Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Special Resolution of Proposal 9184

2024-10-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-10-13 at 17:17 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/13/24 17:15, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 9184 > > > > > > ID    Title Result > > --- > > 9184  Ratification f

Re: DIS: Proto: Crystal Improvements

2024-09-17 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-09-17 at 17:46 -0700, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > All previous crystals are destroyed, and each crystal owner gains crystals > equal to the total size of crystals they owned previously. Shouldn't this take instability into account? Otherwise, it disproportionately rewards

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9168-9178 (@Spendor)

2024-09-15 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-09-15 at 16:38 -0400, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > Agora had the other 7 stones. Agora can't own spendies, though, so the > Lost and Found Department ends up with those. The proposal only compensated players. IIRC Agora isn't a player at the moment (and I can't remember whe

[ais523's History Corner] Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (corrected)

2024-09-09 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-09-10 at 08:12 +1000, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: > But, (aside from the CoE) what is musicianship? I can't find it in > the rulesets. [Note: this article is a) written from memory and b) contains discussion of events that happened prior to when I first registered at Agora

Re: DIS: Re: (Proposal, @Promotor) BUS: A New Economy

2024-09-07 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-09-08 at 00:32 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/7/24 21:47, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > Create a new power 2 rule, "Megaphones": > > {{{ > >   Megaphones are fungible assets. The Assessor is the recordkeepor > >   of Megaphones. The creation, destru

Re: DIS: Proto: Chits

2024-09-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-09-02 at 17:19 -0500, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote: > - Sky Chit (6): If the flippor or the flippee (or both) is an officer > and e has published each of eir reports since that report's most > recent tardiness, the flippor and flippee each gain 1 stamp of the > other's type. "if n

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset - 1 Sep 2024

2024-09-01 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-09-01 at 03:02 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/1/24 02:58, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET > > > So... is this sufficient under the new reporting standard? This isn't > labeling the report as the "Rulekeepor's weekly report". >

DIS: Re: (@Spendor, Stonemason, Collector, Illuminator, Assessor, Prime Minister, Herald) BUS: Stones again

2024-08-31 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-09-01 at 01:00 +0100, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > (Note that if other stone actions happen at around the same time as > this message – which is quite plausible close to a month boundary – it > is possible that some of these actions will fail due to Stone Costs > being wrong. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Prime Minister election

2024-08-28 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2024-08-28 at 17:23 -0400, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 5:01 PM Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > If you run out of spendies, that’s a massive issue > > > > Does it? If I run out, it becomes impossi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sure, fine, whatever [ATTN: Herald]

2024-08-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-08-27 at 11:39 -0400, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 11:34 AM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > An overt intent to declare Apathy, however, is likely to be > > objected to by pretty much

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sure, fine, whatever [ATTN: Herald]

2024-08-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-08-27 at 15:07 +, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: > You should have specified Janet as well. If you did this, e would be > less likely to object. In general, if you're planning to run some sort of scam that involves nobody noticing what you're up to, it's best to bribe a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9159-9167

2024-08-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-08-20 at 16:47 -0400, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/20/24 8:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > > > 9162~   Mischief    1.0   Shameless Bribery 2A > > AGAINST: I am philosophically opposed to bribing people to pass > > proposals using assets/rewards t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2024-08-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-08-18 at 14:12 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > juan wrote: > > However, there are strict requirements on consent for registration, so a > > report couldn't reasonably register someone without express consent. But > > that seems sketchy. > > > > Of course, I could be

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) Judging CFJs 4080 and 4081

2024-08-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-08-11 at 19:29 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I recommend a proposal to more explicitly remove the fugitive delegations > (Though they are kinda fun to keep around since they don't do anything), > and also note it may be a patent title, as the Herald is responsible for

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Another double resolution proposal

2024-08-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-08-11 at 16:36 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > [snip] > > * With T notice: that intent is ripe, was created at least T ago, e is a > sponsor of it. There's a missing "and" here. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: The Scroll of Agora

2024-08-03 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-08-04 at 14:06 +1000, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: > Can I ask what this part is, and how it is ratified? These are patent titles that are not Rules-defined (together with a few that are Rules-defined, but don't fall into any neat categories). The non-Rules-defined ones come

DIS: Re: BUS: help I have no idea what I'm doing (attn. Stonemason)

2024-07-29 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-07-29 at 22:25 +0100, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- business wrote: > I pay a fee of 6 Spendies to transfer the Minty Stone to myself. > > I pay a fee of 6 Spendies to transfer the Radiant Stone to myself. > > I pay a fee of 6 Spendies to transfer the Power Stone to myself. > > (

DIS: Re: ALT: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9144-9147

2024-07-28 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-07-21 at 18:59 -0500, secretsnail wrote: > ID: 9145 > Title: Pragmatic quarters > Adoption Index: 2.0 > Author: Murphy > Co-authors: Mischief > > > Amend Rule 2555 (Blots) by replacing this text: > >    At the beginning of each quarter, half (rounded down) of each >    fugit

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor, @Tailor)

2024-07-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 14:09 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > snail wrote: > > > Do the awards, bozos > > Wins in 2023, based on comparing the Herald's reports of 2023-01-02 vs > 2024-01-27 (the latter of which mentions that there were no new patent > titles since Nov 2023): > >  

Re: DIS: Suggestions on the Absurd

2024-07-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-07-02 at 17:51 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- discussion wrote: > Further gamification perhaps? > > Maybe "achievements" once we accomplish something peculiar with the > boulder, or the possibility to earn lootboxes with silly, pointless > prizes. Thinking about this: some sort o

DIS: Re: BUS: Full Transparency (@Tailor)

2024-07-01 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-07-01 at 18:52 -0400, Mischief via agora-business wrote: > I qualify for a White Ribbon, as I have never previously owned one I was a little surprised by this one, so I checked: you had Orange and Blue ribbons in 2008, but not White. (Previous rulesets count.) -- ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [proposal] It's about time

2024-06-30 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-06-30 at 11:34 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: >  5. Any anniversary, monthly anniversary, or quarterly anniversary that >     would otherwise occur on a day of the month that does not exist >     (after considering any leap day) instead occurs on the following day. What's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald) Victory by Quickdraw

2024-06-28 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2024-06-28 at 11:20 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I believe that deals and alliances are going to be extremely strong here. > To me, it seems to be in practice a prerequisite to incarnating at all in > the first place. There is no downside (other than the rather pro

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald) Victory by Quickdraw

2024-06-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 21:34 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I stand Alone. Now I'm trying to figure out how you could afford to bribe so many people (particularly along the lines of "are these bribes large, in which case you might not be able to pay for them, or small, in which cas

DIS: Re: BUS: Bangs and such

2024-06-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 21:25 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I eliminate ais523 by paying a fee of 1 bang. I have 2 Bangs for sale. Is anyone willing to make offers? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2024-06-23 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 11:50 +1000, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: > Query: This report lists my lateness as !!! - but Simplifior was only > enacted in the past 24 hrs, right? Am I misinterpreting something in > this report? My guess is that the report is automatically generated, and the au

Re: DIS: Re: [@ais523] CFJs 4084, 4085 [Re: BUS: CFJ - 4st/apathy name clarifications (@Arbitor)]

2024-05-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 12:59 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/27/24 12:53, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > I CFJ: "The CFJ above bars the player currently named 'apathy'" > > I number this CFJ 4085. I assign it to ais523. > > Gratuitous: This is trivially TRUE. Names have no legal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Blotter (and a history lesson @Mischief)

2024-05-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-05-19 at 15:09 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > > particular, if a contract would be given a Rest (the equivalent of a > > Blot), every member of the contract would be given a Rest instead. > > > the Insulator (equivalent of today's Referee) was re

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-14 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 06:55 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means > to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable, provided there are only > Invulnerable or Ghostly players. [snip] > When the match is reset, each player is set to Ghostly,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals (attn Promotor)

2024-05-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-05-12 at 15:32 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: No apathetic apathy > > Amend Rule 2465 (Victory by Apathy) by appending this text: > >    A player SHALL NOT announce intent to Declare Apathy and then >    fail to Declare Apathy before that intent ce

Re: DIS: Winpalooza

2024-05-09 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2024-05-09 at 09:11 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/6/24 15:15, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > > So ais523 has basically won 3 times, paradox, stones, and radiance, pretty > > much in a row. > > > > Just would like to point that out. > > A portion of this, at least

Re: DIS: Re: (@Herald, Illuminator, Collector, Stonemason) BUS: A hat-trick

2024-05-07 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-05-07 at 09:30 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps, I'm personally not too sure about it, although I haven't > participated in Radiance yet, myself. I think it's good to have the > different subgames have different levels of risk and gameplay style. We > alrea

Re: DIS: Winpalooza

2024-05-06 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-05-06 at 13:15 -0700, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > So ais523 has basically won 3 times, paradox, stones, and radiance, > pretty much in a row. > > Just would like to point that out. The wins came together at around the same time, but the start of planning for them was quit

DIS: Re: (@Herald, Illuminator, Collector, Stonemason) BUS: A hat-trick

2024-05-06 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-05-06 at 17:47 +0100, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > My radiance is 100. This announcement causes me to win the game. …which reminds me that the radiance reset is still broken. I have been wondering if it would make more sense to cap the value of the reset, i.e. if you have less

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New week, new push (attn Absurdor)

2024-05-05 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-05-05 at 21:38 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- discussion wrote: > It's crazy to me how they've made a whole video game based on an > Agoran subgame. BF Joust escaped its origins as an Agoran subgame and became something that received intermittent play for over seven years. I'm not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-04-30 at 09:52 -0700, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I object. > Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the > owner is ambiguous. > The owner becomes ambiguous at step 2, wherein we are not sure if ais523 > can take the asset due to the ensuing cont

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-28 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-04-28 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > I was looking for (but couldn't find) one or two other cases that G. was > involved in, along the lines of: > >    * A player plays card X which gives em card Y, then plays card Y > which retroactively negates eir pl

Re: DIS: Self-Promotion

2024-04-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-04-21 at 15:16 +1000, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: > Good something to you all, > Is there a circumstance where the Promoter is allowed to promote > themselves > to some role, or when (rarely) creating a new role, do we assume the > Promoter cannot do this self-despotism? No

DIS: Re: BUS: Civic Duty (Absurdor)

2024-04-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2024-04-13 at 22:11 -0400, Quadrantal via agora-business wrote: > I push þe boulder. > > -- > > The above message shall be read, to the fullest extent possible, as if > it was sent with the digraph "th" in place of all occurrences of the > character thorn ("þ"), and such digraphs were c

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 4075 & 4076 Assigned to kiako [Re: BUS: (@Notary, Arbitor) A Broken Promise]

2024-04-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2024-04-10 at 09:17 -0500, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote: > ARGUMENTS FOR [X] > >    i. We again suppose (D) succeeds. Then one of (A) or (C) succeeds. >   ii. (B) fails, to avoid a paradox/indeterminacy. > iii. (A) fails, because (A) implies (B), and (B) must fail. >   iv. (C) succeed

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Infraction Reaction

2024-04-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-04-08 at 11:21 -0300, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > 4st nomic via agora-discussion [2024-04-05 19:16]: > > What does take complete control of Agora mean? > > > > Is any statement that is simply "not true" sufficient? > > > > Overall I find this to be unsavory. > > Yeah, rules b

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Infraction Reaction

2024-04-06 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2024-04-05 at 19:16 -0700, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > What does take complete control of Agora mean? > > Is any statement that is simply "not true" sufficient? If the statement is meaningless, then it is not true. To what extent it is meaningful, it is incorrect. (It is also

DIS: (@Janet) Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Judgment Reminder @Kate @Janet @Murphy @Gaelan

2024-03-16 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2024-03-16 at 16:23 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: Janet, you've just sent two blank messages in a row – has something gone wrong with your email client? -- ais523

DIS: Re: (@arbitor, @referee) Re: BUS: A lie

2024-03-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-03-12 at 14:29 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Or, in the alternative, based on the authority Rule 2125, Rule 2471 > prohibits sending a message with certain attributes, and that is what > the infraction is. So, the infraction isn't contained within the message > in any c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 18:01 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > from Rule 2481 (Festival Restrictions) Power 3.1: > > { >  While Agora's Festivity is nonzero, the following apply: > ... > >   2. Quorum for Agoran Decisions is equal to half the number of > Festive player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no > one else gained as many, then: >    * Only Kate's vote counted on any proposal resolved after 230. >    * Only Kate's support counted on any tabled ac

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 12:46 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Aris wrote: > > > Erm... that CFJ doesn't do what you want it to. CFJs are supposed to be > > statements, not questions, and interpreting something out of context is > > different from interpreting it in context. > > A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Covering bases

2024-03-05 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-03-05 at 14:36 -0600, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/5/24 14:24, Rowan Evans via agora-business wrote: > > After that: If I have granted myself a welcome package 52 times AND > > not granted Murphy 2.4, then 2.4 times, I grant Murphy a welcome > > package. > > This still fails

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2024-03-05 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-03-05 at 15:45 +, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mar 5, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Aris via agora-business > wrote: > > > > Erm... that CFJ doesn't do what you want it to. CFJs are supposed to be > > statements, not questions, and interpreting something out of context is >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: 𐑕𐑑𐑦𐑤 𐑦𐑯𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 (𐑯𐑴𐑚𐑩𐑛𐑰 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑕𐑑𐑪𐑐 𐑥𐑰)

2024-03-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-03-04 at 13:48 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Transliterated from the Shavian alphabet to standard English: > > { > Hello Agora, > I declare victory by apathy for Ben and Goren. To object, write "I > object to victory by apathy" > > Goodbye Agora > } > > This wasn't r

DIS: Re: BUS: 𐑕𐑑𐑦𐑤 𐑦𐑯𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 (𐑯𐑴𐑚𐑩𐑛𐑰 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑕𐑑𐑪𐑐 𐑥𐑰)

2024-03-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-03-04 at 18:19 +, Goren Barak via agora-business wrote: > 𐑣𐑧𐑤𐑴 𐑩𐑜𐑹𐑩, > 𐑲 𐑛𐑧𐑒𐑤𐑺 𐑝𐑦𐑒𐑑𐑹𐑰 𐑚𐑲 𐑨𐑐𐑩𐑔𐑰 𐑓 ·𐑚𐑧𐑯 𐑯 ·𐑜𐑹𐑧𐑯 > 𐑑 𐑳𐑚𐑡𐑧𐑒𐑑, 𐑮𐑲𐑑 "𐑲 𐑳𐑚𐑡𐑧𐑒𐑑 𐑑 𐑝𐑦𐑒𐑑𐑹𐑰 𐑚𐑲 > 𐑨𐑐𐑩𐑔𐑰" > > 𐑜𐑫𐑛𐑚𐑲 𐑩𐑜𐑹𐑩 I haven't even tried to translate this yet, but my immediate reaction was that, based on contents and on the

Re: DIS: Re: (@Stonemason, Illuminator) BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] Billboard Rock Chart - 4 Mar 2024

2024-03-03 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-03-04 at 00:57 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/4/24 00:48, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > > > I wield the Anti-Equatorial Stone, specifying the Recursion Stone (the > > Power Stone is protected). > > I wield the Recursion Stone as the Protection Stone, speci

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal - Agora of Empires

2024-03-03 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-03 at 11:45 +0100, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- discussion wrote: > > This *really* seems like an infinite free win generation machine. At the > > *very* least there should be some cooldown between wins (I'd argue for a > > global 30 day cooldown at minimum) > > > > I'm flattered t

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Geologist] shiny stuff

2024-02-26 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-02-25 at 13:41 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > 4st wrote: > > > The Geologist isn't real, and there are no crystals. If they do exist, it > > would look like this: > > Geologist Weekly: > > Snail owns Crystal 2463 with size 2. > > Snail owns Crystal 2659 with size 2.

Re: DIS: ranting about potential ruleset issue

2024-02-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 10:43 -0800, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > fwiw, I plan to vote AGAINST any attempt to ratify the ruleset as the > ruleset is currently as if we had been playing "correctly" this whole time. > > As it currently stands, a vote FOR would be a vote to maintain the stat

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9053-9057 [attn. Arbitor]

2024-02-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 15:36 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > *sigh* here we go again > > I CFJ, barring Maloney: "Proposal 9055, as part of its effect, > enacted a rule." I think the more interesting question is whether it enacted a regulation (which has a lower standard): the rule v

DIS: Re: BUS: Stone actions [attn. Stonemason]

2024-01-06 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-01-07 at 02:31 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I wield the Recursion Stone as the Power Stone, specifying the > Recursion Stone. This isn't a valid specification: the Recursion Stone is not a player. I am not sure whether it fails outright, or whether it defaults to spe

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: > > { > > The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) > part of em, in addition to emself. Rules to the contrary > notwithstanding, a perso

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9046-9048

2023-12-17 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-12-17 at 13:05 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Recommendation: As you suggested on Discord, have the Assessor > explicitly announce the things being attested. Then submit a new > proposal to fix the rule bug. I'm not convinced that actually works – it seems more lik

DIS: Re: BUS: Yes we can lift

2023-11-26 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-11-26 at 16:52 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 11/26/23 16:52, Agora amdw42 via agora-business wrote: > > I, Ben, push the boulder > > This fails, as you are not a player. You need to register first, e.g. by > sending "I register as a player" to agora-business. This

(@Promotor) DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 9032-9034

2023-11-23 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 03:26 +, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > I vote as follows: > > > 9033*   4st, Janet, nix, snail  3.0   It's been 4 years, Agora. 4 > > YEARS. > AGAINST. I will explain why to a-d. So there was a minor mistake in the recent dictatorship scam attempt, which I pointed o

Re: DIS: Proto: A new economy

2023-11-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 03:57 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 11/19/23 03:55, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > > Fwiw I don't mind incentivizing change nor more blots. If what it takes to > > win becomes being a super goodie two shoes so be it > > The last time we incentivi

DIS: Proto: A new economy

2023-11-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
Here are some thoughts about a new economy that I've been thinking about. These would ideally work in tandem with existing subgames / other subgames that other players might propose / other economies that other players might propose, rather than being a replacement. This is just a sketch, so it do

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) cleaning

2023-11-17 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-11-17 at 16:21 -0800, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > I intend to clean rule 2480 ("Festivals") by replacing > "grater" with "greater". For the intent to work, you need to specify the mechanism, e.g. "I intend without objection to clean…" -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly report: Arrivals and Departures

2023-11-09 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 20:22 -0800, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > if it helps, I think the following groups constitute the same person > (not player): Several of these (most of these?) are wrong – they are mixing up natural persons and legal constructs. For example, the AFO was an artifici

Re: DIS: Poll on email address obfuscation on reports

2023-11-06 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-11-06 at 12:43 -0300, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Hello y'all, > > Here are some questions for you: > > - Do you want your address to be obfuscated? > - Do you want every address to be obfuscated? > - Do you want the obfuscation to be uniform? > - Do you think each player shou

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9020-9026

2023-11-05 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-11-05 at 15:42 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > 9026~   Janet, Kate 1.5   It's a bit dark in here > endorse Herald The office of Herald is vacant; you may want to add a default for if there is no Herald when the proposal is resolved. (For what it's worth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9011-9019

2023-10-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-10-20 at 17:18 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > This seems about the same as changing a rule by saying "Add the following > sentence: Things are a currency. Things are tracked by the Thinger." Which > would fail to do anything because "any ambiguity" is present (I thin

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9011-9019

2023-10-20 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-10-20 at 16:37 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I deny this CoE. The proposals were not submitted. You said "I submit the > following 3 proposals" and proceeded to list 4 proposals, so the action was > not clearly and unambiguously specified as required for by-announceme

Re: DIS: Re: (@Notary) Re: BUS: A promise for a promise, a stamp for a stamp

2023-10-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2023-10-11 at 15:31 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 10/11/23 15:30, Kiako via agora-business wrote: > > On 10/11/2023 2:29 PM, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I transfer one kiako stamp to ais523. > > > > > > > I grant kiako the following promise: > > > > {{{ > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stone Actions - 27 Aug 2023 [attn. Stonemason, Collector]

2023-08-27 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 20:01 +0100, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > On 27/08/2023 19:59, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > > On 27/08/2023 19:57, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > > Oops. This reach fails, I already got the Hot Potato Stone last week. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4034 Assigned to ais523

2023-06-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-06-04 at 17:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 5:04 PM ais523 via agora-business > wrote: > > It's also worth noting that G. explicitly stated in eir message that e > > consented to the Rice Plan – the subsequent withdrawal was sent in the > > s

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 14:18 -0300, Juan F. Meleiro via agora-business wrote: > I create the following proposal, entitled “Game Theory”: > > { > Create a Power 1.0 rule called “The Button” with text: This isn't really game theory, but "who has the most reliable Internet connection / is best at bei

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald) Keeping up with the Agorans

2023-05-25 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-25 at 17:00 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > As annoying as it is, it seems perfectly legal to do, to me. > > I create and submit the following Proposal: > > Title: Go Home, You're Drunk > AI: 3 > Author: Yachay > Co-Authors: None > // Comment: This is a hotfix

Re: DIS: (Proto) Raybots

2023-05-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-05-21 at 13:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 1:01 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > We've had artificial persons in the past, and they ceased to exist with > > no real issues. That predated Promises, which

Re: DIS: (Proto) Raybots

2023-05-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 23:43 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Actually, in general persons ceasing to exist is likely to cause > problems, and the current ruleset is careful to avoid it (R869/51's "is > or ever was"; you remain an Agoran person after you die). > > I'm not sure there'

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Stonemason/@Assessor) SABOTAGE!

2023-05-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-05-21 at 10:50 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I change my vote on 8983 to ABSENT, or PRESENT if I cannot change my > vote to something invalid. The wording you want is "I withdraw my vote on 8983" or "I retract my vote on 8983" (these are synonyms). To "change a vo

Re: DIS: Re: (@CotC, Yachay) BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4030 Assigned to Yachay

2023-05-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-05-21 at 19:43 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh, I just finished writing/posting my Judgement when I saw this. I don't > think it's essential for the case and I'd rather not bite more than I can > chew for my CfJ. It felt very difficult as it is. > > You could

DIS: Re: (@Collector, Herald) BUS: The Never-Ending Dance

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 11:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:25 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > I'd like to thank ais523 for the 4pocalypse where everyone has 44 points. > > > As such, if the 4pocalypse is real, I intend to, with Agoran Consent, > > > gra

DIS: Re: (@Collector, Herald) BUS: The Never-Ending Dance

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 11:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:25 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > I'd like to thank ais523 for the 4pocalypse where everyone has 44 points. > > > As such, if the 4pocalypse is real, I intend to, with Agoran Consent, > > > gra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I sometimes feel like half my arguing at Agora is dedicated to trying > > to persuade people not to repeal the economy. > &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > discussion  wrote: > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8971

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 00:01 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > It doesn't do anything. It has insufficient power to create blots. Ah right, AI 1 but it needs 1.7 (rule 2555). So I agree with you, false alarm. Assuming that the author didn't intentionally set the AI incorrectly, thoug

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8971

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 23:09 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: > The full text of each ADOPTED proposal is included below: > [snip] > > Grant each player that did not vote FOR this proposal 2 blots. Whoever decided to propose this immediately before several new players joined (with timin

DIS: (Proto) Raybots

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
Here's an idea I had as a way to a) shake things up in a way that's likely to lead to lots of interesting CFJs for the next few months (I came up with it after reading the CFJ archives for cases that looked interesting), and b) let us experiment with mechanisms for awarding Radiance that don't need

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > -- > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster > > Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p A portion of that was the result of scams, and scams

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:49 -0500, blob via agora-discussion wrote: > I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than > willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the > past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others > in t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at t

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking.  I'll also > note that Jane

Re: DIS: [Proto] Clarifying Intentions

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:48 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Any feedback on the below before I submit it? The example should be introduced with "for example" not "For example" (the capitalisation is wrong for mid-sentence). Other than that, it makes sense. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a > "specific meaning" for registration as well as for other contexts, so > beokirby registered exactly as per the rules: > > > An Unregistered person CAN (

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2023-05-17 at 19:13 -0500, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > > blob. Thank you! > > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting beca

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Surveyor) Commune entry

2023-05-16 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-05-16 at 19:28 -0400, Katie Davenport via agora-business wrote: > I intend to: > > Enter the current tournament of Commune as a participant. > > Set my (Left, Middle, Right) constructors to construct (7, B, D), > respectively. > > Invest in Olive. This is a little ambiguous, becau

DIS: Re: BUS: on invisbilitating

2023-05-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 06:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > Further it is clear from the text itself that it was intended > that this definition be "hidden" and continue to provide definitional > guidance (that's unique afaik when thinking of other old gamestate): It can't provid

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 4023 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 00:55 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Sorry, I meant practical for the purposes of applying  "*Any* ambiguity in > the specification of a rule change causes that change to be void and > without effect." > > Of course, this compromise-based definition of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 4023 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 22:04 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'd really just need to prove once that one singular point in the mechanism > is ambiguous, to any degree, to add "any ambiguity". It would help to > define "ambiguous" as "capable of being understood in two or more p

Re: DIS: [Draft Proposal] You can't just call points radiance and not have them do

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 16:39 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/8/23 05:33, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > > A player CAN, by paying a fee of 5 brights, turn a specified rule > > Radiant. > > A radiant rule CANNOT be repealed. The player that turned a rule > > Radian

Re: DIS: [Draft Proposal] You can't just call points radiance and not have them do

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 04:33 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > [I hope you like this idea! Please let me know your thoughts, especially > about the Bright Abilities. This system could easily be added to, with > alternate ways to gain radiance! Or if someone comes up with one really >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 13:55 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > my current thoughts are along the lines of "add Radiance for > participation actions like proposing / officiating / judging / even > voting And to clarify: by this I mean voting *at all*, not specifically for

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