Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:51 PM Tuesday 4/5/2005, Doug Pensinger wrote: Dan wrote: I realize that a president neither you nor I voted for is in office. But, I believe in standards that are superior to Dan likes or Doug likes. Besides Bush's actions are not your druthers, what basis can you use to say we've gone

Re: Charles Stross Attains Posthuman Status

2005-04-06 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:12:46 -0600, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the April 1st edition of Locus Online: http://www.locusmag.com/2005/Features/0401_Stross.html I thought Stross passed the Singularity years ago, maybe around when A Colder War was published... MD

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately. Aside from trying to get back issues of Sojourners (which I am not going to attempt this year), what would you suggest of his? I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly

Re: Gun Free Household sticker

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:43 PM Tuesday 4/5/2005, Doug Pensinger wrote: I take it you don't like snakes? My mother was unable to even look at a picture of a snake, probably as a result of being bitten by a water moccasin when she was quite small. Anyone who's had a bad encounter with a

Re: Gun Free Household sticker

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:31:53 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote I like little snakes. I don't trust big snakes. Must *every* conversation eventually turn to politics? ;-) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/tech/google-satellite-maps-42009.html Google Feature Incorporates Satellite Maps 04/05/05 9:23 AM PT The satellite maps could unnerve some people, even as the technology impresses others. That's because the Keyhole technology is designed to provide close-up

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable request for suggestions, and she gets an insult instead. Dave No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't insulting her. I do think his version of God's Politics might as well be titled My Politics,

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to my message amounting to an intrusion for no good reason, how do you figure? Was yours less so? Should we just sit quietly by when you demean the subjects of our conversations? Dave Recounting the facts from my perspective: Julia mentioned Jim

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote The fact that he's justifying bad ideas using the Bible doesn't make them less bad - Fact? According to whom? although it does say something is very wrong with the Democratic Party that they're swallowing this guy's stuff

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Erik Reuter
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are treated here, so why should today be any different? Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dave Land
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: * Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are treated here, so why should today be any different? Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well. What? Did someone say something? Dave

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote My worry is that when you speak to the values [you] hold you're just asserting something. Since you root all of these in religion, I root all my values in religion? On this list? Does it really seem that way from out there?

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: * Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are treated here, so why should today be any different? Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very

More recognition for Wes

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
Wes' dad just called me to say that the U.S. House will recognize him (probably) this afternoon around 4-5:30 following a vote. I'm about to look for a House Internet video feed... anybody know if there is such a thing? (No cable tv at the Arnett residence.) Tomorrow, sometime soon after the

Re: More recognition for Wes

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Wes' dad just called me to say that the U.S. House will recognize him (probably) this afternoon around 4-5:30 following a vote. I'm about to look for a House Internet video feed... anybody know if there is such a thing? (No cable tv at the Arnett

Re: Gun Free Household sticker

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:31:53 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote I like little snakes. I don't trust big snakes. Must *every* conversation eventually turn to politics? ;-) I could come up with something long and convoluted that had something to do with St. Patrick and end up with

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Correction: I interpreted your statement completely correctly: it was most definitely an insult: Take for example, you're a doofus. That was an example of something that was most definitely an insult. What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoughts

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken literally; and where he was being literal, he is taken

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects. I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and far beyond religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts is on

Re: Babble theory, and comments

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 5, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:34:44 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote And if cutting veteran benefits is just a bargaining chip to take away from social services elsewhere, as many think, it's a lousy, rotten cynical move, playing politics with people who put their

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
Friends, For what it may be worth, I don't think that calling someone a stunningly unimpresive (sic) figure is an insult, as such. I took it as a statement of Gautam's true experience of the man. Gautam was stunned by how unimpressed he was with Jim Wallis, is how I heard it. No big deal,

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:23:16 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoughts on someone who isn't likely to read it. Certainly a big difference from the above. It looked like political criticism to me, and I would hazard most people would agree. Good heavens, we

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in the chaos, and since a lot of the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in

Re: Babble theory, and comments

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:38:14 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote The monk smiled. Don't worry about that. Only be aware of the urge. Good story! Sometimes I'm convinced that spiritual growth, maturity, call it what you want, are other names for increased self-awareness. The best questions I ask

Weekly Chat Reminder

2005-04-06 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Re: Lost: the TV series

2005-04-06 Thread William T Goodall
Has been renewed for another season, as has Alias. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

Re: Babble theory, and comments

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:38:14 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote The monk smiled. Don't worry about that. Only be aware of the urge. Good story! :D Wasn't mine, though. It's an old Buddhist tale. Sometimes I'm convinced that spiritual growth, maturity, call

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They've taught me a great deal that helps me resist my natural tendency to criticize. I suspect that you are as aware as anyone of that trait in me, so what do you think? Is this a good thing at the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Martin Lewis
On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he does. One could argue that it seems like a big part of the environmental movement as well, for example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example? Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they were - they were

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who dislikes that word intensely :P Which word? Probably Missing Something Obvious Maru --Ronn! :) I was wondering that as well. My guess is cosmetic.

Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons

2005-04-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most snipped ... [you] manage to blame the Bush Administration for one of Clinton's Top 5 failures as President [N Korea going nuclear] (we can quibble about whether or not having his Cabinet lie for him and commit perjury or whether standing on the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The party with the best record of serving Republican economic values

2005-04-06 Thread Gary Denton
Washington Post Democratic Superiority, by the Numbers By Michael Kinsley Sunday, April 3, 2005; Page B07 It was the TV talker Chris Matthews, I believe, who first labeled Democrats and Republicans the Mommy Party and the Daddy Party. Archaic as these stereotypes may be, they do capture general

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Nick

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:34 PM Except, of course, that's not true. http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html Nice smear though. Oh, I just found an

Re: Kiln People review

2005-04-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted: After a decade spent exploring his Uplift Saga (with brief detours for The Postman and his contribution to the Second Foundation prequel trilogy, Foundation's Triumph), David Brin has written another stellar entry in original, thought-provoking

Re: The party with the best record of serving Republican economic values

2005-04-06 Thread JOHN GIORGIS
I wonder if Michael Kinsley is writing a thank you note to Phil Gramm today? JDG - Just wondering Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Brin:Launch Vehicle SpaceDev Streaker

2005-04-06 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05r.html SpaceDev has signed a lease to expand its fabrication and test facilities and to begin constructing portable, high tech rocket motor test support equipment in anticipation of test firing new rocket motors that SpaceDev is developing for its

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Martin Lewis
On Apr 6, 2005 9:34 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he does. One could argue that it seems like a big part of the environmental movement as well, for example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example? Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they were - they

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Martin Lewis
On Apr 6, 2005 10:00 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except, of course, that's not true. http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html Nice smear though. Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it http://www.cis.org.au/policy/Spring01/polspr01-1.pdf An

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: New Pope? On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pffft. Developing implies

[Listref] New EPA Mercury Regs Challenged

2005-04-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Below this article is a Washington Post one (less bias-speak, but still notes that localized hot-spots - with potential severe health effects - can occur under the Bush EPA rule). http://www.state.nj.us/dep/newsrel/2005/05_0019.htm March 15, 2005 New Jersey Attorney General Peter Harvey and

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/1677073.stm What are you trying to suggest? That Africans are incapable of making informed decsisions? No, they are not incapable of making informed decisions...it's just that, like everyone else, they can be influenced by false statements and be

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
Arrg, idea not finished. No, they are not incapable of making informed decisions...it's just that, like everyone else, they can be influenced by false statements and be pressured. Are you arguing that that the precipitous drop in DDT use in Third World countries after pressure was applied

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) On Apr 6, 2005 10:00 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia Thompson

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed feelings about John Paul II's tenure. He certainly was a major factor in the liberation of Eastern Europe, I agree with the church's stance on the death penalty and I applauded him for opposing the current debacle in Iraq. On the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it http://www.cis.org.au/policy/Spring01/polspr01-1.pdf IMHO, Martin, the evidence given in this report looks pretty good. But, of course, if you see problems with this report, I'm open to seeing

Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what will future folk say about Darfour in Sudan and the Bush admin? For one. Debbi LIA: Darkoor Province And The Cardassians Maru They'll say the Bush Administration did much more than anyone else, against the _opposition_ of Our European

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except, of course, that's not true. http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html Nice smear though. Martin And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The environmental movement has (and, in fact, continues to) push for a worldwide ban

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
http://www.nice-tits.org/ I feel cheated... Damon :P Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C

Brin appearance

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
Internet Fear Factor: Privacy vs. Anonymity, a San Diego MIT Enterprise Forum Special Event Wednesday April 6, 5:28 pm ET - San Diego MIT Enterprise Forum Debates Issues of Privacy and Your Personal Data Vulnerability in the Internet Age - April 20th 2005 - More:

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:48 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Dan Minette wrote: I guess what really struck me was how Bush was criticized for going the UN route in Sudan and not going it in Iraq. On a practical basis, I could see the criticism...but it seemed to me that your argument wasn't a nuts and bolts argument about

Thread convergence

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's body is visible to _satellites from space_, _snaking_ through the streets . . . --Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Woobs (was: T!ts (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:28 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee. I thought that since the remark came with a title change she meant Tits. Cookie for you! I still think of tits as various birds (titmouse, greater tit, woodtit etc.), I was wondering what

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest reason bald eagles are endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so drastically that many embryos never survived to full development. Is that a sufficient reason? Well, first, no, it's

Re: The party with the best record of serving Republican economic values

2005-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
--Reading Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind before watching the DVD later this month. Sweet! If I was still employed I would've bought the DVD by now... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:19:34 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote Not meant as an insult toward anyone here, but it has been my observation that many who object to the war in Iraq have as their basic principle that Bush is evil. Yuck, may I say. The battle for good and evil is not out there

RE: Thread convergence

2005-04-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Thread convergence Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:33:32 -0500 According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's body is visible to

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote If Iraq does end up as a stable democracy - and the odds of that are higher than they have ever been in all of Iraqi history - are you going to come back and admit that those evil neoconservatives destroyed one of the vilest

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:07 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:19:34 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote Not meant as an insult toward anyone here, but it has been my observation that many who object to the war in Iraq have as their basic principle that Bush is evil. Yuck, may I say. The

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Travis Edmunds wrote: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/tech/google-satellite-maps-42009.html Google Feature Incorporates Satellite Maps 04/05/05 9:23 AM PT The satellite maps could unnerve some people, even as the technology impresses others. That's because the Keyhole technology is designed to

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable request for suggestions, and she gets an insult instead. Dave No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't insulting her. I do think his version of God's Politics might as well be titled

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Is it reflected in a statistically significant decline in immigration rates? I've read recently that it was, in fact, but I don't have a cite. It was an article about how fewere professionals and students were electing to come here. -- Doug

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:29 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: 1) rant Google maps doesn't have my street. My street didn't exist in 1998. It existed in 2000. Google is way behind the curve on this one. Yahoo has my street, but has one of the streets leading up to it mislabelled. Mapquest will map

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) I'd love to see a reasoned, civil discussion on the question. Will

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote If

U.S. citizens will be required to show a passport to re-enter the United States from Canada, Mexico, Panama, Bermuda and the Caribbean

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Passport needed for U.S. borders By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY WASHINGTON ­ U.S. citizens will be required to show a passport to re-enter the United States from Canada, Mexico, Panama, Bermuda and the Caribbean by 2008, the departments of State and Homeland Security announced Tuesday. Find this

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Damon Agretto wrote: http://www.nice-tits.org/ I feel cheated... You were. There were not nearly enough pictures of tits on that site. G xponent Titular Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/6/2005 12:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they were - they were _Concerned_ about the environment - without really giving up anything, because malaria had already been wiped out in their countries,

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest reason bald eagles are endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so drastically that many embryos never survived to full development. Is that a sufficient reason?

Re: Thread convergence

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Thread convergence Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:33:32 -0500 According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: As to your assumptions about my motives (seems meant only to be a poor attempt to make me look...), we're all fond of Julie, but that had nothing to do with my joining the fray. All fond? That's very flattering. I'm not sure it's entirely accurate, but I'm flattered by the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote As for criticism, I don't object to helpful criticism. But I don't think that's the spirit of most criticism from the left these days, or more generally, of most of the criticism in mass media these days. And

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly unimpresive

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Julia Thompson wrote: 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to call them bad. I think a debate on the merits and demerits of Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my having to darken the doors of Barnes Noble, or add to the giant sucking

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:29 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: 1) rant Google maps doesn't have my street. My street didn't exist in 1998. It existed in 2000. Google is way behind the curve on this one. Yahoo has my street, but has one of the streets leading up to it

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: http://www.nice-tits.org/ I feel cheated... You were. There were not nearly enough pictures of tits on that site. G xponent Titular Maru rob Did you check out the shops? Some of those items are tempting Julia

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: New Pope? On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pffft.

Re: Thread convergence

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's body is visible to _satellites from space_, _snaking_ through the streets . . . Yes, but are there any small birds involved? Or are they related closely enough to the snakes to be covered under that topic?

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: http://www.nice-tits.org/ I feel cheated... You were. There were not nearly enough pictures of tits on that site. G xponent Titular Maru rob Did you check out the shops? Some of those items are tempting I

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to call them bad. I think a debate on the merits and demerits of Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my having to darken the doors of Barnes Noble, or add to

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: New Pope? Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to call them bad. I think a debate on the merits and demerits of Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my having to darken the doors

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: there is no empirical evidence for human rights. Holding truths to be self-evident indicates that the founding fathers believed this too. It makes sense, because that understanding was very much a part of the enlightenment. I think many people would

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Russell Chapman
Julia Thompson wrote: if I'm to believe all the comments of people who have gone to every Burning Man event since at least 2001. (And the resolution available for right there is a lot better than for the nearest real town, or so I've been told.) That's because the geeks operating the

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I googled and read some of his interviews and quotes from the past year. This is not meant to be insulting Gautam, but he appears to hold _your_ position on a number of issues. Clearly, not on the Iraq war, but even on the question of pacifism and

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:25 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:29 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: 1) rant Google maps doesn't have my street. My street didn't exist in 1998. It existed in 2000. Google is way behind the curve on this one. Yahoo has my

Re: Thread convergence

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:32 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's body is visible to _satellites from space_, _snaking_ through the streets . . . Yes, but are there any small birds involved? Or are they related closely

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:33 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to call them bad. I think a debate on the merits and demerits of Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:44 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: I can always hope, can't I? :) Julia I was thinking much the same thing before I went to http://www.nice-tits.org/ Was I wrong for that? G xponent Libido'R'Us Maru rob From all I hear, finding the other type

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: there is no empirical evidence for human rights. I'll bet a nickle you could prove that human rights provide a more successful strategy than the lack therof. Any study that showed that well treated, contented people were more productive than ill treated malcontents would do it. --

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent democracy in Iraq? Functionally, yes. Are you saying that war is the only way to get rid of an evil dictator? Or war was the only way to get rid of this one? Am I mistaken in believing that

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: By the way, Pedro looked good in his first start for the mets. Yes, he looked excellent. Let's just hope that he's rehabbed his shoulder properly. Hey, hey, hey, how about that Kirk Saarloos one hitting your Orioles tonight! Thank goodness for baseball season. Go A's! -- Doug

Re: Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Russell Chapman wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: if I'm to believe all the comments of people who have gone to every Burning Man event since at least 2001. (And the resolution available for right there is a lot better than for the nearest real town, or so I've been told.) That's because the geeks

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) Haven't read the book - nothing I saw about him suggested even

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Pedro looked good in his first start for the mets. Yes, he looked excellent. Let's just hope that he's rehabbed his shoulder properly. Just for the record, I'm not happy about this. I hate the Mets. Nothing personal, just the 1986

Is Supernatural Real?

2005-04-06 Thread Alan Ackley
I suppose it depends some on how the words are defined, but; If it happens, it’s real. If it’s real, it must be natural. There can’t be anything beyond the boundary of “it happens” except for “it can’t happen” or “it doesn’t happen”. Starting with that sort of definition, there is no

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, hey, hey, how about that Kirk Saarloos one hitting your Orioles tonight! Thank goodness for baseball season. Go A's! -- Doug Gee, thanks Doug (:-)), I didn't know that until I read it on list :-( This is my first day reading the list

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