Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-06 Thread dana tierney
Ah. Had done a seach on my mail and not found it. Wouldn't mind looking at those links when you get the chance. It seems to be one of the accuracy questions re the movie. Dana On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:50:41 -0700, William H Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually on this list, MD did > > 6/29

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-06 Thread Angel Stewart
Haven't checked into this in detail yet, but this sounds like a valid Moore-ism ;-) -Gel -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/ Leave aside the tenuous six-degrees-of-separation nature of this “connection.” The mai

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-06 Thread Sam Morris
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/ Moore derives the $1.4 billion figure from journalist Craig Unger’s book, “House of Bush, House of Saud.” Nearly 90 percent of that amount, $1.18 billion, comes from just one source: contracts in the early to mid-1990’s that the Saudi Arabian governme

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-06 Thread William H Bowen
Actually on this list, MD did 6/29 "Why are we not talking about the $1.4 billion in personal income Bush and his coalition of the cronies receive annually from the saudis, " And I've seen it other places and will provide links when I have some more time... :-)    dana tierney wrote: > sorry

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-03 Thread dana tierney
anonymous." Dana - Original Message - From: William H Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:02:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> point of clarification. I saw the film last night and was viewing it with a particularly ke

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-03 Thread dana tierney
ct: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Entertainment. I've always enjoyed baiting his sort. larry On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:28:51 -0400, loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who is this guy and why are you people still dealing with him? > > I thought you cou

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
> pay for bandwidth for? > > Tim > >   -Original Message- >   From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:56 PM >   To: CF-Community >   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > >   You are an asshole! > >   How was that? &g

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread loathe
-Community   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy   You are an asshole!   How was that?   -sm   --- Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   > Does anyone else read this and think it was   > translated into English by something like Babelfish?   > Or was auto-generated by an Eliza-type progra

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread dana tierney
well, *this* thread sure went downhill since I left it last night :) But hey, Harry Potter was great :) Dana - Original Message - From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread dana tierney
wait, why are we asking moore? were't you quoting him to prove he was anti-Israel? Wouldn't that make asking him if he is kind of an exercise in circularity? Dana - Original Message - From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subjec

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Sam Morris
Thank you and have a nice holiday! -sm --- Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clear. Concise. Obviously well-informed. > > Much, much better. > > Jerry Johnson > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
Perhaps you would like to be an asshole . > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -sm > &

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
Do you sometimes wish you were an asshole  ? > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
Does it please you to believe I am an asshole  ? > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PSYCOLOGIAL PROBLEMS? > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You know that's very brave of you to admit your shortcomings. On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -sm > > --- Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone else read this and think it was > > tr

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
Clear. Concise. Obviously well-informed. Much, much better. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/04 03:55PM >>> You are an asshole! How was that? -sm --- Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone else read this and think it was > translated into English by something like Bab

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread William H Bowen
Uh-oh, killfile... > You are an asshole! > > How was that? > > -sm > stinks like a fart in a phonebooth, extra concentrated... -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." -- Carrie Fisher [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Sam Morris
You are an asshole! How was that? -sm --- Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone else read this and think it was > translated into English by something like Babelfish? > Or was auto-generated by an Eliza-type program? > > Just curious, > Jerry Johnson > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
Does anyone else read this and think it was translated into English by something like Babelfish? Or was auto-generated by an Eliza-type program? Just curious, Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/04 02:52PM >>> Did somebody mention the brown shirts in the other thread? And he's anti-Israel

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Sam Morris
--- Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam Morris wrote: > > Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> How many times do I have to ask before you will > explain what > >> "anti-Israel" means? I must say I am quite > disappointed by your > >> current way "to suggest thing

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Sam Morris wrote: > Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> How many times do I have to ask before you will explain what >> "anti-Israel" means? I must say I am quite disappointed by your >> current way "to suggest things but not actually prove anything >> just plant the thought in y

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-01 Thread Howie Hamlin
  Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy   uh...because of the international dateline it wouldn't it have been the   8th in Japan?   > It was December 6 Japan time...   --   will   "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;   and that would just be unacceptable."   -- Carrie

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-07-01 Thread William H Bowen
uh...because of the international dateline it wouldn't it have been the 8th in Japan? > It was December 6 Japan time... -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." -- Carrie Fisher [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Howie Hamlin
It was December 6 Japan time...   - Original Message -   From: loathe   To: CF-Community   Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:22 PM   Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy   I actually though dec 7, and for some reason wrote 6.  Weird.   Tim     -Original Message-     From: Maureen

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread loathe
I actually though dec 7, and for some reason wrote 6.  Weird. Tim   -Original Message-   From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:19 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy   FYI: Pearl Harbor was 12/7 not 6/7.   The willingness of the

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Maureen
FYI: Pearl Harbor was 12/7 not 6/7. The willingness of the nation to follow our leaders to war was greatly eroded in Vietnam, and has been all but eliminated by the Bush administrations misdirection on Iraq. Fighting terrorists in Afghanistan has plenty of support. Iraq is a different story.  

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread loathe
esday, June 30, 2004 10:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy   Do you mean D-Day?   Regardless its good to hear from you Tim. We did miss you at CFUN04.   As for Afghanistan, it was very much a justifiable war. Its a damn   pity though that Bush decided to get distracted with Iraq an

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread dana tierney
maybe they think that we ended 25 years of tyranny only to replace it with our own brand of oppression. Please note that I am speculating about their mindset not mine. Dana > > > Depends on the objective. > If they're fighting for the freedoms and rights of > their fellow citizens than they are

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Sam Morris
--- Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many times do I have to ask before you will > explain what > "anti-Israel" means? I must say I am quite > disappointed by your > current way "to suggest things but not actually > prove anything > just plant the thought in your mind". > > Jo

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread William H Bowen
point of clarification. I saw the film last night and was viewing it with a particularly keen eye and ear. One thing I noticed is that the "1.4 billion per year" is not what Moore said. He said The Bush family, their friends...have taken $1.4 billion over the last 30 years. and make no mistak

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Marwan Saidi
That invasion was undertaken with worldwide (for the most part) support. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:40 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy whats the difference? corrupt leaders? oppression? unequal rights for

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Tony Weeg
ls to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy Tony, I assume this is a troll, but... >>> [EMAIL PROTE

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
Tony, I assume this is a troll, but... >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/30/04 11:39AM >>> you cant plan around psychotic religiously driven maniacs...you just cant, you adapt and overcome, the best you can, and you move on. Are you truly saying Saddam was/is a religiously driven maniac? If so, you reall

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Tony Weeg
perfection as arrogance anonymous -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:30 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy Tim, I personally don't have a problem with us going into Afganistan. It seems the world didn

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Marlon Moyer
riginal Message----- >   From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:44 PM >   To: CF-Community >   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > >   I've missed this entire thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. Moore's >   'film'

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
t; lost more people on 9/11 than we did on 6/7 (if you don't know the date, > look it up). > SPC Timothy Heald > Javelin Gunner > B co 3-116th Infantry(Light) > >   -Original Message- >   From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread loathe
t know the date, look it up). SPC Timothy Heald Javelin Gunner B co 3-116th Infantry(Light)   -Original Message-   From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:44 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy   I've missed this entire thread

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Also the US only outscored Mexico when asked in which country the Taliban and Al Queda once controlled. Only about 58% answered correctly. Even Mexico got significantly better results than the US. And we're thoroughly mired in the country. As I said real scary. larry On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:00:23

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Marlon Moyer
Ok, so all the hospitals are operating.  That doesn't validate your earlier statement that we've built more hospitals for them than they've had in the past 25 years. On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/rayreynolds

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The really scary part is that almost 1/3rd couldn't find the Pacific. here are some other results. and the neo-cons want the US to become an empire. Hell according to these results American students cannot even find their own butt using both hands. larry • nearly 30 percent of those surveyed c

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The simple reason is that by creating a seige atmosphere and an Us-against Them attitude, the Republican party is hoping to retain power. Goering during his Nuremburg trial in 1946 said it best:   "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of    the leaders.  That is easy.

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-30 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Sam Morris wrote: > >>> Which by the way is the question you still haven't answered. Are >>> people fighting against a foreign force occupying their country by >> definition terrorists? >> > > Depends on the objective. That is a no. > If theyæ± e fighting for the freedoms and rights of > their

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Sam Morris
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/rayreynolds.htm All of the hospitals operating-Truth! Because of disrepair and looting, it took a lot of work to get hospitals back up to speed but according to James Haverman, the Coalition Provisional Authority Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Maureen
At 03:44 PM 6/29/04, Michael wrote: >This is not a movie, not a documentary, it's straight up media >manipulation. But that's what Moore's been doing for a bit of time >now. Have you seen F9/11? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Marlon Moyer
Are you getting your arguments from those e-mails that get circulated about how much we've done in Iraq because that sounds just like a bullet point in one of them.  If that's the case, this site may be of interest to you. http://www.orwelliantimes.com/2004/04/26.html     * 100% of the hospitals

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Sam Morris
--- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > :) I'd be interested in your take on this too, Sam. OK, since you asked so nicely :) > >Which by the way is the question you still haven't > answered. Are > people fighting against a foreign force occupying > their country by > definition terrorists

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
Actually, Moore is wrong when he says that 60% of Americans can't find Great Britain on a map. It's 69%. http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q21162363 or http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1126_021120_TVGeoRoperSurvey.html The source for this number is the National Geographic Society, wh

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
Moore's previous work though, as I have not seen it. > > Dana > > > > - Original Message - > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:44:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PR

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
:) I'd be interested in your take on this too, Sam. >Which by the way is the question you still haven't answered. Are people fighting against a foreign force occupying their country by definition terrorists? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
- From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:04:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Based on past threads, I don't see many people saying Bush is great. In this particular thread, we're dealing with M

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
I have not seen it. Dana - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:44:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've missed this entire thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. Moore'

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
a job many of them find morally difficult. - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should have known that you posted that one :) Regards, Howie   --

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Based on past threads, I don't see many people saying Bush is great. In this particular thread, we're dealing with Moore, to whom truth is something to be manipulated. Have we talked about Bush and his Saudi relationship in the past? Yes. Have we talked about the BS of the terror alert system used

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Sam Morris wrote: > --- Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> Sam Morris wrote: >>> How many Europeans traveled outside Europe? >> >> I have to think very hard to come up with more then >> a handfull of names of people I know that have not >> been outside Europe. > > I can say the same for Americans. And h

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Sam Morris wrote: > But they're not rising up. It's the Sadam loyalist and > Al Queda that's rising up. Look at the date he wrote that: 2004-04-16. Who were rising up then? That was the militia from the cleric Sadr. Could you please make a slightly credible case for him being a Sadam loyalist (he

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Howie Hamlin
I should have known that you posted that one :) Regards, Howie   - Original Message -   From: dana tierney   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:39 PM   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy   yes! I posted in earlier, saying it was "an editorial I agree with.&quo

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I've missed this entire thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. Moore's 'film' is straight up propaganda designed to manipulate the facts to where he wants them to be. Doesn't matter that you come away not knowing where he wants you to be. Point is, he presents things out of context to make them seem wh

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not sure if this was linked to but it makes for interesting reading... http://www.opednews.com/wade_062604_blocking_fahrenheit_911.htm Howie [Todays Threads] [This Message]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Howie Hamlin
Not sure if this was linked to but it makes for interesting reading... http://www.opednews.com/wade_062604_blocking_fahrenheit_911.htm Howie [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Haggerty
I got that list from Umberto Eco's essay "Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt". It is an exegisis of the fascist movement of the 20th century by a respected academic, and it seems to apply to most of what you have to say. I can quote more from other authors, but this is the s

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
OK, I see it. Never heard of this newspaper though. Did it come along after I left DC? How is its reporting? I guess this is one of those discrepancies that will just need to be followed to see if it is ever resolved before everyone's eye's cross and glaze over. Other news stories are saying the b

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Marwan Saidi
PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy Yo! O's-Mounting-Moore, what the hell are you talking about? You're like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth biting at my ancles. Get off me you stupid mutt! --- Michael Haggerty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love the way dittoh

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Sam Morris
Yo! O's-Mounting-Moore, what the hell are you talking about? You're like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth biting at my ancles. Get off me you stupid mutt! --- Michael Haggerty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love the way dittoheads deny they are dittoheads > the moment they are confronted. Like mo

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
From the Washington Post, last Saturday: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5662-2004Jun25.html Foes of U.S. in Iraq Criticize Insurgents Clerics and Militiamen Decry Violence By Edward Cody Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, June 26, 2004; Page A01 BAGHDAD, June 25 -- Key Ir

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Doug White
. The insurgency's recent actions of attacking and killing foreign workers is having a significant effect. Over the weekend for instance a neighbourhood militia in Bagdad chased down a group of insurgents and "foreign fighters" then handed them over to the coalition forces. All the major Sunni and

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Answers inline: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:08:52 -0500, Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > One characteristic of "those people" is that the combatants mix in with the > general populous, which, of course includes women and children, fathers, > mothers, grandparents, etc.  Therefore in de

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Doug White
s equal"  The conservative re-election platform is more concerned with creating an atmosphere of fear among the common populace, while at the same time accumulating incredible riches at their expense. Know your enemy, and your enemy is not me. Hopefully the foregoing will stimulate this thread a

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
I think he did. He does this stuff every once in a while. > Go on, yell at him now :) > > -sm > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 6:25 PM >   Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy >   We all know Michael Moore is trying to get Bush out of >   office. I'm just pointing out that it might not end >   there. Maybe he want's a different world power. So >   start by subdividing the peo

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
Well, that is what they tell us, that the uprising is all Saddam loyalists and al-Qaeda. I am not sure that Moore supports the insurgents as much as he portrays them as people, which is something lacking from the US nightly news. There are some wrenching discussions of little girls with their nose

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Jerry Johnson
Blame the educational system. How can any school graduate a person from high school without a rudimentary knowledge of geography? My 4 1/2-year-old nephew knows most of the countries on the globe (and what the major language is for each country), all the states in the US and Canada, and knows like

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Tony Weeg
word! -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:44 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy I wish more who live here were more like that (having a passport and using it on occasion). I'd even settle for a bit more know

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I wish more who live here were more like that (having a passport and using it on occasion). I'd even settle for a bit more knowledge about the rest of the world instead of a lot of the insularity I've seen. Case in point. When I first moved to the US from Canada to attend grad school, I went to a

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Tony Weeg
dude. you scared me. cool. later. -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy Tony, My posting was completely tongue-in-cheek. I have a valid passport, and have even used it a

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Jerry Johnson
Tony, My posting was completely tongue-in-cheek. I have a valid passport, and have even used it a time or two. Jerry Johnson World Traveler >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/04 05:35PM >>> uhhh, we have every need in the world to get outta here and venture out... I think it's the close mindedness li

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
> From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:18:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Mike, > > Calling someone a dittohead comes very close to a personal attack, just an fyi.

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
I am not defending Rush :) see comments elsewhere. But on Will, I did want to say that op-ed is considered legitimate journalism. Dana - Original Message - From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:02:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community &

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
little details like is it true or not? :) >I don't have access to that report. And don't think the details matter anyway. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
speaking of unproven allegations did you ever give me a source for your assertion that the bin Laden flights were the 14th? Other ppl are saying the 13th. Just wondering, Dana >My point is if he's going to suggest things but not actually prove anything just plant the thought in your mind, don't

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
I think he is :) > What facts, the problem is there are no facts just inuendo. If there were facts don't you think Gore would be screeming at the top of his lungs impeach! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
it does? I thought they were proud of it? Course Sam does say he isn't a regular listener... Dana - Original Message - From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:18:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike,

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
the map is ignorant. I also say that this is not the same thing as stupid. I suspect that this may have been Moore's point. Dana - Original Message - From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EM

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
t; Dana - Original Message - From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam, >   > Which one of Michael Moore&

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Again, a commentator rather that a journalist. But George Will usually backs his stuff up with that rare commodity, facts. Now contrast that with Rush, who is typically "fact-challenged". I find it strange that the neo-con movement considers drug addiction to be a moral failure that should result

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
Larry, I give you George Will. I usually disagree with him but his opinions are usually intelligent. - Original Message - From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:31:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rush fair

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread dana tierney
- From: Michael Haggerty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is what I mean when I say we need a dittohead report of the day. The movie never claims the war in Afghanistan was about buildin

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Rush fair. Oh boy you must be taking his dosage of oxy-contin or something. He is reaaly out there when it comes to bias. Rush had absolutely no qualms about reporting out and out lies about the Clinton administration, even though it was plainly obvious how much they were lies. Vince Foster's tragi

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
In case you have not noticed for whatever reason, I also pointed out the same to others who  were doing the same. Lighten up eh. On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:32:13 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > excuse me? He basically called me a noin thinking > moron, I just implied he was bei

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-29 Thread John Stanley
To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy Those aren't journalists. They are talk show hosts. Also how about someone with integrity, which given Rush's proclivities, Hannity's deliberate fabrications, and O'reilly's outright lies, makes your list rather short. larry

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Michael Haggerty
No, all I said is GWB's administration marched senior members of the Taleban around like distinguished foreign dignitaries in the months leading up to 9/11. This same group turned around and sheltered a person who killed thousands of Americans. These are facts, and they have nothing to do with Musl

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Michael Haggerty
I love the way dittoheads deny they are dittoheads the moment they are confronted. Like most people, they are ashamed to admit they agree with a demogouge, but lack the moral clarity or personal vision to stand up for what is right when they are alone. Here's how to recognize a dittohead, ideas li

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Sam Morris
Wow! there's a statement in there! Who'd you call for the pointers? Al Gore. Genene GaraImagenuis? --- Michael Haggerty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is what I mean when I say we need a dittohead > report of the day. >   > The movie never claims the war in Afghanistan was > about building a pi

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Sam Morris
he did say it. > >   > > On my scales Michael Moore and Rush weigh in about > the same: both are > assholes.  But Michael wins:  Rush has always been > an ass; Moore is just > getting into the game. > >   > > Jim Davis > >   > >   > >

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Michael Haggerty
This is what I mean when I say we need a dittohead report of the day. The movie never claims the war in Afghanistan was about building a pipeline, that is a complete lie only a lowbrow could believe. The movie does show members of the Taleban running around Washington in the days before 9/11 bei

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Jim Davis
about the same: both are assholes.  But Michael wins:  Rush has always been an ass; Moore is just getting into the game. Jim Davis From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy OK, O'Reilly can get to into himself

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Tony Weeg
you want to send a link to a friend. -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:13 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Know Your Enemy --- Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam, >   > Which one of Michael Moore&

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Sam Morris
--- Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam, >   > Which one of Michael Moore's facts that he presented > in this movie > regarding the Bush Administration is untrue? >   > -Angel > Alright, sucked back into it... Unocal. All this talk of Rush I decided to see what he had to say. "Anoth

RE: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Jim Davis
Good advice from Doug. My lovely bride is away, but once she gets back we'll be going to see it. My problem with Moore lately is just that he's become such an ass. His earlier stuff was brilliant ("Roger and Me" and sublime "TV Nation" - the story on North Dakota tourism alone is worth the price

Re: Know Your Enemy

2004-06-28 Thread Sam Morris
I may be wrong but I do think of Russert as a journalist. Ask any conservative and they don't count him as a member but he's well respected and can always be trusted to ask the questions that need to be asked. Not like Catie or Matt who hate Bush and will help in any way to make him look bad. The

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