Funny you mention your class.. I was talking to my PM about getting approval
to go to one in the near future. Now... to find a laptop :-/
> You really need that vacation Michael. Either that or my class.
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You really need that vacation Michael. Either that or my class.
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From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Kick his ass Sandy, kick his ass. :-)
Hit him with the
> Kick his ass Sandy, kick his ass. :-)
> Hit him with the 508 upper cut!
>> You and I will talk one day Isaac, oh we will talk.
>>
>> Btw, I don't really care who knows it, I am 41.
>>
>> Sandy
LOL... I'll be 30 in November.
It's actually not all that unlikely that my dad worked on CP/M. I kn
Kick his ass Sandy, kick his ass. :-)
Hit him with the 508 upper cut!
> You and I will talk one day Isaac, oh we will talk.
>
> Btw, I don't really care who knows it, I am 41.
>
> Sandy
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You and I will talk one day Isaac, oh we will talk.
Btw, I don't really care who knows it, I am 41.
Sandy
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From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Hmm... CP/M
Hmm... CP/M ... that must have been my dad's time. :)
s. isaac "who should know better than to make comments about a woman's
age" dealey
> Shouldn't that be ** holds up CP/M install disk **
> **holds up MSDOS install disk**
> My precious
> ;-)
>>I've never been shy about telling peopl
Ahh, you're braver than I. :) Thanks Deanna.
> Kevin and I tested that one. Nothing happens if you
> microwave a new or old 20.
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:50:58 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey
> wrote:
>> > I'm against the government having another way to track
>> > you
>> > and police
>> > us. I'm also ag
Kevin and I tested that one. Nothing happens if you microwave a new or old 20.
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:50:58 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> > I'm against the government having another way to track you
> > and police
> > us. I'm also against a lot of things that creates or
> > pronounces classism
Shouldn't that be ** holds up CP/M install disk **
**holds up MSDOS install disk**
My precious
;-)
>I've never been shy about telling people that I'm offended that MS
>made WinXP look like it was manufactured by Fisher Price. And all of
>the "classic" settings combined don't get it to
Nice! :)
> We hates it we does...
> nasty Gateses and his XPses...
> He insults us he does...
> It makes us sick and hurts us it does...
> **holds up MSDOS install disk**
> My precious
> ;-)
>>I've never been shy about telling people that I'm offended
>>that MS
>>made WinXP look like i
We hates it we does...
nasty Gateses and his XPses...
He insults us he does...
It makes us sick and hurts us it does...
**holds up MSDOS install disk**
My precious
;-)
>I've never been shy about telling people that I'm offended that MS
>made WinXP look like it was manufactured by Fisher
> Dangerous does not mean life threatening.
Well that's why I'd said "not in this context". :)
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework
http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477&DE=1
http://www.
Dangerous does not mean life threatening.
I was referring to the danger to one's computer from people who might get into computers without such programs as zone alarm. I'm not saying that users should be server admins, or that they should know all the tricks of security -- only that they should be
Hard to say...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html
they were using 20's (I don't know if I'm brave enough for that)...
could be a hoax, or it could be larger denominations, or the rfid tags
have been removed since or they've found some way to prevent them
burning the bill...
>
I tried various bills of different ages including a crisp new one.
-Kevin
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:15:00 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How new was the bill? I don't know when they're supposed to have
> started putting htem in either...
>
> > Source? I did the $20 in the micro
How new was the bill? I don't know when they're supposed to have
started putting htem in either...
> Source? I did the $20 in the microwave test and didn't get
> any hinky
> burning. That's supposedly the tell-tale way to find and
> kill the
> embedded tags.
> -Kevin
>> Speaking of which we real
d Internet users.ah we would all sleep better at night.
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From: Marlon Moyer
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Back to the license thingA driver's license doesn&
ED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> I read up on the security holes in windows and IIS, I patch what I can, I
> close what holes are open. I learn and I want to learn. Even with using
> Windows
Source? I did the $20 in the microwave test and didn't get any hinky
burning. That's supposedly the tell-tale way to find and kill the
embedded tags.
-Kevin
> Speaking of which we really need to get rid of the RFID tags in our
> cash...
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nd I feel that a license or at least some knowledge is needed to use the
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From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:43 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Michael, you have the ability to learn about and use a mor
> I'm against the government having another way to track you
> and police
> us. I'm also against a lot of things that creates or
> pronounces classism..
> except money.
Speaking of which we really need to get rid of the RFID tags in our
cash...
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epoch : i
At 13:14 8/18/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > Poor judgement on the internet isn't life threatening.
>
>Not in this context... there are people who give out too much personal
>info to the wrong people and end up in life-threatening situations as
>a result... not necessarily the fault of the internet per
> Poor judgement on the internet isn't life threatening.
Not in this context... there are people who give out too much personal
info to the wrong people and end up in life-threatening situations as
a result... not necessarily the fault of the internet per-se, but the
net ends up being the medium t
Exactly Gel.I just wish I was better at making a point via e-mail.
> -Original Message-
> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> My poin
x27;t that a bit like a car company ignoring seatbelts because they want their customers to believe their cars never crash??
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Stoner
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: On stupidi
My point of view on the topic is that I know a lot more about computers
than the average user.
As someone who builds systems it is my duty to ensure that an average
user who has nothing close to the knowledge which I possess, will be
able to successfully use the system in the manner in which it was
At 10:07 8/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Wow, if thats true, that is a HORRIBLE position for companies that provide
>always-on connections to take.
>
>Isn't that a bit like a car company ignoring seatbelts because they want
>their customers to believe their cars never crash??
>
>
> Having worked f
G wrote:
> Wow, if thats true, that is a HORRIBLE position for companies that
> provide always-on connections to take.
>
> Isn't that a bit like a car company ignoring seatbelts because they
> want their customers to believe their cars never crash??
>
Well, we do provide them on request (unle
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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> Also, no one briefed us on how to reliably secure our DSL, or the
> wireless network we've set up to let both computers use it. But we
>
Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> Also, no one briefed us on how to reliably secure our DSL, or the
> wireless network we've set up to let both computers use it. But we
> already know that. What scares me is those millions of users out there
> who have no idea that there's any danger to their computer
Marlon
> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> Marlon:
>
> I drive a car...and trust me when I say I have _no_ idea what
so true. There's a great book about this by Alan Cooper: The Inmates Are
Running the Asylum. Though some programmers may not "get it"
>-Original Message-
>From: Marlon Moyer
>Who imparted the wisdom about vitamins, vegetables and the
>danger of jumping
>off high thingsmore than
Actually, the very fact that you're on this list is a sign that you're open to learning, which puts us all out of the "stupid" category by the definition Michael's using ("stupidity" here = willful ignorance.)
So I don't think that Michael's statement applies to anyone here -- it applies to a spec
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Who imparted the wisdom about vitamins, vegetables and the danger of jumping
off high things
PIty the kids didn't hang around for a bit longer and become
candidates for the Darwin Awards.
real brilliant types.
larry
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:33:19 -0400, Harkins, Patrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> then you might find this amusing:
>
> A group of kids at a California apartment complex ha
You know to eat your vegetables and take your vitamins and not to jump
off really high things, right? And you expect bad things to happen if
you go BMX riding without helmet and pads, right?
All we're saying is that the same rules apply. I'm not expecting people
to be able to fix their comput
-Community
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Maybe that wasn't the right word for the idea I'm trying to convey. For
example, my doctor doesn't expect me to be able to diagnose my own illness.
Does it make me "stupi
> This isn't their fault though. I blame MS. They market
> WinXP to look and feel very simple. A consumer OS
> shouldn't require all of the maintenance that WinXP
> requires.
I've never been shy about telling people that I'm offended that MS
made WinXP look like it was manufactured by Fisher Pri
> -Original Message-
> From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:03 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> I don't think it is elitist to recognize that your skills in a particular
all have similar
>attitudes.
>
>Marlon
>
>
>
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:56 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>&
I don't think it is elitist to recognize that your skills in a particular area are advanced when compared to the average person.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon Moyer
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael
iPods, cell phones, etc all have similar
attitudes.
Marlon
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:56 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> Apples and basketballs. I
I saw one of those buttons on a site once years ago and of course had to try
it. It opened one of those endless _javascript_ popup loops and I had to ctrl
alt delete in a big hurry!
Patrick
>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Graeme
>
>
>Oooo, what's this shiny button do?
Outbound email s
then you might find this amusing:
A group of kids at a California apartment complex have learned a
valuable lesson about not throwing rocks at bee hives.
Firefighters had to close off a four-block area after the kids
pelted a 500-pound (227-kg) hive that housed 120,000 bees. The
bees and the sever
Oooo, what's this shiny button do?
-Kevin
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:23:28 -0400, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What? No electric shocks? No automated sending of applications for
> jobs at other companies?
>
> Well, you are still learning.
> :-)
>
> --Ben
>
> Jochem van Dieten wrote:
I can snap my toes!
--Ben "too much info" Doom
S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> I have feet like a monkey (oposable big toes), therefore I declare
> that all the rest of you flat-footed bozos are over-evolved. :P
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If we define stupidity as a measure of IQ, then you are right. However,
we're using the term "stupid" to indicate that a person is indulging in
destructive behavior out of laziness and willfull ignorance. Is it
stupid for someone to not stop at red lights? I'd say that's pretty
stupid whethe
+3! w00t! I totally agree.
Ignorance is something I can deal with. Willful ignorance tends to
irritate me.
--Ben
Charlie Griefer wrote:
> Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
>
>>>From a previous post of his:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Lets be honest here. Most internet users ARE stupid. There was a news report a
What? No electric shocks? No automated sending of applications for
jobs at other companies?
Well, you are still learning.
:-)
--Ben
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> I have a plan to include a very large "Do not click here" button on
> the intranet. Clicking there will result in immediate banishi
Apparently, we also need an onstupidity event in our text editors.
--Ben "Stupider than thou" Doom
Charlie Griefer wrote:
> hmm...you used XHTML notation in self-closing your input...yet you
> mix-cased onStupidity (which clearly should have been onstupidity).
>
> somewhere in the distance, Joc
well de-ignorifying the user is my job and that's why I asked about the
Internet license. :-) Many thanks to those who answered, by the way...
Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e232)
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S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>
> Wow... tech support is easier than reading...
It is. Reading only helps you find out how to do it, tech support also helps you find ourt what you want to do in the first place.
Jochem
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> I was just helping someone set up their new iBook two
> weeks ago. They
> had never used OS X, so I was doing things like loading
> their photos
> into iPhoto and showing them how easy it was to do things
> like
> download from a camera, send photos in email, etc.
> This weekend she was talking
> It was just an example :-) It could have been height or
> number of ears, etc.
> In any case, if it feels good, go ahead...
> End of thread for me.
I have feet like a monkey (oposable big toes), therefore I declare
that all the rest of you flat-footed bozos are over-evolved. :P
s. isaac deale
This thread title is so funny ^_^
lol
-Gel
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I was just helping someone set up their new iBook two weeks ago. They
had never used OS X, so I was doing things like loading their photos
into iPhoto and showing them how easy it was to do things like
download from a camera, send photos in email, etc.
This weekend she was talking to my partner an
It was just an example :-) It could have been height or number of ears, etc.
In any case, if it feels good, go ahead...
End of thread for me.
>> You're missing my simple point:
>
>> If everybody has an IQ of, say 100, how fair is it for the
>> 160 genius to turn around and call everyone "stupid"
> You're missing my simple point:
> If everybody has an IQ of, say 100, how fair is it for the
> 160 genius to turn around and call everyone "stupid"? I
> mean, he's the exception. 100 is the rule (and "normal",
> not stupid).
You're assuming that an IQ of 100 has any meaning... or for that
matte
> hmm...you used XHTML notation in self-closing your
> input...yet you
> mix-cased onStupidity (which clearly should have been
> onstupidity).
> somewhere in the distance, Jochem van Dieten howls with
> pain...
> :)
I actually laughed audibly at this. :)
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epo
You're missing my simple point:
If everybody has an IQ of, say 100, how fair is it for the 160 genius to turn around and call everyone "stupid"? I mean, he's the exception. 100 is the rule (and "normal", not stupid).
In other words: the people MD called 'stupid" are just non-technical users. Mich
Perfect reply. Wonderful. I'll have to reference it somewhere on the site.
:)
Perhaps they're not stupid...but they -are- ignorant. The term
ignorance is not in and of itself an insult, so that's all well and
good. But when somebody chooses to remain ignorant about a technology
that they brin
Charlie Griefer wrote:
> Perhaps they're not stupid...but they -are- ignorant. The term
> ignorance is not in and of itself an insult, so that's all well and
> good. But when somebody chooses to remain ignorant about a technology
> that they bring into their home and use on at least a semi-reg
Irvin Gomez wrote:
>>From a previous post of his:
>
>
>
Lets be honest here. Most internet users ARE stupid. There was a news report about a cop (yes, a police officer) who tried to pick up an underaged kid over the net (including flashing himself) AT WORK! If this isn't stupid, I don't know
hmm...you used XHTML notation in self-closing your input...yet you
mix-cased onStupidity (which clearly should have been onstupidity).
somewhere in the distance, Jochem van Dieten howls with pain...
:)
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
>I have no comment about this thread...
>
>I just saw the subject line
Apples and basketballs. I have no real choice about being 5' 7.5" and Shaq
has no real choice in being the skyscraper that he is. On the other hand,
everyone has the ability to read something about the internet before going
on. But your right. Most end users are not stupid. They're lazy. They wande
I have no comment about this thread...
I just saw the subject line and suddenly despeartely wanted a new
_javascript_ event handler...
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework
http://www.sys-c
> This difference in technical knowledge pays our rent. Let's not forget that. Users are NOT
> stupid. They are normal. Some of us (like Michael D) just know too much...
When I am teaching I constantly include the following:
- The Customer is Always Right
- The Customer Does Not Know What They W
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