Re: religious/political question

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:18 PM 1/19/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: >So should we consider mouth / intestinal bacteria to have human rights >because they have unique and individual genetic codes different from the >host? I only assign human rights to organisms classified in homo sapiens. JDG

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-20 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:18:05 -0600 > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PRO

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:18 PM 1/19/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: >So should we consider mouth / intestinal bacteria to have human rights >because they have unique and individual genetic codes different from the >host? I only assign human rights to organisms classified in homo sapiens. JDG

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-19 Thread The Fool
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:58 AM 11/1/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: > >Bullshit. I ask again: Why should anyone consider a parasitic lump of > >undifferentiated cells any differently from a cancer? > > Because cancers are of the hosts genetic code, and because children ar

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:43 PM 10/30/2003 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: > More important > than strength and intelligence in the character of an American > presidential candidate is humility. Whatever one thinks of > President George W Bush, he cultivates the same sort of folksy > image that served former p

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:58 AM 11/1/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: >Bullshit. I ask again: Why should anyone consider a parasitic lump of >undifferentiated cells any differently from a cancer? Because cancers are of the hosts genetic code, and because children are of a unique and individual genetic code. For someone w

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:21 AM 11/1/2003 -0600 The Anonymous Fool wrote: >The only thing you've proven is that you don't answer questions. Indeed. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-12-04 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Chad Cooper wrote: > > Forbes Rating of Worst Commutes to work: > Greater Los Angeles > San Fran > Dallas/Fort Worth > Houston > Washington D.C. > Denver > > Nerd From Hell > We're number one! We're number one! We'renumberone! Yay! I've known people who leave home (in San Bernardino, whe

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-14 Thread ritu
Dan Minette wrote: > It may also be worthwhile to know what the nature of these > Indian Muslims > who spoke out was. If they were people who Ritu happened to > know, it would > be as anecdotal as Erik suggested. These weren't people I knew on a personal basis. These were people I saw on the

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
ritu wrote: Well, Al Qaeda has been exhorting its members to reach Iraq and attack the US forces for months now. The borders are porous enough, so it is only a question of how obedient the cadres are. If the US had found a few barrels of anthrax or some signs of an active nuclear program or anyth

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:40:57 +, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ritu wrote: I have always found that a bit strange as India has the second largest muslim population in the world - only Indonesia has more muslims than India. India probably has the second largest in the world of eve

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:40:57 + Ritu wrote: > > I have always found that a bit &g

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ritu wrote: > > I have always found that a bit > strange as India has the second largest muslim population in the world - > only Indonesia has more muslims than India. > India probably has the second largest in the world of everything: religious group, ethnic group, consumer of a product, any profe

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0530, ri

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:01:42 +0530 Erik Reuter wrote: &g

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread ritu
Erik Reuter wrote: > Maybe an India-based entrepreneur should start a polling organization. We have some - it's just that their questions are focused on subcontinental, national and local politics and issues. Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:51:20PM +0530, ritu wrote: > And unlike Pakistan, Indian muslims just don't seem to be included in > the international polls on the subject. I have always found that a bit > strange as India has the second largest muslim population in the world > - only Indonesia has mor

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread ritu
Erik Reuter wrote: > A little. But I don't put a high value on such anecdotal evidence. A > poll of at least 1000 of those people (randomly selected across a > diverse range of backgrounds) asking how favorably they view OBL would > be more convincing. I don't think their support[or lack thereof

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0530, ritu wrote: > Not that phenomenal...hmm, how about this: 'In the aftermath of 9/11, > a large number of Indian muslims spoke out against the atrocity. In > fact, only a few of the 120 million Indian muslims spoke in favour of > OBL and they were condemned/

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-12 Thread ritu
Erik Reuter wrote: > > I remember most of the 120 million muslims of my country > speaking out > > against the atrocity. > > You must have a phenomenal memory! I can only remember 120 people on a > good day, let alone 120 MILLION! *g* Not that phenomenal...hmm, how about this: 'In the afterm

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-12 Thread William T Goodall
On 12 Nov 2003, at 8:22 pm, Horn, John wrote: From: Horn, John It seems to me that if there were a major terrorist attack (or natural disaster or whatever) at Mecca during the haij you could find a fair number of Bubba's in pickups who would be dancing in the streets and shooting their shotguns i

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-12 Thread Horn, John
> From: Horn, John > > It seems to me that if there were a major terrorist attack > (or natural disaster or whatever) at Mecca during the haij > you could find a fair number of Bubba's in pickups who would > be dancing in the streets and shooting their shotguns in the > air throughout the US.

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-12 Thread Horn, John
> From: ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Second, _the support is already there_. People in > > Muslim countries all over the world celebrated on > > September 11th. I've seen the videotape, and so have > > most other people. > > Sure the support is already there but it isn't as widespread

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:12:42AM +0530, ritu wrote: > I remember most of the 120 million muslims of my country speaking out > against the atrocity. You must have a phenomenal memory! I can only remember 120 people on a good day, let alone 120 MILLION! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.n

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread ritu
John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 09:16 AM 11/10/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: > >Yes. More importantly, if we had done it properly, external > (to Iraq) > >support for the terrorists would be minimized. As it is > (and as I stated > >before) we've created access for anti Americans throughout

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I find most amazing is that all you opponents > of the war talked about > how hard it would be to rebuild Iraq before the war, > and many proponents of > the war agreed - but argued that it would be harder > for America to leave > Saddam Hus

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > Because that seems to be normal group dynamics: > > Isolate a group, treat > > them with constant suspicion and act as if they are > > all potential > > terrorists and sooner, rather than later, there is a > > ground swell of > > support, within the same group, for the e

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:25:07 -0500 At 03:57 PM 11/11/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >As I said earlier, I wish more organizations would > be so outspoken, whether > >their members feel that way or not. They have a > responsibility to speak out > >against those who pervert their ideals, you know? > > No, I do not know, actually

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:57 PM 11/11/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >She may very well be right, yet I found no evidence of any official >statement condemning violence against anyone except unborn children anywhere >on their very comprehensive website. What's curious to me is that since >(afaik) the NRLC is _the_

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:36:19 -0500 At 01:31 PM 11/11/2003 -0500 Jon Ga

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 11 Nov 2003 at 12:45, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 08:18 PM 11/9/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: > >The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we > >did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, > > I am sure that if *NATO* had authorized the attack on

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:31 PM 11/11/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >>From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political questio

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:26:18 -0500 At 03:30 PM 11/9/2003 +0530 ritu wrot

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:18 PM 11/9/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, >without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, I am sure that if *NATO* had authorized the attack on Iraq, everything would be hunky-dory in Fallujah and else

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:30 PM 11/9/2003 +0530 ritu wrote: >Gautam, how many religio-political groups condemn their own >lunatics/extremists loudly, clearly and constantly? For that matter, how >many political organisations/groups do that? Pro-Lifers in the United States would be one example of a religio-political g

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:16 AM 11/10/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >Yes. More importantly, if we had done it properly, external (to Iraq) >support for the terrorists would be minimized. As it is (and as I stated >before) we've created access for anti Americans throughout the world to >attack us. Do you reall

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:45 AM 11/9/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Episcopalians aren't launching suicide bombing campaigns. No, they're too busy fighting amongst themselves about the gay bishop. The Anglican Church became the first major Christian denomination to

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question > > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dan Minette

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: > But, that's not where we are. As far as I can tell from the opinion > polls and other reports, the opinion of the US held by the people of > Iraq is souring. We are being seen less as liberators and more as > foreign occupiers. While the idea that peo

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in > > the manner we did, > > without the support of the UN or even all of our > > NATO allies, and with > > little evidence that Hussain was involved

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question > > Do you really think that anyone in Iraq c

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:14:15 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, and with little evidence that Huss

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in > the manner we did, > without the support of the UN or even all of our > NATO allies, and with > little evidence that Hussain was involved in > terrorist attacks against the > West (and of course

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-10 Thread ritu
Andrew Crystall wrote: > I'd point you to certain elements within Israel's current government. > To some extent, they've been digging their own holes... > > Ah well. Let's just say my thoughs on the current Isralie situation > do NOT make me popular. So did you approve of what Moshe Ya'alom sa

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Nov 2003 at 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yet. I wouldn't put it beyond a fanatic to do something unfortunate. > > (Remember a certain chap called Rabin? I do...) > > > > There was also Baruch Goldstein in 1994, I'm ashamed to say. > > The difference is, most Jews worldwide were agha

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: The problem is very different in Iraq, thankfully. The Ba'athists almost certainly have no popular support, very much unlike the IRA. The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, and with

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to have the US look at Britain's handling > of the IRA problem and > note what worked and what didn't, and use that to > help the US avoid making > mistakes that don't have to be made. > > Julia What worked: Very little What didn't:

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Andrew Crystall wrote: > On 9 Nov 2003 at 9:11, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > Our responsibility is to stop being enablers. Since > > September 11th of 2001, the US and its allies have > > taken up that responsibility. It's time for the rest > > of the world to do the same.

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread TomFODW
> Yet. I wouldn't put it beyond a fanatic to do something unfortunate. > (Remember a certain chap called Rabin? I do...) > There was also Baruch Goldstein in 1994, I'm ashamed to say. The difference is, most Jews worldwide were aghast at both. With a few despicable exceptions, there was hardly

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
>Robert Chassell posted: > An article in Asia Times Online http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EJ28Aa02.html This article presents some thought-provoking viewpoints on America's founding and upon religion-in-government, particularly as it appears to reflect the [Asian? Muslim? non-Western?

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Nov 2003 at 8:40, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > I don't think the Methodists are launching suicide > > bombing campaigns, and > > they're not fighting with each other to the point > > that it's making i

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Nov 2003 at 9:11, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Second, _the support is already there_. People in > Muslim countries all over the world celebrated on > September 11th. I've seen the videotape, and so have > most other people. Opinion polls suggest that in much > of the Islamic world, Osama Bin L

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Because that seems to be normal group dynamics: > Isolate a group, treat > them with constant suspicion and act as if they are > all potential > terrorists and sooner, rather than later, there is a > ground swell of > support, within the

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread ritu
Dan Minette wrote: > > Gautam, how many religio-political groups condemn their own > > lunatics/extremists loudly, clearly and constantly? For > that matter, how > > many political organisations/groups do that? > > >From my perspective, its the norm over here. I remember the > pope routinely

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > I don't think the Methodists are launching suicide > bombing campaigns, and > they're not fighting with each other to the point > that it's making it into > my paper. That might be a better example for yo

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Episcopalians aren't launching suicide bombing campaigns. No, they're too busy fighting amongst themselves about the gay bishop. I don't think the Methodists are launching suicide bombing campaigns, and they're not fighting with each other to the p

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:00 AM Subject: RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question > > Gautam, how many religio-politica

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-09 Thread ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, I digress. From where I sit, his view does > > seem to be the view > > of a vast silent majority of muslims. The worrisome > > thing, though, is > > that relentless pressure, suspicion, demonisation > > and heckling to prove

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question) > > > O

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-08 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:42 AM > Subject: Re

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question) > The only times I've been

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-08 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Last time any female member of my family was on the > > Boston subway after > > dark, someone pointed a gun at her. So I'm a little > > less enthusiastic > > about after-hours use of the Boston subwa

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, I digress. From where I sit, his view does > seem to be the view > of a vast silent majority of muslims. The worrisome > thing, though, is > that relentless pressure, suspicion, demonisation > and heckling to prove > their humanitarian credentials could

RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-05 Thread ritu
Deborah Harrell wrote: > While I _understand_ why Boykin* has done so, I > strongly disagree with him; all who cast this "war on > terror" in a religious frame invoke Crusade on the > western (which Boykin has equated to 'fundamentalist > Christian') front, and jihad on the Muslim. That is a > r

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 4 Nov 2003, at 3:04 am, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > working very hard on "tact" for a number of years now -- how'm I doing? > > I think you may have confused "tact" with "tactile" on some occasions :) :D Thanks for the smile this morning -

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 04:04 PM 11/2/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > >On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > > > > At 10:50 AM 11/2/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > > > > > >[...] if a certain friend of mine > > > >had gotten pregnant (and she

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-04 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:32 PM 11/3/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: I wrote: >Someone else said once in the same newsgroup "Of course, since >JMS is an atheist, he doesn't believe in hell, anyway." >jms' reply was "Says you. I'm FROM New Jersey" Jim replied: Now, why does everyone have to crack on New Jersey? Ther

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-04 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:17 PM 11/3/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:44:04 + On 2 Nov 2003,

RE: Taking it all off (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread ritu
Reggie Bautista wrote: > To (probably mis-)quote an episode of Buffy the Vampire > Slayer, did anyone > else just go to a really scary visual place? Sorry, no. :) I have no idea what Jim looks like but a g-string on a string of letters isn't scary at all. :) Ritu

Re: subtlety Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:22 PM 11/3/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Jon Gabriel wrote: > And here I was thinking that subtlety isn't my strong suit. One day, a number of years ago, my sister told me that I wasn't very good at being subtle. "You think I'm blunt." "I wouldn't put it *that* way.

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:04 PM 11/2/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 10:50 AM 11/2/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > >[...] if a certain friend of mine > >had gotten pregnant (and she was doing everything she could to prevent > >it) > > > > Why do I get the impre

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread William T Goodall
D]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:44:04 + On 2 Nov 2003, at 4:54 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Nov 2003, at 9:38 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: The Fool wrote: So when andrew crystal starts building concentrati

subtlety Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Jon Gabriel wrote: > And here I was thinking that subtlety isn't my strong suit. One day, a number of years ago, my sister told me that I wasn't very good at being subtle. "You think I'm blunt." "I wouldn't put it *that* way." "But *I* would." After that, I figured I ou

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:42:51 + On 3 Nov 2003, at 7:17 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: William

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] > > [He overstates his case here, as most > > Christians consider Jesus 'given for the sake of > >the world' and I think there is a Jewish concept of > >'being a light unto the world' also.] > > There is a core Jewish concept of the people Israel > being ca

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 3 Nov 2003, at 7:17 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >> From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAI

Re: Taking it all off (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote: > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > >Question: > > >Why do people on this list so frequently show their ass? > > Jim replied: > >I do it because I'm an attention whore. > > > >Well, that and I like the feeling of dollar bills sliding into my g-string. > > T

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Nov 2003, at 7:17 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:44:04 + On 2 Nov 2003,

Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread TomFODW
> [He overstates his case here, as most > Christians consider Jesus 'given for the sake of the > world' and I think there is a Jewish concept of 'being > a light unto the world' also.] > There is a core Jewish concept of the people Israel being called upon by God to be "or l'goyim" ("a light unt

[L3] RE: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
> ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Robert J. Chassell wrote: > > > Is the theological-political connection right? Is > it fair to say that > > many people do wish to behave with the same > qualities as their God? > > If so, and if the qualities are as stated, does > this predefine the > > att

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Crystall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: religious/political question > On 3 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Robert Seeberger wrote: > &g

Re: Taking it all off (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Jim Sharkey
Reggie Bautista wrote: >Robert Seeberger wrote: >>>Why do people on this list so frequently show their ass? >>Jim replied: >>I do it because I'm an attention whore. >> >>Well, that and I like the feeling of dollar bills sliding into my >>g-string. > >To (probably mis-)quote an episode of Buffy th

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Jim Sharkey
Jon Gabriel wrote: >As Jim so wisely said, the arrogant, condescending attitude you're >adopting isn't likely to win you any support. Actually, that was Julia, but I do share the sentiment. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most person

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 3 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Jon Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: religious/political question > > >

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Jon Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: religious/political question > If you seriously think we should be grateful to you both for insulting the > inte

RE: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forbes Rating of Worst Commutes to work: > Greater Los Angeles > San Fran > Dallas/Fort Worth > Houston > Washington D.C. > Denver I saw this the other day...hard to believe that we're worse than New York or Boston, but I can vouch for Dallas bei

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julia Thompson wrote: > > >[...] if a certain friend of mine > >had gotten pregnant (and she was doing everything > she could to prevent it) > > Why do I get the impression that "everything she > could do" did not include celibacy? > > Just Wonde

RE: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Reggie Bautista > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 01:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question) > >> Then

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: >Someone else said once in the same newsgroup "Of course, since >JMS is an atheist, he doesn't believe in hell, anyway." >jms' reply was "Says you. I'm FROM New Jersey" Jim replied: Now, why does everyone have to crack on New Jersey? There aren't that many areas in the world where you a

Re: Taking it all off (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
Robert Seeberger wrote: >Question: >Why do people on this list so frequently show their ass? Jim replied: I do it because I'm an attention whore. Well, that and I like the feeling of dollar bills sliding into my g-string. To (probably mis-)quote an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, did anyone e

RE: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-03 Thread Chad Cooper
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question) > > > > If you want to spend hours commuting to and

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:44:04 + On 2 Nov 2003, at 4:54 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 2

Re: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 2 Nov 2003, at 4:54 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Nov 2003, at 9:38 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: The Fool wrote: So when andrew crystal starts building concentration camps and death camps, for atheists, freethinkers, and rationalists Considering tha

RE: religious/political question

2003-11-03 Thread ritu
Julia Thompson wrote: > :) > > 1) Yes, it would be nice if Saddam Hussein and Osama bin > Laden died of > cancer, the world would be better off. Don't mean to be a kill-joy but the world would be better off only to the extent of two nasty characters ceasing to exist. From all accounts, OBL's

RE: religious/political question

2003-11-02 Thread ritu
Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Perhaps people on the list can help: is the following a fair > description of the nature of the Jewish/Christian God, and how it is > different from the nature of the Moslem God? > > And if so, are the fundamental political implications as described? > Are more Moslem

RE: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-02 Thread Horn, John
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! > U...Donuts. Is there nothing they can't do? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-02 Thread Horn, John
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > but the whole thing of not being *allowed* to pump your own > gas bugged us. > > Me too! My first time I got yelled at for trying (there were no signs > telling me!) Imagine coming from New Jersey to another state. The first time I went driving

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-02 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You pinko you. You know that mass transit is the > second step on the road > to communism. :-) > > Dan M. Hey, the fact that I like it doesn't make it good public policy :-) The question of whether it is or not is open to debate. I _don't know_. T

Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question)

2003-11-02 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: New Jersey (was Re: religious/political question) > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROT

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