Re: Food Wars

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it

What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Nick Arnett
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in making it harder to use. The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere. My wife, who was forced into this particular torture

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? . . . ronn! :) ___

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in making it harder to use. The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere.

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? The one that really gets me is razor blades. Does

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Lewis
On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you suggesting everyone has cable already so it is

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Max Battcher
Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in making it harder to use. The most bizarre thing is that I cannot find the Help menu anywhere. My wife, who was forced into

RE: Food Wars

2008-04-24 Thread Pat Mathews
If you go to the Powell's website, you'll find a blurb for a book which described in detail how the author's family lived on potatoes and bland, processed (or packaged) products scavenged... during one spell of poverty. Enjoy them, mashed, fried, and mixed with onions.

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Dave Land
On Apr 24, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: The whole point of using drop-down menus in a GUI is to be table to slide the cursor across them and immediately see what's available. Somebody in Redmond apparently thought they were

RE: An interesting response

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
Reality check. Coal power is about 0.04 cents / kWh I'm in the solar biz. The reality is: Orbital stations are operational for 100% of the time. Earthbound stations are operational at most 50% of the time (because of the day/night cycle). But orbital stations cost a LOT more to get going. This

RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? The one that really gets me is razor blades. Does anyone really need 5 blades vibrated by a small motor to shave? Is the new Gillette FusionPower Phenom with 5 blades and onboard

RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
It _is_ an improvement, if you give it a chance. Where over the years the Menus became nearly non-sensical containers of cruft (what was the difference between the old Edit menu and Tools or Insert? schnipp I'm a software engineer, and I hate the new ribbon interface -- yet it's pervasive:

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Lance A. Brown
Curtis Burisch wrote: This kinda backfired, where I'm from. Sensor II razor was so popular they were forced to continue selling the blades ever after. I'm on a 15 year old razor, buying a blade every 2 months. The modern innovations do not impress. I give gilette like around a dollar a month,

RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
Yah well I'm as I said an IT pro, so the beardy look doesn't quite cut it. Much as I'd love to live on pemmican in the appalacians for the rest of my life, things just aren't that simple. So go figure. Clean shaven gets me a nearly US-equivalent salary in a third-world country, and I'm not about

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Max Battcher
Curtis Burisch wrote: It _is_ an improvement, if you give it a chance. Where over the years the Menus became nearly non-sensical containers of cruft (what was the difference between the old Edit menu and Tools or Insert? schnipp I'm a software engineer, and I hate the new ribbon

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread William T Goodall
On 24 Apr 2008, at 19:31, Curtis Burisch wrote: Yah well I'm as I said an IT pro, so the beardy look doesn't quite cut it. Much as I'd love to live on pemmican in the appalacians for the rest of my life, things just aren't that simple. So go figure. Clean shaven gets me a nearly

RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
So, KR and frikkin Ken Thompson FTW. So? Is there a point forthcoming?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:08 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: What were they

Food Wars

2008-04-24 Thread jon louis mann
If you go to the Powell's website, you'll find a blurb for a book which described in detail how the author's family lived on potatoes and bland, processed (or packaged) products scavenged... during one spell of poverty. Enjoy them, mashed, fried, and mixed with onions.

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: Curtis Burisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:24 AM Subject: RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007) Gillete's dictum : give away the razors, charge the hell out of 'em

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:08 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: Vi is easier than this. ;) If only because nobody makes money from vi, it hasn't been fscked- around with over the years. If you

RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:24 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Curtis Burisch wrote: Gillete's dictum : give away the razors, charge the hell out of 'em for the blades. Copied by Lexmark (among others). . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Lance A. Brown
I've had my beard longer than I've had my professional career and a software applications developer and then sysadmin. My and my moderately fuzzy chin do just fine professionally. :-) -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:05 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, Nick Arnett wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? The

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:33 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, you wrote: On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Dave Land
On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? The one that really gets me is razor blades. Does anyone really need 5 blades vibrated by a small motor to shave? Is the

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:33 AM Thursday 4/24/2008, you wrote: On 4/24/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? Digital TV, frex? Isn't digital TV an entirely new product? Or are you

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread John Garcia
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? The one that really gets me is razor blades.

What were they thinking?

2008-04-24 Thread jon louis mann
This reminds me of two multi-bladed-razor bits of comedy: The first is a commercial by Philips for their Coolskin 2005 electric, which begins with a fake ad for Quintippio with 15 blades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV42I26tx2s The second is an Onion piece, F*** Everything, We're Doing

Re: Food Wars

2008-04-24 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months) about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising

Re: What were they thinking?

2008-04-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, jon louis mann wrote: This reminds me of two multi-bladed-razor bits of comedy: The first is a commercial by Philips for their Coolskin 2005 electric, which begins with a fake ad for Quintippio with 15 blades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV42I26tx2s The second

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in making it harder to use. And you don't even have to handle the mistranslations of the commands. The idiots that translated

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:18 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote: What else is like this... endless upgrades to convince people that their perfectly good old product is obsolete? The one that really gets me is razor blades. Does anyone really

What? Were they thinking?

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
(Subject line corrected to more accurately fit the corporate/government mindset.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Bryon Daly
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have succeeded in making it harder to use. I can't find it now, but IIRC Penny Arcade's Tycho wrote saying that he found the new Office interface so beautiful he

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. I'm talking about people like Nick's little old lady, whom (I'm guessing) does not have cable (If not her specifically, there are millions like her who don't.) and who has to sometime in the next 9.5 months

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change in UI from Office 2003 and costs less. AndrewC ___

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 24 Apr 2008 at 11:37, Max Battcher wrote: * The PDF Exporter (Save As PDF) for Office 2007 is a free download: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4D951911-3E7E-4AE6-B059-A2E79ED87041displaylang=en (Adobe blocked it from the out of box install, which to me is a

Re: Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

2008-04-24 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 22 Apr 2008 at 8:38, Nick Arnett wrote: As David Brin observed in The Transparent Society, research has shown that self-righteous people are high on endorphins. And romantic love is biochemically indistinguishable from severe obsessive-compulsive disorder. Andrew Dawn Falcon

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Max Battcher
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change in UI from Office 2003 and costs less. ...and does half as much.

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 24 Apr 2008 at 20:18, Max Battcher wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change in UI from Office 2003

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Max Battcher
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 24 Apr 2008 at 20:18, Max Battcher wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: On 24 Apr 2008 at 8:05, Nick Arnett wrote: So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of what I'd suggest upgrading further to Open Office, it's less of a change in UI

Re: An interesting response

2008-04-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/04/2008, at 4:19 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Reality check. I'm a proponent of earthbound CPV systems, and am actively seeking investment in my particular design. I know this industry inside and out, and can tell you straight out that orbital power gen systems will simply not fly,

Re: An interesting response

2008-04-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Charlie Bell wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 4:19 AM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Reality check. I'm a proponent of earthbound CPV systems, and am actively seeking investment in my particular design. I know this industry inside and out, and can tell you straight out that orbital

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread David Hobby
Max Battcher wrote: ... YMMV, but for me there I get a huge dissonance from OO.org and many of the things that I rely on in Office simply cannot be found. Not to start a flame war, but I could probably name a bunch of little pet ... Max-- It may well be a matter of what features one is

Re: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)

2008-04-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:14 PM Thursday 4/24/2008, David Hobby wrote: Max Battcher wrote: ... YMMV, but for me there I get a huge dissonance from OO.org and many of the things that I rely on in Office simply cannot be found. Not to start a flame war, but I could probably name a bunch of little pet ... Max--

Food Wars

2008-04-24 Thread jon louis mann
Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months) about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising obscenely, despite the fact that we are net exporters of food. It's a blessing that 1st world countries put so

rotary v. micro-screen

2008-04-24 Thread jon louis mann
I gave up on razors 17 years ago -- the last time I used one, I cut a lovely little gash in my ankle the night before a job interview. :P Julia i use a rotary norelco when in a hurry, and when its power pack gives up the ghost, i buy the newest latest model. cheaper than repair and i get

Re: rotary v. micro-screen

2008-04-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, jon louis mann wrote: I gave up on razors 17 years ago -- the last time I used one, I cut a lovely little gash in my ankle the night before a job interview. :P Julia i use a rotary norelco when in a hurry, and when its power pack gives up the ghost, i buy the

rotary v. micro-screen

2008-04-24 Thread jon louis mann
My pits get stinky a lot less quickly if I shave them, and if I'm going to run around bare-legged a lot, some folks find it more appealing if they're shaved. (I shave my legs only for other people, I shave my pits for myself.) Julia and thank you for that, being american i have been

RE: An interesting response

2008-04-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
Coal power is about 0.04 cents / kWh Whoops. That was supposed to be 4 cents / kWh. I also neglected to mention the following stats that may be of interest: Power in earth orbit: 1300 W/m^2 Power at earth surface: 1000 W/m^2 Regards, Curtis. ___

Re: rotary v. micro-screen

2008-04-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, jon louis mann wrote: My pits get stinky a lot less quickly if I shave them, and if I'm going to run around bare-legged a lot, some folks find it more appealing if they're shaved. (I shave my legs only for other people, I shave my pits for myself.) Julia and

Re: Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

2008-04-24 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the school district is not allowing religion to be an excuse for inappropriate teaching. Um. *blink* I'm talking about the school kids and parents supporting the teacher's bad (and, um, probably criminal)

Re: Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

2008-04-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/04/2008, at 2:46 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: Sounds like the school district is not allowing religion to be an excuse for inappropriate teaching. Um. *blink* I'm talking about the school kids and parents supporting the teacher's bad (and, um, probably criminal) behaviour. Point