Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 31 Jan 2009 - Special issue (#2009-118)

2009-01-31 Thread Eric S. Sande
Could you recommend an anti-virus/firewall/security package for my >new computer that does not take up a huge amount of memory but is >effective? What operatimg system are you running? * ** List info, subscription managem

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 31 Jan 2009 - Special issue (#2009-118)

2009-01-31 Thread DIANE Dorius
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Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
He just said they should spread it around as I recall. On Jan 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said any such thing... *

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
The tax code should be for raising necessary funds for the operation of government. Clean, simple, fair. I do not mind progressive taxation if you mean those with more pay for more of what the government provides, and they consume. I object if you mean take from A to transfer to B for no

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
Who gets to determine what we deserve? If I can lawfully pay for it, and you can lawfully provide it, what should prevent us from making a deal? On Jan 31, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: One of the things socialism does interfere with is the concept of I want what I want w

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It has everything with who the primary producer of wealth is. You have to get past this notion that all the toys belong to you. You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Ah a high level civil servant being a horses butt. Yeah same story thinks they have more power than they really do. Unfortunately we seem to clone tons of those folks. Stewart At 11:05 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Actually, that was the Deputy Director - the Director was a political appointmen

Re: [CGUYS] political discussion

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Yes, this is true. Welcome to the new world. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Tony B wrote: Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at

Re: [CGUYS] political discussion

2009-01-31 Thread Eric S. Sande
Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). No shortage. But as Tom mentioned, we all know each other pretty well here. I pretty much can expect to hear diverse poi

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Jordan wrote: Matthew Taylor wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jordan wrote: John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Jeez, that's a buy! $3.33/pack? You'd be selling them left and right illegally here in Washington. On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Cigarettes 10.95 a triple pack (Marlboro, what my son smokes) Alcohol is a similar story to yours. State stores, lousy hours, high

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Matthew Taylor
Actually, that was the Deputy Director - the Director was a political appointment by the governor. Nothing short of going back to court, at heavy expense in time and money, could have moved him. They do not like to loose. Matthew On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

[CGUYS] political discussion

2009-01-31 Thread Tony B
Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > No, I'm fond of political discussion, when not out of control. > This

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Cigarettes 10.95 a triple pack (Marlboro, what my son smokes) Alcohol is a similar story to yours. State stores, lousy hours, high prices. Plus 9% sales tax. Stewart At 10:26 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: But feel thankful you aren't paying what smokers are. That 72/month would be more

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Please bring it to my attention the next time a politician compliments a colleague and means it. And by that I mean, beyond being a self serving voice box. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:11 PM, John Emmerling wrote: Please bring it to my attention the next time a US politician calls a coll

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
But feel thankful you aren't paying what smokers are. That 72/month would be more like 400/month. I haven't even talked about alcohol prices here. A friend just came back from Nevada. A 1/2 gallon of whiskey cost him about $11. Here it's double that, depending on the brand. Then it's tripl

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Hey I can sing in that key! Stewart At 10:25 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: What, you mean actually get on topic? And miss my deathless prose? What is this key of which you speak, "Delete"? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, A

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
No, I'm fond of political discussion, when not out of control. This is one of the few groups I've found that allows it. At least to a certain extent. The delete key is easy. The past has shown not knowing or hearing or listening to others is or can be very hard. Oh wait, we aren't talking ab

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know it is part of our mentality to think Socialism=Evil and bad. Does not always mean it is true. Sometimes 1+1 does equal 3 or in some extreme cases 10. Stewart At 10:11 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Please bring it to my attention the next time a US politician calls a colleague a "socialis

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Eric S. Sande
God in heaven people. If nobody can bring this thread back around to something remotely related to computers, then can we just kill it already? I'm getting tired of hitting my Delete key. What, you mean actually get on topic? And miss my deathless prose? What is this key of which you speak, "D

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
> The change in position you cite, was not part of his campaign as he > already had the nomination locked up last July Oh, I thought that there was still an election he was campaigning for. :) The fact of the matter is, you really can't say "Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread John Emmerling
Please bring it to my attention the next time a US politician calls a colleague a "socialist" and means it as a compliment! On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I for one do not mind a little bit of socialism. It sometimes is the only > way p

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
You're correct. Most in the US hate the term "socialism". Even though most don't have a clue as to what it really is. The US is already mostly a socialist society. Try living without your police force, fire fighters, public hospitals, sewer systems, irrigation, etc. The list just goes on a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
They already do. That is why a 39.95 a month plan ends up costing 50.00 a month. That is why my 60.00 am month landline phone bill cost 72.00 a month. It is mainly taxes and fees. Stewart At 09:52 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Dang, that's cheap! Here in Yakima Wa. it's about triple th

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tony B
God in heaven people. If nobody can bring this thread back around to something remotely related to computers, then can we just kill it already? I'm getting tired of hitting my Delete key. * ** List info, subscription managem

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Eric S. Sande
That is a problem in many of those countries. Trying tog et them at least a century or two beyond where they are today. What countries? Afghanistan has a central government with a Taliban and Al-Qaida insurgency problem. That many of the insurgents are led by what we'd consider warlords doesn

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
> Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from > the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. If you've got a > plumbing business, you're gonna be better off if you're gonna be better > off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire > you, > and rig

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Dang, that's cheap! Here in Yakima Wa. it's about triple that. But a 3500 square foot home costs about 300K. I guess it all works its way out in the end. And they are thinking about raising the cigarette tax again here in Washington. A pack already costs about 5.50. I truly can't see how p

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I for one do not mind a little bit of socialism. It sometimes is the only way people get what they really need. Having lived under the socialistic health system of Canada for a few years I can tell you it is not bad. My in-laws still live there and get real good health care, free prescriptio

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread John Emmerling
Having just read the entire "Joe the Plumber" quote for the first time, the impression I get is he was saying that the economy functions best when there is prosperity at all levels. However, the phrase "spread the wealth around", when taken out of context, does sound like socialism (which we in the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
And if he is using the tax code for wealth redistribution, I think that's a good thing. And it's about God damn time! The extremely wealthy wouldn't be wealthy if it weren't for the rest of us. But like I said earlier, history has a tendency to repeat itself. And I doubt that will ever rea

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Alabama. Property tax on a 300K house in town I live in would be maybe $1400 a year. Most towns in the area, would be less than a $1000.00. If it were in the county, maybe $500.00 Stewart At 09:03 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Where's "down here"? And yes, I did mean 400k. That's the a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Where's "down here"? And yes, I did mean 400k. That's the average price for the 5 bedroom home I was talking about up here. Up here is Washington state east of the cascade mountains. That means, not in the Seattle area. Of course, who'd want to live there? My son lives in San Diego. They'v

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is a problem in many of those countries. Trying tog et them at least a century or two beyond where they are today. Most of them are little more than Feudal Lord mentality. The Lord's love that as it keeps them in power. The people under them are somewhat clueless as the Feudal Lord lov

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
I agree with your analysis. John Emmerling wrote: The situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan is very complicated. When campaigning, the president had to present a simplified view of this, so as to not leave the electorate behind. However I do believe he and his staff grasp the subtleties as lea

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
The reason the Obama campaign got so upset about Joe the Plumber was that Obama told him: Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’re gonna be bett

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
I agree that is a major problem there. I heard one analyst today on CSPAN Book TV say that we would be lucky if we could drag that country out of the 17th century into the 19th Same analyst made your point and also included the western provinces of Pakistan which are also not under the control

Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Google borked this AM. They say someone made a single typo. Wow, I did not expect things to be so fragile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
The hasty withdrawal I was thinking of was back in 2007 in the bill he proposed in the senate: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00433:@@@D&summ2=m&; Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 - States that: (1) U.S. Armed Forces levels in Iraq after the date of enactment of this Act shal

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
History has a tendency of repeating itself. It seems only the music changes. Whichever country we're in when it comes to the middle east, it doesn't seem to matter. If you're there, you're in a mess. So, you have to decide. You either get dirty or you bury your head in the sand and preten

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread John Emmerling
The situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan is very complicated. When campaigning, the president had to present a simplified view of this, so as to not leave the electorate behind. However I do believe he and his staff grasp the subtleties as least as well as you or I. I would like to think they w

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Kind of like here with the bail out? Screw up the world...GIVE THEM A BONUS!!! On Jan 31, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yeah but most of the people here are anti death penalty. In China those are mostly show executions. I bet the folks really responsible got off scot fr

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Eric S. Sande
And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! That's something we could consider doing instead of throwing money at our problems. Doesn't have to be the death penalty, though. We're using excessive carrots and not enough sticks, IMHO. **

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
If I understand correctly Afghanistan is much more tribal than Iraq, and has a very weak central government. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afg

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You must live down here. A 5 BDRM 3 Car garage in Californian is way over a million. 400K (which what I think you meant) would buy you a starter home 2 BDM 1 BT house in many areas of California. That is what the folks who work at McDonalds were expected to buy. :-) Down here you can get a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I realize its been only a week plus, but Obama hasn't said anything about changing the Status of Forces agreement that Bush negotia

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yeah but most of the people here are anti death penalty. In China those are mostly show executions. I bet the folks really responsible got off scot free, and probably got a promotion too. Stewart At 07:24 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the m

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, I find myself agreeing with the PC guy! Home buyers victims of the evil banks? Give me a break. Oh wait, that's what the "victims" want for their own stupidity. Let me see if I get this strait. If I work at McDonalds and make $11/hr. I can afford a $4k, 5 bedroom home with a 3 car gar

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Many eastern religions have a fatalistic approach to things. They do not provide as much to the poor because that is the way God meant it to be. Even in Islam they are only to provide alms (I am not sure of the amount but there is no provision such as in Christianity) And in Jewish teachings

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said >that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said >any such thing... A common tactic of the cuckoo media. They have figured out that their audience is weak on crucial life skills. So they take a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! Jordan wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care

Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Wright
Google borked this AM. http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/01/google-broke-the-internet-malwa re-detector-went-haywire.ars > -Original Message- > I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to > Windows. > Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): >

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Wright
> You keep on and on, again and again, cherry picking and ignoring the > full > picture so you can make more bizarre points. "You should not buy a house that you cannot afford." Dear god, you're right, the crazy in that sentence practically strangles you as you read it. > When someone goes to b

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
> So you agree with Bush on the unwinding of the Iraq war, that it should > be done responsibly, not the hasty withdrawal that Obama campaigned on. What hasty withdrawal? Here is what Obama said in an NYT op-ed last July: "As I've said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach. If you can't see the difference that is another life skill you need to work on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, pri

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Wright
> Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the > big > picture. I cherry picked nothing, which would be tough if I did seeing that I was giving a very broad and general overview. How exactly do you cherry pick for a 10,000 foot view? > The major part of the housing crisi

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Before you think I am biased in one way or another I am not. Me too! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county >virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, >or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo >wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all >

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
> > Giving a poor person a hand up becomes "income > > redistribution." > This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When > the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. This is true. And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jordan
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jordan
I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure what countries you are referring to. Not that you need my endorsement, but one of the things that the truly religious have traditionally done is provide help for the poor. "As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me" Then th

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread John Emmerling
Yes, Tom, I truly hope you are right. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > Yes that too, but the question being asked was about religion. Big > picture it is a big mess. Mitchell has proved his ability to navagate > around such a mess when he was successful in N Ireland. Everyon

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread rleesimon
it's an obamarama! -Original Message- From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: "HOME" OWNERSHIP tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. a

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
So you agree with Bush on the unwinding of the Iraq war, that it should be done responsibly, not the hasty withdrawal that Obama campaigned on. Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach. Tom Piwowar wrote: As for looking for another war, it is Obama who campaigne

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What investigation? The Dems are in charge now so the only ones who will be investigated with be the republicans. Don't you just love how our system works? Before you think I am biased in one way or another I am not. Went to a local informational meeting for our local school district about

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Steve at Verizon
One such company is now owned by BA called Country Wide. Who had special interest rates for powerful congressmen who regulate them. Does anyone know where the Senate Ethics Committee is on the investigation of Chris Dodd? **

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I prefer to help those who need it than do what many eastern countries do. Nothing. Stewart At 03:48 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall ma

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Jordan
Giving a poor person a hand up becomes "income redistribution." This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. * ** List info, s

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou

2009-01-31 Thread mike
You know I knew when I asked I'd not get an answer...not sure why I bothered hitting send. And you are correct you wrote 'about the only company', but everyone knows how you like to twist stuff so I'm not too worried about omitting the about. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread gerald
tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. and is now owned by fnm. she upped the mortgage and took the cash to get a better house.(the house was valued around 225-250k). i do not know what she purcha

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In many cases it was a shrinking of the market and falling prices. People bet on an increasing market frenzy and got in over their heads, I guess. Stewart At 03:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In this case it is becoming clear. There was some criminal activity done by some folks at the plant. (shopping for test results to get product out etc.) Agencies not communicating with others (Shipment rejected at border) And a desire for profits at all costs. The criminal activity no matte

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
> Only MS? I did not write "only MS." But I knew that would pique your interest. You got to earn another 59¢. > In what way? You need to pay better attention. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archiv

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by >Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off >something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate >with others. Or were told not to respond. The situation with the EEOC under Bush is highly

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread Fred Holmes
At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: >Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing >property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get >whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? >Something else must have happened to cause t

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A.
Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE You can believe the myths you want. However, there is NO data to substantiate your allegations. The dat

Re: [CGUYS] Quitting Google [Was: Corporate Chaos

2009-01-31 Thread mike
My brother in law quit google about six months ago...he and his GF moved back to Phoenix...his GF in particular said google was, and I quote, 'weird' and 'elitist'. Course this is just anecdotal. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-g

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>As for the Middle East, the way to achieve what's been achieved there is not >through religious zealotry, but through decades of foreign imperialism, >realpolitik, and proxy warfare. In almost no time, you'll have'm clinging >to their guns and bibles (qur'ans, torahs) for comfort. Yes that too,

Re: [CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm >pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 "home" loans. takes a >very divided family to need 4 "homes". this stuff belonged to either >speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their

[CGUYS] Quitting Google [Was: Corporate Chaos

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ > >http://advice.cio.com/meridith_levinson/lessons_learned_from_people_whove_ >quit_google I would not want to work with most of these whiners. Most seemed overly concerned with job perks. One complained that if he stayed for a free

[CGUYS] "HOME" OWNERSHIP

2009-01-31 Thread gerald
> >I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard for them >and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come down on the swindlers >who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. wrong wrong wrong. a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are n

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread John Emmerling
This sort of hijacking has also occurred right here at home. Recent events have given me hope that this trend is coming to an end. The current occupant strikes me as an excellent example of someone who is devout and rational at the same time. (disclaimer: I am extremely secular and poorly qualifi

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. T

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
So does God just ask Noah! :-) Stewart At 02:36 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I wrote "if" because God got good marks in kindergarden. Matthew 22:21. Note that Jesus also called his questioners hypocrites. That guy had a temper. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of P

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Theologically we are just stewards of what God has given us. I wrote "if" because God got good marks in kindergarden. Matthew 22:21. Note that Jesus also called his questioners hypocrites. That guy had a temper. * ** Lis

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At one time they were needed to get music out. It is no longer needed. Institutions struggle with the problem of existence. Once an institution comes into existence it will try and justify it's existence even when it is no longer viable. I could name a few other things that come to mind, bu

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is all about power and retaliation. What many folks do not know is that many Israeli's are not religious Israeli's. The conservative Rabbi's rail against this all the time. In Islam there is no central authority and many of the Rabid Radical Imam's disagree with the highly moderate Imam's

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>What is going on in Zimbabwe is just this side of ultimate chaos. It >is sad that one mad man can destroy a single nation and not one >neighbor nation calls it for what it is. (It is a dictatorship by a >lunatic.) That is what limited government looks like. Ditto for Somalia. I call them a

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou

2009-01-31 Thread mike
Only MS? In what way? On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Hopefully this can get us back on track. The RIAA not wanting the case > >heard in the public eye? > > I think we are approaching the end of an era. It is unfortunate for the > music cartel that in the intervening yea

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Hopefully this can get us back on track. The RIAA not wanting the case >heard in the public eye? I think we are approaching the end of an era. It is unfortunate for the music cartel that in the intervening years they have not put in the effort to develop a new business model. These days about

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread mike
What you mean is selection of dishonesty. The senate in their own words, no deception needed, just two open eyes. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg > > Dishonest selection of sound clips. When the neocons were speaking of > "regul

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>As for looking for another war, it is Obama who campaigned on moving all >of our troops out of Iraq into Afghanistan, where the real war is. He >also stated that he would attack Taliban within the borders of Pakistan, >and, as president, he has continued the practice of drones firing >missiles

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The hardest hit areas tended to be the coasts and close areas where housing prices escalated to the sky. We have had some where I live but not nearly the amount on the east or west coast. I will also note our standard of living is way below either of the coasts also. The minimum wage is the

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I don't think it's rational to view life through a "God" lens, or make >decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. Again an inability to make the necessary distinctions to successfully navagate life. The problem in the Middle East is extremeists who have hijacke

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom I can give you the theological argument on why that could be true. Theologically we are just stewards of what God has given us. Anytime you want to delve into theology would be glad to. :-) Stewart At 01:49 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Think of it another way. If what you stated were true y

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread mike
Smart enough to help get us here, you should try watching all the cspan videos of Barney Frank sputtering about how he can't understand how fannie and freddie ever happened with him at the helm. He's real funny. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > > > > These organizations ha

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg Dishonest selection of sound clips. When the neocons were speaking of "regulation" they were seeking to tilt the mortgage business more in favor of their clients, the Wall Street banks. If they had succeeded the current mess would have probably come s

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard >for them and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come >down on the swindlers who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. Thank you. *

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-01-31 Thread Tom Piwowar
>It has everything with who the primary producer of wealth is. You have to get past this notion that all the toys belong to you. Your kindergarden teacher is going to send a note to your parents that you do not play well with others. I know this is going to be a hard breakthrough for you, but o

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