I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
friend who just passed their CCNP. Basically they
wanted to know if they should now remove the CCNA from
their resume or list both CCNA and CCNP.
I took the position that (as I do) the CCNP implies
the CCNA, and therefore one would only list t
I fall on the side that says; since CCNA is a prerequisite for CCNP, it should not be
listed.
Robert Padjen wrote:
> I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
> friend who just passed their CCNP. Basically they
> wanted to know if they should now remove the CCNA from
> their resume o
und though!
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From: Robert Padjen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:27 AM
Subject: Certifications on resumes
> I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
> friend who just passed their CCNP. Basica
Robert,
You will find that some jobs advertised in a way that they are looking for
people who are CCNA or CCIE ( so where is CCNP ) . It seems that some
recruitment agency do not know the difference between CCIE and CCNA. I will
put it the CCNA somewhere in your resume just to avoid that .
Robert
I've actually seen more than one post that said CCIE required, CCNA
preferred. Go figure.
In my experience, CCNP doesn't get a lot of play in HR departments. HR
recognizes CCNA, but doesn't understand CCNP.
I've also seen a fair number of recruiters/HR confuse CCNA with CNA.
Bottom line? I do
That sounds like a very good compromise. I think it is a good way to go.
Craig Columbus wrote:
> I've actually seen more than one post that said CCIE required, CCNA
> preferred. Go figure.
> In my experience, CCNP doesn't get a lot of play in HR departments. HR
> recognizes CCNA, but doesn'
ou want to make
sure that your resume pops up.
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From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:27 AM
Subject: Certifications on resumes
> I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
Unfortunately, I have found that a fair percentage of people making the
hiring decision don't know much about certifications, some know about CCIE
and not CCNA, a few know of the CCNA and not the CCIE, and CCNP is the least
known of the three. Yeah, it's redundant, but I've taken the +I off my MC
This is a good idea. You have to remember that the majority of people that
see your resume are non-technical people that are just matching acronymns
without any idea what they are. I had one recuiter look at my resume and
email back, "but do you have any experience with ISP". I explained what an
has any idea themselves.
>
>If you want to be 'the man', know your sh**, period. Save the letters for
>your resume.
>
>CCIE still rings a pretty sound though!
>
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I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
friend who just passed their CCNP. Basically they
wanted to
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This is a good idea. You have to remember that the majority of people that
see your resume are non-technical people that are just matching acronymns
without any
Padjen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Certifications on resumes
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:27:15 -0800 (PST)
>
>I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
>friend who just passed their CCNP. Basically they
>wanted to know if they should now
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> On my resume, I have listed all my exams and certifications. Fo
On the cover page, or under the resume "qualifications section", I will list
CCNP, CCDP (only the highest certifications received). Same goes for listing
MCSE and not MCP, or CNE and not CNA.
At the end, under education and certifications, I will list each
certification with the date it was compl
Me too, I sign my email CCNP,MCSE but on the last page of my resume, I have
the whole line in the order I got them.
MCP,MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCNP-Security and lately I end it, with Waiting for
CID Beta Results
I saw one listing in unix wildcard format, I think it was CC[ND][AP],
thought it was k
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Me too, I sign my email CCNP,MCSE but on the last page of my resume, I have
the whole line in the order I got them.
MCP,MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCNP-Security and lately I end it,
I received a recent email from Cisco regarding recertifications which basically said,
"higher level certifications negate the need to re-certify at the lower level".
Heather Buri
In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:09:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Michael
Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
;; Craig Columbus
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>
>
> I have done something similar as Ole,
>
> On my resume I have a section with a running history of exams
> passed and
> courses taken. If passing an exam completed a cer
u are applying for which will know the difference between a CCNA, CCNP and
CCIE, those are the people you need to impress.
>From: "Brian Lodwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Certifications on resumes
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Certifications on resumes
My only issue with this is I try and keep my resume itself to one lean, mean
page - though it sometimes goes over a little.
If I individually included the dozen MS exams I completed and the many
CompTIA exams I both took and acted as a SME
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Subject: Re: Certifications on resumes
Those people that know are the ones that have the final decision on whether
or not you get hired. That's all you need to know.
You may well find that most technical recruiters have no clue but they are
only there to get you into an interview. It is the IT
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>Subject: RE: Certifications on resumes
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:25:22 -0600
>
>You're right, but if the recruiter doesn't find you in the system when
>searching, the company will never get your resume, and you're back in [1].
>
>Ole
Yes, but what you fail to realize is that Recruiters
do not care about you nor do they even read your
resume most times. All they care about is stuffing
you into a job they think you are "Perfect" for simply
based on the fact that one word of your resume matches
whats on their client request.
Mo
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Robert Padjen
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Subject: Certifications on resumes
I was asked an interesting question this morning by a
friend who just passed their CCNP. Basically they
wanted to know if they should now remove the CCNA
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Yes, but what you fail to realize is that Recruiters
do not care about you nor do they even read your
resume most times. All they care about is stuffing
you into a job they think you
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Yes, but what you fail to realize is that Recruiters
do not care about you nor do they even read your
resume most times. All they care about is stuffing
you into a job they think you are "Perfect" for simply
based on the
od to understand.
>From: Brian Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Brian Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Certifications on resumes
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:26:36 -0500
>
>Can we ease a little on the HR recruiter bashing guys? There ar
Current CCNP keeps your CCNA current automatically. Current CCDP keeps your
CCNA/CCDA current automatically as well.
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Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
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that
a
> CCNA is a prerequist for a CCNP. So I would leave it on for that reason,
> also if someone does a resume search on monster for CCNA, you want to make
> sure that your resume pops up.
>
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> From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Enterprises, Inc.
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>From: Brandon Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> So remember to NOT include things that you may have completely forgotten,
> or are completely obsolete, when listing your skills.
>
> Examples: Arcnet, VMS, PDP-11, MS-DOS 3.3, X.25, Localtalk, LAT, XNS,
> Vines...
Hey!
I resemble that..
Vines is still a good cert on the resume up h
> > So remember to NOT include things that you may have completely forgotten,
>> or are completely obsolete, when listing your skills.
>>
>> Examples: Arcnet, VMS, PDP-11, MS-DOS 3.3, X.25, Localtalk, LAT, XNS,
>> Vines...
>
>
>Hey!
>
>I resemble that..
>
>Vines is still a good cert o
ne else want to chime in? Can we get a bell curve going on what the
average resume length is?
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From: Brandon Rose
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: Certifications on resumes
My only issue with this is I try and keep my resume its
nuary 26, 2001 6:25 PM
> To: cisco
> Subject: Resume Length (was: Certifications on resumes)
>
>
> You bring up an interesting topic. I try to keep mine under *four* pages!
> ;-) Why four? I dunno, just seemed like a good number, I guess.
> I had one
> guy ask me, way bac
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Bradley J. Wilson wrote:
> You bring up an interesting topic. I try to keep mine under *four* pages!
> ;-) Why four? I dunno, just seemed like a good number, I guess. I had one
> guy ask me, way back when I was starting out: "Your resume's only *one
> page*??" Guess it k
Size of my resume is 3 Pages. 3 is not my lucky no...
Tariq
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From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 26 January, 2001 7:09 AM
To: Bradley J. Wilson
Cc: cisco
Subject: Re: Resume Length (was: Certifications on resumes)
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Bradley J
I made mine in HTML with links to the various parts on the top of the
page, so it can be as long as I think it need be, while at the same time
being Fast & Easy to read (tm). Luckily, I don't get people asking me
for the word version nowadays.
Francisco.
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Size of my resume is 3 Pages. 3 is not my lucky no...
Tariq
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I use 2 versions, one online, and the other I try to keep at 3 pages, though
as time moves on, will probably go to 4 or 5...
Brant I. Stevens
Internetwork Solutions Engineer
Thrupoint, Inc.
545 Fifth Av
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> Subject: RE: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> resumes)
>
>
> I use 2 versions, one online, and the other I try to
> keep at 3 pages, though
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11:38 PM
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I think that having two version of your resume is more
common these days - fancy formatting for print and
ASCII for eMail, etc. I
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> Robert Padjen
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> Subject: RE: Resume Length (was: Certifications on
> resumes)
>
>
> I think
: Resume Length (was: Certifications on resumes)
I fail to see how your reply relates to my post, and I
would agree with the generic position that the resume
will not garner the offer - however, I've gotten
offers on resume alone for contracts, and I've
rejected a number of otherwise fine
k resume, but you will be
working from a position of weakness and it will be
almost impossible to recover.
>
>
>
> >From: "Lou Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Lou Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Lou Nelson" <[EM
All you people should bickering about resumes should go and read
everything there is at http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/ . Resumes are
irrelevent!
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