[jira] [Commented] (COUCHDB-2044) Plugin to Review and Resolve Conflicts

2014-02-04 Thread Garren Smith (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2044?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13890481#comment-13890481 ] Garren Smith commented on COUCHDB-2044: --- This sounds like a great idea. If you

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Andy Wenk
Hi Noah and Benoit, I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project regarding communication and organization. But what I feel right here is, that Benoit feels kind of unheard and Noah doesn't want

[DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
I think we should move the following email to the commits list: - Wiki diffs - Jira email And possibly also: - Github-generated email IMO it would be best if the dev@ list was mostly used for human discussion only, making it easier to digest for casual contributors. If people want the

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote: Hi Noah and Benoit, I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project regarding communication and organization. But what I feel

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
What about Review Board notifications? My only concern is that conversation is happening in PRs, Review Board emails, JIRA comments and so on. If we move them to commits@ can we be sure that these things won't be forgotten about? Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an experiment? You mean, trying it out for a few weeks?

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Garren Smith gar...@apache.org wrote: Benoit, Andy and Noah Benoit has been the only one to raise an objection to this, so can we not assume that everyone else is ok with this? If so can we move on. no i am not: Nick North nort...@gmail.com 11:34 AM (22

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
Let's talk about that hostility. This email thread is an example of that hostility. And what appears to be a knee-jerk over-reaction on my part is my learnt reaction to this hostility. To make it clear: CouchDB is paralysed. The PMC is paralysed. And it has been for a long time. It seems we are

Re: Marketing suggestion

2014-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be in favour of keeping the number of lists small until it becomes clear that some topic needs to spin off into its own list. While the volume of marketing emails is low, it's not hard for devs who aren't that interested

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
I'd probably try it for a quarter. On 4 February 2014 09:37, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Not presupposing the answer here. But perhaps we could run an experiment? You mean, trying it out for a few weeks?

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
We should have some success/failure criteria? Success: - Conversion continued to happen around JIRA - PRs were not ignored (any more so than they already are) - Review Board threads were not ignored Failure: - Participation/review frequency dropped noticeably On 4 February 2014 09:37,

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
+1 to all that, Noah. I can only imagine what this looks like to casual readers. Few things require unanimity and this is not one of them. The reason I’ve stayed quiet on the proposal is that while I don’t feel strongly for it, I don’t feel strongly against it. It’s not my time or effort

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Also no formal ask about this mailing-list has been done in its own thread. Which I request. This is it. I've already done that. We're on that thread. No you sent a notice about its creation. Which is a way different.

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
We came to an agreement on what [NOTICE] means in this thread: http://markmail.org/message/o27dls6t3pqtxjew The first paragraph in this thread was: This is a notice that I am going to assume lazy consensus on the proposal to create a marketing@ list. If you have a formal objection to raise,

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote: +1 to all that, Noah. I can only imagine what this looks like to casual readers. Few things require unanimity and this is not one of them. The reason I've stayed quiet on the proposal is that while I don't feel

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
Benoit, it's not that you're the bad guy for disagreeing. The problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy. This has been a problem for a long time now. As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get out of this mindset that unanimity is required to proceed on any action. You

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Benoit, it's not that you're the bad guy for disagreeing. The problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy. This has been a problem for a long time now. As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Nick North
PS I don't want to be seen as filibustering here so, if people consider this to be a waste of time, I'm +1 on creating the list if the people who want to do the work want it. (Even though it's not my own inclination.) Nick On 4 Feb 2014, at 17:30, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote: I'm

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote: I don't see why the idea needs that much momentum behind it to get a pass / why there's so much inertia to do nothing new. Try it, see what happens, mailing lists can always be deleted. B. I am not sure we

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote: I'm probably going to regret jumping into this, especially as I'm modifying my earlier view a bit, but how about getting some objectivity by basing a decision on whether to go ahead on the record of the other spin-off lists

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
Nick, I don't think you are filibustering. You raise a good point that has not come up yet. Namely: what do we consider to be the success criteria of mailing lists? And perhaps more importantly: what are the failure criteria? Here's my attempt at answering those questions. Success criteria: -

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Nick, I don't think you are filibustering. You raise a good point that has not come up yet. actually I already raised it. And took the Erlang ml as an example of a very little traffic list. The advocacy list on postgresql,

[MARKETING] Twitter, LinkedIn, etc

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
Ashley, Splitting this off to get back to what we were talking about. :) On 2 February 2014 17:11, Ashley Parkes ash...@ashleyparkes.com wrote: Sounds awesome!! Twitter - Facebook: you first connect it to your main profile, then it gives you the option to reconnect it to a Page you manage.

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Andy Wenk
On 4 February 2014 11:45, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Success criteria: - The mailing lists are occasionally used, and when questions are posted there, replies are received. - People who might not otherwise have been active start to become active. Failure criteria: - Mails

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
I agree. If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go ignored, we should can the list. You requested examples: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-marketing/ http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-marketing/ Andy, how about two review dates?

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Andy Wenk
On 4 February 2014 12:00, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: I agree. If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go ignored, we should can the list. You requested examples: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-marketing/

Re: [Proposal] Github PR + Mailing Lists for Reviews

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
Oops. See the email I just sent: GitHub, Git, and contributor workflows Also, interested to her what Humbedooh thinks about this. CCed him. On 23 January 2014 16:31, Benjamin Young byo...@bigbluehat.com wrote: I had the good fortune of being in the #couchdb-meeting channel yesterday when the

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-04 Thread Garren Smith
+1 On 04 Feb 2014, at 1:04 PM, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote: On 4 February 2014 12:00, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: I agree. If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go ignored, we should can the list. You requested examples:

Re: [MARKETING] Twitter, LinkedIn, etc

2014-02-04 Thread Ashley Parkes
Official LinkedIn page coming up tonight then; or if anyone is opposed, just -1 in the meantime! If anyone else ought to be added as manager of that or the Facebook page let me know. Ashley Sent from my iPhone

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Nicolas Dufour
Thanks Dirkjan, Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)? Thanks, Nicolas On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Following up to the 2013 retrospective thread: - Get more commit activity, especially in the core - Merge

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Nicolas Dufour nrduf...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)? There's a lot of stuff happening right now. If you want to know more, browse the mailing list archives. Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Nicolas Dufour nrduf...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Dirkjan, Speaking of the merge, is there any updates for both (rcouch and bigcouch)? Thanks, Nicolas On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Following up to the 2013

Re: CouchDB not listet at apache.org

2014-02-04 Thread Andy Wenk
and wouldn't it be great if all committers add themselves here? http://people.apache.org/projects.html On 4 February 2014 15:37, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason why Apache CouchDB is not listet here? http://projects.apache.org/indexes.html Thanks Cheers

CouchDB not listet at apache.org

2014-02-04 Thread Andy Wenk
Hi, is there a specific reason why Apache CouchDB is not listet here? http://projects.apache.org/indexes.html Thanks Cheers Andy -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! http://www.couchdb-buch.de http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588

Re: CouchDB not listet at apache.org

2014-02-04 Thread Johannes Jörg Schmidt
and here :) http://people.apache.org/gallery.html 2014-02-04 Andy Wenk a...@nms.de: and wouldn't it be great if all committers add themselves here? http://people.apache.org/projects.html On 4 February 2014 15:37, Andy Wenk a...@nms.de wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason why Apache

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
Recent commits in the bigcouch branch redoing some work already done in rcouch (coming from a 2 years experience Work done in rcouch is not sacred, does not necessarily go into couchdb master without editing or review by anyone else, and that applies to bigcouch as well. As you should know,

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Nicolas Dufour
Oh ok. I thought there would have been some update posts somewhere about it. Hey Robert, anything that is testable already in couch from bigcouch? Anything to add about how rebar is used here? Thanks Benoit from the heads up on rcouch. Nicolas On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote: Recent commits in the bigcouch branch redoing some work already done in rcouch (coming from a 2 years experience Work done in rcouch is not sacred, does not necessarily go into couchdb master without editing or

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
Hi, It’s largely because we’re all busy with wholly bigcouch internal things on our 1843-feature-bigcouch branch, there’s nothing *yet* to cooperate/feedback about. The closest thing is the bit I’m hacking on (Build with rebar). I agree that we should not be inventing new things during the

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.orgwrote: Hi, It's largely because we're all busy with wholly bigcouch internal things on our 1843-feature-bigcouch branch, there's nothing *yet* to cooperate/feedback about. The closest thing is the bit I'm hacking on

[jira] [Created] (COUCHDB-2046) Add Filter UI to Fauxton Documentation http://docs.couchdb.org/en/latest/couchapp/ddocs.html#filter-functions Like Views, we need a UI around filters

2014-02-04 Thread Sue Lockwood (JIRA)
Sue Lockwood created COUCHDB-2046: - Summary: Add Filter UI to Fauxton Documentation http://docs.couchdb.org/en/latest/couchapp/ddocs.html#filter-functions Like Views, we need a UI around filters Key: COUCHDB-2046

[jira] [Updated] (COUCHDB-2046) Add Filter UI to Fauxton

2014-02-04 Thread Sue Lockwood (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2046?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2046: -- Summary: Add Filter UI to Fauxton (was: Add Filter UI to Fauxton Documentation

Re: Goals for 2014

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
Gotcha, sounds fair. This is the kind of mistake that arises when we don’t talk and merely see bits go by. Once a few more folks confirm that 1843-feature-bigcouch stands up and can at least do validate_doc_update on a few other platforms, I’ll consider the rebar.config.script work in a good

[jira] [Updated] (COUCHDB-2046) Add Filter UI to Fauxton

2014-02-04 Thread Sue Lockwood (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2046?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2046: -- Description: Documentation

[jira] [Created] (COUCHDB-2047) UI for creating show functions

2014-02-04 Thread Sue Lockwood (JIRA)
Sue Lockwood created COUCHDB-2047: - Summary: UI for creating show functions Key: COUCHDB-2047 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2047 Project: CouchDB Issue Type: New Feature

[jira] [Updated] (COUCHDB-2047) UI for creating show functions

2014-02-04 Thread Sue Lockwood (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2047?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Sue Lockwood updated COUCHDB-2047: -- Description: http://docs.couchdb.org/en/latest/couchapp/ddocs.html#show-functions Make a UI

[jira] [Assigned] (COUCHDB-2001) Finish the size calculating changes

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Newson (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2001?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Newson reassigned COUCHDB-2001: -- Assignee: Paul Joseph Davis Since you're on this already. Finish the size

[jira] [Assigned] (COUCHDB-1998) Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Newson (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-1998?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Newson reassigned COUCHDB-1998: -- Assignee: Robert Newson Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster

[jira] [Work started] (COUCHDB-1998) Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Newson (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-1998?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Work on COUCHDB-1998 started by Robert Newson. Scripts and docs to boot dev cluster Key: COUCHDB-1998

[jira] [Resolved] (COUCHDB-2045) Trace trap error while starting CouchDB

2014-02-04 Thread Robert Newson (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2045?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Newson resolved COUCHDB-2045. Resolution: Fixed rebar.config.script used the same environment variables for icu, etc,

[jira] [Commented] (COUCHDB-2045) Trace trap error while starting CouchDB

2014-02-04 Thread Russell Branca (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2045?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13891033#comment-13891033 ] Russell Branca commented on COUCHDB-2045: - Thanks Newson, I can confirm the

[jira] [Closed] (COUCHDB-2045) Trace trap error while starting CouchDB

2014-02-04 Thread Russell Branca (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2045?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Russell Branca closed COUCHDB-2045. --- Trace trap error while starting CouchDB

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Adam Kocoloski
Tricky. I'm fine with trying it out, but I do wonder how many casual followers of dev@ would miss the really interesting technical conversations that sometime happen on code reviews and (especially) JIRA tickets. Not an easy thing to measure. Adam On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Noah Slater

Re: Git repositories: migration to couchdb-documentation

2014-02-04 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Wow. couchdb-documentation is very long! Why not couchdb-docs? :) +1 for -docs... While -docs looks nicer and sounds shorter (and I'm also +1 for

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
I know there are some people who really struggle with the workload of dev@, who would be interested in general project discussion, but feel swamped by JIRA, etc. I think if there's a chance that we can gain even one more person because dev@ is easier to cope with (and assuming no significant

Re: Marketing suggestion

2014-02-04 Thread Noah Slater
You interested in joining the marketing team and helping out Benjamin? :) Add yourself to that wiki page! Woop! On 4 February 2014 16:12, Benjamin Young byo...@bigbluehat.com wrote: On 1/22/14, 7:38 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Simon Metson si...@cloudant.com wrote:

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-04 Thread Alexander Shorin
Sorry for a bit offtopic start, but looking on all these talks about ML I wonder why people don't use mail filters in their clients? This is the awesome way to organize email by topics in the way you liked and don't care about from which address it arrived. Adv. off (: While I feel that idea is

Re: couch-index commit: updated refs/heads/import to 510599f

2014-02-04 Thread Benoit Chesneau
hrm why not making it a behaviour instead? On Wednesday, February 5, 2014, dav...@apache.org wrote: Updated Branches: refs/heads/import aeb7911eb - 510599f10 Remove old notes module This module was never intended to be compiled. Including it just confuses rebar so we'll remove it.