Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
+1 Am 11/1/11 9:16 AM, schrieb Bernd Bohmann: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) As I have attempted to point out elsewhere via email links (which presumably went unfollowed), not only is this problematic; per Incubator PMC consensus it is downright unacceptable. You simply can't have a mini-incubator so complete that it makes sense even to use the *name* incubator. PLEASE read [1] for background, or skip directly to [2] (search for Some possible solutions) to know what IS acceptable. There is no need for MyFaces to rehash my experiences on Commons' behalf two-plus years ago. [1] http://markmail.org/message/n3t7lksceuplh45r [2] http://markmail.org/message/r6ffmmyh6pxnn6nd Matt Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
thx matt for the links regards, gerhard 2011/11/2 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) As I have attempted to point out elsewhere via email links (which presumably went unfollowed), not only is this problematic; per Incubator PMC consensus it is downright unacceptable. You simply can't have a mini-incubator so complete that it makes sense even to use the *name* incubator. PLEASE read [1] for background, or skip directly to [2] (search for Some possible solutions) to know what IS acceptable. There is no need for MyFaces to rehash my experiences on Commons' behalf two-plus years ago. [1] http://markmail.org/message/n3t7lksceuplh45r [2] http://markmail.org/message/r6ffmmyh6pxnn6nd Matt Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
i think we should stop the vote and re-visit the original thread at [1]. there we could discuss the name and we could re-visit the option to use the asf incubator directly (for gsoc projects). regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg 2011/11/2 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: thx matt for the links regards, gerhard 2011/11/2 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) As I have attempted to point out elsewhere via email links (which presumably went unfollowed), not only is this problematic; per Incubator PMC consensus it is downright unacceptable. You simply can't have a mini-incubator so complete that it makes sense even to use the *name* incubator. PLEASE read [1] for background, or skip directly to [2] (search for Some possible solutions) to know what IS acceptable. There is no need for MyFaces to rehash my experiences on Commons' behalf two-plus years ago. [1] http://markmail.org/message/n3t7lksceuplh45r [2] http://markmail.org/message/r6ffmmyh6pxnn6nd Matt Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
Why incubator for Gsoc projects? IMO that's wrong. Move stuff like that to Labs: build code and get releases out (release often, release early) Once there is interest - by some community decide where to go: There some options, like: a) Going to the incubator - start to build a community around it ( the new experimental code base) b) if it makes sense, integrate it with existing MyFaces code (e.g. partial state savings improvements etc) (or make it Apache MyFaces subproject) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: i think we should stop the vote and re-visit the original thread at [1]. there we could discuss the name and we could re-visit the option to use the asf incubator directly (for gsoc projects). regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg 2011/11/2 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: thx matt for the links regards, gerhard 2011/11/2 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) As I have attempted to point out elsewhere via email links (which presumably went unfollowed), not only is this problematic; per Incubator PMC consensus it is downright unacceptable. You simply can't have a mini-incubator so complete that it makes sense even to use the *name* incubator. PLEASE read [1] for background, or skip directly to [2] (search for Some possible solutions) to know what IS acceptable. There is no need for MyFaces to rehash my experiences on Commons' behalf two-plus years ago. [1] http://markmail.org/message/n3t7lksceuplh45r [2] http://markmail.org/message/r6ffmmyh6pxnn6nd Matt Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
besides labs (see [1]) i agree for the existing gsoc projects like: - component library for html5 components - webapp-test btw. webapp-test2 (manila) - codi-rad i'm perfectly fine with a) since the basic topic was the quick community check. - we should start a new thread for checking potential participants. regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/c6vcpqbdpqygjwkt 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: Why incubator for Gsoc projects? IMO that's wrong. Move stuff like that to Labs: build code and get releases out (release often, release early) Once there is interest - by some community decide where to go: There some options, like: a) Going to the incubator - start to build a community around it ( the new experimental code base) b) if it makes sense, integrate it with existing MyFaces code (e.g. partial state savings improvements etc) (or make it Apache MyFaces subproject) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: i think we should stop the vote and re-visit the original thread at [1]. there we could discuss the name and we could re-visit the option to use the asf incubator directly (for gsoc projects). regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg 2011/11/2 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: thx matt for the links regards, gerhard 2011/11/2 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: FWIW: -1 why introducing yet another level of incubation process ? I find it (very) problematic trying to be in some sort of competition w/ the Apache Incubator... (even if the discussed targets here are JSF specific) As I have attempted to point out elsewhere via email links (which presumably went unfollowed), not only is this problematic; per Incubator PMC consensus it is downright unacceptable. You simply can't have a mini-incubator so complete that it makes sense even to use the *name* incubator. PLEASE read [1] for background, or skip directly to [2] (search for Some possible solutions) to know what IS acceptable. There is no need for MyFaces to rehash my experiences on Commons' behalf two-plus years ago. [1] http://markmail.org/message/n3t7lksceuplh45r [2] http://markmail.org/message/r6ffmmyh6pxnn6nd Matt Why not simply moving future (MyFaces) GSoC directly to the Apache Labs project ([1])?! For there, just start coding and releasing (alphas etc). The new release process is straightforward and not heavyweight - so (alpha) releases are cheap. -M [1] http://labs.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com wrote: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
+1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
hi bernd, the name might be difficult. e.g. there is also an area called apache labs [1] and we have sandbox modules without such rules. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
The description of apache labs is: Apache Labs is a place for innovation where committers of the foundation can experiment with new ideas. This modified description of Apache Myfaces Incubator/labs/sandbox would perfectly fit for MyFaces: Apache MyFaces Labs is a place for innovation where committers of the Apache MyFaces can experiment with new ideas. I don't see any problem in using the word 'labs'. The word 'incubator' has a special meaning in the Apache ecosystem. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bernd, the name might be difficult. e.g. there is also an area called apache labs [1] and we have sandbox modules without such rules. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
+1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
hi bernd, the description of the apache incubator is: The Incubator project is the entry path into The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) for projects and codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts. All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join Apache enter through the Incubator. The Apache Incubator has two primary goals: * Ensure all donations are in accordance with the ASF legal standards * Develop new communities that adhere to our guiding principles - The MyFaces Incubator project is the entry path into Apache MyFaces for projects and codebases related to JSF wishing to become part of MyFaces's efforts. All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. The Apache MyFaces Incubator has two primary goals: * Ensure all donations are in accordance with the ASF legal standards * Develop new communities that adhere to our guiding principles however, i'm fine with both. i just used incubator because of those two primary goals. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: The description of apache labs is: Apache Labs is a place for innovation where committers of the foundation can experiment with new ideas. This modified description of Apache Myfaces Incubator/labs/sandbox would perfectly fit for MyFaces: Apache MyFaces Labs is a place for innovation where committers of the Apache MyFaces can experiment with new ideas. I don't see any problem in using the word 'labs'. The word 'incubator' has a special meaning in the Apache ecosystem. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bernd, the name might be difficult. e.g. there is also an area called apache labs [1] and we have sandbox modules without such rules. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: +1 for the idea but -1 for the name. I expect trouble with the Apache Incubator. What is the difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator? If there is a difference we should consider a different name. I would prefer labs, sandbox or what ever. Regards Bernd Bohmann On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
+1 Regards, Jakob 2011/11/1 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg -- Jakob Korherr blog: http://www.jakobk.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr work: http://www.irian.at
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
hi bernd, i just changed the text of the incubator as you did with the text of labs to show that it fits better because the primary goal is the community check (+ we can never ignore ip clearance). we just don't need the overhead of the incubator and the incubation phase is very short. we are still talking about new projects (esp. gsoc projects) - so there are differences. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com: Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator
Bernd has a good point. Actually the underlying problem is that we (ASF) introduced Apache-Extras but the code over there has no implicit IP grant. This can also even be GPLed code... Whereas otoh for contributing to a MyFaces sandbox project you need to be an ASF committer already. Usually getting code contributions of a medium sized quantity over into an ASF project doesn't always need an incubation. This can also just be done by creating a Jira issue and attaching all the code as patch. I've done this for the openjpa-maven-plugin donation to OpenJPA that way [1]. Of course all contributors need an iCLA on file. LieGrue, strub [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENJPA-1934 - Original Message - From: Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Internal Incubator Ok, if there is no real difference between Apache Incubator and Apache MyFaces Incubator, I have to change my vote to -1 especially a have a problem with: All code donations from external organisations and existing external projects wishing to join MyFaces enter through the MyFaces-Incubator. This is the Apache Incubator role. Regards Bernd On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi bart, as mentioned [1] by mark it's also about ip clearance [2]. regards, gerhard [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/myfaces-dev/201110.mbox/%3c1319274310.93350.yahoomail...@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/1 Bart Kummel b...@kummelweb.nl +1 for the idea! I agree with Bernd about the name. For me, incubator is also associated with rules and legal stuff. We should encourage people to contribute, instead of scaring them away. Sandbox or labs sounds encouraging and accessible. But perhaps we should discuss/vote the name in another thread and first focus on the idea... Best regards, Bart Kummel On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 01:36, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
[VOTE] Internal Incubator
Hi, in order to check if there is a community for a new sub-project (esp. GSoC projects for MyFaces), we discussed [1] the introduction of an internal incubator. We would release such projects early and e.g. after a quarter we decide if we keep and promote a project (as a sub-project or a module of an existing sub-project) or if we drop it. Please vote: [+1] I like the idea [0] I'm not convinced but I'm ok with it [-1] I don't agree Regards, Gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/d7oogfabvliwn7fg
