you obviously didn't read all of our posts.
Nor did you read Juan's interview. I would suggest you go to the submerge
site and find the interview he did with the california paper.
This should clear some things up about the non-existence race in the music
business and rumors
Five
what I SHOULD do is unsub and quit wasting the time I could
be spending making tracks for the people on the list that
actually love the music and not the shitstorm surrounding
it.
race issues will appear anywhere you let them and sometimes
despite your wishes. i've yet to encounter race
hmmm. hawtin or cox. internationally, i really think cox might have a
slightly higher profile, although i could be wrong.
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Berislav wrote:
trance: oakenfold, sasha digweed (white)
techno: carl cox? (black)
jungle: goldie (black)
come on, man ,techno carl cox
if
the DEMF did an amazing job representing everything in electronic music.
and carl got knocked down by the playa haters network.
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The point I was trying to make is that not wether Jaun or Oakenfold being one
dj better than the other, it's the fact that
is everyone here familiar with thedjlist.com?
its a website where anyone can go and vote for their favorite dj, any dj.
cox is # 8
hawtin is #36
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: [313] Regarding
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JOHN DIGWEED 4036
7 BAD BOY BILL 2787
8 CARL COX 2767
9 MAURO PICOTTO 2735
10 IRENE
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is everyone here
my intention was never to slap juan.
my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of juan
adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt to up their
income.
although, in a moment of blatent self appraisal, i suppose i have taken a
few shots at juan in the
Dreams, and Taxicab.
I'm probably wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
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Ok sorry but I'm kinda going backward in reading my mail
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Uh No the DEMF was not a Detroit clique thing and even if it was it is
called
the DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL.
you must be a person living outside of the us or in the us in a white skin
and ignorant
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Ok sorry but I'm kinda going backward in reading my mail today -
After reading reading all the opinions on this very real very serious
problem several questions and other points come up in my head -
Let me begin with this question - why has hip-hop
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Uh No the DEMF was not a Detroit clique thing and even if it was it is
called
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is everyone here familiar with thedjlist.com?
its a website where anyone can go and vote for their favorite dj, any dj
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:19:06 -0500
ever heard of, thedjlist can suck it?
paul van oakenfag and sasha van digaho before hawtin? BAD BOY BILLLIEE
in the mix.. live.. understand?
PLUHHHLLLEEEAASSSEEE.
gag me with a fucking 20inch penis.
1
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what happened to courtesy and politeness.
the debate we were having was simply which techno artist has the highest
profile.
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ever heard
Blvd.(relative i know) or more
importantly, steer them toward musicians who LET THE MUSIC SPEAK FOR ITSELF?
God forbid...
neener neener neener
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-- and that is just where the
problem lies.
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i'm quite certain this poll
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:19:06 -0500
ever heard of, thedjlist can suck it?
paul van oakenfag and sasha van digaho before hawtin? BAD BOY
BILLLIEE
in the mix.. live.. understand?
PLUHHHLLLEEEAASSSEEE.
gag me with a fucking 20inch penis.
1 TIESTO
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:17:39 -0500 (EST)
my intention was never to slap juan.
my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of juan
adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt
why don't you try reading Juan's piece first
and if you really do feel that way, leave.
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I don't have a problem with Juan but you don't know what you are talking
about because you did not read the article.
Do some research first before you start ranting.
You just make yourself look ignorant when you don't.
Five
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:39:21 -0500 (EST)
i'm quite certain this poll is simply open to anyone who wishes to vote.
obviously there are flaws, but what otehr gauge could you possibly use to
judge what djs have
, the musicians, the history-altering,
no matter how 'dusty', in a vague attempt to up yours?
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:17:39
your eyes are open, but yet you sleep.
once again, for the last time, take it up with atkins if
you have a problem. if you dont have a problem with him,
you're giving him good reason to have one with you. and
what do you care anyways if someone is racist. at least
he wont slag you on a
*yawn*
next.
I don't have a problem with Juan but you don't know what
you are talking
about because you did not read the article.
Do some research first before you start ranting.
You just make yourself look ignorant when you don't.
Five
#2- almost every single detroit artist of note has played motor, so i
don't want to hear about it.
i've played motor. it was GREAT! i think the BEST time in the motor backroom
was when hannah and bill van loo threw down on my birthday, and my second
favorite time? well that was when Gilles
hahaha!
thanks rob
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Rob Theakston wrote:
#2- almost every single detroit artist of note has played motor, so i
don't want to hear about it.
i've played motor. it was GREAT! i think the BEST time in the motor backroom
was when hannah and bill van loo threw down on my
I cant believe what bullshit this list is. dont you fools
know that the music knows no color?
Theo Parrish:
every kind of music played by a black musician includes a black message
for months on end on the [313] mailing list. that is just dumb,
not to mention COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC
you
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number one-
the magazine you are refering to is mixer. i have not ever written for
them.
#2- almost every single detroit artist of note has played motor, so
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1. i said Mixer Incs. referring to whatever fill-in-the-blank trash music
pub you choose.
2. I'm clearly stating who you work for and how you
every kind of music played by a black musician includes a black message
my favorite is we are going to create something they can't steal because they
can't play it monk during the evolution of bop
This list doesn´t even come to the point to reflect it in the
way it should be because
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1. i said Mixer Incs. referring to whatever fill-in-the-blank trash music
pub you choose.
2. I'm clearly stating who you work for and how you might
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number one-
the magazine you are refering to is mixer. i have not ever written for
them.
#2- almost every
: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business
jesus h christ. you have no idea who i am.
#1 i have never siad anythign in the motor mic about detroit. i don't get
on the motor mic.
#2 i don't particularly care what you think about the music magazines i
write for.
#3 i
I doubt that Juan would be making racist sounding
comments. why would you talk shit about the man when you
can EASILY contact him and hash things out with him? dont
you think he (or you if you were in his position) would
prefer that?
in my humble opinion, if i was in his position,
I guess I must be speaking another language.
I said I do not have a problem with Atkins and I also suggested you read the
article.
no one called Atkins a racist as if any black person could ever be.
Five
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clap clap clap: there ya go! i know we've been through this and
the opinions of it is varied but that new de9 is slammin', even now.
g.
Berislav wrote:
trance: oakenfold, sasha digweed (white)
techno: carl cox? (black)
jungle: goldie (black)
come on, man ,techno carl cox
if
cox is definitely more known in a 'mainstream' type of way as opposed to
richie. I certainly didn't see richie in a commercial in europe where
he's got an apron on and mixing batter in a bowl in a kitchen, promoting
some mix cd or club night.
g.
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hmmm. hawtin or
I guess I must be speaking another language.
you must be, because the below statement was either translated incorrectly
of the dumbest thing anyone has said on this list (in my humble opinion of
course).
no one called Atkins a racist as if any black person could ever be.
its kinda
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Subject: Re: [313] Regarding
Business
03/06/02 04:04 PM
REGARDING BUSINESS :
To Laura,
10 years ago the world promoter
radio, press will contacting you
for detroit artist
10 years ago all european
majors or big independant
label will contact you also
for your detroit artist
now, 95 % of european promoter
does not want to book detroit
dj
Pouvrenoir:
You have your opinion. But there is plenty in what you say that should
be challenged. Oakenfold may speak to more people with his music,
but then by that criteria we all ought to drop all of this and just
talk about N Sync, Brittney and U2, because they talk to the most people
of
am 07.03.2002 0:02 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
REGARDING BUSINESS :
the truth I know is:
many clubs don´t book the good european artists
and labels either - just a few
WHAT ABOUT THE LOVE PARADE
1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN ONE AFTERNOON
THIS IS THE BIGGEST EVENT IN
yeah, i think a lot of people are forgetting that there are plenty of
newer artist who do better with each release.
just because juan or any of the old guard are having problems doesn't mean
that al is lost.
you shouldn't judge the strength of the scene by the career of the guys
who did it
no no no
correction:
this was not written for the use against any one
of the originators and artists from Detroit as Mr Atkins,
I was not saying that, no way, -
Juan Atkins is the father of this music.
He created this. - His Music is absolutely oustanding
His label is one of the best labels
easy there...
I think i'm still refering back to the original statements that started
this entire thread of discussion last week.
your comments simply prompted some new ideas of my own.
i personally respect juan as well. at least, i respect the stuff he did.
and the vast majority of that stuff
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I mean we read this article where Juan was bitching that he took like 2,000 a
show and Oakenfold took 1 million for the tour, and how
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Business (fwd
for Urb ? good night
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I mean we read this article where Juan was bitching that he took like 2,000 a
show and Oakenfold took 1
Mr. pouvrenoir better check his stats ... and his attitude.
To review:
I mean we read this article where Juan was bitching that he
took like 2,000 a show and Oakenfold took 1 million for the
tour, and how that he's white=rascism=trance whatever.
Obviously Juan has to get a new booking agent or
as a journalist for Urb ? good night
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I mean we read this article where Juan was bitching that he took like 2,000
a
show
Also:
Body Oil (as Infinit) - 1999
Mind and Body (as Model 500) - 1999
Never Tempt Me (as Infitini) - 1999
I could go on and on... Just don't have the time to list all of the aliases
and remixes he's done in the past 5 years alone.
I haven't seen Juan spin since 420 in Cleveland which must
against is here self-depicted.
A journalist...no less. I agree.
poivrenoir...au revoir
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:11:02 +0200
listen, would like to go easy
but I don´t know
More appropriately a study of the RECURRING and cyclical pattern of
de-evolution and propaganda with regard to Black American artists. The past
is over and can never be repeatedor can it..??
What has been discussed has been due to the fact THAT THERE ARE NO black
American DANCE
hi guys.
while i have been following the thread with great zest and interest, i'd
like to share something with everyone that my good friend ana sent me. i
made this last night and it was fantastic. so good i'd like to share with
you, just to serve as an intermission between rounds. it tastes
Has anyone mentioned the Nazis yet on this thread, so that it can
officially end?
-Eli B
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Since the early-mid 90's this has certainly turned around
dramatically affording people like Dan Sicko, Simon Reynold's, Hobey
Eichlin and Mike Rubin and various others the opportunity to cover
or relate interesting stories and get paid.
^^
I hope you mean this
http://www.superosity.com/d/20020302.html
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hi guys.
while i have been following the thread with great zest and interest, i'd
like to share
uhh Fishbone anyone?
I will read Billboard more now.
Five
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hi guys.
while i have been following the thread with great zest and interest, i'd
like to share something with everyone that my good friend ana sent me. i
made this last night and it was fantastic. so good i'd like to share with
you, just to serve
not sure if anyone forwarded this message to this list, it's from microsound
:
for a very interesting read check out the new XLR8R issue with Juan Atkins
on the cover...in the interview with Juan he highlights some really
disturbing racial issues regarding the lack of black techno/electronica
If only I wasn't on the Atkins diet! Maybe I should just hurl insults and
eat some beef jerky...
At 04:12 PM 3/5/2002, Rob Theakston wrote:
hi guys.
while i have been following the thread with great zest and interest, i'd
like to share something with everyone that my good friend ana sent
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 4:15:04 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came:
M If only I wasn't on the Atkins diet! Maybe I should just hurl insults and
M eat some beef jerky...
Funny you'd mention the Atkins diet on the 313 list . . .
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Brian balistic Prince
http://www.bprince.com - art
At 06:12 PM 3/5/2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote:
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 4:15:04 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came:
M If only I wasn't on the Atkins diet! Maybe I should just hurl insults and
M eat some beef jerky...
Funny you'd mention the Atkins diet on the 313 list . . .
Big Loda . Krhn wrote:
If you want the businesses to change, you have to change the consumer
first. Businesses react to demand.
That's why businesses actively try to *create* demand first. 'The Next
Big Thing' and all that... Also witness programs like 'Pop Idol',
'Starmaker' etc. (dunno if
The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It
gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded
so far pretty much without them... it pisses them off to no end. I like
:)
Otto
yeah, keep em behind -
all the hard working independent labels
neontsetse services react to your requests and stop double spacing
4 your enjoyment this one got redesigned - c bullistic pints edition 2002
The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It
gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded
so far
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