On Fri 02 Jul 2021 at 11:09:58 +0100, Brian wrote:
> Indeed. Apologies, Felix.
Having said that, perhaps installing in the same way as two other
users have idicaated would allow you to make a useful contriburion
without having to rely on memory.
--
Brian.
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:24:12 +0100, Brian wrote:
[..]
> on the system. So...a D-I bug?
Quite possibly, but my involvement with it ends here. Others can
pursue it in a suitable report.
Note that the installation with "recommends=false" still sets up
the system not to install recommended
On Fri 02 Jul 2021 at 04:55:04 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/01/2021 04:52 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> >
> > > Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100):
> > >
> > > > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > >
On 07/01/2021 04:52 PM, Brian wrote:
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100):
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100):
>
> > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>
> >> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe
Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100):
> On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also
>> tasks=standard
>
On 07/01/2021 11:40 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
I don't recall just when I
did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
the command
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
>
> > Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>
> >>> I don't recall just when I
> >>> did it but I had tried including
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>>> I don't recall just when I
>>> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
>>> the command line. It failed.
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 08:00:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/30/2021 01:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
> >
> > > I don't recall just when I
> > > did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
> > > the
On 06/30/2021 01:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
I don't recall just when I
did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
the command line. It failed.
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> > There are a bunch of loonies out there who don't like other
> > people based on gender, sex, skin color, religion, geography, or
> > merely the fact that their computer is unsecured.
> >
>
> Thanks, I didn't know the word loonies applied to
Hi,
> If I'm asking for help, I don't want to hear "try this, it's
> dangerous" unless all other possibilities have been exhausted.
>
> If you want to start a thread "dangerous things to do to risk
> your data", that's fine.
Would you be stuck in something like YOU = ALL OTHER BEING ?
Can you
Hi,
>
>
> And there's most people on earth who don't give a minute thinking about
> this.
>
> Ask any business manager, he doesn't give much interest in his computer
> installation, as long one thing goes, what is it ? That the system
> permit core operation for the company and profit
Hi,
Note :
Sorry Andrei if this message may seem to be wrote directly to you
because in fact it's written to all the "you" around who may feel
concerned. You got a direct reply because I was replying to your
message. Again, this could be something not to be done.
On 2021-06-30 7:58 p.m., Andrei
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 11:44:42, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> Now here's what will amaze you...
> You can do the same with a computer.
> Take risk...
> Make your computer unusable...
Sure, it's a great learning experience.
> Type "alias cd=rm -rf"
In my opinion it's generally a bad
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 11:02:43, Thompson, Brian wrote:
>
> Is this mailing list usually used for philosophical debates, persuasion, and
> primitive name-calling? Genuinely curious so that I can unsub if it is.
It happens more or less every time during the freeze, as there are less
problems to
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 05:57:19, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >
> > On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can only hope that one day someone
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 23:40:54 +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-30 18:56, Brian wrote:
>
> > > "f" word is very ancient English word which gives added emphasis
> > > especially
> > > when unexpected
> > > Doesn't bother me but as you say is inappropriate on mailing list
> > > and I'm
> > >
On 2021-06-30 18:56, Brian wrote:
"f" word is very ancient English word which gives added emphasis
especially
when unexpected
Doesn't bother me but as you say is inappropriate on mailing list and
I'm
sure it's a one-off.
It is inappropriate anywhere in public. You are not bothered by this?
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 08:43:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/26/2021 01:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 06/26/2021 12:31 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
> > > initial system without Recommends:
> >
>
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 09:33:37 -0400
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> There's a old saying that state :
> "Give someone a fish, feed him for the day, teach him how to fish,
> feed him for life".
>
> That must be something that doesn't apply anymore.
It never did. The second clause is
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:27:16 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
[...]
> There are a bunch of loonies...
A very nineteenth centrury word. This bunch of people have views that
are due to some mental illness? Maybe a touch of empathy would not go
unnoticed.
[...]
--
Brian.
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
> I don't recall just when I
> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
> the command line. It failed.
>
I start most
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > For people that I consider part of my community, I feel a higher
> > standard of care is in order.
> >
> Haven't you ever tried to think of computing as a "no risk involved"
> possibility ?
>
> If I accept that I may risk rendering the system
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 13:31:37 +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y
> > >
> > > That was the fucking point.
> >
> > Calm down.
Hi,
On 2021-06-30 11:59 a.m., Dan Ritter wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Now here's what will amaze you...
>> You can do the same with a computer.
>> Take risk...
>> Make your computer unusable...
>> Type "alias cd=rm -rf"
>> Open all the ports and get hacked.
>> Open all the
On 30 Jun 2021, at 10:44, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
Hi,
To summarize, there are basically two sane approaches to remote X
clients:
"Two sane approach" ?
Okay, there's only two approach YOU believe in.
That's it.
There's at least a dozen of way to install a X11 network
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Now here's what will amaze you...
> You can do the same with a computer.
> Take risk...
> Make your computer unusable...
> Type "alias cd=rm -rf"
> Open all the ports and get hacked.
> Open all the ports and not get hacked.
> Take risk and loose not much
Hi,
>
> To summarize, there are basically two sane approaches to remote X clients:
>
"Two sane approach" ?
Okay, there's only two approach YOU believe in.
That's it.
There's at least a dozen of way to install a X11 network system.
You don't have any a power to judge other than your own self.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:07:24AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:35:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > BTW: the problematic thing is called "xhost +", not "xhost +x", which
> > won't work...
> >
> > tomas@trotzki:~$ xhost + x
> > xhost: bad hostname "x"
> >
>
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:35:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> BTW: the problematic thing is called "xhost +", not "xhost +x", which
> won't work...
>
> tomas@trotzki:~$ xhost + x
> xhost: bad hostname "x"
>
> ...unless there's a host in your network named "x" :-)
xhost was mentioned
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 09:16:37AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
[...]
> I didn't have in mind any type of murder or long lasting damage of any soft.
Still, it's a pretty violent metaphor, I think we can agree on that.
And perhaps somewhat off-tone for a mailing list with
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 09:33:37AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
[...]
> I was the stupid and dumb person who started talking about "the classic
> way" of authentication using X11.
Uh, whatever. I don't think you're stupid. I don't think *you* think
you're stupid. So I'm
On 06/26/2021 01:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 06/26/2021 12:31 PM, David Wright wrote:
[snip]
I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
initial system without Recommends:
That is EXPLICITLY my goal. I vaguely recall attempting to follow some
suggestions which
On 2021-06-30 at 09:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-30 5:57 a.m., The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Yes, whatever great idea you have, even if others are wrong in
>>> what they say. Nothing justify being
Hi,
On 2021-06-30 5:59 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y
>>
>> That was the fucking point.
>
> Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart,
> but there's no need to
Hi,
On 2021-06-30 5:57 a.m., The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>
>>> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>
I can only hope that one day someone
On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
[...]
DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y
That was the fucking point.
Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart,
but there's no need to be so vitriolic and
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
[...]
> DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y
>
> That was the fucking point.
Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart,
but there's no need to be so vitriolic and borderline
insulting about it.
There are nicer
On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>
>>> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a
>>> shovel in the face because
On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>
>>> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a
>>> shovel in the face because
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:23:49AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>
> >> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in
> >>
Hi,
On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>
>> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in
>> the face because you said something wrong. This will be a great day and
>> you'll get back what
On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in
> the face because you said something wrong. This will be a great day and
> you'll get back what you serve to others.
Seriously?
> This is a figure of
On Ma, 29 iun 21, 04:56:55, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> On 2021-06-28 11:13 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > (Avoid ANY proposed solution that talks about xhost. Seriously.)
> >
> Yes, solutions using xhost maybe a bit a pain in the ass but they are
> also some of the nice one
Hi my friend,
On 2021-06-29 4:58 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:46:48PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
>> I've read back the whole series of message and no one ever said anything
>> that is somewhat possible to be interpreted as
>> using xhost +x with
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:46:48PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> I've read back the whole series of message and no one ever said anything
> that is somewhat possible to be interpreted as
> using xhost +x with SSH -X
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/06/msg00900.html
Hi,
>> that's how you learned things back in the early 1990s, that's your right,
>> but I hope you will at least point out how INCREDIBLY INSECURE this is,
>
> I never said in no situation something like "use xhost +".
> The same way as I never said to unblock all the ports on your router or
> to
Hi,
On 2021-06-29 2:43 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y
>
> That was the fucking point.
WoW...
Take it *easy* there...
> Now, if you want to advocate that people should use xhost + because
I never talked about xhost myself.
And the only thing I said was that
Jesus h
Em 29 de junho de 2021 15:58:49 BRT, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
escreveu:
>On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> > On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater
>wrote:
>> > >> ssh -Y is similar to
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > >> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have
> > >> to use xhost+ or
> On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> >> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have
> >> to use xhost+ or similar.
> >
> > You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not
Hi,
On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have
>> to use xhost+ or similar.
>
> You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not explicitly.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have
> to use xhost+ or similar.
You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not explicitly.
ssh takes care of that for you.
In fact, on Debian, ssh
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:13:53PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-29 5:52 a.m., IL Ka wrote:
> >
> >
> > There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the
> > subject "X11 architecture" or something similar.
> >
> > There is a
Hi,
On 2021-06-29 5:52 a.m., IL Ka wrote:
>
>
> There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the
> subject "X11 architecture" or something similar.
>
> There is a classic "Definitive Guides to the X Window System" series.
>
>
>
>
> There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the
> subject "X11 architecture" or something similar.
>
> There is a classic "Definitive Guides to the X Window System" series.
https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-windows-system/9780937175835/
Also
Hi,
On 2021-06-28 11:13 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46:01PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
>> On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine with plenty of RAM
>>> and CPU power to run Mate,
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46:01PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote:
> > I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine with plenty of RAM
> > and CPU power to run Mate, but located in a locked building on the other
> > side of
Hi,
On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>>> X clients like MATE don't directly depend on an X server, because in
>>> theory, the X server could be on a different machine.
>
> I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> > X clients like MATE don't directly depend on an X server, because in
> > theory, the X server could be on a different machine.
I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine with plenty of RAM and
CPU power to run Mate, but
On Sun 27 Jun 2021 at 08:33:58 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>
> On 6/27/21 7:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 07:31:57AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> > > On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > One paragraph of "Debian
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 08:33:58AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>
> On 6/27/21 7:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > You also need to install "xorg", which will bring in the X server and
> > various utilities to make it run, including startx (which is in the
> > xinit package, which is a direct
On 6/27/21 7:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 07:31:57AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 07:31:57AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>
> On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:
> > On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
> > > grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
> > >
> >
On 6/27/21 12:29 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
Install only the standard system utilities with the installer,
and then once you have a
On 06/27/2021 02:29 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
Install only the standard system utilities with the installer,
and then once you have a
On 2021-06-25, Richard Owlett wrote:
> One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
> grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
>
Install only the standard system utilities with the installer,
and then once you have a core system up and running install
On 06/26/2021 12:31 PM, David Wright wrote:
[snip]
I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
initial system without Recommends:
That is EXPLICITLY my goal. I vaguely recall attempting to follow some
suggestions which didn't end well ;{
On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 04:49:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/25/2021 04:06 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief.
> > > It is part of "6.3.5.
On 06/25/2021 04:06 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief.
It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
That paragraph states:
When packages are installed
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief.
> It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
>
> That paragraph states:
> > When packages are installed using the package management system, it
No need for CC: as I'm subscribed to debian-user
On 06/25/2021 08:53 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
system.
I believe changing one
Richard Owlett wrote:
> I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
> stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
> system.
>
> I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and
> likely satisfy the maintainers
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me
grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
That paragraph states:
When packages are installed using the package management system, it will
by default also install packages that are recommended by those
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