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Garren Smith commented on COUCHDB-2044:
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This sounds like a great idea. If you
Hi Noah and Benoit,
I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and
I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project
regarding communication and organization. But what I feel right here is,
that Benoit feels kind of unheard and Noah doesn't want
I think we should move the following email to the commits list:
- Wiki diffs
- Jira email
And possibly also:
- Github-generated email
IMO it would be best if the dev@ list was mostly used for human
discussion only, making it easier to digest for casual contributors.
If people want the
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote:
Hi Noah and Benoit,
I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and
I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project
regarding communication and organization. But what I feel
What about Review Board notifications?
My only concern is that conversation is happening in PRs, Review Board
emails, JIRA comments and so on.
If we move them to commits@ can we be sure that these things won't be
forgotten about?
Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an experiment?
You mean, trying it out for a few weeks?
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Garren Smith gar...@apache.org wrote:
Benoit, Andy and Noah
Benoit has been the only one to raise an objection to this, so can we not
assume that everyone else is ok with this? If so can we move on.
no i am not:
Nick North nort...@gmail.com
11:34 AM (22
Let's talk about that hostility. This email thread is an example of
that hostility. And what appears to be a knee-jerk over-reaction on my
part is my learnt reaction to this hostility.
To make it clear: CouchDB is paralysed. The PMC is paralysed. And it
has been for a long time. It seems we are
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be in favour of keeping the number of lists small until it becomes clear
that some topic needs to spin off into its own list. While the volume of
marketing emails is low, it's not hard for devs who aren't that interested
I'd probably try it for a quarter.
On 4 February 2014 09:37, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an experiment?
You mean, trying it out for a few weeks?
We should have some success/failure criteria?
Success:
- Conversion continued to happen around JIRA
- PRs were not ignored (any more so than they already are)
- Review Board threads were not ignored
Failure:
- Participation/review frequency dropped noticeably
On 4 February 2014 09:37,
+1 to all that, Noah. I can only imagine what this looks like to casual readers.
Few things require unanimity and this is not one of them.
The reason I’ve stayed quiet on the proposal is that while I don’t feel
strongly for it, I don’t feel strongly against it. It’s not my time or effort
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Also no formal ask about this mailing-list has been done in its own
thread. Which I request.
This is it. I've already done that. We're on that thread.
No you sent a notice about its creation. Which is a way different.
We came to an agreement on what [NOTICE] means in this thread:
http://markmail.org/message/o27dls6t3pqtxjew
The first paragraph in this thread was:
This is a notice that I am going to assume lazy consensus on the
proposal to create a marketing@ list. If you have a formal objection
to raise,
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote:
+1 to all that, Noah. I can only imagine what this looks like to casual
readers.
Few things require unanimity and this is not one of them.
The reason I've stayed quiet on the proposal is that while I don't feel
Benoit, it's not that you're the bad guy for disagreeing. The
problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy.
This has been a problem for a long time now.
As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get out of this mindset that
unanimity is required to proceed on any action. You
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Benoit, it's not that you're the bad guy for disagreeing. The
problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy.
This has been a problem for a long time now.
As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get
PS I don't want to be seen as filibustering here so, if people consider this to
be a waste of time, I'm +1 on creating the list if the people who want to do
the work want it. (Even though it's not my own inclination.)
Nick
On 4 Feb 2014, at 17:30, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote:
I don't see why the idea needs that much momentum behind it to get a pass
/ why there's so much inertia to do nothing new.
Try it, see what happens, mailing lists can always be deleted.
B.
I am not sure we
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm probably going to regret jumping into this, especially as I'm
modifying my earlier view a bit, but how about getting some objectivity by
basing a decision on whether to go ahead on the record of the other
spin-off lists
Nick, I don't think you are filibustering. You raise a good point that
has not come up yet.
Namely: what do we consider to be the success criteria of mailing
lists? And perhaps more importantly: what are the failure criteria?
Here's my attempt at answering those questions.
Success criteria:
-
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Nick, I don't think you are filibustering. You raise a good point that
has not come up yet.
actually I already raised it. And took the Erlang ml as an example of a
very little traffic list. The advocacy list on postgresql,
Ashley,
Splitting this off to get back to what we were talking about. :)
On 2 February 2014 17:11, Ashley Parkes ash...@ashleyparkes.com wrote:
Sounds awesome!!
Twitter - Facebook: you first connect it to your main profile, then it gives
you the option to reconnect it to a Page you manage.
On 4 February 2014 11:45, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Success criteria:
- The mailing lists are occasionally used, and when questions are
posted there, replies are received.
- People who might not otherwise have been active start to become active.
Failure criteria:
- Mails
I agree.
If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go
ignored, we should can the list.
You requested examples:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-marketing/
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-marketing/
Andy, how about two review dates?
On 4 February 2014 12:00, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
I agree.
If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go
ignored, we should can the list.
You requested examples:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-marketing/
Oops.
See the email I just sent: GitHub, Git, and contributor workflows
Also, interested to her what Humbedooh thinks about this. CCed him.
On 23 January 2014 16:31, Benjamin Young byo...@bigbluehat.com wrote:
I had the good fortune of being in the #couchdb-meeting channel yesterday
when the
+1
On 04 Feb 2014, at 1:04 PM, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote:
On 4 February 2014 12:00, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
I agree.
If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go
ignored, we should can the list.
You requested examples:
Official LinkedIn page coming up tonight then; or if anyone is opposed, just
-1 in the meantime! If anyone else ought to be added as manager of that or
the Facebook page let me know.
Ashley
Sent from my iPhone
Thanks Dirkjan,
Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)?
Thanks,
Nicolas
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote:
Following up to the 2013 retrospective thread:
- Get more commit activity, especially in the core
- Merge
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Nicolas Dufour nrduf...@gmail.com wrote:
Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)?
There's a lot of stuff happening right now. If you want to know more,
browse the mailing list archives.
Cheers,
Dirkjan
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Nicolas Dufour nrduf...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Dirkjan,
Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)?
Thanks,
Nicolas
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl
wrote:
Following up to the 2013
and wouldn't it be great if all committers add themselves here?
http://people.apache.org/projects.html
On 4 February 2014 15:37, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote:
Hi,
is there a specific reason why Apache CouchDB is not listet here?
http://projects.apache.org/indexes.html
Thanks Cheers
Hi,
is there a specific reason why Apache CouchDB is not listet here?
http://projects.apache.org/indexes.html
Thanks Cheers
Andy
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and here :) http://people.apache.org/gallery.html
2014-02-04 Andy Wenk a...@nms.de:
and wouldn't it be great if all committers add themselves here?
http://people.apache.org/projects.html
On 4 February 2014 15:37, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote:
Hi,
is there a specific reason why Apache
Recent commits in the bigcouch branch redoing some
work already done in rcouch (coming from a 2 years experience
Work done in rcouch is not sacred, does not necessarily go into couchdb master
without editing or review by anyone else, and that applies to bigcouch as well.
As you should know,
Oh ok. I thought there would have been some update posts somewhere about it.
Hey Robert, anything that is testable already in couch from bigcouch?
Anything to add about how rebar is used here?
Thanks Benoit from the heads up on rcouch.
Nicolas
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote:
Recent commits in the bigcouch branch redoing some
work already done in rcouch (coming from a 2 years experience
Work done in rcouch is not sacred, does not necessarily go into couchdb
master without editing or
Hi,
It’s largely because we’re all busy with wholly bigcouch internal things on our
1843-feature-bigcouch branch, there’s nothing *yet* to cooperate/feedback
about. The closest thing is the bit I’m hacking on (Build with rebar).
I agree that we should not be inventing new things during the
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote:
Hi,
It's largely because we're all busy with wholly bigcouch internal things
on our 1843-feature-bigcouch branch, there's nothing *yet* to
cooperate/feedback about. The closest thing is the bit I'm hacking on
Sue Lockwood created COUCHDB-2046:
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Summary: Add Filter UI to Fauxton
Documentation
http://docs.couchdb.org/en/latest/couchapp/ddocs.html#filter-functions
Like Views, we need a UI around filters
Key: COUCHDB-2046
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Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2046:
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Summary: Add Filter UI to Fauxton (was: Add Filter UI to Fauxton
Documentation
Gotcha, sounds fair. This is the kind of mistake that arises when we don’t talk
and merely see bits go by.
Once a few more folks confirm that 1843-feature-bigcouch stands up and can at
least do validate_doc_update on a few other platforms, I’ll consider the
rebar.config.script work in a good
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Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2046:
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Description: Documentation
Sue Lockwood created COUCHDB-2047:
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Summary: UI for creating show functions
Key: COUCHDB-2047
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2047
Project: CouchDB
Issue Type: New Feature
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Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2047:
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Description:
http://docs.couchdb.org/en/latest/couchapp/ddocs.html#show-functions
Make a UI
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Robert Newson reassigned COUCHDB-2001:
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Assignee: Paul Joseph Davis
Since you're on this already.
Finish the size
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Robert Newson reassigned COUCHDB-1998:
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Assignee: Robert Newson
Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster
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Work on COUCHDB-1998 started by Robert Newson.
Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster
Key: COUCHDB-1998
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Robert Newson resolved COUCHDB-2045.
Resolution: Fixed
rebar.config.script used the same environment variables for icu, etc,
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Russell Branca commented on COUCHDB-2045:
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Thanks Newson, I can confirm the
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Russell Branca closed COUCHDB-2045.
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Tricky. I'm fine with trying it out, but I do wonder how many casual followers
of dev@ would miss the really interesting technical conversations that sometime
happen on code reviews and (especially) JIRA tickets. Not an easy thing to
measure.
Adam
On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Noah Slater
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Wow. couchdb-documentation is very long! Why not couchdb-docs? :)
+1 for -docs...
While -docs looks nicer and sounds shorter (and I'm also +1 for
I know there are some people who really struggle with the workload of
dev@, who would be interested in general project discussion, but feel
swamped by JIRA, etc.
I think if there's a chance that we can gain even one more person
because dev@ is easier to cope with (and assuming no significant
You interested in joining the marketing team and helping out Benjamin? :)
Add yourself to that wiki page! Woop!
On 4 February 2014 16:12, Benjamin Young byo...@bigbluehat.com wrote:
On 1/22/14, 7:38 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Simon Metson si...@cloudant.com wrote:
Sorry for a bit offtopic start, but looking on all these talks about
ML I wonder why people don't use mail filters in their clients? This
is the awesome way to organize email by topics in the way you liked
and don't care about from which address it arrived. Adv. off (:
While I feel that idea is
hrm why not making it a behaviour instead?
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014, dav...@apache.org wrote:
Updated Branches:
refs/heads/import aeb7911eb - 510599f10
Remove old notes module
This module was never intended to be compiled. Including it just
confuses rebar so we'll remove it.
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