot dishes. Any sales droids out there, feel free to hit me offlist. This would be the first of ten or so of these links that would need to be deployed. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Point to Point Link Help
Jory Privett wrote: I have a need for a new PtP link that is 12.5 miles. The LoS is good and the spectrum is pretty clean. I have 100' towers on both ends. I am looking to use a pair of Tranzeo TR-5plus-32f radios with antennas. I am hoping to get about 10-12M real world transfer with this link. Does anyone have experience with these radios?Can I expect this kind of bandwidth?Any other radio suggestions that you would make for this link? Jory Privett WCCS Save your money - you can do that with the 5a24 integrated antenna units. 12meg shouldn't be a problem. The setup you have specified here will work right out to the limits of the radios - 35 miles or so. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA website down - explanation
Hi all, My ISP suffered a six hour Internet backbone outage on Friday. The backbone provider to the CLEC that I buy backbone from had a cable go bad in Denver and it only took them five frickin hours to figure it out. The WISPA website is hosted here, so if you couldn't get to it, that is why. I hope everyone else had a better Friday than I did Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] long BH links
StarOS with 533mhz WAR boards will give you 25-30meg. Boards and radios will run you about $500 for each side. I just did a link in Wyoming yesterday at 24 miles with 26db PacWireless grids at 5.8ghz. I have a -73 signal and 20meg of throughput. This is with a 233mhz WAR board on one side and a 233mhz WRAP board on the other side. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] chris cooper wrote: At least 10 mb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] long BH links Whats the bw requirements? We have up to 40 milers using Motorola BH10 units Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cooper Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] long BH links We have a client that has needs for some BH links that stretch @ 23 miles. Links need to be reliable, but cost, as always, is an issue. The Orthogons are nice, but the price point can be pretty steep. The link budget works with tranzeos but I am a little concerned about reliability. How about the Atlas? Any other suggestions? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] remote power
These are the best ones by far http://www.webpowerswitch.com/ The low end unit is only $139 or something like that. They have autoping and remote web interface as well. I haven't seen anything else come close for the price. Their rackmount units are awesome too, for $295 with 16 outlets and multiple autoping configurations. I am putting these everywhere on my network, and at the $139 price point I can afford to put them even on my little repeater sites. As far as I'm concerned - every WISP AP should have one of these at the bottom. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] chris cooper wrote: Can anyone share what they use for remote power management/reboot devices? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
The above confuses me. In the situation where I have a PtP radio using the full band there is no colocation opportunity for a competitor on either side. That means the competitor would have be on a site near by to be affected by me and/or to affect me. If this hypothetical competitor doesn't have any customers then the deployment must be PtMP base station since a PtP wouldn't be very useful without a customer. Certainly the power output from a PtMP base station is going to be considerably less than my PtP link making it unlikely my equipment would be affected. Further, equipment that uses large channel widths tend to run simple modulations that have very good receive sensitivity. Several of us on this list know how to shut down these large channel backhauls, and have done so when they have intentionally interfered with our operations. Be ready for someone to do the same to you if you try using a full-band backhaul. More than one operator who thought they would take over the entire band got a rude surprise when the gear suddenly didn't work anymore. 24ghz is a completely different story, as the beam sizes are very small and lots of colocation can take place. I think you are on the right track with the 24ghz solution. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Orlando May 23-25
I'll take OLSR, please Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Broadwick wrote: From Doug: Another good topic for ISPCON would be an introduction to OLSR (Optimized Link State Routing). This routing protocol is beginning to replace OSPF on wireless ISP networks and other mobile and meshed networks. I've found that many providers don't know it even exists, much less how to use it. I'd be happy to speak on this as well. Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Orlando May 23-25 With all the FUD surrounding CALEA that would be a great idea. He might want to team up with Kris Twomey, attorney of the ISP stars. - Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Jeff Broadwick wrote: Doug Hass is looking at building a session on CALEA. Would that be of interest? Doug has an extensive data background, is well published, and is currently in law school, so he would have a very cogent perspective on this matter. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON Orlando May 23-25 If you have ideas for sessions that you want to see at the next ISPCON, please let me know. Also, good time to book your room and your family trip for Orlando. Kayak.com has a great rate for the room at the Rosen at $150. Marriott condos are just $225. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades
If your IP addy's aren't changing often you can use ntop to classify traffic for you. I use it to tell whether or not traffic is human-generated or if it's from a worm or p2p. http://www.ntop.org Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades That might be interesting. In our case we don't mind (much) if that happens. Naturally, it's totally against out TOS. However, we bill per bit. If you want to share it with everyone around you, you just have to pay for the privilege. And I don't get stuck with all of the tech support :-). One thing I wish I did have was something that would tell me what protocol people were using most. I think that might help me spot the ptp junkies. I did ask him to add an average figure anywhere there was a total. Like what's the average of all users? How about the top 25 users? etc. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades now that's cool. See if Brandon can figure out the how many hosts are behind that IP address solution where you can then figure out who's reselling your service or just plain sharing it with everyone and their neighbor, at your expense. I've heard there's a set of bytes in the netflow headers that will tell you the mac address of the host behind the NAT box... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades Brandon has just made some changes on our tracking system. The biggest one is that we can now see top users per day. This will allow us to follow more of what's going on at night. Like yesterday, someone sent 3 gigs up to the net. They've got something on their machine that they are really not gonna want. Trying to pick that one customer out of all of the traffic that normally goes on was a real pain. With the new stuff it was a cake walk. radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack laters, marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AP Search
StarOS would handle this easily. I tried Mikrotik with a setup like this, and it just didn't work quite right. FWIW, I have a StarOS AP with approx 50 customers on it that has been up for almost a year. Not a single reboot, just works. StarOS will also do hotspot type authentication as well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forbes Mercy wrote: We're still looking for the ideal Access Point. We realize we can't pack much more then 30-40 on these so that's one limitation. We use basically three types: Older Smartbridges 2510 which are great units but unavailable, the New Smartbridges replacements which don’t seem to want to consistently stay up and Engenius AP's. The reason we like the Smartbridge is because it allows a pass through username/password style of authentication that bypasses the switch so we can have a centralized access granted in our radius server and it interfaces to our billing. We haven't found another like it. On the other hand the Engenius has to have authentication through the switch before radius so the AP is essentially open to relaying from unethical competitors while the smartbridges. We're pretty sick of the new smartbridges being not only unreliable but takes forever to put in a MAC through it's overly complicated and slow loading internal menus. If you have any others that can work like the old 2510' s with good capacity and pass through radius please let me know. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AP Search
Hi Dennis, In my deployment, Mikrotik would not handle the radius authentication by MAC address like StarOS does. I also like to use the Orinoco cards for my access points, and Mikrotik does not have a driver for those cards - whereas StarOS has an excellent driver. I wanted to try out Mikrotik on my network, and I do have a couple of MT APs on my network, but they are not integrated with my radius/provisioning system and they are going to be replaced as soon as I can get out to them. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: Matt, I am curious, I have used staros, and it is a good OS. Don't get me wrong. It does work and it works well. I am wondering what about the MT in the setup did you not like, or like better in star os? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP Search StarOS would handle this easily. I tried Mikrotik with a setup like this, and it just didn't work quite right. FWIW, I have a StarOS AP with approx 50 customers on it that has been up for almost a year. Not a single reboot, just works. StarOS will also do hotspot type authentication as well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forbes Mercy wrote: We're still looking for the ideal Access Point. We realize we can't pack much more then 30-40 on these so that's one limitation. We use basically three types: Older Smartbridges 2510 which are great units but unavailable, the New Smartbridges replacements which don't seem to want to consistently stay up and Engenius AP's. The reason we like the Smartbridge is because it allows a pass through username/password style of authentication that bypasses the switch so we can have a centralized access granted in our radius server and it interfaces to our billing. We haven't found another like it. On the other hand the Engenius has to have authentication through the switch before radius so the AP is essentially open to relaying from unethical competitors while the smartbridges. We're pretty sick of the new smartbridges being not only unreliable but takes forever to put in a MAC through it's overly complicated and slow loading internal menus. If you have any others that can work like the old 2510' s with good capacity and pass through radius please let me know. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yeah...66 blocks or 110? Charles, if Brian doesn't want your cable, I may be interested...give him dibs, though... ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Can't get the attachment on the list... Offlist, maybe? URL, maybe? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
Wind storms came through last night. Power out at 6 sites this morning, various power companies. Started at 6 this morning...Put in 2 generators, purchased 8 marine batteries and patched them into my APC UPS units. 2 sites now still running on batteries, 2 on generators. Will be a late night I think... George, I would imagine you guys had it worse out there on the coast... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
You guys totally one-upped me on these...so thanks for making me feel not so bad!!! ;) Still got one site without power...have a generator charging the UPS. When the generator runs out of fuel, the UPS (SNMP card) e-mails us to tell us it has about 20 hours on battery for us to get gas into the generator. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!! For us in little old Yakima we have a crumpled and twisted 50 foot tower that pulled the guy wire support concrete and all about 15 feet clean out of the ground while the tower was falling. It took six access points/antennas, of that we saved three of the radios and four of the antennas but it did hit the power line and the wait was two days for the power company. Do get back up we put in a wood pole and remounted all new equipment. We had the Canopy high end accounts back up in 4 hours and the rest of the 2.4 people up by days end. I had to go up about every 10 hours to change batteries until the power was back on. We have been blessed with good weather since the big storm so thank goodness for that. We measured 75 MPH gusts during the storm but of seven towers only had one crash and one with turned AP antennas. Then the customers with antennas that spun away from our tower started coming in. In all we have/are handling about 115 open tickets of which every staff member will be out in trucks Monday. I had to do Business Class customers all weekend since they have 24/7 response in their contract.One thing for sure using tripods or pole mounts are much better then some of the roof water pipe installs I found this week. Those always fail first. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TEST (please ignore)
Then you'll appreciate this: http://www.uwol.net/bday/videos/BigBottom-768.wmv That's me singing... twas a 40th birthday party for me and I invited all my musician friends to have a big jam session. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] TEST (please ignore) I just twiddled a few knobs on the WISPA mail server. Specifically, I turned it up to eleven. :) (Okay, so it was just routine OS updates, but the above version was funnier. I'm just making sure nothing's broken.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
I cured myself - sort of. :^) I stopped building out new tower sites in June 2006, other than a few little repeaters that were pretty basic network extensions with no tower work involved. A couple of months before that, I also stopped doing new leases for CPE equipment. In August, I had one employee leave and we decided not to replace him. Oh yeah, also bumped up my installation charges from $150 to $250 for new installs. End result - all new equipment is now bought out of cash flow. Number of customer installs went down, but net customers continues to increase each month.Cash flow position has never been better, and gets better every month. My original debt and lease payments start to come off the books in March of next year. At this point, I can drive for two hours in every direction from my house before I get to the ends of my network, and I'm tired of driving so I'm done expanding geographically. I will continue to deploy picocells and fill in areas within the footprint where we don't have capacity. I'm also planning to put in more 5ghz equipment and continue moving higher consumption customers over to that system. There is some work there, but it is a far cry from the long hours and crazy buildouts of the last three years for me. Unfortunately, instead of taking time off to savor things, I have a consulting client with 400 towers in rural areas around the US that they want to light up with wireless Internet. So I will be spending the next year putting my freed up time into that project. That should cure my desire to keep building out on my own system. Kevin Suitor told me something at WISPCON III that I will never forget. He said that this (meaning wireless broadband) was about a seven to ten year industry. By the tenth year, it will all be commoditized and all of the original innovators will have sold out or moved into the corporate world. In the meantime, it will be a really fun ride and lots of people will have amazing opportunities to make money and do neat things. My late father had a saying (common in these rural areas) Make hay while the sun is shining. The sun is shining on this industry right now, and I'm going to do everything I can to make the most of the opportunity. I feel that if I can play my cards right, I'll be retired by the time I'm 40. I'll probably be ready to start on something else by the time I'm 41, but my goal is that work will be a choice and not a necessity by then and I can spend a lot of quality time with Monique and Diego. Oh yeah, I'd also like to get together with Mac and Scriv and a bunch of my wireless buddies for beers and talking about the old days a couple times a year. Hopefully on a beach somewhere. A person can dream, right? Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac Dearman wrote: Gino, That's a question that Larsen and I have been hunting an answer to for a couple years. We both said we were going to sit back and collect some of our initial investments back over a year ago. I know Larsen is still hanging gear in every town along the 3 States he borders (get 'em son) and also created one of the longest production wireless backhaul links (60+ miles) of anybody anywhere that I am aware of. I too have built 7 new towers in the last few months and built out about a dozen new towns and gone to all fiber. My point is this - - - it's a vicious circle! When is enough - enough? We get a new tower up and swear this is the last, but from that tower there is another community that is yet without internet connectivity and just one more little hop will get them caught! It's a never ending story - - - looks like we need a wireless anonymous group to help us break the cycle!! If you find the cure - - send Larsen and myself a double dose. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] salary The question I always ask myself is when to stop upgrading and expanding.. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Terabeam Turbocell - Flash to 802.11b
Anyone know if there is a way to flash Terabeam/Proxim EtherAnt-Turbo wireless units with 802.11b firmware? I've got about 70 of these on 2 sites that I'm wanting to move away from Turbocell and I don't want to replace them all at once. Thanks... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...
Hi Ryan, My favorite AP setup for 2.4 is StarOS/Orinoco card/YDI amplifier/YDI 180deg sector antenna - however some of these parts are getting harder to find and/or don't work for a lot of situations. So here is the most common one that I am deploying as of late: StarOS/prism2511/tranzeo h-pol sector A WRAP with a 2511 will serve about 50 or 60 customers in 2.4. A loaded up PC with four Orinoco cards and four sectors will serve about 250-260 customers. Some have said that you can do more, but that is the most I've been able to do at one site. If you don't need radius authentication, or want to use hotspot-style authentication, I'm sure that a WRAP board with one of the new atheros chipset b/g cards would probably be the most compatible with a CPQ. FWIW, I have 1000+ subs on my staros access points, and the breakdown is probably 50% 200-15, 30% 80-15 and 20% CPQ radios. The CPQs are the best of them all for performance, reliability and ease of installation. Hope that helps. I'll take a shot at the other issues surfacing in this thread later. :^) Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan Spott wrote: N White wrote, On 12/28/2006 11:30 PM: Nick. Is. A. God. (and has EXCELLENT reading comprehension!) Correction. It's late, I'm tired, and have had too much wine. I meant that the TRCPQ is Atheros based, not TRCPE. This is from a Tranzeo list: The CPE90 is Marvell. The 900, the CPQ, the 6000, the 49, and the 5a are all Atheros based. The CPE200, the 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000 were Prism based. The CPE80 was Atmel. -Damian Wallace I was looking for that Damian Wallace post! Also, if you decide to go the StarOS/Mikrotik way, make sure you upgrade all of your Tranzeo gear to the latest firmwares. All of my TRCPQ are up to date.. I have a script that does it for me. :) (pointing and clicking on each CPE/Q gets REALLY tiresome after a while!) Thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC
AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package hauling service http://www.usxpress.com/ The device communicates back to the office via Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper. According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and sending its data whenever it can. I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the list. How do I know? My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users to make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of WiFi. These cover major portions of several towns. These towns have a major Interstate route passing through them. I began noticing numerous TRUCKPC leases being granted by the DHCP servers in these towns. I became concerned about what they were, so I did a little internet research and ended up on the phone with technical support at Drivertech. This is who confirmed how these devices operate and who the probable fleet culprit was. If anyone has portals near major truck routes, check your DHCP logs and see if you see the TRUCKPC SSID grabbing leases. You may want to either block it or contact these folks and work out a roaming agreement. Serious part over, joke follows: This message brought to you by the World's largest free wireless internet provider. Look for our SSID wherever you go: Linksys. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for802.11b/g Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in Federal Prison as we speak ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
Keep a list of 'discovered' DHCP servers and their mac addresses in a table. Usually, the LAN mac address of the consumer routers is one off from the WAN mac address, so we should be able to quickly identify who has plugged their router in backwards. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS I'd like to throw this out for the weekend. I want to gather some ideas for IMPLEMENTATIONS you'd like to see with existing RouterOS technology. I have a few that I can think of off the top of my head that I will try to get documented (some possibly for free - to be posted on my website). For example: 1. Automated virus detection - this application would need to be able to detect virus like activity (whatever that means) and automatically cause the offender - if they are on-net - to be disconnected except for the ability to visit http://housecall.antivirus.com and test to see if they have removed the virus(es) before allowing full access again. 2. Automatically build a list of valid SMTP servers based on servers that have been used to check email (I've done this one several times). This will prevent those viruses and spam trojans from getting your IP blacklisted if you NAT. 3. Queue mechanism that implements an automated fair access policy (similar to what some of the satellite companies do) - I have done something SIMILAR to this, but implementing this properly will take a bit more work. OK...So I've got you started...now step forth with your ideas (either implemented already or just a wish-list) and let's come up with some really cool stuff! While we're at it, you can let me know what you think of the above ideas...are they worth the effort? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Thanks Mac and Travis... This does sound like a no-brainer. How about a 12-mile link with 5.3 or 5.8? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
I'm assuming this is 5.8, not 5.3, right? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have several 18 20 mile links using the MT RB532/SR5 w/Pacwireless Dish on one side and a 26dbi (was out of 29dbi) with complete success Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Thanks Mac and Travis... This does sound like a no-brainer. How about a 12-mile link with 5.3 or 5.8? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
How about the ability to place a customer name in the ACL for non-RouterOS CPEs? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS I'd like to throw this out for the weekend. I want to gather some ideas for IMPLEMENTATIONS you'd like to see with existing RouterOS technology. I have a few that I can think of off the top of my head that I will try to get documented (some possibly for free - to be posted on my website). For example: 1. Automated virus detection - this application would need to be able to detect virus like activity (whatever that means) and automatically cause the offender - if they are on-net - to be disconnected except for the ability to visit http://housecall.antivirus.com and test to see if they have removed the virus(es) before allowing full access again. 2. Automatically build a list of valid SMTP servers based on servers that have been used to check email (I've done this one several times). This will prevent those viruses and spam trojans from getting your IP blacklisted if you NAT. 3. Queue mechanism that implements an automated fair access policy (similar to what some of the satellite companies do) - I have done something SIMILAR to this, but implementing this properly will take a bit more work. OK...So I've got you started...now step forth with your ideas (either implemented already or just a wish-list) and let's come up with some really cool stuff! While we're at it, you can let me know what you think of the above ideas...are they worth the effort? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS....
This puts an extra line on the list for each customer, right? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cool ideas for RouterOS On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: How about the ability to place a customer name in the ACL for non-RouterOS CPEs? Like this? / interface wireless access-list add mac-address=00:11:F5:62:4E:F6 interface=wirelesshotspot \ authentication=yes forwarding=no \ comment=Butch Toshiba Laptop disabled=no This comment shows up on the registration table, too. Anything beyond this is not something that the MT can do (or will do). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What's everyone using for Bandwidth Management?
StarOS. Jeremy Davis and I put together a module for Freeside that uploads bandwidth rules into a StarOS BW controller automatically. It has made life a lot easier. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've spent the past week working on getting my bandwidth management system up and running. I opted to go with PowerCode's product because it seemed to be so comprehensive, but the documentation is less than adequate and I spend a lot of time on the phone with their support staff trying to get some of the fundamental functions to work. With that said, I thought it would be worth finding out what everyone else is using. Thanks in advance, Jim -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Ben, A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? B) If so, can we order mounts separately? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Tim, When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This can be seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4 U-Bolt (U-Bolts not provided). Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Ben Moore Sales Manager Pacific Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Thanks...to confirm... It sounds like the only thing that is different is the L-Bracket to make it the HDGD5X-XX? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Mark, Yes, the new model will work fine with the stock that distributors have on hand or parts that have been shipped in the past. The parts can be purchased separately. Part #'s are as follows: 5600687 - L-Bracket Only 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit Regards, Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Ben, A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? B) If so, can we order mounts separately? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Tim, When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This can be seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4 U-Bolt (U-Bolts not provided). Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Ben Moore Sales Manager Pacific Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
ok, we're close... Help me out. I'm not familiar with your grid antennas at all, and therefore not familiar with your mounts, and I'm sure that others aren't as well. You mentioned: 5600687 - L-Bracket Only 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit So what we will need if we have a grid dish is a 5600687 and a 5200223, or do we need all 3 parts to make the HD mount work? Thanks for your patience... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion The L-Bracket is the main difference. The hardware included in the kit is also a bit different due to the fact that the L-Bracket is tapped. Thanks, Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Thanks...to confirm... It sounds like the only thing that is different is the L-Bracket to make it the HDGD5X-XX? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Mark, Yes, the new model will work fine with the stock that distributors have on hand or parts that have been shipped in the past. The parts can be purchased separately. Part #'s are as follows: 5600687 - L-Bracket Only 5200223 - Wire Grid Bracket kit 5200224 - Die Cast Bracket kit Regards, Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Ben, A) Will these fit the models that the resellers have in stock now? B) If so, can we order mounts separately? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Hello Tim, When purchasing the grids the next time, select the HDGD58-29 antennas. These come with a new L-Bracket that attaches to the reflector in 4 locations. The L-Bracket is also tapped for easy installation. This can be seen on page 2 of the spec sheet: http://pacwireless.com/products/GD58_Data_Sheet.pdf If needed, these new L-Brackets will accommodate a 4 U-Bolt (U-Bolts not provided). Drop me your address and we can send you a sample of the L-bracket. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Ben Moore Sales Manager Pacific Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax
Re: [WISPA] Quick-Connect PoE at CPE
Used one of these quick-connect pigtails today on a Tranzeo installation. Had to bore the hole out on the waterproof boot to 7/8 (I expected this), and it worked like a charm. A nice, unexpected bonus is that the cable on this pigtail is less stiff than the outdoor cable I use, so it bends, stuffs into the boot and slips into the RJ45 jack on the CPE much better than the other cable. On the down-side of this install, I left my tool belt somewhere prior to this afternoon and had to get by with other tools in the truck. Slow-going when you have to work out of your element. :( Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick-Connect PoE at CPE Pac Wireless makes them: http://pacwireless.com/products/RJ45-ECS.shtml Mark Nash wrote: George, awhile back I got from you a cat5 pigtail that had a quick-connect fitting on it. I think I can use these for my Tranzeo CPEs if I bore out the hole in the boot of the CPE. This could speed up installs some troubleshooting as well, as we can disconnect the customer's PoE cable and plug into it directly from the inverter in my truck without taking off the boot and risking water problems. How to you obtain these? and do you put on the pigtail portion of it or do they come terminated? What are others doing for this? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar power
David... Any news on this potential sub-$1k solar system? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Solar power We are testing a solar solution right now and will get back with you on the results. It will be sub $1,000 if the testing goes well. I will report it to the list when we get the full results. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar power I appreciate the info, but for what I need, $5000 isn't even close to being worth it. This is for ONE AP (Deliberant 7000). I was thinking if I could stay in the $500 range it might be OK, but anything more than that would not make sense for me in THIS case. In other instances it might, but not this one. Thanks for this though. I'll keep it in case I run into an instance where I do need something like this. Great info! - Original Message - From: Alan Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar power I have some - the typical shopping list is like this: Kyocera solar panels - 4 kc130-k, at approx. 680.00 each - gives me 14 volts at 14 amps on a good day (to charge batteries) Mounting hardware - varies 100-200 wiring harnesses between panels - 50.00 wiring harness to charge controller (below) 20 Trojan l16H batteries - 2 to 4, at 270 each (+/-) wiring interconnects - Series to 12 volts, parallel from there 30.00 fuses and cutoff switch between batteries and everything else 40.00 fuses and cutoff switch between panels and everything else 40.00 charge controller - I have used shell 20's (120.00 with enclosure) successfully, though they are a bit low rated for the solar load - I have gone to Xantrex charge controllers with cute lights and battery temperature sensors (twice as much - 245 plus 29) voltage regulator (90.00) for 12 v to 18 v boost (range 6 v to 24 v) timer 50.00 (sometimes I set them up to be off from 1 am to 5 am, to save power during the gray, foggy period coming up)(December 1 to February 1) - that's why 4 batteries, too. It is better to add batteries than panels for the most part (see Kyocera panels above) and auto tilting mounts don't give us that much advantage up here above 45degrees north - just a few percent. In the southern lands, I'd give them a try. Enclosure for the stuff - varies, depending on whether I find a sweet box or build a little hut. ($ whatever) Grounding stuff. - rods, #2 copper wire, wire lugs, clamps. 100.00 About 5000.00 for a decent power setup for me. I am using Tranzeo radios, at 18 volts. Very Christmas-like, with the flickering lights on top of the tower... I have a generator handy for charging on really bad stretches - a Honda 2000i, for about 900.00, with a SERIOUS cable lock. And if the lousy communists/free spending democrats/stinking republican fascists/religious true believing kooks/screwed up militarists/nasty bird flu ridden ducks/global frying eco-terrorists/flaming radical libertarians make everything bad, I can harvest my stuff to power my house (WOO HOO!!) H maybe I should go take a look. I Am Armed. And carry sharp Multimeter probes. And, it's fun - bragging rights, ya know. I'll send you drawings if you want (on my time schedule - I am in the middle of an assembly right now :} ) There are several good supply houses for the parts, and most of them are Very Helpful. I'd tell you who I use, but that would be Bad Form. www.bigdam.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Well, it was time to stir the pot for the new year...
Well, lets really spice it up thenI'm going to stir the pot in this direction for this post Alvarion has done a great job of producing a product that does an excellent job delivering value to their customers and has several unique features that will keep it on a different level above what the open source/standard hardware crew will ever be capable of. They maintain strict control over the hardware components and feel it is important to keep continuity with their already existing products. There are some valid technical reasons for doing things that way, and some equally valid business reasons for having equipment that is non-standard. Alvarion is in business TO MAKE MONEY - and they have done an excellent job retaining value and delivering a consistently usable product to the WISP industry while making money. This is not a hobby for them. Mark, you unfortunately fall into the hardware trap of humping your radios and spending a heck of a lot of time worrying about having the neatest gadget for your wisp. You are in a rural area and don't have to worry about issues of scale. If you continue to spend all that time putting together each radio and trying to micromanage each customer connection you will not scale beyond a couple hundred customers. Alvarion has put together products that have a steeper initial learning curve but are very flexible, very manageable and will scale. I know of one Alvarion operator that is at 18,000 customers - you don't reach that level putting your own CPEs together and requiring the high level of installation skill to put a StarOS or MT based CPE into service. You might think that Alvarion and others are Late to the Party but you have Missed the Boat when it comes to building your core business around a scalable, manageable product. I am personally really glad to see Alvarion taking a more involved interest in the WISP market. I think they have recognized that they can learn a lot from some of the cowboys out there. Just remember that we can learn a lot from them as well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... When a market knows it must contend with fraudulent product AND that a good percentage of that market will support the fraud, what's the decision you think vendors will make when it comes to prioritizing investments in this business? Licensed or unlicensed? WISPs or a market segment that buys only legal product? For Pete's sake people, you think your actions don't have actual consequences just because you are staying within the legal power limits? Some of you make guys make the jobs of guys like me who seriously give a rip real, real hard. Aw, give it a rest, Patrick. Valemount's product runs rings around many in terms of features.So, how many MILLIONS would it take for Alvarion to produce a box that does what WISP's need it to do? Not even as much as you spend producing stuff that costs too much for some to use. So, exactly WHO is to blame when software vendor X produces what we REALLY need, hardware vendor Y produces what we REALLY need, and the people who want to have the secret black boxes with unknown guts under the hood won't listen and learn? The fact is, that the little guy... the Joe Blow Schmuck is 5 X more capable of figuring out what it is he wants than a whole team of highly paid product developers who won't listen. While you may get engineers to figure out every last possible means of adjusting the 802.11 MAC and doing really cool stuff with it, who's to blame for thinking we should BRIDGE our networks together?If Schmuck A can figure out how to build a workable board in China, Schmuck B can find some great working little mini-pci radios with INDUSTRY STANDARD connectors on both the cpu board and the card and Schmuck C can figure out how to put a FREE OS together and then develop some drivers to do the cool RF stuff, and all the rest of us dullard schmucks are still bright enough to figure out how to PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER and use them to dramatic advantage over what the engineers and developers keep trying to foist on us... Exactly WHO is to blame? Maybe we're collectivley to blame because we didn't pony 200 bucks up each and get some lab to FCC certify the assembly?I dunno. Exactly WHOSE fault is that?I dunno. I don't know that it's even our fault at all. Maybe the laws need to be updated to reflect the reality of the industry and the state of our technology. So then while I congratulate Lonnie's innovation, he needs to come clean and go legal. Lonnie's not doing a dang thing illegal.Well, I hope he's not. Maybe he secretly runs stop signs on some back road in a fit of legal defiance... but certainly neither you nor I
Re: [WISPA] Well, it was time to stir the pot for the new year...
And now to stir it in the other direction If Alvarion is serious about making the VL platform their new standard bearer for residential, there is a little bit of work to be done. While I understand the need for non-standard items at times, things like the special ethernet cable, non-standard management interface (snmp, not telnet or web based) and lack of simple routing capability are pretty big problems. I am seriously considering VL for some future deployments, but I will have to invest a fair amount of time retraining my techs and installers on how to properly deal with it. The main Alvarion competitors (Motorola, Trango, Tranzeo) do a pretty good job of having simple installation processes with standard procedures for cabling, web interfaces to change settings in the field and some simple routing capabilities. If there is a scalability issue with VL, it is in these installation limitations. Ok, now.RANT MODE ON I have a really hard time having a lot of respect for the legal and enforcement framework surrounding not just the broadband wireless industry but the ISP business in general. The Telecom Act of '96 has been completely gutted by lawyers, lobbyists and the current administration into a toothless tiger. Unlicensed wireless gear for broadband only exists because of a loophole - when the bands were created it was not thought to be feasible to deliver any kind of reliable connection in noisy, interference prone spectrum. Cell phone company valuations are based in large part on the value of their spectrum holdings, and the government is dependent on spectrum auctions to help fund other activities, so the idea of unlicensed spectrum is kryptonite for big businesses and many in government that shudder at the thought of not having complete control over all things telecom related. Simply put, we aren't supposed to exist, and the system is heavily stacked against us. So when I hear people saying things like the only thing that can take out Canopy is other Canopy and that it hurts the entire industry to use gear that may or may not be entirely legal (even if it fulfills the technical requirements of legality but hasn't passed the paperwork test) - I laugh quietly and to myself. Here's why... Thinking that one kind of unlicensed is going to be the Darwinian survivor of the unlicensed spectrum wars is also folly. If it is unlicensed, it can be taken out - and it can be taken out legally. Yes, Canopy too. It takes special resources to build a nuclear bomb, but it doesn't take much to build the unlicensed spectrum equivalent of a nuclear bomb. So you Motorola guys can get off your high horse, when the bomb goes off you are just as cooked as the guy using wifi based gear. Licensed guys aren't exactly immune either. WiMax isn't designed to handle interference well, so I would imagine that those neat self-install WiMax CPE radios have a lovely time when the neighbor kid turns on his hacked Linksys router running in 2.5ghz and the noise floor goes through the roof. There are lots of folks using products that aren't legal and they are going to get away with it because the law is unenforcable. Yes, there are examples of people who will get fined, and probably a few high-profile cases to scare the rest. But there are millions of software definable chipsets out there that can be modified to do all kinds of crazy things in both unlicensed AND licensed spectrum. The cat is out of the bag, and our current legislative structure has no hope of getting it back in. Running an omni at 40db in 2.4ghz is about as serious an infraction as downloading unlicensed music from Bit Torrent, and both have an equal probability of being prosecuted. DISCLAIMER: All of the systems that I have deployed now have certs for the radio/amp/antenna combinations and run at or below the allowed power for the band. Just because I don't like the system doesn't mean that I'm going to start the revolution and flaunt the rules. The saddest thing to me is seeing the faces at ISPCON and thinking about how many more used to be around a few years ago. I look at guys like Travis Johnson, John Scrivner or Rick Harnish and wonder about the other ten guys that used to be there. They are probably insurance salesmen or working in a used car lot somewhere after their ISP either folded up or was gobbled up by a big operator when it was clear that things were not sustainable. When I think about how close I was to that same fate, I start to wonder what good did the legal framework do for the independent ISP? UNE and reciprocal comp are gone - wholesale rates for DSL are higher than the retail rates that the ILEC charge and now the modem pool providers are starting to feel the heat. We've got unlicensed wireless, and it was so worthless that it is called the junk band. The real tragedy is the death of so many ISPs, and the loss of innovation with it.
[WISPA] testorama
testing the new mail server. Matt vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Scalability of 802.11a based broadband equipment
Did a little arithmetic tonight... I have a Tranzeo TR5plus access point on my wireless network. Other than being limited by a 10meg ethernet port (it is installed at a noisy FM tower location, and the speed must be turned down to 10meg to keep a reliable connection) - it is a perfectly standard setup. It is hooked up to a 16db H-pol 90 degree sector, and customer ranges are 1 mile to 26 miles. The majority of these customers are on a 1meg plan, with a few 2meg and one 8meg in the mix. This access point has 85 associations on it. Of those 85, two are repeater sites. One has 35 additional customers on it, and the other has 8. Add them all up, and this one AP is passing traffic for almost 130 customers. I see it peak around 6 meg sustained download (4 meg or so sustained upload) and if I run a speed test at my house (which is one of the customers off this access point) I can pull 8meg back to my NOC. Anyone who says that 802.11a gear won't scale is full of it. I'd like to see a Canopy based system that would even come close to delivering that kind of performance. I'm planning to deploy 5ghz gear to as many of my AP locations as possible this year. The money spent on that access point is probably the best money I've spent on wireless gear since I started my current WISP. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Scalability of 802.11a based broadband equipment
The AP is a 5plus, with a 90 degree 16db H-pol sector. I use the SL5 (16db) up to about 5 miles, 5a20 up to 10 miles, 5a24 8 to 18 miles and 5plus with 26db grid up to 25 miles. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: what antenna are you using at the ap? what are you using for customers past 15 miles? marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Scalability of 802.11a based broadband equipment Did a little arithmetic tonight... I have a Tranzeo TR5plus access point on my wireless network. Other than being limited by a 10meg ethernet port (it is installed at a noisy FM tower location, and the speed must be turned down to 10meg to keep a reliable connection) - it is a perfectly standard setup. It is hooked up to a 16db H-pol 90 degree sector, and customer ranges are 1 mile to 26 miles. The majority of these customers are on a 1meg plan, with a few 2meg and one 8meg in the mix. This access point has 85 associations on it. Of those 85, two are repeater sites. One has 35 additional customers on it, and the other has 8. Add them all up, and this one AP is passing traffic for almost 130 customers. I see it peak around 6 meg sustained download (4 meg or so sustained upload) and if I run a speed test at my house (which is one of the customers off this access point) I can pull 8meg back to my NOC. Anyone who says that 802.11a gear won't scale is full of it. I'd like to see a Canopy based system that would even come close to delivering that kind of performance. I'm planning to deploy 5ghz gear to as many of my AP locations as possible this year. The money spent on that access point is probably the best money I've spent on wireless gear since I started my current WISP. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo 90-15 for 80-15 swap, anyone?
I have about 25 CPE90-15 radios that I would like to trade for 80-15 radios. The 90-15s work fine, but seem to have some kind of issues with my network at times that doesn't seem to affect the 80-15s, and my techs don't like the user interface, so we decided to get them out of the loop. Anyone interested, let me know. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] way OT: Did I mention I love the WISP business?
. Outside of the service, we had little in common, or less. But there we all wore green. We all toiled in the paradoxical boredom of maintain gear and training, largely in the hope that we'd really never need to use those things we kept squared away. My brothers-in-arms could get on my nerves second only to my little brother, and I often found myself apologizing to the locals overseas in the wake of my peers' youthful boorishness and cluelessness about offending our host nationals. But put those guys together and they could do anything, they could build a machine from the dirt; they could solve any problem. I discovered among them artists, musicians, and any number of wonderous talents. I would have fought alongside with any of them (well, almost) and Lord knows I broke up more fights than I can remember many a late night out, as happens when young, fit and hard-partying men get bored and get stupid. But because I loved and respected them, I challenged them and did what I could to pull out their excellence. The camaraderie and sense of mission we shared was indescribable, as were the frustrations and conflicts engendered by the nature of tasks and mission. This market and WISPs are not unlike that to me. I have the great joy of meeting, knowing, and working with some of the most interesting people imaginable. WISPs are people that by sheer force of their will and stubbornness create their own realities. You are not corporate automatons working just some job to earn your 3 hots and a cot. You genuinely care about your communities, and with rare exceptions, you are not just looking for the quick hit off the backs of those your service. I get that, have always gotten that and I get enormous professional and personal satisfaction knowing I am playing and have played a not inconsequential role in literally nurturing this market. I've had the joy of witnessing and participating in the growth of many, many WISPs regardless of their vendor affiliation - complex and passionate people like John Scrivner, aka Scriv, from his first moments in this business to his current role as WISP sage and literal grandfather. This market and my work have earned me the friendships of a fantastic cast of characters that enrich my life on a daily basis. I live here in the vendor world though, and while I appreciate you may have perspectives to which I cannot have, I am also daily witness to what is happening in the other sides of this business, the really big money rolling in. And while I know many of you are happy to remain small, and there is zero wrong with and nothing to disparage about that, some of that money IS going to some of your peers who have who have decided they want to break out of the I'm-just-a-little-guy mindset enough to actually do it. Nothing but you prevents any of you that would like to do the same from doing it. It is all about your choices and your desire. That should be empowering. Your success is NOT in the hands of the FCC or any other entity; it's in your hands. I've been here a long time in this space and I watch with some measure of pain as the WISP community at large has a hell of a time learning from its mistakes. I have my very first posts archived about an FCC I intentionally started on the old isp-wireless list (there was no other) back in April of 2000 and the issues are just the same. The same characteristics that makes WISPs can-do and self-sufficient is the same thing that fosters a fatal flaw - that's an abject refusal by so many to accept authority or otherwise conform to certain norms. WISPs are sort of like guerillas and in the event you can manage to organize long enough to defeat the disciplined forces that threaten you, or at least carve out a solid niche, your nature makes you prone then to again factionalize (like we've seen happen before). I want to do what I can to lift WISPs out of that and to become a disciplined force in your own right, a goal I know WISPA shares (which was why I was the first paying vendor member). I know I've a none-to-small arrogance and ego to even make this sort of post. But the fact is you I care enough and respect you people enough to tell it like it is from my learned view, for better or worse. I know first hand that most of my peers have long since been told by their employers, Stay off the lists! out of their company's perceived self-interest and because they don't have the stomach for it. In my view it is a credit to my company that it allows me this unfiltered dialogue with you. I will not tell you what is comfortable, but untrue, just to schlep another radio. I'm here to build an industry and to drive that industry to the fore of telecom. The part of that industry I've chosen is all WISP all the time. YOU have my full attention. And while I'm no altruist, I damned sure don't do this (engage WISPs at this level of commitment) just in the hopes that one day I can plant an Alvarion flag atop WISP Mountain. I do this so that one day I can look back
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????
I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz. How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless??? ;^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com J. Vogel wrote: Fair enough. I might have been a little on the touchy side myself there. In the context of what I had been reading, particularly a comment about how the use of 5.4 was going to require someone to install another phone line just to handle complaints from the DoD, coupled with the current excitement around the list that some WISPs have *gasp* been using un-certified gear, it appeared to me that your question might have been motivated by suspicion in that regard. Thanks for the clarification. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply aboutbeingsticker conscious or not??
I believe the new Tranzeo SL5-16 is around the $170 price range in quantity 20.They are available directly from Tranzeo or from distributors in the US like ElectroComm, Doubleradius and Streakwave. I have bought from all three places and they have always done good by me. I have about 10 of the little SL5 CPEs deployed at ranges from 1/4 to 8 miles and they are very solid performers. The somewhat larger and more expensive 5a24 radios will work out to 18 miles. 802.11a is good stuff. I have a post on my blog at http://www.thelar.com/ that describes my experience with 802.11a so far. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Don't make too many assumptions about what your price will be by looking at list prices, for example, our CPE available in the AlvarionCOMNET program for $285 (does require a 25 per quarter commitment), lists with a MSRP of $1,095. Not being too familiar with Tranzeo, you'll have to ask them or their users about what can be done with a qty of 5. Matt Larson is a WISPA leader and one of the most respectable WISPs. He loves Tranzeo and can point you in the right direction. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply aboutbeingsticker conscious or not?? Great. I looked into it. From the Tranzeo website, I find the TR5a series for $367, and the lowest cost 5Ghz unit at $287 (16db antenna) which isn't good for the 4-5 mile range. I doubt they will cut prices to $170 for an order of 5. Is there somewhere else I can look, Tranzeo looks like nice gear. On 2/18/07, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That'd be Tranzeo. Not sure the volume that gets you that price, but I know some who pay that for their 802.11a stuff. It has some nice features, to include even 5 MHz channels. Tranzeo is doing lots of things right and they've earned the loyalty of some WISPs I respect hugely, and that's good enough for me. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????
Brian, Umy original point still stands. The parameters of the environment have changed and its time for the military to adapt to forces outside of its control instead of trying to maintain an untenable status quo. I am a little concerned that the military/industrial complex has so much control over existing spectrum. The fact that this stuff has been in use since the 60s is especially disturbing. What good is a highly beneficial technology when it is locked away from the rest of the world? I'm not talking nuclear bombs here - its communication. I wonder what other national secrets are out there now that could be doing the world a lot of good but instead they are collecting dust from disuse. Gotta love the propensity of government and industry to manufacture artificial scarcity to protect their own interests. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Most Radar systems are built with extremely sensitive receivers and extremely high gain antennas that can detect things like a double echo which means it can receive the signal that was generated by itself and then bounced back to the antenna not once but multiple times. In many cases is also designed to sit there in a passive mode to detect other signals and not give out it's own position which gives an enemy an easy target to attack. Some of it is used to direct weapons to it's proper targets, some if it as navigation aids for military aircraft the just like civilian air travel. Do you want to let WISP's be responsible for disabling some of that technology? Please do not get this list started thinking that WISP's and or the manufacturers are much smarter in radio engineering than a government agency who has spent billions of dollars in research and construction of radio systems that are partially responsible for the incredibly cheap radios we have today. Most of what we use on the air today has been in use or manufactured in one form or another by the government since the 60's. You haven't heard of it because for most of those years it was considered part of a national secret and any of us who did know about it are not allowed (including the manufacturers) to say a thing about it. RF Engineering, complex radio systems and digital modulation techniques have been around for much longer that you realize, where do you think many of the geniuses who built this stuff got their experience in the first place? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz. How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless??? ;^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com J. Vogel wrote: Fair enough. I might have been a little on the touchy side myself there. In the context of what I had been reading, particularly a comment about how the use of 5.4 was going to require someone to install another phone line just to handle complaints from the DoD, coupled with the current excitement around the list that some WISPs have *gasp* been using un-certified gear, it appeared to me that your question might have been motivated by suspicion in that regard. Thanks for the clarification. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations
Hm.. My understanding is that 400mw radios are generally not FCC compliant.If that is the case, then there are a lot of telcos that have been selling non-compliant equipment in the form of those DSL modems that they sell to their customers. Just a thought. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com John J. Thomas wrote: The Telcos all over are deploying 400 mW units-anything that says 2WIRE is 400 mW. John -Original Message- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 09:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Precisely why X2 cloaking is so important. It doubles the number of channels and X4 gives 11 of them back to us. X4 gives about 7 mbps with non compressible data and over 12 mbps with compressible data. Better than a standard B model with perfect conditions. The other thing to keep in mind is that all of those channel 6 units attached to ADSL lines are typically unused or lightly used. They connect with an ADSL line and thus cannot even begin to consume the total air time. The Telco here is distributing units with 400 mW radaios whether the client even wants wireless in their home. It does not even phase a cloaked connection so we are OK with it. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There USED to be three non overlapping channels. Now channel 6 overlaps with every third house in many markets :-). Marlon - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap. X4 cloaking has 6 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do not overlap. We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless two active radios are on the same channel. I am not sure about 6 but I know for sure that 4 works fine. Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO leakage. Even with the cards side by side they will not link up. In order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd recommend against that idea Matt. ALL devices leak some energy. And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is amazing. If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy, small small fractions in fact. Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios. FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from. WiFi has basically 2 these days. Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work. Life will change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real customers with real traffic. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box. Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards. Does anything like that exist? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WRAP board CF losing all software!!!!
Hi all, I recently came across a problem that I have been unable to resolve. I have a bunch of WRAP boards with StarOS software on them, and for some reason about half of them have lost their firmware, and the WRAP shows that there is no software. This has happened to boards right out of the packaging, and it has also happened with boards that were programmed ahead of time and working fine on the bench - then lost it all when they are powered up in the field. It is not just isolated to one location either - this problem has duplicated itself in three states, with three different groups of installers. Not many things more frustrating than to go on site and put in a board that has completely lost everything. The only thing in common with all of these WRAP boards is that they are new and all were ordered from the same place (Defacto Wireless). Does anyone have any ideas here? I have about 80 more of these to deploy and I'd really like to figure out what is going on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Any ideas on recovering a TR-CPE200, Revision A?
I have a stack of TR-CPE200 radios with the revision A firmware on them. This revision doesn't respond to the CPE locator tool and I can't seem to ping them. Any ideas on how to get them operational again? Tranzeo is even kind of stuck. If I could get a static ARP entry to ping, I think I would be home free, but I haven't been able to get that to work. Any ideas? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nebraska WISPs - Something to look out for...
For any other Nebraska WISPs LB661 came up in the state legistlature and the gist is that broadband providers will have to pay into the USF fund. LB560 requires all broadband providers to register with the state Public Service Commission (so they know where to send the bill for LB661 to). These are not law yet, but they are racing through the telecommunications committee. Check out http://www.nebraska.gov/ for more details. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links
Hi all, Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves dishes. Here are the results: 42 mile shot 10mhz channel size -58 signal strength 10-12meg throughput 62 mile shot 10mhz channel size -60 signal strength 8-10meg throughput I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle. I thought they would be able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get any more out of them. If only I had sprung for the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links. I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage issues. What is really amazing to me is the signal strength. These are the only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the longest. I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still blows me away. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
I have one of these phones, and as excited as I was about it, it is pretty disappointing. Very ALPHA. I was unable to get it to actually work after several hours of trying to get the software loaded and configured. I am going to put some more time into it, but it sounds like the second version is supposed to be much better. If this one had wifi, I would have put a lot more effort into it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brandon Brownlee wrote: www.Openmoko.com That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the existing apps that should work on it straight outta the box. Have too much time on your hands? http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's iPhone killer as well, but it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have). On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone on ebay... including shipping. And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me. Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into ATT whom does not work out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is wifi On 10/2/07, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC Mogul look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone Tom, It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per month on my phone, so that was #1 priority. The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for that. It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome. It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's rated at 2MP. No current GPS support. Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge. The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work pretty well. It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works) and a very nice, easy to use interface. The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm interested in more feedback. Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs? I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was concerned about its missing features. Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera? You can listen to your music Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life? How is the battery life? And not hearing the phone ring, because of it? Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it? Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty? We know the full screen is clearly a winner. But how is the keypad? I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative palmtop WindowCe style phones. Tom
[WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone
FWIW, my E70 rules. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. Take that, iPhone fanboys! http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone - Thread CLOSED!
I apologize for sending this link. I thought it was funny, but it has quite a bit of crude language and should have been thinking before I forwarded it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Rick Harnish wrote: Thread CLOSED! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone FWIW, my E70 rules. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. Take that, iPhone fanboys! http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 8:43 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OpenMoko Phone
My OpenMoko phone is fairly well built. The back of the case comes off a little to easily for my taste, but other than that, it is pretty solid. I am having some weird issues getting it to work, and I haven't had a lot of time to delve into linux geekery to try and get it operational. It has also probably come out with five or six software revisions since the last time I set it up, so I'm going to have to get after it if I want to actually be able to use it and show it to people at ISPCON. Unfortunately, without wifi in it (mine is one of the early releases) it is way too limited. I was really looking forward to having a SIP client phone that only occasionally went on the GSM network when wifi was not available. Maybe next version. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com --Original Mail-- From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:18:18 -0600 Subject: POSSIBLE SPAMRE: [WISPA] iPhone I'm hoping the consumer version carries WiFi and a camera at least at 2mp. They definitely go out of their way to let you know it's a dev version still. They also state the demand for the dev phones at $300 has run them out of phones, but then they may have only made 2 phones to begin with :) . And just think, you can 'hack' the device all day and not have to worry about a firmware upgrade mysteriously bricking the phone. I'm not an early adopter of tech, though, unless it's just the bee's knees. Cell phones have yet to cause that kind of reaction in me. I mean, I have a Treo 650 that still has default ring tones and no apps. Best intentions. Is it built well, Matt? Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone I have one of these phones, and as excited as I was about it, it is pretty disappointing. Very ALPHA. I was unable to get it to actually work after several hours of trying to get the software loaded and configured. I am going to put some more time into it, but it sounds like the second version is supposed to be much better. If this one had wifi, I would have put a lot more effort into it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brandon Brownlee wrote: www.Openmoko.com That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the existing apps that should work on it straight outta the box. Have too much time on your hands? http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's iPhone killer as well, but it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have). On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone on ebay... including shipping. And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me. Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into ATT whom does not work out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is wifi On 10/2/07, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC Mogul look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone Tom, It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per month on my phone
[WISPA] Service in Washington State
Good morning I am looking for DSL, or wireless servcie anything at the following 2 sites 8409 North Texas Road, Anacortes, WA 98221 Phone 360-293-6323. 5232 Lake Terrell Road. Fermdale. WA 98248 Phone 360-380-1945. Please anything you can do to help would be appreciated Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC
My strong feeling is that the free market approach is by far the best approach to the Network Neutrality/Network Management. If Comcast wants to degrade the service to their customers, then that is an opportunity for the other providers in the market - they are essentially degrading their own service, especially if they are doing it in a way that breaks specific applications. In markets where there is a monopoly or duopoly and both providers engage in purposefully breaking specific applications, leaving the customer with no choices, the market condition is a result of poor regulatory policy - not poor network management. Competition will take care of that problem. The few remaining independent ISPs have this as one of the few potential advantages that they can bring to the table - a truly different type of service, with the concerns of the provider and the customer in balance and appropriate for both parties. The issue that Vuze seems to be taking is that breaking of applications is unacceptable, but good network management is fine, as long as it doesn't discriminate against specific applications or protocols. I do take issue with the characterization of Vuze/BitTorrent as being a parasite on our networks. They are not forcing the customer to use them for content - our customers paid for connectivity to the Internet, and should be able to use that connectivity for whatever they want to, in a way that does not degrade the performance of the network. It is the responsibility of the network operator to deploy the network is a way to deliver appropriate levels of service, establish clear definitions of the different levels of service and communicate the differences to the customers so that they know what they are getting. I personally love Vuze, I use it to get my favorite Showtime shows and also for downloading OS images and software updates. Using it for these purposes doesn't harm or degrade my network and is a very appropriate set of uses for me or any other user on my network. It does help that I have optimized the software to use a limited number of connections, and have also optimized my network to ensure that no customers are able to open an excessive number of connections to use it. This not a violation of Network Neutrality or an example of Intentional Degradation to an application. It is optimization. It is also the responsibility of companies like Vuze to make sure that their software is optimized for good performance as well - it is in their best interest. Bit Caps are not necessarily the answer, as it introduces levels of billing complexity and doesn't always represent the best solution. If there is extra capacity on the network, and the provider's backbone connection is not subject to bit caps or usage-based billing, then bit caps are not needed because the economic cost of extra bits is inconsequential. However, too many have taken this too far, leading to the idea that bits are free, which is total B.S. There is always an underlying foundational cost of infrastructure connectivity, and that cost needs to be taken into consideration. The free bits exist in the netherland of non-peak hours and the interval between a backbone connection that is too large and one that is saturated. Free bits represent a place for innovation, and some providers are doing just that, with open downloads and service level upgrades during off-peak hours. But not all bits are free. In conclusion, I don't think that the Vuze petition is too far off the mark. Someone SHOULD be raising a stink about what Comcast is doing - it goes beyond prudent network management and right into anti-trust type behavior. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Anthony Will wrote: Here is some food for thought, We may want to approach this issue with a free market approach. We may want to emphasize that the free market can and will self regulate this behavior. If Comcast is discouraging their customers from operating this type of software, that creates an opportunity for another operator to move into the area that does not. We do have to keep in the back of our mind that the main issue for us as wireless operators is that P2P solutions create an burden on our systems not so much for bandwidth but on the amount of connections that are created by this type of software. One P2P application that goes wild with 2000+ connctions can bring an AP to its knees thus effecting 50 - 200 other customers on that same AP. We may also want to empathize that his type of distributed content if allowed to continue likely will lead to bit caps or other types of metered solutions for customers. Vuze and other content providers are looking to use our infrastructure to implement their business plans without paying for that distribution, with the minor exception of a one time seeding of that contact to the Internet. This is in my opinion as close to
Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC
George, Comcast's customers are the ones paying for access to the Comcast network. If a Comcast customer wants to use Vuze, he should be able to because he is ALREADY PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO USE THE NETWORK. This idea of content providers being parasites on networks is a total load of horsecrap promoted by the phone and cable companies to keep their networks as closed as possible. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com George Rogato wrote: Another thought is Why wouldn't Vuze have to pay Comcast for using the Comcast network to support it's business plan. If they are relying on Comcasts network to store and send files to it's customer base, why should they be treated for a free ride instead of using a hosting provider like Akamia. Guess that is just as a significant point as any other, the fair compensation for services? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PHP Helpdesk
Freeside with built in RT Ticket system. RT is also available as a standalone application, and works well. We use it to keep track of installs, deinstalls, service calls, maintenance work and a few other things as well. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Platypus w/ wombat (www.boardtown.com) Or cerebus (http://www.cerberusweb.com) Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PHP Helpdesk Does anyone have a recommendation for a PHP helpdesk? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FDX Wireless
StarOS V3 does true FDX with dual cards. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: Other than N-Streme 2, what out there is true FDX and not just HDX with 50/50 balancing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Freeside + QuickBooks
Just use QuickBooks to do your regular bookkeeping, and Freeside to handle the Accounts Receivable from your ISP customers. Everyday, we input all of our payments into Freeside, then add up the deposit and put the total deposit into QuickBooks under Freeside Deposits. This system has worked great for us for the last several years. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: When Googling, I find that Freeside and QuickBooks are competitors in the WISP billing environment. However, I see them more as complimentary than competition. How can I export what Freeside does into QuickBooks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
Hi all, I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection. I am currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure. I own the towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 2.9 miles. The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be able to maintain 100meg speeds. I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for this type of link. The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a $12-15K price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list about this one. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] StarOS and VOIP
I thought I might pass on a piece of information I recently found out about StarOS networks. At the StarOS training session last month, they mentioned that the newer Version3 firmware automatically prioritizes VOIP traffic as long as the correct TOS bit is set. That made it a lot easier to prioritize our VOIP traffic, as all we had to do was upgrade the firmware on our backhauls. This works on the CPE units as well. I recently installed a WAR1 StarOS CPE unit with V3 firmware on it at my house to see how it would work. Last night, I was on the VOIP phone with Mac Dearman for about 45 minutes and it seemed to really be working well. I didn't have any dropouts and the audio quality was excellent - as good as our landline. I was fairly impressed with how well it works. The real shock came when I turned on the computer hooked up to my TV and realized that I had 2meg worth of Bit Torrent connections going on at the same time as our phone conversation! In the past, BT has turned VOIP into mush, but apparently the StarOS guys have figured out how to prioritize that traffic and keep it working very well. Damn impressive guys - keep up the good work! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Check on the Valemount site and look for the X-4000. It is under $400 and has four radios and pigtails in it. Performance is equal to or better than the WAR4s or RB333s. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting, I was hoping to switch a few towers over from War4 Metro's to the RB333's because the War4's are just too expensive. I have a tower with the radio's all on the ground so maybe I'll switch that one over and test it all first. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
At least is wasn't your main tower!That sucks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com David E. Smith wrote: Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
It has to do with CPU load. Since the FDD is running two radios, its doing twice as much work as the one running a single radio. I have observed the FDD links doing 50-55meg in one direction, and my guess is that the most common loaded FDD links will be doing 40-50 in one direction and 10-15 in the other. With more CPU, I'm sure that the speeds will go up considerably. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, A quick question on your examples... on the 10 mile link you are getting 45Mbps with 20Mhz, but on the full-duplex link going the same distance, you are only getting 30Mbps. Why is there a 50% loss when doing full-duplex? Also, are you testing with TCP or UDP? Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers
The real problem is the number of connections. One client opening up 300-400 connections is going to cause all kinds of problems. Being able to limit connections is a pretty important item to be able to handle on a wireless network. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: and I forgot to say what I was initially going to say... You may need better APs. I have 30+ customers on a single tower with more than one client running P2P applications (including BitTorrent) and everything works just fine. That said, my AP is a 4-radio 4-sector AP that is a PC running Mikrotik. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Uh-Oh, they are ready to discipline Internet service providers I see this as a good thing. We don't really care what our users do with the bandwidth they buy from us as long as it's legal. Bandwidth hungry applications are good for our model as the more they need the more they buy. I don't see that as a bad thing for our bottom line! Speak for yourself. (By the way, I am speaking for myself, not for my boss, my employer, WISPA itself for whom I do occasional work, or anyone else. This is always the case, but I feel especially compelled to mention it here.) The day a legislature or court orders me to stop shaping p2p traffic, I'll dust off my resume, because the network will melt shortly thereafter, beyond my ability to repair. The inexpensive last-mile gear many smaller wireless operators use don't respond well to p2p traffic. Towers with fifty customers can be brought to their knees by ONE customer with an encrypted BitTorrent client, or Limewire, or other p2p software. (Every time this subject comes up, there's a bunch of just build out your network to handle the load du punters. As that isn't always feasible, given the limitations of small company budgets and the technology available within said budgets, let's just assume I don't have millions of dollars handy to do so.) My sole concern is keeping my network running as well as possible, given the limits of the budget and technology at my disposal. I don't care what you're downloading, and if I had a choice I wouldn't care about how you're downloading it. I don't even care whether it's for legal use. (And let's not kid ourselves on that point.) Unfortunately, as near as I can tell, the folks making these edicts aren't making the distinction between social and technical reasons for traffic shaping. David Smith WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OSPF on StarOS
Very valuable advice for any of you who are using OSPF on StarOS Make sure that any of your point-to-point wireless links have the statement ip ospf network point-to-point in each of your wireless interface definitions, otherwise you are going to see the StarOS OSPF act completely random and unreliable. Under each wireless backhaul interface, put in the following statement: int wpci0 ip ospf network point-to-point That will fix the problem. This will allow both sides of the connection to reach a state of full-adjacency. I have to give credit to Butch Evans as well, as when I described my solution last night, he brought up the point-to-point declaration as another way of accomplishing the same thing. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA Board Elections
Just a reminder - the WISPA Board Elections will be starting on Monday, June 23rd. Any WISPA member who wants to vote in the election has to be paid in full before the date of the election. If you are behind on your dues, please get them caught up. I have just sent out invoices for everyone who is late. If you got an invoice, please get it paid in full before the election next Monday. Thanks! Matt Larsen Vistabeam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] water in feed horn
Check the feedhorn for cracks. We have had a few PacWireless units (dishes and grids) that were damaged by hail or dropping ice and developed hairline cracks that caused them to stop working in wet weather. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Anyone ever have any water get into a pacwireless 5ghz grid feedhorn? Had a new site yesterday go through its first heavy rain and signal dropped to -90. Went through everything, replaced radio, pigtail, coax, and nothing helped. Sun came out and signal came back to -69. Will Pacwireless replace this feedhorn for warranty? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server
You can build a good squid box with lots of memory and fast hard drives and get good results. The squid setup is also nearly infinitely tunable, as opposed to the ones in Mikrotik and StarOS which have a pretty vanilla configuration. Being able to tune the cache parameters helps a lot, along with putting the cache directories on a separate hard drive and/or multiple ethernet cards to maximize the traffic flow. I have also used caching servers during heavy bandwidth demand or outage times to offload some of my browsing traffic to cable or dsl connections at the edges of the network. From a deployment perspective, I have gotten the best results by letting any questionable customers bypass the caches. 95% of my customers are on 192.168.0.0/16 addresses, so we had a rule that directed the /16 network to the cache. Customers with public IP addresses do not go through the cache. That way, someone with a problem going through the cache would have to upgrade to a static IP so that they could bypass it.Relatively simple, and effective. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: The people that we had the most problems with were web designers who's sites were cached and they couldn't easily see their changes. We always told then to add no cache to their sites. Thats an easy one to fix. Tell them to press [CTRL] F5. Thats all it takes on virtually any standards compliant cache. The real pain is when shopping carts or the like do not work. We have had far better success having Mikrotik redirect/DST-NAT too Squid then using the Mikrotik cache. Far fewer websites with issues. Running the cache on Mikrotik really shot the CPU load up on the Mikrotik as well. Strange the CPU load on the box running Squid is barely anything. In the process of upgrading our network and bandwidth. Gonna try the Mikrotik cache again to see if its improved any. Its so much simpler doing it with an inline Mikrotik box. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents
Hi Travis, I'm with you - the Nanostations are a pretty amazing product. I've been deploying Nanostations on 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz with StarOS access points and the performance/interference resistance is pretty amazing at ANY price point. I could say the same thing for the newer Tranzeo CPE units as well, but they can't match up with the Ubiquity price point just yet. It is neat to see a product with many of the Canopy advantages (rich features, small footprint, inexpensive to produce, good interference resistance) that is compatible with the 802.11a/b/g standards and thus able to take advantage of the very innovative Mikrotik and StarOS platforms. I'm curious to see if someone comes up with a good reflector for the Nanostation radios. That would enable the use of the adaptive antenna mode, and since StarOS has the ability to switch connectors on the fly - and potentially polarity if hooked up to a dual-pol antenna - you would end up with a standards based product that would have nearly every feature that the Trangos had that made them special (noise threshold at the AP, software switchable polarity, site survey, etc). No polling, but that is one of the most overrated features anyway. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I would agree... I think there is an opportunity as well. There are some new products in the market recently (Ubiquiti Nanostation) that could shake things up a little. Getting an FCC product with PoE and a Ubiquiti quality radio for $79 is pretty amazing (I will be testing some this coming week). It really makes you wonder how much money some of these companies can really have into a radio system (Trango, Canopy, etc.) when Ubiquiti can sell a brand new product for $79 MSRP. Granted there are not a lot of bells and whistles, but honestly most of the WISP's out there don't need that. If you can buy a radio for $79, you can put whatever you need behind it (Cisco, Mikrotik, etc.) and still be less than $200 for a nice CPE. I think Trango's first mistake was the mesh game they played for a year. Then when they decide to get back into the game, they promise a product that seems too good to be true... and now it turns out, it was. So, they are now 2+ years behind everyone else in the RD world, and they are losing customers left and right. The licensed market may help get them by for a while, but I don't think that is enough business to sustain the company forever. Travis Charles Wu wrote: Travis, I agree with you 100%...I still think there's a huge opportunity in the market right now that's being missed for a solid 2nd player (not Motorola Canopy) in the last-mile access space However, neither you nor I run Trango If you step back and look at the situation, this discussion is pretty interesting, coming from 2 people who really know Trango well-- we were their largest distributor back before they got rid of the channel, and you probably operate one of the largest Trango networks now That said, you've started building out your network with different access solutions, and we're doing other stuff It looks like we've both moved on... -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Travis, I'm with you - the Nanostations are a pretty amazing product. I've been deploying Nanostations on 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz with StarOS access points and the performance/interference resistance is pretty amazing at ANY price point. I could say the same thing for the newer Tranzeo CPE units as well, but they can't match up with the Ubiquity price point just yet. It is neat to see a product with many of the Canopy advantages (rich features, small footprint, inexpensive to produce, good interference resistance) that is compatible with the 802.11a/b/g standards and thus able to take advantage of the very innovative Mikrotik and StarOS platforms. I'm curious to see if someone comes up with a good reflector for the Nanostation radios. That would enable the use of the adaptive antenna mode, and since StarOS has the ability to switch connectors on the fly - and potentially polarity if hooked up to a dual-pol antenna - you would end up with a standards based product that would have nearly every feature that the Trangos had that made them special (noise threshold at the AP, software switchable polarity, site survey, etc). No polling, but that is one of the most overrated features anyway. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I would agree... I think there is an opportunity as well. There are some new products in the market recently (Ubiquiti Nanostation) that could shake things up a little. Getting an FCC product with PoE and a Ubiquiti quality radio for $79 is pretty amazing (I will be testing some this coming week). It really makes you wonder how much money some of these companies can really have into a radio system (Trango, Canopy, etc.) when Ubiquiti can sell a brand new product for $79 MSRP. Granted there are not a lot of bells and whistles, but honestly most of the WISP's out there don't need that. If you can buy a radio for $79, you can put whatever you need behind it (Cisco, Mikrotik, etc.) and still be less than $200 for a nice CPE. I think Trango's first mistake was the mesh game they played for a year. Then when they decide to get back into the game, they promise a product that seems too good to be true... and now it turns out, it was. So, they are now 2+ years behind everyone else in the RD world, and they are losing customers left and right. The licensed market may help get them by for a while, but I don't think that is enough business to sustain the company forever. Travis Charles Wu wrote: Travis, I agree with you 100%...I still think there's a huge opportunity in the market right now that's being missed for a solid 2nd player (not Motorola Canopy) in the last-mile access space However, neither you nor I run Trango If you step back and look at the situation, this discussion is pretty interesting, coming from 2 people who really know Trango well-- we were their largest distributor back before they got rid of the channel, and you probably operate one of the largest Trango networks now That said, you've started building out your network with different access solutions
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Travis, I've got 802.11a APs with 90-100 subs on them without polling and customers are very happy. I am one of them - as I have a 4meg connection at my house that does just about anything my Trango gear would do when I was using it. Bandwidth control addresses nearly all of the issues that polling does in the implementations I have put together. As far as the MT community being 10x the size of the StarOS Community - it's not how big it is, it is what you do with it. :^) I've had plenty of experience with both StarOS and MT, and MT just doesn't have certain features that StarOS does. StarOS has kickass Atheros drivers and a superior way of automating the provisioning and deployment. MT does have a lot of other cool features, but I don't use them so they don't mean a lot to me. FWIW, the WAR-1 version of StarOS is stripped down to the point where it fits into 4meg of memory. Probably wouldn't be hard to port it to the Nanos. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, Polling is a requirement for a system that will scale to larger number of clients. I have Trango AP's that will only do 5Mbps total bandwidth, yet we have loaded them up to their max clients (128) and have no issues. Latency is less than 5ms to any client at any time, and the bandwidth is smooth and consistent. And although I have great respect for StarOS, the Mikrotik community is at least 10x bigger than StarOS... it would make more sense for Ubiquiti to load Mikrotik on the Nano's... ;) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
I see where you are getting at, but it isn't really relevant, at least the way I have my network setup. None of my customers have an upload that gets to even 40% (I don't do symmetrical upload, so the highest upload we offer is 2meg) and the access points handle it pretty easily at that rate. If you are offering a symmetrical service, then I will concede that polling is an important consideration. It is pretty easy to work around it if you are not offering symmetrical service, however. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, Having 90-100 subs on an AP that supports roughly 20Mbps of bandwidth is different than an AP that supports 5Mbps with 128 subs. There is a reason Trango, Canopy, Alvarion, and many others do a polling system... it allows better, more effecient use of the available bandwidth... especially for providers like me that sell a symmetrical service (1meg x 1meg, 2meg x 2meg, etc.). So the upload is just as important as the download. Here's a test for you... take an AP without polling and start an upload on a client that is 80% of the capacity of the AP and then try and surf with another connected client and see how it feels... if it's even possible. With the Trango AP's, we are able to use 95% of the rated bandwidth on each AP before we see any issues (jitter, latency, etc.). That just is not possible with a non-polling system (in upload or download scenarios). Travis Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Travis, I've got 802.11a APs with 90-100 subs on them without polling and customers are very happy. I am one of them - as I have a 4meg connection at my house that does just about anything my Trango gear would do when I was using it. Bandwidth control addresses nearly all of the issues that polling does in the implementations I have put together. As far as the MT community being 10x the size of the StarOS Community - it's not how big it is, it is what you do with it. :^) I've had plenty of experience with both StarOS and MT, and MT just doesn't have certain features that StarOS does. StarOS has kickass Atheros drivers and a superior way of automating the provisioning and deployment. MT does have a lot of other cool features, but I don't use them so they don't mean a lot to me. FWIW, the WAR-1 version of StarOS is stripped down to the point where it fits into 4meg of memory. Probably wouldn't be hard to port it to the Nanos. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, Polling is a requirement for a system that will scale to larger number of clients. I have Trango AP's that will only do 5Mbps total bandwidth, yet we have loaded them up to their max clients (128) and have no issues. Latency is less than 5ms to any client at any time, and the bandwidth is smooth and consistent. And although I have great respect for StarOS, the Mikrotik community is at least 10x bigger than StarOS... it would make more sense for Ubiquiti to load Mikrotik on the Nano's... ;) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Never really had a major problem with this. Just keep P2P apps limited at the core router, no intercell relay and connection limits per customer. It would be nice if there was a polling implementation that could be easily implemented with standards-based equipment instead of proprietary gear. I'd certainly look at it, but just don't have a need for it now. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Ferre wrote: It's not about the upload speed, it's about the packets per second. Get just one customer with computer infected with some decent virus and it will generate 5000 packets per seconds, which may account to only 256kbps in raw traffic terms. But with regular Access Point this will bring your AP to the knees or even worse and there is NOTHING you can do about it. You could try to limit packet per second that customer but it will only happen after the traffic hits Access Point and will not stop the viri operation. Or get some customer with few uncapped p2p apps and you will see pretty much the same. Sorry, polling is the only way to go. Every mature network type uses some type of polling scheme (from cellular 'time slots' through WiMAX to all MMDS systems) and it's there for a reason. And it's one really good reason - performance. Matt I see where you are getting at, but it isn't really relevant, at least the way I have my network setup. None of my customers have an upload that gets to even 40% (I don't do symmetrical upload, so the highest upload we offer is 2meg) and the access points handle it pretty easily at that rate. If you are offering a symmetrical service, then I will concede that polling is an important consideration. It is pretty easy to work around it if you are not offering symmetrical service, however. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations - question
Here are a few reasons to buy the Tranzeo 1) 3 year warranty 2) Available stock - tried to buy a lot of Nanostations lately?Good luck getting them consistently. 3) Tranzeo design has been through a few winters and hot summers. There are already some questions about the durability of the Nanos, especially in environments with lots of moisture or sea 4) Proven, reliable firmware. 5) Tranzeo support Might be some others, but that is off the top of my head. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Charles Wu wrote: Hi Blair, A TR-CPQ-x has the following specifications CPQ-N: $165 CPZ-19: $175 (integrated 19 dBi antenna) +23 dBm Output Power Max -85 dBm @ 11 Mbps -72 dBm @ 54 Mbps Features: Client NAT with QoS (probably Wmm) The Ubiquiti NS2 has the following specifications NS2: $79.95 (integrated 10 dBi antenna with connector) +26 dBm Output Power Max -92 dBm @ 11 Mbps -74 dBm @ 54 Mbps Features: From a manual review perspective, AirOS seems to do miles more than what a Trango CPQ can do So...there's not way you're going to spend $100 on a 19 dBi patch and a pigtail...so, assuming availability wasn't an issue or you weren't sitting on stock...why would you even buy a Tranzeo? -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers
We have been having alot of problems sending email through Everyone.Net's servers. Lots of server rejections, delivery resource unavailable type messages. Anyone going through the same problems? Here's a message sent by our tech to their tech support this morning. This message outlines our problems with them. - Original Message - From: Justin Mann To: Everyone.net Technical Support ; Unwired West Cc: Mark Nash Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Continued issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers Hello, We are getting more Delivery Resource Unavailable errors from the Everyone.net SMTP servers today. This is on both shared-svc1 and shared-svc2. We would like help on why this is happening, and why we have issues sending email intermittently. I know for a fact this is an issue with the everyone.net servers; the error message is being returned from the servers themselves, after an SMTP session has been established. See the attached image; that is the error message coming from Everyone.net's servers. We didn't have many issues from this in April, but it was a nightmare earlier in the year. When email does not work, it makes it very difficult to do business. I am sure you understand our frustrations. So far, all suggestions given to us from Everyone.net have not worked. We have exhausted all potential options on our ends for reasons that we could be causing the errors. We have used different workstations, different operating systems, different mail clients, different ISPs, different email domains. We have even used different SMTP servers per your suggestion. When we use third-party SMTP servers we do not have this problem, ever. However, that is not a long-term solution. Please advise. Also, please look at the attached image. This is the type of error message we get, frequently, with both shared-svc1 and now shared-svc2. attachment: everyoneerror.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers
Yes, address books. They are a pain. We migrated about 900 accounts TO the Everyone.Net servers last year. From 2 very different mail servers, about 40 domains. Address books were a pain in the rear. Then there was the 2 users that were actually using the Calendar feature of one of the servers. We told them sorry, it's gone. ;) - Original Message - From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 02:36:52PM -0700, Mark Nash wrote: I hope to have a resolution soon, or we will be switching 1000+ users to another provider. Anyone who's done that knows the undertaking it will be, but we will do it nevertheless. Moving the mailboxes is not so bad. Getting the webmail address books, that's the fun part. We just moved 400 accounts, from a recently aquired domain, off everyone.net to our servers. I have an shell script which uses imapsync which does the e-mail part quite nicely, imap server to imap server. We use Cyrus-IMAPd, but it shouldn't matter much which imap server you run. The address books will take some manual effort. But, you can print each address book from everyone.net's fancy webmail view, copy and paste it into a text file and run a script to convert it into whatever format you need. We shoved it into the squirrelmail address book database. It just takes a lot of hours to log in and do the copy and paste. If you decide you need to do it and want the scripts, let me know. I'll see if I can abstract out the sensitive information. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
My son and I ate at a pizza place a few months ago that still had the Galaga game from when I was in high school. He wanted to play, so I let him run the shooter while I ran the joystick. About 45 minutes later, we had the high score, and the next day I get a text message from one of my high school friends asking if I beat his high score on the Galaga machine at Godfather's Pizza, cuz he saw the same initials that I used back in the day. It's a nerd's world, baby! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I have to share this link with all the nerds out there: http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html I have fond memories of my Nintendo and the Dark Side of the Moon 8-Track that seemed to be on continuous play in my bedroom. Someone put them together and it makes me feel weirdly nostalgic. On 5/21/2010 9:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
I saw Gorf the other day. And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, 18. I'd keep saying That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their old man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. Says alot about me, hehehe... - Original Message - From: Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business here. It was a great day for me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man ... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. You are my hero! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Had a 7-11 clerk job while waiting for Marine Corps boot camp after high school. They had ExciteBike and I swear I spent all my income on: 1. gas to get to work 2. Big Gulps 3. ExciteBike Did a stint on Joust Dragons Lair as well. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for a hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. Bad Move, Space Cadet! Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says come on, you know it All your base belong to us!! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I saw Gorf the other day. And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, 18. I'd keep saying That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their old man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. Says alot about me, hehehe... - Original Message - From: Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business here. It was a great day for me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man ... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. You are my hero! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
You have been promoted to Space Captain. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man AYBABTU Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for a hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. Bad Move, Space Cadet! Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says come on, you know it All your base belong to us!! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I saw Gorf the other day. And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, 18. I'd keep saying That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their old man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. Says alot about me, hehehe... - Original Message - From: Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business here. It was a great day for me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man ... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. You are my hero! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
God the first time I saw Robotron I about had a heart attack. I respected anyone who could play that with any success. Too much stimuli! Frogger was more my speed... - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Captain: For great justice. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man You have been promoted to Space Captain. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man AYBABTU Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I gots da Gorf in the garage. That one is my favorite. Picked it up for a hundred bucks from a Laundromat in Grove City Ohio. Bad Move, Space Cadet! Got a Zero Wing as well only because it says come on, you know it All your base belong to us!! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I saw Gorf the other day. And I just purchased ExciteBike for the Wii at home. 3 months ago I purchased the original Donkey Kong for the Wii, and NONE of my kids could beat it. My kids are 24, 21, 18. I'd keep saying That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... That just cost you a quarter... Now they have an idea of what every day after school was like for their old man... Frogger, DigDug, Centipede, Galaga, and ANY donut shop that had a good pinball game kept me for hours sometimes. I'd always sell my school lunch to my friends and go to Sega Center after school for another fix. Says alot about me, hehehe... - Original Message - From: Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man This is one of my favorite past times. A Mr. Gattis went out of business here. It was a great day for me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man ... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. You are my hero! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
a...sigh...now building for retirement helping kids through college life, have no time or energy for that sort of nonsense. Hopefully I'll keep the fond memories though for a long, long time... Especially my friends bachelor party where the 8 of us drank pitchers of beer (alphabetical, by name...they had A-Z beer names) and every 5 pitchers we would go head-to-head on pole-position hehehe... Got a little difficult after awhile. I can still taste the morning after...beer peanuts...uck... - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Can't tell you how many times I spilled off of my dirt bike before the age of 10... Reaching for the kill switch to turn the motor off to realize that the barbed wire has ahold of you...Now motorcycles have 4 wheels...I guess they're fun, too. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Go down to the beaches now or the parks or the local swimming pools. Not many there. I've tried to get my brats to do active things. Right! One of the boys sprained his shoulder 2 days ago at school. Gym class, was throwing footballs. I honestly think it's the first time he ever strained a muscle other than his thumbs or mouse clicking index finger. So he's all whining about it. I told him it's about time he got a real injury! Shesh! Kids. At his age, 13, I already had dog bites, one snake bite, a broken wrist, scars, etc. Electronics suck! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
Mark, I would like to thank you for your interesting and obivously well thought out post. I am firmly of the camp that USF should be completely discontinued, and my efforts going forward will be to encourage its disbandment. The major goals of the original USF program have been completed for some time now, and the program is no longer needed. USF is providing unneeded subsidization of wireless cellular carriers, some very large corporations (CenturyLink) and many rural ILECs that take USF money and use it to warehouse spectrum and compete with WISPs. The politically correct thing to do would be to find allies for our other positions and offer to support USF reform that will be inclusive of WISPs. I have had enough experience with the paperwork, legal wrangling and political skullduggery at the state and federal levels involved in getting USF to recognize that it is almost totally incompatible with WISPs. USF is HURTING the deployment of broadband in the US by supporting the entities that have either failed to deliver broadband to many of their rural service areas (CenturyLink), have delivered broadband but are now using the funds to subsidize other activities such as spectrum warehousing (many small ILECs) or are using it to fund the buildout of cellular networks (cellphone companies) that provide awful coverage in rural areas. From a philosophical and practical standpoint, USF should be abolished. The funds left in their coffers can be used to establish a smaller, tightly focused program for schools and libraries - entities that are legitimately benefitting from USF. USF has strong support from telcos and they are great at focusing on the tiny parts of the program that are beneficial and the threat that some telcos will go under without USF support - while the vast majority of the money that comes out of USF goes to the bottom line of profitable companies with ties to the original monopoly players. It is time for a quick lesson about the economic concept of Fast Failure. One of the very best features of capitalism and the entrepeneurial environment of the United States is that a business can and should fail if it turns out to not be economically feasible. When that business fails, its resources are redistributed and another business can step in. Subsidizing a business that doesn't need subsidization, or creating a monopolistic situation through subsidization or regulation leads to inefficiencies in the system. USF is being used to support businesses that don't need the support and it creates an anti-competitive environment. I would really like to see USF disappear. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and work with a system that is hopelessly flawed and unrepairable. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/27/2010 3:55 AM, MDK wrote: As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this. First, to my self-motivated enemies who can't stand anything I say Nuts!, I'm right and I know it. Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than just shallow mockery, here's serious conversation on serious topics, and the excuse to dismiss me for those who can't bring themselves to be serious. Some comments on the strategy for opposing FCC intervention. As is highlighted below - and has been discussed at considerable length in other venues... The NBP, the regulation of internet services, and net neutrality all hinge upon a couple of rather firm anchors. As we know, the FCC lost in the courts when it attempted to simply re-write the intent of current law.The first anchor for implementation of anything is to surmount the law as it sits right now.Either by Congressional action, or by administratively bypassing it. The current administration has demonstrated in several other areas they are willing to coordinate completely bypassing the legislative process, and regulate via administrative rule. IE, agencies simply write new rules that force the intent of the administration, even if it conflicts with current law, or has no basis in law. There's considerable example and evidence of this, by the EPA and other agencies. It would be my estimate that this is the approach the FCC will try - and it is coordinated directly, but unofficially, from the White House. This approach has mixed support and resistance in Congress. Some of the Democrats would prefer this, rather than Congress taking up a controversial topic. However, it is legally iffy. And, there's a majority in Congress which is mostly Republicans and some Democrats who actually oppose the FCC attempting to simply rule by fiat. It's a turf thing, actually. Few in Congress are strongly supportive of enterprise, and the resistance is mostly about Congress objecting to the FCC usurping their role. Thus, it would seem to be a poor strategy to rely on Congressional
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
Tom, Thank you for asking your questions - I have some awesome answers for you. 1) Alaska. Alaska does indeed have an infrastructure problem. Alaska also receives an enormous amount of federal support already along with substantial revenues from their natural resources, mainly oil and gas. These Americans would not be left out in the cold - communication wise - if they took some of their massive piles of money and built out their infrastructure. Right now, the Alaska Permanent Fund - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund - has 28 Billion dollars in it, and is primarily used to pay an annual dividend to Alaska residents. I'm pretty sure that money would go to better use if Alaska used that to pay for their communications infrastructure needs instead of expecting the residents of the lower-48 to pay for it. 2) Rural Telco Failure. I have a really hard time believing that a rural telco could fail, but I guess it could happen. In that scenario, I would suggest that the government set up some kind of a trustee operation that maintained the operation of the telco until a buyer could be found. I live in a very rural area, and the majority of the rural ILECs here are swimming in money from USF, and have very successful unregulated subsidiaries that operate outside of the normal regulatory environment. With all of the recent advances in voice switching and remote broadband deployment, the residents of a community with a failling telco would be better off in the long run if the telco was allowed to fail and someone else was able to come in and rebuild with more modern equipment. This is a little tricky, but could be addressed in a more efficient manner than what we are seeing now. 3) Mobile Phone Coverage. There is a really simple answer to this one. There are buildout requirements in cellular licenses that the federal government grants to mobile carriers. They have been effectively lobbbying to get USF money to build out and meet those requirements. Even so, rural cellular coverage is awful. USF has been the carrot to incentivize rural wireless buildouts - now it is time to try the stick. Rural carriers that don't build out, or only build out the areas with with Interstates and highways (for roaming traffic) without building out to the sparsely populated rural locations lose their licenses. This will lower the value of the licenses in rural areas to the point where smaller competitors could feasibly buy licenses and compete. It would also substantially reduce the amount of spectrum warehousing that goes on in rural areas. No need to throw money at this problem, just enforce the existing laws and modify the requirements so that there is less redlining of the more profitable portions of their license area. I think that the idea of pitting the New Jersey delegation against the Alaska delegation is fantastic. Why should people in NJ be paying for phone services in Alaska? I would like to close with an illustration of what goes on with USF. USF is attached to every access line, and looks pretty innocuous on a single line phone bill. However, when I was running a dialup ISP and we had several hundred lines coming into our system, that USF cost was in the $3000/$4000 range every month. Especially frustrating was that one of my main competitors was the unregulated subsidiary of a nearby rural ILEC that was receiving a ton of USF money, had access to low interest capital from USDA and was receiving reciprocal compensation for terminating phone calls to their ISP system. In my mind, that $4000/month was going right to them to compete with me.Their subsidiary did not receive the money directly, but it paid the salaries of their staff and generated traffic into their system to generate more money. It also allowed them to either buy or bid up the price on 700mhz spectrum for a big chunk of the state of Nebraska - and they are only deploying service in part of it. Also paid the salaries of the people on their staff that do nothing but fill out government forms and apply for grants from federal and state sources, and that money was used to compete with multiple private operators. I had to file about 40 or so broadband stimulus protests against one of the wireless carriers in our area that receives USF money because they wanted to get MORE government money to upgrade their network. That is what USF money goes to. Kill. It. Now. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/28/2010 10:36 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, Although I agree with most of what you say, specifically there are huge risks that USF will just go straight to the Cellular carriers to build out more mobile phone towers to deliver broadband. In order to win a battle to dispand USF, we have to effectively combat other's objections to that. What would you propose we respond to the following common objections 1) Alaska
Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring
Nagios / The Dude... - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring I do this for my network and my competitors. :) Nice to compare apples to rotten apples. ryan On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Nick Huanca n...@greataukwireless.com wrote: Hi all, I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas on Availability Monitoring of core devices and APs. Is anyone out there performing availability reports using Nagios or anything similar? For example, if something is down for 1 hour, depending on it's placement in the network, it would bring the availability of that section of the network down to around 99.990% for the year (99.990% = 52.6 minutes per year). The issue is that Nagios dilutes the results of overall network availability by including all the 100% figures that were not included in the outage. Is anyone organizing their reports in a different fashion that more accurately portray availability of a network? I understand this is quite a loaded question not knowing the topology or any of the configurations of our Nagios implementation. Thanks in advance! -- Nick Huanca --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
