So basically what you are all saying is: it doesnt matter what sound
card my PC has as the quality will come from my SB when I put it
through the Dacmagic and my Amp and speakers when I get them??
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wholelottaled;417095 Wrote:
So basically what you are all saying is: it doesnt matter what sound
card my PC has as the quality will come from my SB when I put it
through the Dacmagic and my Amp and speakers when I get them??
Correct. This is one of the design philosophies of the SB players:
Thats good news thanks..
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Does anyone out there know how to remedy this?
Cheers,
Gus
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Firmware: -123 running SC 7.3-
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Platform Architecture: -i686-linux-
MySQL Version: -5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4-
Motherboard: -Mini-ITX J7F2WE2G -(manual at
This is probably no help at all but I had the same issue a couple of
months ago.
I bought a 2 x phono plug to 3.5mm socket lead from ebay, when I
received it I found out the headphone socket was working again!
I hadn't made any changes in the meantime so it was a total mystery to
me.
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I'm sure that would work, but I've got the machine hooked up to a set of
speakers through the phono/RCA jacks, so don't want to pull the thing
out each time and reconnect.
I'm sure there's simple config issue, if only I could get to the bottom
of it!
Thanks though.
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Gus
I've got 4 SB3s and for the first time tried listening by plugging in
headphones to the jack at the back of the unit. No sound is coming
out. I recalled (perhaps in earlier versions of SC?) there being an
enable/disable for headphones(?) but can't seem to find it after
trawling through all the
Suddenly while listening to music this morning, the sound went out on
both my Boom and Duet which were synchronized with the 7.3 upgrade
since yesterday.
I have rebooted the server computer and Squeezecenter appears to be
working normally (Vista SP1 with Windows firewall)
The display on both
I unplugged the Duet receiver and plugged it back in. I was then able
to start the music up.
I then tried the Boom. There was no sound until I unplugged it and
plugged it back in.
Although I now have then de-synced, at least I have music.
Any theories or fixes? Should I grab the latest
Make sure you don't have an obsolete syncoptions plugin - or for that
matter any obsolete plugins.
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Debian Etch server
2 AP (netgear, linksys) wireless network.
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I am plugin-less.
Zero. Nada.
Pretty basic setup.
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Hmmm, for a while all controller sound effects has been off, is there a
way to bring them back?
Charging, Navigation, Playback and Scroll *are* all checked under
Settings - Advanced - Sound Effects, and Volume is at max level... Any
suggestions?
Thanks !
Ab
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I am getting sound through my squeezebox throughout my house and
outside. i can control my squeeze center from my pc but get no sound
through squeezecenter. stand alone audio with other applications works
fine. Ideas??
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SqueezeCenter is not audio player software, it is audio server software.
If you want to play something on your pc, use SoftSqueeze, which is a
Java-based software SB emulator. You can find it under Extras in your
SC menu (left side). Or you could try SqueezePlay, which emulates the
SB Controller.
orenb wrote:
peter;352219 Wrote:
As ASIO wasn't available I just tried the M-Audio Transit (which is a
USB interface) and the Dell PC's built in audio (which is not an AC97
as
I said, but a 'Soundmax'. Turns out the Soundmax did pretty well, I
think there was probably a slight letancy that
iPhone;352329 Wrote:
Yeah, I guess itÂ’s mainly a quality issue for me. Not the quality of
SoftSqueeze, but of a PC sound card and PC speakers. I spend so much
time in my office in front of a PC when the markets are open, I felt I
had to have a small system in the office that was above the
StuartC wrote:
So I'm interested in other opinions about the comparative sound of the
Boom vs. SBR with powered speakers. Have I fooled myself with my
unscientific listening test?
Who cares?!!
Use whatever you think sounds the best - anyone else's opinion is
irrelevant.
R.
My current cards (on-board and SB-Live) typically can't pull it off. Is
there a card, preferably an inexpensive one, that can?
I'm using SqueezeCenter 7.2 and SoftSqueeze 3.7.
Thanks,
Oren
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orenb;352106 Wrote:
My current cards (on-board and SB-Live) typically can't pull it off. Is
there a card, preferably an inexpensive one, that can?
I've never been able to get them to sync, using a variety of machines
over a number of years. They are close, but never spot-on. I don't
think
I must be one of the lucky ones. It was working ok with on-board sound
card, which is being listed as Realtek AC97.
Mine was set at lowest quality sample rate conversion and medium
hardware acceleration. Maybe you could try adjusting some settings or
minimizing DSP?
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thing-fish;352136 Wrote:
I just did get a second Squeezebox and was amazed that their sync is
perfect, even when using Rhapsody content over-the-internet.
If the SB3 hardware can do it, then why can't a good sound card? I'm
not happy about spending hundreds of dollars just to be able to get
Skunk;352140 Wrote:
I must be one of the lucky ones. It was working ok with on-board sound
card, which is being listed as Realtek AC97.
Can you share the motherboard brand and model? I'm curious to find the
sound chipset it uses.
Mine was set at lowest quality sample rate conversion and
orenb wrote:
thing-fish;352136 Wrote:
I just did get a second Squeezebox and was amazed that their sync is
perfect, even when using Rhapsody content over-the-internet.
If the SB3 hardware can do it, then why can't a good sound card? I'm
not happy about spending hundreds of dollars
peter;352196 Wrote:
The best solution is to use a sound card (or sound interface) that has
ASIO drivers.
Can you recommend an inexpensive card that supports ASIO?
I haven't really tried it, but I have my PC soundcards (AC97 and M-Audio
Transit) as well as an SBR connected to a mixer,
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:10:22 -0700, orenb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
peter;352196 Wrote:
The best solution is to use a sound card (or sound interface) that has
ASIO drivers.
Can you recommend an inexpensive card that supports ASIO?
I could, but it wouldn't do you much good. After
orenb;352179 Wrote:
If the SB3 hardware can do it, then why can't a good sound card? I'm not
happy about spending hundreds of dollars just to be able to get my PC to
sync properly.
Oren
One answer might be that SqueezeCenter is contolling all the Slim
Devices as dumb slave units. The PC
iPhone - I'm doing exactly what you're questioning the need for. My
house is arranged such that I can walk the circuit from office (no SB,
using SoftSqueeze) to bedroom (SBB) to living room (SB3) while tidying,
etc, going about weekend tasks. I just start up a playlist, sync all
three, and I
iPhone;352225 Wrote:
After all, isn't the WHOLE idea behind Squeezebox to free one from the
crappy music that comes from a PC? I guess Squeezebox has made me see
the light about PC music.
I have a few squeezeboxes/transporters etc but I don't have one in the
same room as my desktop (and why
Yes, I can't afford to outfit every room in my house with the same
stereo I have in my living room (which itself would certainly not pass
muster with most folks on this board) so sometimes, I have to make
sacrifices...
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My SB3 is the most expensive part of my stereo. So I'm not
peter;352219 Wrote:
As ASIO wasn't available I just tried the M-Audio Transit (which is a
USB interface) and the Dell PC's built in audio (which is not an AC97
as
I said, but a 'Soundmax'. Turns out the Soundmax did pretty well, I
think there was probably a slight letancy that could be
iPhone;352225 Wrote:
And here is my question. Why would anybody WANT to sync PC playback to
the quality playback of any of their Slim Devices?
The PC playback quality is fine for my modest requirements. The sound
card is only used as a digital output. It's connected to the S/PDIF
input of my
orenb wrote:
$150 (for the SB Receiver) isn't that cheap. I'd rather get a $50 sound
card if I can find one that syncs properly.
I would *not* expect that you can find one.
What you want is not mass market, its not what most folks want.
If you are in the US, got to your local Guitar Center,
orenb;352180 Wrote:
Can you share the motherboard brand and model? I'm curious to find the
sound chipset it uses.
Not sure if it's a chipset or just the CPU and a codec, but the model
is ECS P4M800PRO-M (V2.0), Audio Spec:
Realtek ALC655 6-Channel audio CODEC
Compliant with AC'97 2.3
ModelCitizen;352255 Wrote:
The crappy music from my PC is the same music that comes from the
rest of my players. I quite like it. MC
I guess I should have typed, less then pleasing playback reproduction
instead of crappy Music. Because you are one hundred percent correct
that as far as the
androidtopp;352229 Wrote:
iPhone - I'm doing exactly what you're questioning the need for. My
house is arranged such that I can walk the circuit from office (no SB,
using SoftSqueeze) to bedroom (SBB) to living room (SB3) while tidying,
etc, going about weekend tasks. I just start up a
iPhone;352225 Wrote:
After all, isn't the WHOLE idea behind Squeezebox to free one from
the crappy music that comes from a PC? I guess Squeezebox has made me
see the light about PC music.
But this thread isn't about PC music vs. SB, it's about listening at
the PC (or a place quality
I have a Duet with the SBR driving a pair of Audioengine 2s which I've
been using in the dining room, I also recently got a Boom for the
bedroom. I've decided to move the SBR to the lounge and hook it up to
the main system in there and now I'm wondering what to replace it with
in the dining room;
StuartC;351709 Wrote:
I have a Duet with the SBR driving a pair of Audioengine 2s which I've
been using in the dining room, I also recently got a Boom for the
bedroom. I've decided to move the SBR to the lounge and hook it up to
the main system in there and now I'm wondering what to replace
I have set up my new Duet, and it all seems okay.
I have chosen an Internet Radio station, which seems to be loading and
playing, but I hear no music.
I have tried it both analogue and digital, and looked in the settings
to see which it defaults too, but cannot find it.
Any pointers please?
Turns out the problem was with Internet Radio.
As soon as I got my iTunes linked correctly it works.
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pfarrell;340843 Wrote:
lrossouw wrote:[color=blue]
One of the amazing things about SlimDevices is that Sean happily
describes whats inside the box, and the SD folks would regularly tell
folks to open it up and check the wiring.
It seems you are right. Was searching the forums and found
Feel like I'm talking to myself in this thread :)
Anyway support said I must send it back for repairs (it went out of
warranty a couple of months ago...), and given that I'm in South Africa
this was going to be a costly mission.
So I thought I'd try the headphones and as I fiddled with the
lrossouw wrote:
So there is some loose connection in there somewhere. Possibly I can
fix this myself? Anyone have any experience with this?
One of the amazing things about SlimDevices is that Sean happily
describes whats inside the box, and the SD folks would regularly tell
folks to open it
Hi
Have been a happy SB3 user for 2 years or so. Recently my one SB3
played music at extremely high volume
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52432). This I fixed
by power cycling.
This morning my SB3 doesn't make any sound. It seems to be playing
(the VU meters twiddle and all
any ideas?
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Since you already have an iPod check this out:
http://www.redwineaudio.com/iMod.html
Vinnie modded my Photo iPod man what a difference it made. I use it
mainly in the car. Compared to stock it's night and day. It's also so
much better than my car CD player [Kenwood excelon with burr brown
Thanks m_l , a couple of surprises in there for me. First one is that
they have a wolfson DAC in the later generation ipods! Also I was
reminded there of the line out that's available through the proprietary
docking socket, which given the previous points might make a difference
to sound quality
gowger;332705 Wrote:
Crikey, fast reponse here!
Thanks for the interesting points folks.
I don't even know where the original headphones are for the ipod! They
were irrelevant. I'm using little sennheiser ones, they kind of hook
into your ear. They sound pretty good. I used to use a
CatBus;332694 Wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that you're very unlikely to get
SB3-quality audio from a portable. So just let this requirement go,
and your choices start looking better.
I'm a RockBox user myself, and I personally use an iAudio X5. For what
it is, the audio quality
jeebers;332855 Wrote:
I use Rockbox on an old iRiver H140 (upgraded to a 60GB drive), and the
sound quality is very good. It has an optical out if that floats your
boat. If you're happy without colour screens, don't mind it being a
bit on the chucky side etc than you can't go far wrong.
gowger;332685 Wrote:
I figured this would be one forum where people might know and care about
sound quality in portable digital music players.
I'm wondering if it's possible to get a sound quality as good as a
slimplayer from any portable music player, that supports flac?
I have an
I figured this would be one forum where people might know and care about
sound quality in portable digital music players.
I'm wondering if it's possible to get a sound quality as good as a
slimplayer from any portable music player, that supports flac?
I have an ipod, I didn't buy it by the way!
It is far more challenging to get good sound quality from a portable
device. A good power supply, DAC, and output stage require board space,
and packing everything close together makes issues like internal EMI
noise much harder to deal with. The designer has much fewer components
to choose from
Let me preface this by saying that you're very unlikely to get
SB3-quality audio from a portable. So just let this requirement go,
and your choices start looking better.
I'm a RockBox user myself, and I personally use an iAudio X5. For what
it is, the audio quality is quite good. I've also
Crikey, fast reponse here!
Thanks for the interesting points folks.
I don't even know where the original headphones are for the ipod! They
were irrelevant. I'm using little sennheiser ones, they kind of hook
into your ear. They sound pretty good. I used to use a big pair of
sennheisers but
My next suggestion would make the entire Audiophile forum burst into
flames, so thanks for posting in the General Discussion forum, for
everyone's sake.
I think that lack of detail you may be hearing is not from the file
format, DAC, EMI, headphone jack, or headphones. It's the wind (and
let's
seanadams;332691 Wrote:
It is far more challenging to get good sound quality from a portable
device. A good power supply, DAC, and output stage require board space,
and packing everything close together makes issues like internal EMI
noise much harder to deal with. The designer has much
This is an interesting thread as I have been thinking along these lines.
I spend a lot of time on planes and at airports. This means that I can
use my laptop most of the time to generate music. BUt the sound quality
from the soundcard is poor. I am considering a headphone amplifier (USB
type)
Cool so you mean I could literally give it sox on the dancefloor! :D
Didn't know sox could do that kind of stuff actually.
Of course the only place I hear the difference with the ipod is plugged
into a good system, but it'd be nice to have the SBs quality in a
portable way for playing through
Also note that stream.mp3 requires you set bitrate limiting in player
settings - audio and FLAC - MP3 transcoding in advanced settings - file
types
That would explain it. Would have never found out about this...
Thanks!
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pipetman;316180 Wrote:
But when I try to play music through SC on my PC (opening the web
interface), there's no sound.
Do you mean through SoftSqueeze or stream.mp3? You can't play music
through the web interface.
I also tried VLC and put in the server/stream.mp3 url and it shows, that
I just upgraded from Slimserver to SqueezeCenter and also put my music
on a NAS. I have an old laptop doing server duties, running the SC
software. So far so good - streaming music to my SB3 works just fine.
But when I try to play music through SC on my PC (opening the web
interface), there's no
A few days ago I came across a small article in a recent newspaper about
using meta-materials to cloak sound waves much in the same way as
making something visual invisible. If this process was employed in
speaker design would it prevent sound waves from bouncing around inside
the cabinet? Would
Well it looks like no one else here had this issue. I notified Amazon
and a new one is on it's way overnight and UPS will be picking up the
defective unit as well. Great service from Amazon, highly recommended.
The silver lining is I get to experience the blissful joy of opening a
Duet for a
Testing out a brand new Duet, all works fine except no sound effects
from the built-in speaker, but works using a headset. I am assuming
that I got a defective unit, or is there something I am overlooking?
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The title pretty much says it all. I just upgraded to squeezecenter
from slimserver and now I am getting no sound from my squeezebox(v3).
Everything appears to be connecting properly including my computer with
my music on it and Rhapsody. I can see all the music and when I hit
play it appears
Check player volume. Check the preamp volume control (Settings -
Players - Audio - Preamp Volume Control should be 0).
Rewrite Xilinx, unplug, press and hold 1, replug.
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I'd suggest checking that you don't have the volume turned down. Check
that the pre-amp attenuation isn't set in the audio tab for the player
in SC.
If it still isn't fixed then firstly try pulling the power on the SB,
holding + while plugging it back in and if that fails try a factory
reset
gtcharlie;276899 Wrote:
The title pretty much says it all. I just upgraded to squeezecenter
from slimserver and now I am getting no sound from my squeezebox(v3).
Everything appears to be connecting properly including my computer with
my music on it and Rhapsody. I can see all the music
I have tried the suggestions everyone has given with no luck. Not sure
which way to proceed next. Considering everything was working
perfectly 10 minutes before I upgraded to squeezecenter that seems to
be the problem. I will check settings once more. Any other
suggestions would be
Have you tried playing a radio stream via Squeezenetwork ?
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Now I feel really dumb. Just checked my receiver and notice the input
the squeezebox was outputting to was showing an analog signal. Checked
the optical cable and sure enough that was the problem. Switched the
cable out and presto. Sound. Think I can blame squeezecenter for
blowing out my
gtcharlie wrote:
For anyone who is having a similiar problem I guess checking your
physical connections first isn't a bad idea.
That is why the first questions that Tech Support folks ask are:
1) is it plugged in?
2) is it turned on?
3) have you reseated the connections?
You are not the first
Hello, I'm new to SlimServer. I just set everything up, and when I
launched the http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:9000/stream.mp3 from my
Itunes, it connects to the stream, but there is no sound. I checked the
local SlimServer interface, and it says that a song is playing. Why
can't I hear
I called tech support. It turned out to need the xilinx reset. Someone
did suggest that (above) and in my haste I only noticed the factory
reset recommendation. Sorry 'bout that.
Everything is working fine now.
Thank you,
Joe
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Transporter DIYtube ST-35 amp JM Reynaud
joeriz;268035 Wrote:
I don't know why but I have a sneaking suspicion that if I were to go
back to SC 6.5 this problem might vanish. The fact that SC 7 doesn't
have the RCA out - on option makes me wonder. I didn't want to do
this but I might try. Or perhaps it's in the firmware as my
OK. I tried going back to SC 6.5.4 with firmware 31. Still no luck.
Now I'm worried...
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CatBus;267927 Wrote:
This has happened to me twice after a power outage. Unplug the device,
plug it back in. Works fine.
Yeah it's probably a bug.
Tried that, too...several times. No luck.
I don't know why but I have a sneaking suspicion that if I were to go
back to SC 6.5 this problem
I've been away for a couple of days. Came home today, turned on the
Transporter, and...no sound! My amp is on, volume is up, Transporter
works as usual (select song/album/favortite, etc.) and VU meters move
but nothing. I know that SOMETHING can make its way out of the RCA
jacks because when I
haunyack;267897 Wrote:
Have you tried the (factory) Add + power / (Xilinx) 1 + power
reset?
.
Yes...to no avail.
Thanks,
Joe
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Transporter DIYtube ST-35 amp JM Reynaud Arpeggione Signature
speakers
joeriz;267880 Wrote:
I've been away for a couple of days. Came home today, turned on the
Transporter, and...no sound! My amp is on, volume is up, Transporter
works as usual (select song/album/favortite, etc.) and VU meters move
but nothing. I know that SOMETHING can make its way out of
This has happened to me twice after a power outage. Unplug the device,
plug it back in. Works fine.
Yeah it's probably a bug.
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In the german forum thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42611
somebody found the tool soundflower to re-direct sounds.
May be one can find a solution with this nice tool?
Up to now we don't know where is the input of the squeezebox. (port?)
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lagosirio
Hi together!
I am thinking about purchasing a SqueezeBox instead of an Apple Airport
Express.
However: What about when I want to watch a video on my iMac (OS 10.5)
and like to have the sound from my stereo. Does that work with the
SqueezeBox?
What software tool is needed for this?
Is it even
Push vs pull is irrelevant - really the challenges are in
synchronization and integration with Quicktime. It is technically
feasible but not something that the system can do now.
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With Airport Express and Airtunes that is all no problem.
So most flexible would probably to have a mode where the SqueezeBox is
controlled by the computer like an Airport Express.
So just a software tool which re-directs Airtunes-Data-Stream to the
SqueezeBox.
There is really nothing like
lagosirio;261613 Wrote:
With Airport Express and Airtunes that is all no problem.That's all withing
the Apple eco-system and Apple tend not to play nice
with outsiders!
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Charles Calkins Wrote:
Does the quality of the PC sound card have anything to do with playback
through the SB3.
No, in fact it's one of the reasons I got the Sb3. It really simplifies
things not having to worry about Windows sound mixers, system sounds
being played on the stereo, length of
Pat Farrell;251705 Wrote:
Charles Calkins wrote:
Does the quality of the PC sound card have anything to do with
playback
through the SB3.
Not unless you are using the PC sound card.
The SqueezeBox is a wireless replacement for a sound card.
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Does the quality of the PC sound card have anything to do with playback
through the SB3.
Cheers
Charlie
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Charles Calkins wrote:
Does the quality of the PC sound card have anything to do with playback
through the SB3.
Not unless you are using the PC sound card.
The SqueezeBox is a wireless replacement for a sound card.
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jordi.c;249800 Wrote:
1. One squeezebox is connected by the headphone socket another one RCA
analog and two SB's coax digital.
2. Not all the units go silent at the same time.
3. yes I have pushed the volume to 100%.
4. no.
5. ok.
Update:
I have installed SqueezeCenter 7.0a, now
peejay;249735 Wrote:
Questions:
1. How are the Logitech speakers connected to the squeezebox? Via the
RCA outlets at the back, or the headphone socket - the latter is not
recommended
2. You mention 3 other units, do all units go silent at one time?
3. Have you adjusted the volume on
hello,
Today I put my squeezebox on and I have now no sound :(
My speakers (logitech pc speakers) are directly connected into the
Squeezebox.
In total I have 4 squeezeboxes. In other rooms there is also a lot of
times just no sound.
The vu-meters on the squeezebox are moving and the track
jordi.c;249708 Wrote:
hello,
Today I put my squeezebox on and I have now no sound :(
My speakers (logitech pc speakers) are directly connected into the
Squeezebox.
In total I have 4 squeezeboxes. In other rooms there is also a lot of
times just no sound.
The vu-meters on the
You shouldnt connect the squeezebox up to phono but one of the aux
connections. On my setup I am using the digital output of the
squeezebox into a digital input of my amp. This does bypass the
squeezebox dac but it does mean I can play dts files
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Also--ReplayGain (usually) reduces playback volume. It's off by default
though. It's called Automatic Volume Adjustment by SlimServer.
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I tried hooking my squeezebox up throu the audio ports on my PIONEER
Home Theatre in a box system, but wen I switch to the audio 2 on the
remote, I get very low sound coming thru my surr sound speakers.
I hook up my turntable with a powered preamp? or filter before
connecting to my HTB and it
The Squeezebox should be comparable in volume to your other components.
Is the Squeezebox volume turned down? Press volume up on the SB
remote.
Is there any attenuation on the Preamp Volume Control? Player Settings
- Audio, should be 0 (i.e. no attenuation).
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duke2555;247555 Wrote:
I actually placed an audio/video (non powered) A/B switch on the audio
jack on my HTB so I could switch between my turntable and the
squeezebox.
What happens if you bypass the switch and connect directly to the HTB?
Just for experimentation purposes.
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