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To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: ahhhnewbies
My advice?
Be harsh.
Tell him almost exactly what you have vented here.
He is 21. You are his superior. Full stop.
Not saying be a bully - but tell him to calm
editor of choice is vi for kindergardeners?
--Ben
Short Fuse Media wrote:
Better yet - set the youngin' down in front of vi and ask him to crank
out a valid xhtml spec document
watch him cry...
then laugh.
-Erik
Ben Doom wrote:
Heeheehee. Give him a wrench and
I just wanted to thank all of you guys for the sound advice. I met with
the boss about this and she and I are going to try some of the things
you've suggested.
Just to set the record straight - I don't mind this guy's enthusiasm, I
just don't know how to reel it in so that it is constructive
Ben, that sounds EXACTLY like my first few months here. Lay low, be
humble, learn whenever possible, and things will work out.
Being of that mind, it's hard for me to see where he's coming from
Ben Doom wrote:
See, this is why for the first few months, the new manager here was
impressed
Oh, and for punishment when he screws up, don't let him see naked gym
girl.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:47 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: ahhhnewbies
I just wanted to thank all of you guys
Kevin Graeme wrote:
We had a student employee that was just the same. In the first week he kept
arguing about how to do DB design with Deanna. Ha! We booted him out of the
office.
Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall where that kid is employed
now? Just to see if he learned from his
:48 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: ahhhnewbies
Oh, and for punishment when he screws up, don't let him see naked gym
girl.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:47 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: ahhhnewbies
, and for punishment when he screws up, don't let him see naked gym
girl.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:47 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: ahhhnewbies
I just wanted to thank all of you guys for the sound advice
Ray, I will tell you from personal experience it is very rewarding
when you can help someone grow. (Mr. Doom, shut it! =))
I have met some wonderful people that way, and I think I helped them
become who they are today
I see the task like a magnifying glass. It is the mentor's job to
focus the
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LOL...not until I get some free legal representation to counter the
Peeping Tom suit that'll get filed against me. :)
Paul Ihrig wrote:
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Jerry Johnson wrote:
Ray, I will tell you from personal experience it is very rewarding
when you can help someone grow. (Mr. Doom, shut it! =))
I will not. I'm way smarter than you, 'cause I'm younger, and new is
better. You don't know what you're talking about.
:-)
I have met some
Heh, hardly - was just recalling my first experiences as being a young
'noob' - okay so I'm not quite yet 30, so I guess it wasn't all that
long ago.
Seriously though - at one time I used to be like this 'newbie'. Was
working for a Fed. marketing firm in DC doing VB and FoxPro over DOS in
I STILL don't know how I got the job as a student. I knew ZERO html, ZERO
javascript, ZERO database stuff, and googled 'ColdFusion' and 'Oracle' the
night before the interview - I almost didn't show up, then I decided I'd just
use it as interview experience since the building was on my way to
Nice :)
Sometimes a clean slate is the best to write on, though.
Jason Lemahieu wrote:
I STILL don't know how I got the job as a student. I knew ZERO html, ZERO
javascript, ZERO database stuff, and googled 'ColdFusion' and 'Oracle' the
night before the interview - I almost didn't show up,
It would be, but I have a feeling he hasn't changed. I mean, he was a
student intern and he was absolutely, 100% positive that he knew more than
me. Now, he couldn't explain his reasoning for his totally f'ed up,
completely not normalized, disaster of an ER diagram. But, he was damn sure
it was
Hell, at least you googled. More than can be said for some candidates.
;)
On 10/6/05, Jason Lemahieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I STILL don't know how I got the job as a student. I knew ZERO html, ZERO
javascript, ZERO database stuff, and googled 'ColdFusion' and 'Oracle' the
night before the
No shit! WTH?
Cheers!
-Kevin
On 10/6/05, Jason Lemahieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I STILL don't know how I got the job as a student. I knew ZERO html, ZERO
javascript, ZERO database stuff, and googled 'ColdFusion' and 'Oracle' the
night before the interview - I almost didn't show up, then I
Heh. We had a guy looking for a job the other day who walked in without
a resume. When I showed up looking for a job waiting tables, I took a
resume just in case. Am I the only one who likes to be wy
overprepared for that kind of thing?
--Ben
Jason Lemahieu wrote:
I STILL don't know
Some people don't really *want* a job, they just need to look for one
to keep collecting unemployment.
Ben Doom wrote:
Heh. We had a guy looking for a job the other day who walked in without
a resume. When I showed up looking for a job waiting tables, I took a
resume just in case. Am I
We never signed anything saying he had. So that's either not it, or
he's even dumber than I suspected.
When he later brought a resume by, the objective listed was to be in
Computer engineering or music education. I think the music education
will probably be a pass as well, considering he
How can it be illegal to point a cam out your window to monitor the
street traffic?
;-)
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: ahhhnewbies
LOL...not until I get some free legal
:)
Dawson, Michael wrote:
How can it be illegal to point a cam out your window to monitor the
street traffic?
;-)
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: ahhhnewbies
ray, i would love to be in that kids position.
give him a brake.
he's cocky young, he probably feels pretty good most the time..
do what you where asked to do.
mentor him.
you can do that in a very subtle way.
you know what.
he may become as good as you.
and if he does, that's cool as hell...
See, this is why for the first few months, the new manager here was
impressed by the fact that I wasn't a loudmouthed idiot. He had the
(quite reasonable) impression that those two adjectives could be applied
to basically anyone in their early 20's.
I'm in my 3rd year here, I'm the primary
Whelp, as his mentor, I'd say it's your job to set him straight.
take him aside, maybe over a welcome to the company beer (or your
beverage of choice), and gently lay down the law. At the same time,
see if you can get a read on what makes the guy tick, maybe delve into
the fearless wunderkind
I can't help other than say, I feel your pain, buddy!
We have two full-time web developers here. We have tried, on a few
occasions, to get some student workers to help with the mundane HTML as
you did.
To sum it up, we basically had to rewrite entire applications. We found
that student workers
Ray,
Teach the kid to use the validator as part of your standards.Let him
know that the first thing you are going to do is run his code through a
validator, so he might want to validate his code first.
You might point him towards section 508 accessibility standards as
another aspect of
My advice?
Be harsh.
Tell him almost exactly what you have vented here.
He is 21. You are his superior. Full stop.
Not saying be a bully - but tell him to calm it down.
That there is still many things he needs to learn.
It's great he is gung ho and eager - but he also needs to learn - and
that's
Erika L. Walker-Arnold wrote:
DO NOT under any circumstances let him diss any chosen languages used
by the company. If he cannot respect your methods or standards, then he
is not fit for the job that will be paying him beer money.
Heeheehee. Give him a wrench and tell him to fix smoething
I like it ;)
Dana
On 10/5/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erika L. Walker-Arnold wrote:
DO NOT under any circumstances let him diss any chosen languages used
by the company. If he cannot respect your methods or standards, then he
is not fit for the job that will be paying him beer
Better yet - set the youngin' down in front of vi and ask him to crank
out a valid xhtml spec document
watch him cry...
then laugh.
-Erik
Ben Doom wrote:
Heeheehee. Give him a wrench and tell him to fix smoething with screws.
When he asks for a screwdriver, tell him
Newbies often make the mistake of thinking that the speed with which
they complete a task is directly related to their level of skill.
They try to prove how smart they are by doing tasks as fast as they
possibly can, cutting any corner they can get away with to impress you
with their speed. It
They have a great way of dealing with this phenomenon in the NFL, especially
with the highly paid, highly touted skill players. It usually happens on the
first day of training camp (or the first day that said rookie reports to camp),
and it goes something like this. I'll use a wide receiver as
We had a student employee that was just the same. In the first week he kept
arguing about how to do DB design with Deanna. Ha! We booted him out of the
office.
Jason started with us as a student and while he was a smartass it was in a
good way and he always asked us how to do something if he
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