i REALLY dont get why people have such problems with this.
its gamesmanship. and look where it got brazil! a LOSS.
the only reason there was enough time for the USA to score
was due to the fake ass fall of the player Erika i think, and when
the ref (Who was a fucktard most of the game) saw her
If pretending to get hurt to draw a penalty is 'part of the
game'...that is not a game I wish to partake in, or even spend my time
watching.
Most times I have seen someone 'take a dive', the ref does nothing but
call a penalty - while the player who was just writhing in pain on the
field gets up
idk, i love it. to me, its all part of the game. sport isnt just the bat and
the ball, or the foot and the ball, its mental, its being crafty, its
pushing lines,
its subject referee's and umpires and their subjective calls. and if
im smarter or
slicker than the eyes of the official... more
Could you not say its 'crafty' for a golfer to try and improve their
lie? Are you OK with cheating under those circumstances? Or is it only
when its considered 'part of the game' to roll around like a pansy
hoping to get a penalty called on your opponent?
I know it happens in other sports
golf is sacred. that's why. it is built upon integrity, and laws of the game.
nothing about it is subjective or left to interpretation. so yeah, no.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you not say its 'crafty' for a golfer to try and improve their
So, why is it OK to cheat in soccer, but not golf? Do soccer players
have less integrity than golfers?
I do not buy 'taking a dive' is a 'part of the game' any more than I
buy that trying to cheat the rules is a part of any other sport or
game.
To me, there is no difference between a soccer
golf is an individual, playing against thyself and the course. hoping
that your score bests everyone elses.
soccer is a team sport, where you try to do everything you can to help
your team win.
idk, i play, have played both, and see a ton of distinction betwixt the two
and have no problem
So, it Ok to cheat if it helps your team, but not if it only helps you? :D
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
golf is an individual, playing against thyself and the course. hoping
that your score bests everyone elses.
soccer is a team sport, where you
What if it is a team golf match (Ryder Cup, Collegate championship,
etc) - is it OK to cheat then?
If your team wins a soccer (or baseball, or basketball, etc) game
because you cheated, isn't that also helping you?
I don't really see the distinction - whether individual sport or team
sport,
yup ;)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
So, it Ok to cheat if it helps your team, but not if it only helps you? :D
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
golf is an individual, playing against thyself and the course.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
It was a pretty solid goal to be sure. Nothing to really write home though,
pretty standard fare.
Puhleeze.
I think you are missing the point, Medic. It's not just the goal itself, but
when and how and in what context it
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
What if it is a team golf match (Ryder Cup, Collegate championship,
etc) - is it OK to cheat then?
never ok in golf.
If your team wins a soccer (or baseball, or basketball, etc) game
because you cheated, isn't that also
Take it out of the context of cheering for your country and it becomes just
another goal squeaked in before the end of full time. Happens weekly.
It may mean more to you being an American, but for the rest of the world
it's just a routine header.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, G Money
the whole game was amazing for the team and our country... capped off
@ the end with the great pass/header.
the officiating was horrific, the re-kick of the penalty goal was a
joke, she never left the line, and in the end
the team that played the best won. add a little karma for the redic
hurt
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Take it out of the context of cheering for your country and it becomes just
another goal squeaked in before the end of full time. Happens weekly.
It may mean more to you being an American, but for the rest of the world
it's
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
the whole game was amazing for the team and our country... capped off
@ the end with the great pass/header.
the officiating was horrific, the re-kick of the penalty goal was a
joke, she never left the line,
No, she
yeah, i saw that, but you can see the ref looking at, or referring to
hope, not that other girl
encroaching, or at least from what i saw... either way, GREAT GAME!
fascinating ending
and that game made a new fan of this womens world cup out of my gf.
win win win!
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:32
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
What if it is a team golf match (Ryder Cup, Collegate championship,
etc) - is it OK to cheat then?
never ok in golf.
Why is golf different than
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you are missing the point, Medic. It's not just the goal itself,
but
when and how and in what context it occurred. Baseball players hit home
runs
all the time, but Bobby Thompson hit one in 1950 that will never be
In a game that's so widespread it's completely logical that different areas
of the world play the game differently. People that generally don't follow
football characterize it based actions of the minority. It's like saying you
wouldn't watch baseball because it's all juice heads. Or won't watch
A routine, 122 minute, header
I don't see what 122 minutes has anything to do with it. But watch a half
dozen Man U games in a season and you'll see your fair share of 94th minute
goals.
on a full pitch cross
Um... a full pitch cross would mean it went out the other side. You mean
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Casey Dougall
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Boby Who?
I'll pretend you didn't say that...
We have a new stat - Derek Jeter hits a home run for his 3,000 hit, and the
first Yankee to hit 3,000.
Only the second player in history to hit a home
Based on the games I have watched - pretty much limited to the World
Cup - 'taking a dive' seems more prevalent than..you know.. actually
scoring a goal. If it happens a lot in the World Cup, I do not think
its unreasonable to think it happens as often in other levels of play.
I understand that
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
A routine, 122 minute, header
I don't see what 122 minutes has anything to do with it. But watch a half
dozen Man U games in a season and you'll see your fair share of 94th minute
goals.
becaus that is the CONTEXT i'm
Really? It seems more prevalent than scoring? It sounds to me like you've
got your mind made up and won't be convinced otherwise.
Going to ground after a foul and diving are two different things. Selling
the foul is part of the game (and not isolated to football). EVERY team does
that. Team USA
What's the matter? No politics to talk about?
.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Really? It seems more prevalent than scoring? It sounds to me like you've
got your mind made up and won't be convinced otherwise.
Going to ground after a foul and diving are
I absolutely hate this aspect of football.
It has gotten a LOT worse over the last two world cups to the point
where it completely ruins the pace of the game.
The so called Stars are the worst offenders.
I look at football, and that goal by the US Women's team was
impressive. More so because of
No and thank goodness! Let's keep this 'argument' going lol ^_^
On 11 July 2011 12:30, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
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becaus that is the CONTEXT i'm talking about...
Well that makes one of us.
Then you obviously don't understand context. Have you ever played a sport in
your life?
Three times a week. Guess which one.
Context of the moment matters when determining greatness of a moment, and
if you don't
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Really? It seems more prevalent than scoring? It sounds to me like you've
got your mind made up and won't be convinced otherwise.
Yep. In most games I have watched, I have seen more 'dives' than goals.
Going to ground after
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
No and thank goodness! Let's keep this 'argument' going lol ^_^
On 11 July 2011 12:30, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the matter? No politics to talk about?
I've faked a lot of hits (trips) in Lacrosse, this also
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. I guess we're having different discussions then. You want to discuss
the warm fuzzy and good story that comes from a last minute goal, I'm
discussing the goal itself. And your comparison to a home run is invalid. A
home
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
I do know that. Still doesn't change the fact that it's a routine goal. You
sensationalizing it is kind of typical though. You do love a good story.
I guess this is just 'another home run'?
I did NOT need to relive that Pats/Giants moment, thankyouverymuch.
Going to go slit my wrists.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
I do know that. Still doesn't change the fact that it's
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. I guess we're having different discussions then. You want to discuss
the warm fuzzy and good story that comes from a last minute goal, I'm
discussing the goal itself. And your comparison to a home run is invalid. A
home
Sorry about that (no I am not) :D
How about this:
Just another 67 yd TD run, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIP0FS1EV8feature=related
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Ray Champagne r...@raychampagne.com wrote:
I did NOT need to relive that Pats/Giants moment, thankyouverymuch.
Just another goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSfl8vFNZdE
Just another jump shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-iq58_oz4
ShallI go on?
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I think the argument has morphed from the original post. I'm not the only
one who described it as standard fare. I thought we were discussing whether
this was a great goal. Sinclair's goal from the free, O'Reilly's goal,
Marta's goal... all gorgeous. This may have been a great moment in US
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the argument has morphed from the original post. I'm not the only
one who described it as standard fare. I thought we were discussing whether
this was a great goal. Sinclair's goal from the free, O'Reilly's goal,
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
This may have been a great moment in US
women's world cup history, but it's not a particularly pretty goal.
Our women's team is always exceptional, it's the men's team that sucks!
The Women hardly loose and have the best
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Sinclair's goal from the free, O'Reilly's goal,
Marta's goal... all gorgeous.
What makes them 'gorgeous'? Aren't they just hitting the ball across
the opposing team's goal line, like every other goal?
I do not buy your
Please point me to where I said context didn't matter. Perhaps I'll just bow
out and you can have this conversation with yourself as it seems you are
bound, bent and determined to dictate my argument for me.
Again, I will say, that it may be a great moment in US women's world cup
history, but
marta's goal was gorgeous, for sure!
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the argument has morphed from the original post. I'm not the only
one who described it as standard fare. I thought we were discussing whether
this was a great goal. Sinclair's goal
What makes them 'gorgeous'?
Watch them and that question becomes rhetorical.
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You are right, a 3 inch tap in to win the Masters would not be a great putt.
Now, let's talk about the shot that put the ball 3 inches from the
hole on the 18th hole, on a Sunday afternoon, at Augusta..to win the
Masters.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Please
Um. Ok. Now you're losing me.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
You are right, a 3 inch tap in to win the Masters would not be a great
putt.
Now, let's talk about the shot that put the ball 3 inches from the
hole on the 18th hole, on a Sunday
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Um. Ok. Now you're losing me.
The 3 inch putt to win the Masters may not be spectacular, but I bet
the shot that got the ball 3 inches from the hole, to win the Masters,
would be pretty special.
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Please point me to where I said context didn't matter. Perhaps I'll just
bow
out and you can have this conversation with yourself as it seems you are
bound, bent and determined to dictate my argument for me.
Again, I will
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Your entire argument seems to suggest that context does not matter, since
you are calling this just another header goal.
So if context matters, why don't you consider this goal a bit more than just
a standard header
Then watching football is most definitely never going to be a satisfying
endeavour for you.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
I see players hitting the ball over the opposing team's gaol line.
Just like every other goal I have seen.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011
I still don't follow. So you're agreeing that the finish was pretty
standard, but adding that the cross put in was spectacular?
Here's the thing, just about every commentary I've seen on the goal all
pretty much say the same thing, that the goal was pretty standard. Timely to
be sure, but
Context matters AND it's a pretty standard goal. No either/or. It's both.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Please point me to where I said context didn't matter. Perhaps I'll just
bow
I see players hitting the ball over the opposing team's gaol line.
Just like every other goal I have seen.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
What makes them 'gorgeous'?
Watch them and that question becomes rhetorical.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Context matters AND it's a pretty standard goal. No either/or. It's both.
Weird.
You must be fun to watch sports with:
No, Mr. Michaels, I do not believe in miracleswhat else is on?
No, my entire argument (if you can call it that) was based on Scott saying
(paraphrase) that if all goals were as good as this one, and there were more
of them, he'd watch football. I said that if his interest is in pretty goals
he should watch some of the highlight shows as this was a pretty
There you go. More concerned with the story than the actual sport.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Context matters AND it's a pretty standard goal. No either/or. It's both.
Weird.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
No, my entire argument (if you can call it that) was based on Scott saying
(paraphrase) that if all goals were as good as this one, and there were
more
of them, he'd watch football.
I didn't catch scott saying that. Doesn't
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
There you go. More concerned with the story than the actual sport.
Yes, actually, in a way. If a story or an event can transcend the
sport.that's impressive to me. I mean, why be a sports fan if you can't
appreciate the
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:49 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
My argument to that is simply that if you watch more football
you'll likely feel the same way.
I already feel that. I've already watched enough football to
I didn't catch scott saying that.
He's the one that started this thread with:
If they could do this 10-15 times each game, I would actually watch
soccer on a regular basis.
Simply incredible.
I already explained that my fascination was because of the situation,
NOT the team
Sorry...I was simply trying to apply your 'a home run is just a home
run' logic to a soccer goal. In the end, all they did was hit the ball
in the goal. How they did it is merely part of the context.
And now you can probably understand how ridiculous I think it is to
hear you say, 'A home
i know that the announcer said, and i felt the same.. that this was
one of the most dramatic and awesome (not his words)
womens world cup games and he also said, maybe even most dramatic and
intense, of all world cup matches he had seen.
so yeah, it was darn impressive, and pretty spectacular
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
The fact it's America, and you're American, is what makes it so significant.
On the flip side, could it also be that you are not American, and this
was an American team that makes it so insignificant?
*grasps at straws*
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Fair enough then. I retract my opinion that your fervor over this was
nationalism.
It's ok...like i said, i'm used to it...and don't mind it. Americans can
bea predictable bunch :)
Now theni've conceded your point,
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:14 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you ready to concede my point that a quarterfinal world cup match that
comes down to penalty kicks because of a well executed goal in the 122nd
minute by a
Sure. I never debated that point so it's easy for me to concede it.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:14 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Fair enough then. I retract my opinion that your fervor over this was
nationalism.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure. I never debated that point so it's easy for me to concede it.
Well...you DID say it would be quickly forgotten by everyone except American
soccer fans :)
...and I think it will. ;)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure. I never debated that point so it's easy for me to concede it.
Well...you DID say it would be quickly forgotten by
I've already forgotten it...what the hell were we talking about?
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
...and I think it will. ;)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com
Boobies!
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
I've already forgotten it...what the hell were we talking about?
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
...and I think it will. ;)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, G Money
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
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On Jul 11, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
Boobies!
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
I've already forgotten it...what the hell were
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tony Weeg tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
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Lets not get carried away..some were not...umm...full enough... to
actually 'bounce'
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Tony Weeg tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
Hope Solo.
yum.
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l..l
not
l(.)(.)l
:)
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tony Weeg tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
Sent from my iPhone...
dlish
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Tony Weeg tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
Hope Solo.
yum.
alex morgan
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On Jul 11, 2011, at 4:55 PM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Tony Weeg tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah!
boobies!!!
there were 44 bouncing around the pitch!!
Hope Solo.
yum.
If they could do this 10-15 times each game, I would actually watch
soccer on a regular basis.
Simply incredible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DOq0IhVork
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Mm. Yeah that was a great goal :-)
It was a fantastic cross. Truly memorable.
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It was a pretty solid goal to be sure. Nothing to really write home though,
pretty standard fare. If your main interest is pretty goals then maybe you
should start your acquaintance with football via the Sunday evening re-cap
shows that briefly discuss all the matches and show the best bits.
Decent goal, but look at Darlington Nagbe from the Timbers earlier
this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naoSiNRQ1w
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
If they could do this 10-15 times each game, I would actually watch
soccer on a regular basis.
'decent', 'solid', whatever...I stand by my commentary, do that 10-15
times per game and I am hooked.
BTW - I can barely tolerate to watch soccer even when my kids are
playing - oh, yea, and starting in the fall, I am the coach for my
younger son's team...again. :D
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:03
Don't forget to teach them how to dive properly.
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On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
'decent', 'solid', whatever...I stand by my commentary, do that 10-15
times per game and I am hooked.
BTW - I can barely tolerate to
Grrr! Don't get me started.
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