Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Ben Moore
Hi Brett - Can you send me additional details on the issue to ben.m...@ubnt.com? I will have our support team reach out to you. Do you have a ticket # with our support team already? Thanks, Ben On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield < br...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > Anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I do/would Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 17, 2015 11:45 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > Even if its just for read only access? > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http:

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Yes, you risk exposing internal network info to outside attackers on any router that's facing the interwebs. Using a community string other than public or private is usually sufficient for security by obscurity, but I would lock it down a bit more. On 3/17/2015 10:45 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Even if its just for read only access? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:43 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) < geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: > Uh, yeah. You could

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Uh, yeah. You could also lock down the SNMP service to your NOC subnet(s), etc. On 3/17/2015 10:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I too have SNMP enabled on all 2011's. Should I be changing the community string to something other than public? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 12

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I too have SNMP enabled on all 2011's. Should I be changing the community string to something other than public? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] [Fiber] calix 726GE ONT

2015-03-17 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm not sure how similar it is, but I have a few Occam 2342 ONT's on my network that I haven't had any issues with. -Jason On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > 726GE

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Why do you say that? How do you monitor them without SNMP? You could certainly apply firewall rules to port 161 to restrict access if you are worried about DoS attacks or community string dictionary attacks. Is your comment specifically about the 2011? I have SNMP enabled on all of mine. Fr

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodfield
+1 on 2011's but don't enable SNMP on them John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: "Brett A Mansfield" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:21pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router Anyone have a suggestion on an i

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Alignment tone disappeared long after 256QAM was added. I thought it was more of an oops than a temporary but intentional removal. If it was a case of having to throw a feature overboard to make room and meet a deadline, it would be the new ETSI specs not 256QAM. Which would still support you

[AFMUG] calix 726GE ONT

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Reynolds
Is anybody here using Calix 726GE ONTs or similar models? What has been your experience with them? Offlist replies are fine. Thanks -- -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Colin Stanners
>From my understanding: The 450 platform uses the standard "decode 2 signals separately" approach. Linear V vs H, or slant +45 vs -45 has ~30db isolation depending on the antennas so there's enough margin between the polarizations for the signals to be independant. But going from any linear to an

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
It’s not the antenna, it’s a probably quite powerful signal processor in MIMO WiFi chips dedicated to that function. WiFi would not be able to use MIMO without that function, since the antennas won’t have the polarizations lined up. In fact the streams probably won’t be on different polarizati

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
I concur, it's hard to beat a 2011 for the price. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > 2011 vote here > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Mar 17, 2015 9:25 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > >> I am runn

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
No I had 20-30db SNR on the links when using the slant antenna. The problem was that the radio was not able to differentiate between chains anymore after using the V-H antenna. Now this might be different now that Cambium has firmware which will do Mimo-A where it can down-modulate but at the expen

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
2011 vote here Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 17, 2015 9:25 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > I am running 2011's on tower sites doing OSPF no problem. See them > regularly push over 100megs with 20k PPS however I am not doing a

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
it's not just the 3db drop that's the problem though, the problem is both antennas are going to be seeing both signals equally, so you'll basically lose all separation. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Horrible eh ? Even if incompatible it's only a 3db drop. Your links are > 3d

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
V compared to H has 20+ dB isolation. 45 to V or H has only 3 dB. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deploymen

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
As I understand it, it's a capability that's built into wifi chipsets... it actually does appear to work with ubnt too. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > That just boggles my mind. Why doesn't the 450SM work with both antenna > types then? Why would a cheap $100 SM radio

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread TJ Trout
Horrible eh ? Even if incompatible it's only a 3db drop. Your links are 3db from working ? On Mar 17, 2015 6:24 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > That just boggles my mind. Why doesn't the 450SM work with both antenna > types then? Why would a cheap $100 SM radio have a more sophisticated > antenna

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am running 2011's on tower sites doing OSPF no problem. See them regularly push over 100megs with 20k PPS however I am not doing any VLANS. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Tue, Mar 17, 2

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That just boggles my mind. Why doesn't the 450SM work with both antenna types then? Why would a cheap $100 SM radio have a more sophisticated antenna design than a $250 FPGA radio? I can personally attest that you CAN NOT hook up a 2.4ghz 450 slant SM to an AP that's running a V/H antenna. Tried th

[AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

2015-03-17 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Anyone have a suggestion on an inexpensive but really good router that can handle routing 4 VLANs and OSPF? I need to replace my EdgeRouters that panic weekly. I have one at each pop. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
It works with any SM, there's nothing special about the antennas. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Any SM or just the ones that were made to support slant? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Mar

[AFMUG] Severe solar storm today

2015-03-17 Thread Bill Prince
We started losing subs on 4 of 7 sectors in 5 GHz today right about the time this thing was hitting. This happens to be on a site where the RF conditions are challenging anyway. I was baffled until our tower manager sent me this story. http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/17

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I will agree with Mark on the performance of the 450 3.65ghz NLOS. Having run all 3 of the different frequencies bands in 450 the 2.4Ghz version of 450 will out perform the 3.65ghz version all day long. Its about somewhere in the middle between 2.4ghz and 5ghz. The only reason I am deploying any 3

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Bill Prince
320 sounds a lot like 900 MHz. bp On 3/17/2015 11:43 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: On 3/17/15 2:29 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting closer to the NLOS capabilities of the 320 because of the recent added features like 5ms framing and MIMO-A. A si

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread Bill Prince
George, I don't hate you. bp On 3/17/2015 2:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: The damn SM bridge table still doesn't work on v2.4. I cannot save my GUI login info. This is very annoying. You need to figure out a way for the AP date/time to be propagated down to the SMs like C

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Chuck McCown
We are a bit more laid back here. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450 Does AFMUG need an equivalent to WISPA's "Principal Members" list so vendors don't see when we talk about them (or their p

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes, that is true. But exchanging new information about new products can be done without advertising. But it can be abused too... -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Any SM or just the ones that were made to support slant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 17, 2015 8:51 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > There was an explanation made that was over my head even with 20 years rf > experience but basicall

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread TJ Trout
There was an explanation made that was over my head even with 20 years rf experience but basically the sm doesn't care sees them both the same strength and no compromise On Mar 17, 2015 4:35 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > I'm curious to know what everyone is using for 2 GHz sectors. Primarily > lin

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Does AFMUG need an equivalent to WISPA's "Principal Members" list so vendors don't see when we talk about them (or their products) (or their competitors products)? -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP32

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
And I thought you had to be an Animal Farm sponsor to advertise here. Others have had their hand slapped for doing exactly this in the past. Just my opinion. Running away now. On 3/17/2015 2:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Eric asked about 320 vs 450, and I answered his question. Not every quest

[AFMUG] Microsoft sends Internet Explorer to tech's scrapheap

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/03/17/microsoft-internet-explorer-project-spartan/24909091/ Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Oh, and viewing the Monitor > Wireless AP page on a small screen like my laptop. Scroll over, it auto-refreshes and scrolls itself back. A! On 3/17/2015 5:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote: I'm feeling your pain. Trying to get Radios configured for the guys tomorrow. Taking almost 20 min per ra

[AFMUG] ePMP 2 GHz deployments

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm curious to know what everyone is using for 2 GHz sectors. Primarily linear vs slant but also OEM vs aftermarket sectors. PS. I heard through the grapevines that the (integrated) CPEs can do slant and linear. Is this true? Is there no loss in signal regardless of your AP/Sector being 90*/45

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] info from customer - Upgrade to service - Customer #8 is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!

2015-03-17 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
i didn't offer him the job lol - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: memb...@wispa.org Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] info from customer - Upgrade to service - Customer #8 is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY! Employed by the

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread Vince West
I don't have too much trouble with the web pages. However, I only view them on my desktop. Rarely do I use a laptop, if that makes any difference. The upgrade time for the firmware is indeed a pain. And I can sympathize with the inability to highlight the fields and start typing. It gets me every t

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] info from customer - Upgrade to service - Customer #8 is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Employed by the Broadsoft? Those phone guys that bought out the pretty Tekelec only to chew it up and leave it in the litter box? =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > so..

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh that automatic highlight changing stuff...makes me want to drop kick puppies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > I'm feeling your pain. Trying to get Radios configured for the

[AFMUG] info from customer - Upgrade to service - Customer #8 is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!

2015-03-17 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
so.KUDOS to the cambium team. we've rolled epmp 2.4 on two of our most populated towers and now that the weather is better, we're upgrading folks who have been on a list. "MIKE MIKE MIKE" is "HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY". Of course, we went with the 2.4 EPMP for a few goals: 1) good reviews from

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread Nate Burke
I'm feeling your pain. Trying to get Radios configured for the guys tomorrow. Taking almost 20 min per radio to configure by the time you upgrade the firmware and WAIT FOR THE BLASTED WEB PAGES TO FINISH LOADING Oh, and the fact that you can't highlight a field (like the IP Address) and

Re: [AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Until they get the AP/SM proxy, you can always do a static ARP to 169.254.1.1 and NAT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) < geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: > The damn SM bri

[AFMUG] More ePMP gripes

2015-03-17 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
The damn SM bridge table still doesn't work on v2.4. I cannot save my GUI login info. This is very annoying. You need to figure out a way for the AP date/time to be propagated down to the SMs like Canopy. I need AP>SM GUI proxy like Canopy. Needed it today, didn't have it. The GUI is beautif

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Patrick Leary
I did not dispute that part Adam. In case you did not notice, I was pretty specific about that which I did dispute. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:48 PM To: af@afmug.c

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Adam Moffett
Of course, you can come on down and prove me wrong if you want to. If you do I'll deliver a hand written apology for my doubting. On 3/17/2015 4:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: No, I agree with Mark. "It would work in some places that seemed impossible and not work in others that absolutely should

Re: [AFMUG] Happy St. Patricks

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
warning...this is blatant do your weather girls look like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_RLrx60ok Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > Stay away from the weather lady Jaime! > > Jeff Broadwick > Con

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Adam Moffett
No, I agree with Mark. "It would work in some places that seemed impossible and not work in others that absolutely should have been fine" Except I would expand the statement to all NLOS products, ever. It's factual because it matches observed facts. That's the definition of factual. On 3/17

Re: [AFMUG] Happy St. Patricks

2015-03-17 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Stay away from the weather lady Jaime! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Today my name is Jamie O'Solorza as I wink me pretty green eyes at the > lassiesHa

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Patrick Leary
I just don't think your answer is factual Mark, unless you were exclusively addressing it within the context of 320 and 450, but you went broader and beyond. I'd have said nothing if you had left it between those two products. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Eric asked about 320 vs 450, and I answered his question. Not every question is a marketing opportunity for Telrad. Mark On 3/17/15 3:00 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: This, respectfully, is a view centered on limited experience. Discussing range in exclusion of product and only as a function of fr

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
5ms frame is correct and a 13.4 beta build (though the 13.4 build doesn't change RF). Mark On 3/17/15 3:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: Thanks Mark! I suspect you're using 13.3 code and 5ms framing? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh > wrote: On 3/17/1

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Thanks Mark! I suspect you're using 13.3 code and 5ms framing? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > On 3/17/15 2:29 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: > >> Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting closer to the >> NLOS capabilities of the 320 because of the recent add

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Patrick Leary
This, respectfully, is a view centered on limited experience. Discussing range in exclusion of product and only as a function of frequency, is, well, wrong. Lots of other things come in to play, from power to specs. The 320 beats the 450 in NLOS for reasons explained by basic math, better power

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On 3/17/15 2:29 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting closer to the NLOS capabilities of the 320 because of the recent added features like 5ms framing and MIMO-A. A side-by-side comparison would be nice. -Eric 450 3.65 works like you would expect s

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Eric Muehleisen
So all things being equal between the two AP's, TX power, channel size, antenna gain...the 320 still outperforms the 450 in NLOS? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > On 3/17/15 2:29 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: > >> Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting clos

Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On 3/17/15 2:29 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting closer to the NLOS capabilities of the 320 because of the recent added features like 5ms framing and MIMO-A. A side-by-side comparison would be nice. -Eric Yes. And the answer is No. Mark

[AFMUG] PMP320 vs. PMP450

2015-03-17 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Has anyone conducted this test yet? 450 might be getting closer to the NLOS capabilities of the 320 because of the recent added features like 5ms framing and MIMO-A. A side-by-side comparison would be nice. -Eric

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
My landlords had no problem with radios on the building. I've done it for neighbors, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:26 PM, John Woodfield wrote: > It seems that OTARD was intended more to deal with

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodfield
It seems that OTARD was intended more to deal with HOA BS than tenant rights. Thankfully I have never had to deal with it. Thankfully I never intend to become a rental tenant again. As far as the WISP is concerned, I would think this would be a matter to turn over to whoever underwrites their l

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
Don't get me wrong, if I was the landlord I certainly wouldn't consider it a huge damage problem... I might even consider it an improvement, but I'm not the landlord. In my opinion, it's the tenants responsibility anyway, since we're only doing what they hired us to do... but it's still a fight I'

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Most owners of residential rental property worry more about the tenant using it as a meth lab or grow house or “party house”. You folks must live in a very upscale neighborhood if a J-pipe foot on the roof and a nicely caulked up 1/4 inch hole in the siding is a huge damage problem requiring th

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Not if it is this one: [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > So if as a tenant, I have a toilet professionally installed in the living > room, that wouldn't be damage? > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Brett A Mansfield < > br...@silverlakeinternet.

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Looks like the FCC already comments on this: Q: Are there restrictions that can be placed on residents of rental property? A: Yes. A restriction necessary to prevent damage to leased property may be reasonable. For example, tenants could be prohibited from drilling holes through exterior wall

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
So if as a tenant, I have a toilet professionally installed in the living room, that wouldn't be damage? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Brett A Mansfield < br...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > Tell that to Comcast or century link. > > I as a landlord and a WISP owner am conflicted on this. I

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/17/15 10:37, Travis Johnson wrote: Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration (drilling a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the property. Any warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a certified roofer does the work and certifies the i

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
I dread when customers say “I had the roofers put your dish back up”. I have seen them fasten it with roofing nails and no sealant. I’d love to meet these roofers who “certify” a J-pipe install. From: Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm pretty any changes you make to someone else's property could be considered damage unless it's normal wear and tear. The fact is, it's going to cost the landlord money if he wants it put back to the original condition, it might not be reasonable in most people opinion to put it back to the origi

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
or the power company or... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Brett A Mansfield" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna Tell th

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Tell that to Comcast or century link. I as a landlord and a WISP owner am conflicted on this. I don't think the ISP should be held responsible unless they did a shady job. The renter needs to know the rules of the place. The ISP should always ask if they are the owner of the place. If the rent

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
As I said, I think we differ. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:37:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna Installi

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Exactly. This is one of those things where people's opinions don't mean a damn. Once holes were made, opinions are moot and the law kicks in because contracts are violated, warranties are voided, etc. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D060B8.3A412060]

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Chuck Macenski
I am not a lawyer and have never played one on TV. This is just a question. If I hire someone to cut down a tree, I would seem to be implicitly saying to the cutter that I have the right to ask them to cut the tree down. If they cut the tree down but don't have permission of the owner, it would

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Travis Johnson
Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration (drilling a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the property. Any warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a certified roofer does the work and certifies the install. Drilling a hole through the si

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I think we differ on what constitutes damage. Installing a J-mount and a cable penetration, no. Not sealing the above properly and water or critters intrude upon the structure, yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] level 1 telco training

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
I think that's acceptable if you wear a fedora... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:26 PM, That One Guy wrote: > no, minions listen and do what theyre told. I assume > shouldabeenastainonthesheets is not acceptable either? > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > >> I'll have my min

Re: [AFMUG] level 1 telco training

2015-03-17 Thread That One Guy
no, minions listen and do what theyre told. I assume shouldabeenastainonthesheets is not acceptable either? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > I'll have my minions call your minions. > > bp > > > > On 3/17/2015 9:08 AM, Keefe John wrote: > > maybe minion would be a better t

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Ubiquiti does make some 3.65 gear so maybe double check the new guy is not using any of it. If that’s the case, the Purewave guy should make sure he is in the upper 25 MHz where UBNT can’t go. Another possibility is the PW guy is counting on working with really low signal levels like –90 dBm a

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Travis Johnson
Tenants do not have the right to damage my property, regardless of their rights and due process. Travis On 3/17/2015 11:19 AM, John Woodfield wrote: Many landlords with that attitude end up criminally charged. There is such a thing as tenant rights and due process. Sent from my iPhone On Ma

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
Right, regardless of who is ultimately liable, you're probably going to have to work it out with the landlord either by fixing it, or by convincing him (or maybe a court) that it's the tenants responsibility. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Irrespective or rights or law

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Adam Moffett
Anybody who thinks they can do whatever they want could end up criminally charged, whether a landlord, tenant, or an ISP. Sorry, I don't believe any tenant rights apply in this scenario. IANAL though. On 3/17/2015 1:19 PM, John Woodfield wrote: Many landlords with that attitude end up crimin

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
I will tomorrow. .upgrading firnware. Changing modulation and power to licensed key and FCC permit..might realign one side if needed. Jaime Solorza On Mar 17, 2015 11:12 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Did you get that dragon wave system performing up to spec? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Chuck McCown
Irrespective or rights or laws or opinions, if property was damaged, the owner deserves to be made whole if it was without his permission and knowledge. From: John Woodfield Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodfield
Many landlords with that attitude end up criminally charged. There is such a thing as tenant rights and due process. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > It sounds right to me. He owns the land and property. Owner is king of his > castle. > > Josh Lut

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
It sounds right to me. He owns the land and property. Owner is king of his castle. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 17, 2015 1:13 PM, "John Woodfield" wrote: > I'm calling BS on this. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 17,

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodfield
I'm calling BS on this. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > > You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of what the > tenant told you or even signed. > > Travis > >> On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>> On 3/17/15 9:11,

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Chuck McCown
Did you get that dragon wave system performing up to spec? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:11 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference That issue doesn't involve me. The wisp I am helping out had his gear up for long time. Then Purewave Cambium g

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
That issue doesn't involve me. The wisp I am helping out had his gear up for long time. Then Purewave Cambium guy sets up. No issues. . New guy sets up few weeks ago...issues. Jaime Solorza On Mar 17, 2015 10:58 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > In a different band? Can you tell them to prove it

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I can't really comment on the Purewave picking up interference from Ubiquiti since I don't use a great deal of it. I do know of a competitor that claimed they started having interference issues when we installed a 450 3.65 SM at the same location they had what I think was a Ubiquiti 5.7 AP at.

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
In a different band? Can you tell them to prove it or lose it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 17, 2015 12:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > In this case Purewave user claiming Ubiquiti gear causing him problems. > I was up the

Re: [AFMUG] Bird bath? ETs new phone?

2015-03-17 Thread Bill Prince
There was actually a puddle in the bottom part of the dish (it was not pointed all the way up; maybe about 80°). bp On 3/17/2015 9:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: I wonder how well a NanoBridge holds water... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wro

Re: [AFMUG] Bird bath? ETs new phone?

2015-03-17 Thread Mathew Howard
I wonder how well a NanoBridge holds water... On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > This was done intentionally.. I kid you not. > > Jaime Solorza > On Mar 17, 2015 10:10 AM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > >> We had a sub on a nanobridge with that issue last week. We had clamped >>

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
In this case Purewave user claiming Ubiquiti gear causing him problems. I was up there for a third WISP having issues. Three WISPs on same site using Canopy Ubiquiti Cambium and Purewave gear...lots of 5 GHz noise. Jaime Solorza On Mar 17, 2015 10:37 AM, "Mark Radabaugh" wrote: > On 3/17/15

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Succinct answer Ken Jaime Solorza On Mar 17, 2015 10:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > No. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:19 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Question on interference > > > The Nanobridges and Rockets on left off side of tower were insta

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread Travis Johnson
You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of what the tenant told you or even signed. Travis On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote: I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is who did the actual damage

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On 3/17/15 12:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: The Nanobridges and Rockets on left off side of tower were installed rwo weeks ago and now the WISP with the Purewave gear is complaing about interference. The Ubiquiti gear is all 5ghz and Purewave gear is 3.65ghz Is Purewave converting from 5gh

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

2015-03-17 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
nice :) - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna Apparently. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Question on interference

2015-03-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
No. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:19 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Question on interference The Nanobridges and Rockets on left off side of tower were installed rwo weeks ago and now the WISP with the Purewave gear is complaing about interference. The Ubiquiti ge

Re: [AFMUG] Bird bath? ETs new phone?

2015-03-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
This was done intentionally.. I kid you not. Jaime Solorza On Mar 17, 2015 10:10 AM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > We had a sub on a nanobridge with that issue last week. We had clamped > the mount to a 2" OD conduit, and the whole dang conduit rotated. and > resulted in an installation quite a lot l

  1   2   >