also what are peoples opinions on digital djing in general?
well, I only ever saw someone do it once at a party.
it was kirk de giorgio, and it was pretty incredible and kind of changed my
whole perception of it.
his last 45 minutes was just classic after classic after classic, all sort
of
i used to think that until i played with Live. i think that as long as
it's not all controlled with a mouse (that doesn't feel like djing, for
sure) then it's the end result that matters. the things that can be done
genuinely live, in a spontaneous way...which is the key here in software
and allow big variety in the music being played.
I think this might be one of the most important points of it all.
I think in general, certainly in the UK, theres a huge downturn in people
being interested enough to go out to clubs. (obviously not all, some clubs
are flourishing) and I think
deep-z wrote:
of coarse, if you have a MIDI controller along with Live! or let's say NI
Traktor, it's ok.
but main thing that starts to bother me is this:
if all dj's will start using their pc's to mix things then vinyl business will
eventualy die. look at by example soulseek or some
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and allow big variety in the music being played.
I think this might be one of the most important points of it all.
I think in general, certainly in the UK, theres a huge downturn in people
being interested enough to go out to clubs. (obviously not all, some clubs
Alex Bond wrote:
so maybe digital dj'ing allows someone to think more about
programming than actual mixing (as it's virtually 'automatic')
and I think that has to be a good thing. I think?
I'd actually say that digital dj'ing gives DJs the flexibility to choose how
much automation they
Nice.
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From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 January 2004 11:48
To: 313@hyperreal.org
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Alex Bond wrote:
so maybe digital dj'ing allows someone to think more about
programming than actual mixing (as it's
True, true - I've seen some great stuff done with both - but I think the
game is about to get hotter - on Wednesday I witnessed one of the best, if
not only real-time controllers for these packages - I can't say any more, as
I'm under an NDA but the end of Feb will be very interesting...
23/1/04
I'd agree robin but I think it happened 2 years ago and peoples perception
is just now catching up.
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i used
i think i'm gonna plump for one of these...nice and cheap too:
http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/evo_xsession.htm
i wonder if the mxf8 from the Notron people will be good (eh martin? :)
i guess the AH xone 92 (drool) is the ultimate but at £1150 it's way
out of my league!
robin...
cough
We have two of these Robin, well tacky and not enough nob's but they do the
trick - needs new drivers as some things are just a little too slow for our
liking. Not sure how long they are going to hold up as well...
23/1/04 12:29 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i think i'm gonna plump for one of
http://www.evolution.co.uk/products/evo_xsession.htm
i wonder if the mxf8 from the Notron people will be good (eh martin? :)
i guess the AH xone 92 (drool) is the ultimate but at £1150 it's way
out of my league!
Kirk had one I was looking at, It had 8 channels I think, and it had an
ableton live
Kirk had one I was looking at, It had 8 channels I think, and it had an
ableton live logo on there. maybe that was a sticker?
Maybe it was the Evolution UC-33 with the Ableton overlay?
http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=news-archivesub=evolution_uc33
I use one of these with Live (and Logic
Is it Plastic or Metal Tom...
PS, reviews section is live - send ya stuff for review fella :)
23/1/04 12:51 PM Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kirk had one I was looking at, It had 8 channels I think, and it had an
ableton live logo on there. maybe that was a sticker?
Maybe it was the Evolution
Tom Churchill wrote:
Kirk had one I was looking at, It had 8 channels I think, and it had an
ableton live logo on there. maybe that was a sticker?
Maybe it was the Evolution UC-33 with the Ableton overlay?
http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=news-archivesub=evolution_uc33
I use one of
Maybe it was the Evolution UC-33 with the Ableton overlay?
thats exactly what it was Tom, thanks for that.
other folks, they're alright these, I tell ya..
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23/1/04 12:52 PM Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Churchill wrote:
Kirk had one I was looking at, It had 8 channels I think, and it had an
ableton live logo on there. maybe that was a sticker?
Maybe it was the Evolution UC-33 with
i discovered ableton live a few days ago and have started to chop my
vinyls into handy loops. it's really sick work but on the other hand i
can't wait to add this to my vinyl/fs set.
as far as i got it, most of you use ableton to play entire tracks with
it? uhm, i can't open any mp3's here, you
Ronny Pries wrote:
i discovered ableton live a few days ago and have started to chop my
vinyls into handy loops. it's really sick work but on the other hand i
can't wait to add this to my vinyl/fs set.
as far as i got it, most of you use ableton to play entire tracks with
it? uhm, i can't
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i discovered ableton live a few days ago and have started to chop my
vinyls into handy loops. it's really sick work but on the other hand i
can't wait to add this to my vinyl/fs set.
as far as i got it, most of you use ableton to play entire tracks
with the
clumbsy marker controls in ableton, not me.
Quest Pond
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i discovered ableton live a few days ago and have started to chop my
vinyls
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On 24-jan-04, at 2:23, Quest Pond wrote:
use both audo no midi
play virtual instrument plugins
Ableton is a rewire master and slave application AFAIK so you could
play
Ableton is a rewire master and slave application AFAIK so you could
play it along with your favorite sequencer...
Anyone who ever tried it knows it's a more attractive in theory over
practice, no offense.
Plus I find it think it's quite misleading for Live to be marketed as a MIDI
device. It
24/1/04 1:36 AM Quest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getting to techie to be on 313 i feel
But isn't this where we are at - the future and technology, certainly beats
people have a pop at Jeff Mills...
Martin Dust
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24/1/04 1:36 AM Quest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getting to techie to be on 313 i feel
But isn't this where we are at - the future and technology, certainly
i strongly dislike ableton. it's a good tool for studio style mixing, a
great advance and added flexibility etc, but i still see it as studio style
mixing. it makes mixing a very cerebral process; it's way geeky. and it's
too safe. to me it is at odds with the pleasure of playing and listening
No, it's not just you. Though, listening to a DJ literally remix a track
right before your eyes can be a pretty excellent experience. Some DJ's don't
like just playing tracks, and that's fine too.
I guess if you want to just listen to a track, you can buy the record
yourself and play it at
Just to add my 2 cents...
I don't think Ableton was really every conceived of as a DJ tool in any
sort of conventional sense. Sure, you CAN use it that way. But as has
been discussed, it's a little too safe.
When Robert Henke first built the Live prototype as a Max patch, it was
for him
you dont want the overhead of decoding multiple mp3 streams
in realtime (by default, live reads the wav in realtime
each time it plays, a lot like a record player... )applying
pitch or time shifting, and then output as an uncompressed
stream. you can upgrade hard drives with much more ease
than a
who has time to put markers on all mp3 tracks
especally
with the
clumbsy marker controls in ableton, not me.
Quest Pond
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From: Ronny Pries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 2:07 PM
To: '313'
Subject: RE: (313) Ableton Live mixes
i discovered
i don't know whether this is going solely to you or the whole list. i don't
speak often.
but: closer to the edit!?!
i don't know if he was using ableton, but i do believe that that is the
potential of LIVE mixing loops that you 'spent a week to cut up'. if that is
your vision, and that's how
your 808 must be ghetto because mine makes some FINE coffee
:p
Just to add my 2 cents...
I don't think Ableton was really every conceived of as a DJ
tool in any sort of conventional sense. Sure, you CAN use
it that way. But as has been discussed, it's a little too
safe.
When Robert Henke
nicely said dennis
When Robert Henke first built the Live prototype as a Max patch, it was for
him to do his own live shows, using his own loops, but with the freedom to
combine and collage (not a verb, I know) on the fly.
exactly! which from my p.o.v., makes it not so hot as a live tool as
It's a little like finding out that your 808 can make drip coffee, then
finding out that it's really bad coffee, then selling your 808 because
it sucks.
I find that at adding a bit of cowbell makes the coffee tastes much
better... unlike the 303 coffee makers - the coffee always tastes too
J. T. wrote:
imo henke's genius is in reaktor, not ableton...
I think he might disagree with you.
yeah i dont mean to write-off the program, or mixes done in ableton, i
just do not see it as the future of music or as some new frontier for
mixing.
No single tool is the future of
i think ACID was used for that mix.
and yeah it's a good example of the use of software for a mixcould
do with a few more hooks in there tho to contast with the
minimalismbut that's just a personal taste thing.
robin...
- i don't know whether this is going solely to you or the
- whole
we're talking about maybe 1-2% per mp3 stream. that is not the argument.
besides, my notebook hd is already the max. size limit.
on the other hand it's simply impossible to play with mp3 loops because
mp3 isn't gapless (adds a few ms silence before and after the data
area). i would just like to
[robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
can anyone point me in the direction of any more Ableton Live created
mixes?
http://www.atomly.com/music/sets/
I'd check out the newest first:
http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_live_at_dbn_nye_20031231.mp3
It's a DJ set of sorts, though all tracks are by me.
--
1-2 percent adds up.
this is the reason ableton hasnt done it, check their forums
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:59 AM
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we're talking about maybe 1-2% per mp3
standard!!
(And, yes its really encoded in MP3).
- KiDD*e*
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1-2 percent adds up.
this is the reason ableton
[KiDDy*RaVeR [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I dont use Ableton, but i have experienced this MP3 silence gap
problem, since i work on Macromedia Flash. You can dynamically import
external MP3 into your Flash movie. But forget it, if you wanna make a
loop with it... While, its possible to import a WAV
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1-2 percent adds up.
this is the reason ableton hasnt done it, check their forums
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24/1/04 1:36 AM Quest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getting to techie to be on 313 i feel
But isn't this where we are at - the future and technology, certainly beats
people have a pop at Jeff Mills...
Martin Dust
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