On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:09 AM, G wrote:
> > 1. The Sunni insurgency is over, as the Sunnis have decided to join the
> > government rather than fight it.
>
>
> This seems to be true. What worries me is the seemingly fluid nature of the
> Iraqi peoples' allegiances. I mean, if they could one day ju
> gMoney wrote:
> I think it's a testament to the work that the GOOD people have
> donethat they can overcome the level of incompetence in this
> administration to have produced even an iota of good results.
That's the untold story so far, IMO.
You can find plenty about how horribly screwed u
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. The Sunni insurgency is over, as the Sunnis have decided to join the
> government rather than fight it.
This seems to be true. What worries me is the seemingly fluid nature of the
Iraqi peoples' allegiances. I mean, if t
And Rumsfeld ignored the advice of his military commanders that more troops
would be needed to secure the country. All true.
Now there is a strategy in place to secure the country, and it is working:
1. The Sunni insurgency is over, as the Sunnis have decided to join the
government rather than fi
If you want an interesting twist on this, read what Bremer has to say about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/opinion/16bremer.html
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> As for the specific decision on the Iraqi army, the army was already
> dissolved; the de
> Dana wrote:
> mmm. I'll google a bit maybe, maybe look on youtube.
60 minutes has an interview with Douglas Feith this week and he
discusses this. You can podcast it here:
http://feeds.cbsnews.com/podcast_60min_1
As for whether was at fault - sort of, but it's a cop out:
1.) He was only ther
>Obama keeping the plan is proof enough it works.
that is a remarkable piece of circular reasoning. Such a tautology should be
enshrined as a classic piece of fuzzy thinking right up there with intelligent
design and social credit.
~~
> RoMunn wrote:
> You so urgently want to believe that is true, don't you? Military progress
> in Iraq is scoffed at; political progress in Iraq is denied.
Dude, that's the facts. Let's try an experiment to see objectively who's right:
(1.) Detail the mission of our troops in Iraq (not the visio
Just going by the record. This administration never tells the truth
when there is a lie it can tell. I don't consider myself particularly
left-wing, by the way :)
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You so urgently want to believe that is true, don't you? Mili
::shrug:: I still don't watch it
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's PBS for christs sake.
>
> Dana wrote:
>> I guess that answers my question. But I don't watch TV and don't plan to
>> start.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTE
You so urgently want to believe that is true, don't you? Military progress
in Iraq is scoffed at; political progress in Iraq is denied. The Left is
blind to it all, at least until January 2009, isn't that right?
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Gruss wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mistake came from h
> Dana wrote:
> mistake came from higher up as I suspect?
>
None. Bush is accountable and fucked up strategically by invading and
tactically by putting a string a people in charge who lacked either
the expertise or resources to complete a mission; especially because
there wasn't and isn't one.
W
It's PBS for christs sake.
Dana wrote:
> I guess that answers my question. But I don't watch TV and don't plan to
> start.
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> watch the frontline story, it's all there.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Dana wrote:
>
mmm. I'll google a bit maybe, maybe look on youtube. But what
difference does it actually make whether Bremer made the mistake and
was given too little supervision for anyone to catch it, or the
mistake came from higher up as I suspect?
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTE
Might be available on video or something, I'm not sure. It's well worth the
viewing, it really goes into the details of the strategic and tactical
mistakes that the Administration made after the invasion.
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Dana wrote:
> I guess that answers my question. But I don't
I guess that answers my question. But I don't watch TV and don't plan to start.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> watch the frontline story, it's all there.
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Dana wrote:
>
>> hmm. I'd be more inclined to believe it if it we
watch the frontline story, it's all there.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Dana wrote:
> hmm. I'd be more inclined to believe it if it weren't for the
> administration's repeated delegation of blame. What makes you think he was
> a
> loose cannon on this?
>
>
~~
hmm. I'd be more inclined to believe it if it weren't for the
administration's repeated delegation of blame. What makes you think he was a
loose cannon on this?
On 7/4/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Personally I feel that Bremer is at fault for the years following the
> initial invasion
Personally I feel that Bremer is at fault for the years following the
initial invasion.
Like you mentioned, closing the civil service, the debaathification
program, and disbanding the military and police were about the worst
decisions that could have been made.
Robert Munn wrote:
> Interesting
That's exactly it. He doesn't stand for anything anymore, just himself. He
has become a cult of personality.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, sam wrote:
> Barack Obama has now committed so many reversals, obfuscations, and
> rhetorical parsings that he now stands for nothing only himself. Eve
I see you are in full nuzzling mode yourself.
How is it that Obama plays the political game and he's a hero, but McCain
plays the political game and he's a chump? Stop with your BS.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Gruss wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > McCain tried to play fair in 2000 and got Bush
Interesting point. Did anyone see the Frontline show on the war that just
aired? I saw a big chunk of it last week, very interesting.
The most damning thing they said about the war, IMHO, was that Jerry Bremer
was a little Napolean who was running Iraq as a pro-consul. Hell, he would
not even list
Exactly.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:06 AM, morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The unfortunate thing is, even if that's true, and there is/was some link
> there, the current administration has lied so much, so often, only the
> strict party-line type republicans would believe it at this point.
>
Obama keeping the plan is proof enough it works.
> Interesting that you're referencing this opinion piece as straight
> news. Especially given that the writer was director of the White
> House
> Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives from 2002 to 2006.
> So
> he has an interest in p
Your on the right path:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/03/does-anyone-know-what-obama-thinks-any-more/
Does anyone know what Obama thinks any more?
The last frontier of flip-flops approaches for Barack Obama, and even his
surrogates can't seem to guess which way the wind blows on any given d
thats what gets me about shrubbers... they cant see how low it has
REALLY gotten for saving face with their party...
sux
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:52 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I am not BS'ing. Yes Gen Franks was in charge of the initial invasion,
> but then the politicians started taking over
You seriously have to read or watch some the history. Read Cobra II,
Fiasco, or watch No End In Sight:
"Pentagon reporter Thomas E. Ricks echoes criticism fr
That's much better than a few places I lived:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park,_Chicago
In the 1960s, as a result of the project, Hyde Park's average income soared by
70%, but its Black population fell by 40%, since the substandard housing for
poorer Blacks and other minorities had been pu
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> most importantly, either way this thing goes, we're going to have a
> capable,
> decent guy in the white house for the next four years.
>
We'll see.
The bar has certainly been lowered..at this point, I'll take anyone t
> RoMunn wrote:
> McCain tried to play fair in 2000 and got Bush-whacked.
See? You're making my case here. Obama almost got hill-wacked, but
he punched back. Dude lives and teaches in the ghetto. I don't know
if you've been to the south side of Chicago or Hyde Park, but it's not
exactly Crawfo
I am not BS'ing. Yes Gen Franks was in charge of the initial invasion,
but then the politicians started taking over, deciding who is going to
be the interim government until the Iraqi government was elected. Read
his book called American Soldier. Politicians ran a lot of the war until
someone h
ok, think about the primary. obama polled several points above where he came
out in the election in certain key states. so i look at the current polls
and see basically a dead heat or even (could it be?) a slight lead for
mccain. that's heresy in political circles. even many republican operatives
p
> > Who says it doesn't function well?
>
> Interesting that you're referencing this opinion piece as straight
> news. Especially given that the writer was director of the White House
> Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives from 2002 to 2006. So
> he has an interest in putting this pro
agreed, of course :)
i think that if you get a chance to listen to the podcast that WNYC's
radiolab did on EMERGENCE
it will make a bit of sense... i think that he is the perfect
candidate at this moment in time, in this
country, on this world state, and i think he has emerged as the CLEAR
front r
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I have said, Obama is a decent guy, but he isn't the guy to lead the
> country right now.
>
Purely just a difference of opinion, but I think he is the PERFECT guy to
lead this country right nowand maybe ONLY right no
> Who says it doesn't function well?
Interesting that you're referencing this opinion piece as straight news.
Especially given that the writer was director of the White House Office of
Faith-Based and Community Initiatives from 2002 to 2006. So he has an interest
in putting this program in the
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Gruss wrote:
>
> In other words, he'll be too dumb to think he can't do something and
> that's exactly what we need right now IMO.
He has no illusions about the workings of government. As you noted, he
graduated top of his class at Harvard f-ing Law School.
>
>
The unfortunate thing is, even if that's true, and there is/was some link
there, the current administration has lied so much, so often, only the
strict party-line type republicans would believe it at this point.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Larry, thats som
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/report-details-saddams-terrorist-ties/72906/
The report, titled "Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi
Documents," finds that:
- The Iraqi Intelligence Service in a 1993 memo to Saddam agreed on a plan to
train commandos from Egyptian Islamic J
>Larry, thats something thats still hotly debated. There have been
>document caches found in Iraq that say otherwise.
>
Evidence that's been examined by a reliable third party, or is it something
like that so called mobile biowar lab that turned out to be a weather balloon
launcher. Or those s
>I am about pride and saving face. We disgraced the military and the
>country by quitting. Now, I never thought that we should have been in
>Vietnam in the first place. We suffered from not paying attention to
>history. Other countries tried what we did and failed. I see no reason
>why we would
Larry, thats something thats still hotly debated. There have been
document caches found in Iraq that say otherwise.
Larry Lyons wrote:
>> The official reason is the WMD's that did not pan out. My reason is what
>> I have previously stated. UN Violations that were a condition of the
>> cease fi
>
> Stand alone democracy? no.
>
> But, they have reached 15 of the 18 benchmarks that we put in place
> for them. I find that remarkable. They will be able to stand on their
> own feet, it will just take some time. But they are making good
> progress.
A point about that, they could meet tho
>* The guy is black dude from a broken home with a kooky name who was
>moved all over as kid. Despite that he graduated at the top of his
>class from Harvard - f'ing - Law School. That's no small
>accomplishment. It's the pinnacle of professional services: equal or
>better than any other combina
ZACKLY!
great post.
tw
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> I am not at all surprised by any of this, but the big distinction is that
>> Obama is the "Change" and "Hope" guy, which we now know is a line of
>> political rhetoric of Clintonian
> Larry wrote:
> there was never any evidence of the Ba'athists, Saddam and Aq meeting before
> the invasion.
If anyone has read Corba II, Woodward's book, or seen No End In Sight
or Bush's War you know beyond all doubt that:
(1.) Bush invaded Iraq as a democratic imperialist. Period. Not
terr
>The official reason is the WMD's that did not pan out. My reason is what
>I have previously stated. UN Violations that were a condition of the
>cease fire and subsequent end to Desert Storm, and the repeated
>declarations of war that Saddam is guilty of between Desert Storm and
>now. And the
> RoMunn wrote:
> I am not at all surprised by any of this, but the big distinction is that
> Obama is the "Change" and "Hope" guy, which we now know is a line of
> political rhetoric of Clintonian quality.
>
Yes and no. Just the fact that Obama is new to politics means that he
will WILL be a ch
12:58 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
Please note this: Obama wants to make all income subject to FICA
withholding, so if you make more than the current FICA cutof, your taxes are
going to go up. That is not a tax on the rich, it is a huge, soci
I am not at all surprised by any of this, but the big distinction is that
Obama is the "Change" and "Hope" guy, which we now know is a line of
political rhetoric of Clintonian quality.
And hell, I don't even care about that, it is, after all, how politicians
get elected. Let's just be clear that i
Rummy wasn't the military he was secdef. A civilian overlord. Franks
was the military man and should have done his job better.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Sgt Sorge wrote:
>> The military got to run WWI,
>> WWII and Desert Storm and you see the results of that? We won hands
>> down.
>
> Dude. Rumsfe
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> but I have my own views on things, and more often than not they are out
> of alignment with the general consensus.
>
Well, Sarge, then you're probably right.
;-)
Cheers to you, Sgt Sorge, American Hero.
~|
Well one of the problems is you are preaching to a war monger. I
actually enjoy being in combat. I could care less why we are there, just
send me into combat and I am happy. Anyway, I see and respect your views
but I have my own views on things, and more often than not they are out
of alignment
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> The military got to run WWI,
> WWII and Desert Storm and you see the results of that? We won hands
> down.
Dude. Rumsfeld, i.e., "the military", ran Iraq soup to nuts and you
see the result? Anarchy.
But you are close on one thing - the real generals, the ones that
actually
at
before we start dumping billions into rebuilding another country.
Charitable disaster relief is not the same as nation building. You can't
even compare the two.
- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Sorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wedne
The official reason is the WMD's that did not pan out. My reason is what
I have previously stated. UN Violations that were a condition of the
cease fire and subsequent end to Desert Storm, and the repeated
declarations of war that Saddam is guilty of between Desert Storm and
now. And the fact
I am about pride and saving face. We disgraced the military and the
country by quitting. Now, I never thought that we should have been in
Vietnam in the first place. We suffered from not paying attention to
history. Other countries tried what we did and failed. I see no reason
why we would have
No, you asked a question and I answered it. That is not the only win.
There are several things going on with this war and when all is said and
done, I would venture to say that the middle east will be a better place
once this is all over. I think that one of the problems over there is
that othe
> Bruce wrote:
> Not just some families, but Iraqi's overall.
> Their life is a hell of a lot better now. They can have legitimate elections.
Ok so the whole case for staying is to help Iraqi families.
We got problems at home - we can't afford the charity right now. If
that's the only win then
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> rather than cut and run. We already did that in Vietnam and Somalia. We
> don't need to do it again.
And what'd we lose by leaving Vietnam and Somalia? Seems like there
was zero downside. What's the big win that we missed?
~~~
so... we are in Iraq why again?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes I did, in addition to other reasons. Combating tyranny is not enough
> to justify invading another country in my book. If that were the case we
> would be in Burma, Somalia, Iran, N. Kore
Yes I did, in addition to other reasons. Combating tyranny is not enough
to justify invading another country in my book. If that were the case we
would be in Burma, Somalia, Iran, N. Korea and many other countries.
Dana wrote:
> well wait... (scrolls up) didn't you just say we were in Iraq to c
Look at previous posts. There are other more valid reasons to go in. It
is just too bad those were never brought up. Either way, we are at war
and since we are at war, we need to work on winning and getting out
rather than cut and run. We already did that in Vietnam and Somalia. We
don't need t
well wait... (scrolls up) didn't you just say we were in Iraq to combat
typrrany?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did Somalia or Burma declare war on us, or violate UN sanctions that
> were part of a cease fire agreement between two countries? I seem to
>
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WMD? no.
>
> I wish everyone would get off the WMD thing. We have known for years that
> they are no where to be found in Iraq, so it does not count even
> though that was the premise of the invasion.
i bet everyone who sid
Did Somalia or Burma declare war on us, or violate UN sanctions that
were part of a cease fire agreement between two countries? I seem to
remember that we were in Somalia, but Clinton fracked that one up for us.
Dana wrote:
> Bruce
>
> Please explain to me then why we are not in Somalia, then. O
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would rather have a politician who changes in response to criticism than
> an ideologue that says 'if you disagree with me, then you can go frack
> yourself.' Where have a I heard that before?
Battlestar Galactica.
~
I agree. I too think there's a lot of work to do an the idea of additional
hands is seductive, but it's all too easy for that well-meaning volunteer at
a food bank to explain to some unfortunate just how much better things would
be if he/she accepted Jesus Christ as a personal Savior
On Wed, J
Bruce
Please explain to me then why we are not in Somalia, then. Or Burma.
Dana
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Suffering from a lack of a sense of humor tony? You don't honestly
> believe that is the reason do you? If so, then I guess that makes the
>
WMD? no.
I wish everyone would get off the WMD thing. We have known for years that they
are no where to be found in Iraq, so it does not count even though that was the
premise of the invasion.
Cheap oil? no.
How about we hold the oil companies accountable for prices? These companies are
s
Better coaches for Iraqi Olympic soccer team
Huge advances in battlefield trauma surgery.
And of course a big upswing in the used rubble market.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know it's controversial to ask, but what has our $500 B ( or more
> like i
t official panders to someone else's interests, he/she
is being a politician.
-Original Message-
From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
Great article:
Not a flinch. Not a flic
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> And where are you getting the idea that we have nothing to show for it?
> The MSM?
I know it's controversial to ask, but what has our $500 B ( or more
like it $3 T) bought us?
WMD? no.
Cheap oil? no.
Defeated AQ? no.
Captured Bin Laden? no.
Placated Iran? no.
Stand
Who says it doesn't function well?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062702631.html
Although this continues to be debated in Washington, there's little debate in
the heartland: The Bush faith-based initiative works. Thirty-five governors --
19 Democrats and 1
> I would think that any conservatively minded person would
> agree with that.
Conservative, yes.
Neo-con, no.
:-\
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~~~
> -Original Message-
> From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:57 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
>
> What's the difference between what he said and what Bush said?
Very li
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:40 PM, sam morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> gut feeling.
>
> All could be said for Bush in 2000
sure. but i had no good gut feeling about him in 2000, so not for me.
>> and the fact that he is NOT a washington professional.
>
> He has no Experience
and thats as sexy
Great article:
Not a flinch. Not a flicker. Not a hint of shame. By the time he's finished,
Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.
>Speaking of which, Charles Krauthammer has labelled Obama for what he really
>is - a politician:
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
&
What's the difference between what he said and what Bush said?
>It definitely is pandering... but it's not as bad when you actually put it
>in context. Here's the rest:
>
>"Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I
>believe deeply in the separation of church and stat
Suddenly after 20 years. I wonder why.
>And for the record, Obama has completely distanced himself from Trinity
>United. He goes to another Methodist church now, same as Bush.
>
>David C
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is th
>You're forgetting one key point: Obama isn't using it as an end-to-end
>solution.
Neither did Bush.
>All he's saying is that charity works.
So did Bush.
>Further, there's the political angle that you've gotten wrong: he
>isn't courting evangelicals (although that's a side benefit), he's
>cour
And where are you getting the idea that we have nothing to show for it?
The MSM? Occasionally I will try and stomach CNN, HNN, ABC, NBC, etc...
and after a while I get sick to my stomach because all they can report
about Iraq is all the bad and none of the good. I have gone over this
before and
> Sam wrote:
> Do you know anything about him?
>
That's a great metric for the insane depths of failure Bush has
accomplished: by comparison even Paris Hilton looks to be the savvy
policy wonk.
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8
> Morgan wrote:
> This is the problem, right here. The current government, along with its
> predecessors, can't even ensure that welfare or financial aid money is
> getting to "where it works".
Since I think this is pandering on a level I'm only answering academically:
Can't be worse than dumping
> gut feeling.
All could be said for Bush in 2000
> and the fact that he is NOT a washington professional.
He has no Experience
> and the fact that he HAS NOT sent one man to war.
Do you think we were wrong to go in to Afghanistan?
> and the fact that he has not been a prick on the world sta
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "... First, if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant
> money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate
> against them -- or against the people you hire -- on the basis of their
> religion. Sec
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I
> believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don't believe
> this partnership will endanger that idea -- so long as we follow a few
> ba
> -Original Message-
> From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:54 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
>
> > That's my point.
> > There's no logic to the liberal min
> Sam wrote:
> So many on this list were angry with Bush for this. Crickets when Obama
> offers it.
>
You're forgetting one key point: Obama isn't using it as an end-to-end solution.
All he's saying is that charity works.
Further, there's the political angle that you've gotten wrong: he
isn't c
> That's my point.
> There's no logic to the liberal mind, only emotion.
no Sam, that's one person's opinion, *not* indicative of an entire
group. Being "all grown up" (to quote you) you should (and probably
do) know better.
Personally, I am not happy with this particular move by Obama, I think
i
Obama has completely distanced himself from Trinity
United. He goes to another Methodist church now, same as Bush.
David C
-Original Message-
From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:07 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiativ
prick = shrub
prick != sam
i dont stoop to lows like that with people ive never
met or talked to or seen talk or heard talk... you've got
battles with others here, not me dog.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008
gut feeling.
and the fact that he is NOT a washington professional.
and the fact that he HAS NOT sent one man to war.
and the fact that he has not been a prick on the world stage.
and the fact that he has a strong sense of unifying our hobbled
country and the rest of the world.
tw
On Wed, Jul 2,
Nice.
Since I'm all grown-up I'll keep my opinions of you to myself.
>again, coming from a prick i dont like, humor isnt humor its arrogance.
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What do you base that belief on? Has Obama done or said anything that would
make him trustworthy?
Are you also saying giving money to religion is acceptable if a member of the
Trinity Unity Church does it as opposed to whatever Bush's religion is?
>Because it's easier to believe that Obama's do
Because it's easier to believe that Obama's doing it in a spirit of unity.
David C
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From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:14 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Obama promises faith-based initiative
So many on this list
When you repeatedly ignore sanctions that were imposed upon you as a
condition of a cease fire, and repeatedly declare war on us, yes, I do
justify these actions. If I did not believe in this, then I would not
have come back into the Army. I guess a small part of me wants to do my
part to finis
but do the action of a petty dictator with a penchant for torture
require us spending BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS on a war that is
doing diddly for us back home other than keeping some local
funeral homes and a lot of families unhappy
really...
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is
ive a great sense of humor...
again, coming from a prick i dont like, humor isnt humor its arrogance.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Suffering from a lack
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