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From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:24:19 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
There are lots
.
Respect,
k
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From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:31 AM
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Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
I wouldn't ...
Aside from a few very nice cuts, the rest sounded too much like
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| From: Cyborg K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 22:22
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| You have some good points, and I don't entirely disagree. I
| might want to talk about this more with you off-list.
Aaargh, no! This seems to be the only conversational strand out of all
I dont need more toys, I need more good records to play out, Alan declares.
Word. (I'm still gonna get a FS setup soon to play around with it.)
I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
It's sad how a lot of people have turned their backs on
techno.
It really is one of the most misunderstood and hated
electronic music genres out there, I would attribute the lack
of interest to the popularity of house and trance and the
older
(elitist) generation maturing away from techno to
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Sent: 12 February 2003 14:04
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
It's sad how a lot of people have turned their backs on
techno.
It really is one of the most misunderstood and hated
electronic music genres out there, I would attribute the lack
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
(one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
That's a big can of worms you're opening there.
Too right - I thought this might even be a bit of trolling. There is a TOTAL
F*CKING DIFFERENCE between the majority of identikit
maturing away from techno to other
forms
of electronic music. (i.e., IDM, Larry Heard, Broken Beat,
Moodyman, soulful house, electro, ect..)
One of the major dance ma, 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
Here we go with the soul cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting the
similarities in early Detroit techno
like Wiggin and the techno you hear today, you even
hear the
hahaha...
on 2/12/03 8:57 AM, spw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jemm Mills
What about the tracky Pro-Jex sound Rob???
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From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 February 2003 15:37
To: Toby Frith; 313 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't
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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:58 PM
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Here we go with the soul cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling
not everyone looks to techno for soul in the way that you
mean it. the fact that it lacks this soul is refreshing
to a great number of people. this list is pretty
unrealistic however, and reknowned for exactly that.
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday,
Wiggin
(one of the
Nude Photo or Wiggin are much more than just DJ Tools. You can put these
records on at home, in your lounge and listen to them as complete pieces of
music.
That's the difference IMHO.
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
(one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful like
Moodyman or Broken Beat.
And neither am I - I'm talking about techno. Not Moodymann or whatever.
Maybe you just mentioned
maturing away from techno to other
forms
of electronic music. (i.e., IDM, Larry Heard, Broken Beat,
Moodyman, soulful house, electro, ect..)
One of the major dance ma, 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't believe you are comparing Derrick Mays - Wiggin
/ nude photo to
the over produced blandness of Adam Beyer's drum code
series.
or am i wrong?
The early Drumcode records were cool, and to be honest I'm
not a huge fan of Sweed techno but a lot of it has a
techno, I think you're at fault as well...
D
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From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:06 AM
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Hmmm
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records, when you hear a good DJ
spinning that stuff it all makes sense.
on
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 15:57 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
Here we go with the soul cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting
the
similarities in early Detroit
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 16:34 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant
on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about
tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records,
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
on 2/12/03 10:30 AM, Klaas Jan Jongsma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is actually the most crap reply i have seen in months! Almost
every piece of modern dance music has a
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
no shti...but what does that prove?
robin...
like Funky Funk Funk.
Brendan
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| From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 15:46
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
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| You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
| tracks like Funky Funk Funk
:36 PM
Subject: RE: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
But the thing with good techno is that it shouldn't really endeavour to
sound a hell of a lot like music that was being made ten or fifteen
years ago, surely? Obviously a lot of the music on Drumcode is
influenced by early techno, but I
Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
the point being made here is that techno _contains_ some tracks that are
just loops, but techno also contains tunes that are dripping in feelings
other than raw energy.
techno
.
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| From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 16:40
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
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| Yes, I agree. I'm always looking for the next Beau Mot Plage,
| or indeed Axis
| 11.
|
| That's the great
on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
If you showed toady's techno to someone in the mid 90's it
would sound more advanced, they might not like what they
hear though.
I think this was T1000's point about not enough quality
techno being released although there are other good forms of
electronic music.
on 2/12/03 10:36 AM, Brendan
most of you here have.
I hope I wasn't too confusing
fab
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From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Klaas Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant
Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
h ha ha hah hah hah aha ha hah aha ha haha ah a ha ah aha ahha
sorry
I'm glad this is on topic, I love talking about this kind of thing. So,
:07 PM
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
Any views
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| Sent: 12 February 2003 16:07
| To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
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| on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| Beau Mot Plage
|
| That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of
| reminds me of
| that old
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
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| You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
| tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
| Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's
techno.
|
|
|
I agree, a whole night of banging loop techno is monotonous
but the techno genre has a distinctive sound, mechanical and
futuristic in nature like Juan and D. May intended with the
early Transmat records.
I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
that the music is immature it's
| To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| If you showed toady's techno to someone in the mid 90's it
| would sound more advanced, they might not like what they
| hear though.
| I think this was T1000's point about not enough quality
| techno
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From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
that the music is immature it's that people become more
conservative at an old age.
i dont see why you think people become more conservative. what
I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
I gave up on trying to see the music live. Anytime there is a big (or even
little)
techno show you end up waiting hours to get in, or you show up
that all depends on your definition of Detroit techno, now doesn't it?
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
still creating
Detroit techno
on 2/12/03 11:32 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why adult contemporary music sounds so cheesy because
people's
brains go into parental mode after their sexual prime, I think
this is what
you see whith artist like Carl Craig who are interested in more
traditional
Because it's far less interesting to listen to, IMHO.
The thing with Detroit techno was that you could enjoy it at the club
*and* on your own terms. I can't say the same for your so-called DJ
Tools.
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and
I´m starting to wonder what are these dj-tool labels ? or artists ?
drumcode style ? there´s quite a lot that kind of sound around but that
ain´t the only style of new techno. check for example kanzleramt.
and speaking of tool techno, me thinks Mike Ink´s Studio 1 series were
extreme tools and
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I had this thought:
If we could just supply decks and a mixer with each loop record
:P
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and can be quite enjoyable.
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From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With Innerzone Orchestra for example, I hear an older form of already
established 20th Century music that predates techno
incorporating live session musicians playing conventional type
acoustic
instrument
great record!
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From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
you dont hear much about making techno
for the 21'st Century.
: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful like
Moodyman or Broken Beat.
And neither am I - I'm talking about techno
not any more immune to my environment than anyone else.
.dave
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:33 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
-- Original Message
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 21:24 Europe/Amsterdam, Dan Sicko wrote:
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a
few) There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
Agreed! The list is endless: Duplex, Keith Tucker,
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I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other
forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful
DS How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
DS There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
DS evolutions of Detroit techno.
When I first joined 313 a couple years ago, most of the techno I'd
heard and collected was on the well-established,
Cyborg K wrote:
However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking music, whether we are
talking about a techno record, or Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Pierre
Boulez, Gustav Mahler, John Cage, etc. The desire to return to a
traditional song structure,
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From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First, you're advocating innovation and deriding regression.
But
then you advocate universality and basic rhythm. I'd venture
to say
that you can't have it both ways.
thats what i was
Your debating tactics are all well documented here:
http://www.proft.org/tips/conv-terror.html
If you've found yourself in the situation of having to rely on something
like this to make your point, you've failed.
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:57 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Cyborg K wrote:
However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking music, whether we
Cyborg K wrote:
The song structure, as I see it, cannot
be understood within our given historical situation outside of an
understanding of the entire system of pop music, MTV, record labels,
stars,
and hyper-capitalism.
Except that it's old as hell. Contemporary song structure, as an
i would add blaktronics to this list
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From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:24:19 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul
http://www.gothamgrooves.com/newsletter/feb-03/T-1000Intvw.html
Not sure if this has been posted already
www.bleep43.com
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From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:33 PM
Subject: [313] T-1000 Interview.
somehow i knew that he wasn't going to retire at the end of the year like
all those rumors that were flying around a couple of months ago
somehow i knew that he wasn't going to retire at the end of the year like
all those rumors that were flying around a couple of months ago. F*ck what
they thought...
jeff
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