, 2003 4:43 PM
> To: Jeff Coleman
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and howto location
>
>
> Quoting Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > So far, there have been a total of eight comments posted with no
> > suggestions a
ut on their own.
At least the process has been started, which is a Good Thing.
Regards,
John Cusick
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 18:21, Jeff Coleman wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rob Wellesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] C
Quoting Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So far, there have been a total of eight comments posted with no
> suggestions as to a solution. The discussion page centers
> around a number of "requirements".
You're right--we're still working on what we need, before we start
sorting through pos
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Wellesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and howto location
>
> Sorry.. But i'm lost...
>
> Anyone want to bring me/us up to date on where's this is all at?
> Rob Wellesley
Ro
Sorry.. But i'm lost...
Anyone want to bring me/us up to date on where's this is all at?
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 11:21:40AM +, Brian Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 23:04 29/01/2003, Gordon Rowell wrote:
> >Everyone on this list will be pleased to know that Twiggi has been
> >released under the GPL and source and binary RPMs of the latest version
> >can now be found on our FTP
At 23:04 29/01/2003, Gordon Rowell wrote:
Everyone on this list will be pleased to know that Twiggi has been
released under the GPL and source and binary RPMs of the latest version
can now be found on our FTP site.
Could you give us a link, I have been unable to find it in your directory,
or an
Paul,
Would it be the moderator's duty to
enforce or at least label contributions that do not comply with the
GPL?
I don't know that enforcement is necessary (unless there is a GPL
violation), but I do think that any contrib web site should *clearly*
indicate what the redistribution license
Gordon Rowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> We would be happy to host the source and binary RPMs of all of your
> GPL derived code on our site in their current state.
When improvements to the contrib site are implemented I may just do that.
Right now it does not meet my needs.
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:32:48PM -, Darrell May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I worry that this sentiment is not shared by at least one dominant
> > personality on devinfo and is a continuing source of worry about the
> > integrity of contributio
Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I worry that this sentiment is not shared by at least one dominant
> personality on devinfo and is a continuing source of worry about the
> integrity of contributions. Would it be the moderator's duty to
> enforce or at least label contributions that do no
Paul,
> Would it be the moderator's duty to
> enforce or at least label contributions that do not comply with the
> GPL?
I don't know that enforcement is necessary (unless there is a GPL
violation), but I do think that any contrib web site should *clearly*
indicate what the redistribution lice
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:33:54PM -0700, Jeff Coleman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
dev-info folks,
[...]
Let me summarise Mitel's position:
- The same issues apply to any other contributions - you must comply
with the license and Copyright details of those contributions.
I worry that
> In the meantime, pls feel free to check out:
> http://198.182.88.210/LinkBase
i've added two links to my separate gpl and $product sections
i think the user community should get behind it, posting a link isn't
hard
mitel do a great job making a solid base for us, they shouldn't have to
mana
Gordon Rowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Perhaps the Mitel person that you see "co-ordinating" the hosting
> > could comment..
> > [...]
>
> That would be me as it is my group's responsibility.
>
> I see a few issues here:
>
> - What do we need/want from the indexer/contrib upload/etc module
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 06:55, Brandon Friedman wrote:
>
>
> What is going to be the format, templates like Darrells? What sort of
> quality control are we going to have? Remember anybody can post howtos
> but we must a means rating them and approving?
I would suggest using the Linux standard, i.e.
I humbly agree :-)
Let's get this goin'
Regards,
Hsing-Foo
> Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > A few comments about this thread. Thanks to all of you for your
> > opinions so far.
>
> Jeff, I think there is enough interested parties that you
> should move forward with this proje
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:29:40PM -, Rob Wellesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> The difficulty here Gordon, is that Mitel staff often indicate that they are
> very busy with Mitel stuff - which is as exactly as it should be. However
> Devinfoers are keen - can "mitel" be just as keen?
"Smith, Jeffery S (Scott)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I've been following this thread. What I'm hearing is this:
You have outlined our needs quite well Scott.
We have a suggested community sponsored solution on the table with an
immediate time frame implementation.
It appears Mitel is also in
Gordon Rowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Let me summarise Mitel's position:
>
> We will continue to provide appropriate resources for the central
> repository.
>
> We would like to improve the facilities we offer.
> If you have suggestions on tools/indexers which would improve the
>
I've been following this thread. What I'm hearing is this:
-- The devinfo community would like to have more involvement and control
over the contribs process.
-- Part of accomplishing this is to have a community accessible and
community managed contrib server (for storage of rpms, howtos, etc.)
> I feel that we should support Mitel in improving the current service rather
> than starting a different service.
I agree.
>
> It might help if the community did actually send all contribs and HowTos to
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". This does seem to be the first place that the
> current scheme falls
> -Original Message-
> From: Ari Novikoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:01 PM
> Other thoughts that have come to mind...
>
> Yes, there is substantial bandwidth. Yes, disk space is cheap.
> What about backup? What about fail-over? What about mirrors?
>
We
Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I agree. If Mitel is willing and able to do this on a timely basis
> that is great.
>
> In the alternative, we're here if Mitel decides not to proceed.
Or even if Mitel does not have the resources to do this immediately, Jeff
can start the process today!
I agree. If Mitel is willing and able to do this on a timely basis that is
great.
In the alternative, we're here if Mitel decides not to proceed.
-jeff
> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:17 PM
>
> Gordon Rowell <[EMAI
From: "Gordon Rowell">
> Let me summarise Mitel's position:
> ...
It is good to hear such a positive response.
I feel that we should support Mitel in improving the current service rather
than starting a different service.
It might help if the community did actually send all contribs and HowTos t
Gordon Rowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> - Let's address the deficiencies in that offering rather than starting
> another repository. We would like to improve the facilities we offer.
> If you have suggestions on tools/indexers which would improve the
> offering, please let us know. If som
Other thoughts that have come to mind...
Yes, there is substantial bandwidth. Yes, disk space is cheap.
What about backup? What about fail-over? What about mirrors?
These are all things that need to be considered as well.
Ari
Quoting "Greg J. Zartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > However sinc
I really do like the idea of a central "repsoitory" be it links, content or
what ever. If Mitel is willing to do this, then we should at least give them
the opportunity to do so - it is their server for heaven's sake.
If Mitel does not show interest in doing so, then I think we should proceed
w
We have our proposed site online.
Because the root level domain registrars are changing for the .org domains
it will be a few days before "contribs.org" is addressable.
In the meantime, pls feel free to check out: http://198.182.88.210/LinkBase
We are open to kudos or hate mail :> This is a wo
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:33:54PM -0700, Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dev-info folks,
> [...]
Let me summarise Mitel's position:
- Mitel already provides a central repository for contributions and
HOWTO documents. Submissions can be sent to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
We will continue
However since Mitel is not replying, we may only conclude we are on our own.
Has anyone asked them directly? Maybe the person responsible for such a
decision is too busy this week to keep up with this thread. Why not
send an email to Dan York asking what he thinks about it (not demanding
t
> From: Craig Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:04 AM
> Linkbase 'looks' like (I have a test implement on my server as
> well) a viable
> alternative here...the biggest question would be the necessary
> space to host
> content for those w/out bandwidth for thei
Abe Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
... but what about those without the bandwidth?
Jeff has stated he is happy to host.
> Is there an easy way to integrate the uploading of actual
> content (phpFileExchange or webshare perhaps)?
Yes, Jeff (and everyone) has the ready-to-go tools :-) See we
Quoting Abe Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the bandwidth? Is there an easy way to integrate the uploading of actual
> content (phpFileExchange or webshare perhaps)?
Possibly (although Jeff Coleman states they have descent bandwidth avail),
some 'mirror' sites could help. I also have space/'mo
Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> A few comments about this thread. Thanks to all of you for your
> opinions so far.
Jeff, I think there is enough interested parties that you should move
forward with this project :->
I agree with comments that we should further catagorize the sections.
> >
> > I agree with Darrell, let Mitel participate if they want but this
> should
> > be a community project.
I'm not yet sure how I feel about this. As I understand it, from my brief
look at Darrell's demo, LinkWall is a web app that lets you store links in
some type of db format. The content
http://myezserver.com/LinkBase/tree.php
Mitel SME Server
-- Alpha
-- Beta
-- Commercial
-- Contribs
-- HowTo
-- Updates
Windows
Format looks great. I'd suggest breaking down some of the major
categories a bit. Contribs, for example, is likely to contain MANY
links. It would be nice, especial
Why make a GPL restriction?. Sourceforge, Freshmeat and just about every
You are correct, there is no reason to exclude commercial software. The
intention of my GPL comment was that the repository not be used as a
promotional vehicle for one specific organization.
Don't get me wrong, I have
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jeff Coleman'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and howto location
>
> I must be honest, this type of step leads to a possible "fork&q
A few comments about this thread. Thanks to all of you for your opinions so
far.
The original idea was to host a central repository for links, files and
howto's. My company, Resource Strategies, will provide the gear and
bandwidth to do this at no charge.
Jeremy McNicoll said: "The concern he
3 6:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jeff Coleman'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and howto location
>
> I agree with Darrell, let Mitel participate if they want but this
should
> be a community project.
>
>
How about a little more granularity in the categories...
--Contribs
--Networking
--Statistics
--Users
--VPN
--etc.
--Howto's
--etc.
This would make it easier to hone in on an area of interest.
-jeff
> -Original Message-
> From: Dar
ll May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 January 2003 09:29
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jeff Coleman'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and howto location
>
>
>
> Jeremy McNicoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sai
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 8:33 am, Jeff Coleman wrote:
> Any comments or suggestions?
I also think it is a very good idea.
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Jeremy McNicoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I do believe that Mitel should be very closely linked to this
> collaboration considering its their product and all.
Mitel is most welcomed to participate in any way they feel. If they came
forward and said they were interested in hosting/moderating t
> appears as though there is some support for a central repository of
links
> and files for howto's and contribs.
I like the concept of centralized contrib. repository. But having said
that, I do believe that Mitel should be very closely linked to this
collaboration considering its their product
Darrell May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Greg Zartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I think it is a great idea provided the theme remains GPL.
5c worth
IMO any "commercial" aspect should be no more than a link to a commercial
website - perhaps ordered by country as per darrells own reseller
I am a 'beginning' developer and I like the idea. I have more than three dozen
links at present to sites around the world with contribs. That is why I try to
keep a 'pile' of them as I find them so I don't loose the links.
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I am not a developer, but do like this idea. Hope to be visiting soon.
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Greg Zartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I think it is a great idea provided the theme remains GPL.
Why make a GPL restriction?. Sourceforge, Freshmeat and just about every
site I visit permit non-GPL contribs/posting. The majority remains GPL
however 'freedom' should be there for all.
I do s
ish to thank all you developers who put all the time and
effort into e-smith!
Cyrus Bharda
- Original Message -
From: "Darrell May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Central contrib and
> IMO, the biggest benefit I see from LinkBase is you may continue to store
> your contributions 'wherever you see fit' AND the community gets a central
> respository of searchable contrib descriptions with links to the files.
> I'm in :->
I think it is a great idea provided the theme remains GPL
Jeff Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Any comments or suggestions?
I think it is a great idea long overdue. I hope developers do not remain
silent on this issue. The key requirement for this to properly work is
community involvment. So, please reply to Jeff's post stating you either
like t
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