Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Werner Punz
+1 Am 11/1/11 9:16 AM, schrieb Bernd Bohmann: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs,

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Matt Benson
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Gerhard Petracek
thx matt for the links regards, gerhard 2011/11/2 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Gerhard Petracek
i think we should stop the vote and re-visit the original thread at [1]. there we could discuss the name and we could re-visit the option to use the asf incubator directly (for gsoc projects). regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg 2011/11/2 Gerhard Petracek

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Why incubator for Gsoc projects? IMO that's wrong. Move stuff like that to Labs: build code and get releases out (release often, release early) Once there is interest - by some community decide where to go: There some options, like: a) Going to the incubator - start to build a community around

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-02 Thread Gerhard Petracek
besides labs (see [1]) i agree for the existing gsoc projects like: - component library for html5 components - webapp-test btw. webapp-test2 (manila) - codi-rad i'm perfectly fine with a) since the basic topic was the quick community check. - we should start a new thread for checking potential

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Bernd Bohmann
+1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue,

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi bernd, the name might be difficult. e.g. there is also an area called apache labs [1] and we have sandbox modules without such rules. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Bernd Bohmann
The description of apache labs is: Apache Labs is a place for innovation where committers of the foundation can experiment with new ideas. This modified description of Apache Myfaces Incubator/labs/sandbox would perfectly fit for MyFaces: Apache MyFaces Labs is a place for innovation where

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Bart Kummel
+1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi bernd, the description of the apache incubator is: The Incubator project is the entry path into The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) for projects and codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts. All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Jakob Korherr
+1 Regards, Jakob 2011/11/1 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Bernd Bohmann
Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator.

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi bernd, i just changed the text of the incubator as you did with the text of labs to show that it fits better because the primary goal is the community check (+ we can never ignore ip clearance). we just don't need the overhead of the incubator and the incubation phase is very short. we are

Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-11-01 Thread Mark Struberg
] Internal Incubator Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces

[VOTE] Internal Incubator

2011-10-31 Thread Gerhard Petracek
Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module