Janine, one question: I use slippery elm often for stomach and intestinal
upsets, but have never used it for urinary tract upsets. It doesn't make
the ph of the urine more basic? Patches has really high ph-- 8.5, much too
basic.
Thanks,
Michelle
Bonnie,
That is fast for Epogen to work, I think. I am so glad
to hear he is feeling a little bit better. Maybe he has gotten the
Tapazole out of his system too. I'm pulling for Fu, and sending
prayers.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:28:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAI
Thanks for all the info. If that is true about stress making the ph higher,
then that could be an explanation with Patches. Her teeth are hurting her
terribly (so much she is on narcotic shots twice a day until her dental surgery
on Wednesday). I thought it was just a bad coincidence that s
Hideyo, we are so much alike. Someone I worked with actually said that this
is my weakness as well as my strength, in those very words. I think it makes me
a good lawyer, but I do not always get along with people all that well!
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:09:11 P.M. Eastern St
I was hoping that your working with Merry would lead to you and her teaming
up on that too. That's great.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I also told Merry
that I would like help TN&R ordinance to get into the new ordin
Oh, Jen. I am so sorry. I have been there, and it is the worst thing
ever. I am assuming the stronger steroids means you just gave him a dex/depo
shot for the first time? You might be surprised; it might help for a
while. I am praying it does.
Love and prayers and thoughts,
Michelle
I
Essiac tea is supposed to help, and I think it helped my dog Fern (though
she actually drank it from a bowl). Switching to an all meat diet is
supposed to slow the growth. I have heard that Winstrol, which is not
holistic but an anabolic steroid, helps keep appetite and fights muscle wasti
Wow, 40 mg/day of pred is a huge amount for a cat. How big was City Kitty?
That is really good to know-- no vet I know would ever prescribe that much, but
I always seem to have extra pred here from so many animals being on it, if it
came down to it I would increase it myself. Please let me
Hideyp-- what does your sister feed and give her dog?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jen -
another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the disease itself
you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you thi
Jen, is that picture of him from today? he does not look that bad.
Yes, if he only got dex, you should keep him on pred. But I really,
really think that if he only got dex you should go back tomorrow and get him a
depo shot too, or ask them to give it to you to give to him sub-q. It is
st
I absolutely think it is safe to give him the combo shot. The depo will not
actually kick in for a couple of days, and I know from experience with Simon
that you can give a dex shot two days in a row (I think I gave it to him three
days in a row when I thought he was dying the first time).
Yes, 1/2 cc of each. That is what the vet who taught me about it does. But
I think the oncologist gave Simon 1 cc of each, since 1 cc is the normal dose
for giving each individually, and it certainly did not hurt him. But I think I
would try 1/2 cc of each first, especially since he just got
Jen, I did not even know it came in two strengths, so I have no idea. I'm
sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:08:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle--I forgot to ask you about this last time...but when my
vetfirst gave him the combo shot, she a
But given that you can give 1 cc of depo and that is the usual dose, I
would think 1/2 cc of her strength would be ok too.
In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:08:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle--I forgot to ask you about this last time...but when my
vetfirst
As close together as they are needed. Towards the end it will be
every few days. But he might not need them that close together yet, or he
may need the combo shot now and a dex booster in a few days and not need depo
for a week. It kind of just depends on how he is doing. Basically, I woul
Also Felliway diffusers and spray.
In a message dated 1/10/2006 6:19:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try
Rescue Remedy. Are they all spayed/neutered? If not, that might
help.
No, don't give him the pred. The dex should be enough for the next 24 hours
or so, and the depo should start kicking in after that. How is he doing? If he
perks up and then falls again before the depo kicks in, or if he does not perk
up at all, I would probably try giving him some. But you a
Great! Fingers Crossed!
Yes, my Josephine had a tumor in her belly too, and a few hours after a dex
shot it would be visibly smaller.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2006 9:58:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle! Thanks for that...so far, so good...
Yay! A big bowl of baby food (she felt very lucky, since she usually only
gets a dollop with her supplements!) and a little wet food. And then ran
around playing. Not sure what the deal is, but I am happy she ate.
Now off to the dentist with Patches for her surgery!
Michelle
Hi. My mom has been feeding a feral for about 2 years at her house. She has been talking about trapping him/her for a long time but hasn't, and hasn't wanted me to (it seems like the cat may already be neutered, as no visible testicles and does not act like a female or get pregnant). Anyway, the c
Thanks, Wendy! How is Stretch doing?
Michelle
Wendy,
I am so glad to hear about Stretch!! Please keep us
updated.
Michelle
Belinda,
I looked around on the internet, and this is
about all I found:
We also encounter low blood pressure during shock, trauma,
bleeding, and from certain medications.
Hypotension may be observed in small animal patients in
shock and hypovolemia, with Morbus Addison, in chronic hea
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Subject: [SC] Digest Number 906
There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Pet Food Warning!
From: "Tim" <[E
So I am thinking Ginger's food problem-- eating only a little bit at a time
and never much-- over the last few days may be from stomatitis. She has always
had bad gums. She had 10 teeth out last spring because she stopped eating and
had many rotting teeth, and has been better since then. But
Belinda,
Kerry's Bandy also had anemia and fevers at the same
time. She thought the dexamethasone helped with both, first in shot form
and then in pill form. However, I do not know if Bandy had high WBC. Steroids
can sometimes make it harder to fight infection, I think.
MIchelle
In a
Thanks, Hideyo. She got through the surgery ok, had 3 teeth extracted, and
was very cuddly and purry last night. She did not want to eat this morning
until about an hour after getting pain killer meds (meloxicam). The vet
said he was not positive her reluctancy to eat without pain meds is
Thanks, Janine. I have been trying to get her to eat the raw diet I am
feeding to Lucy and Patches, but she hates it. She will eat a little if I mix a
spoonful in with about 3 times that amount of baby food, but that's it. I
think she has gingivities.
I made a vet appointment for her tomo
Thanks, Belinda. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I was going
to get blood work, but I was thinking of holding off. Now I think I should take
her, right?
I have her clindamycin liquid today and she gagged and threw up right
away. She then ate a little and held it down, so I
FYI from the IBD group...
Michelle
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Hey Jen - our vet gave us beef flavored prednisone liquid. I mix it into
Georgia Brown's food - he is IMPOSSIBLE to pill, and that's his little
appetizer. Once he has eaten it all up, he can have his regular meal. Works
fine. He m
Oh my god, Jen, I am so incredibly sorry and upset. It is a shock to
me, even with his recent decline, and must be an incredible shock to you. I am
so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/12/2006 10:06:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More
later as the pain is a
Flax oil is supposedly very unstable and that's why they sell it in dark
bottles, so I would not keep it for more than a day. If you need to blend
more than one day's worth, I think I would throw the extra out (or give it to
someone else in the house, as it is good for anyone) and start ove
FYI, group on caring for feral cats, and this email has link to group on
bottle feeding kittens...
Michelle
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Hello,
Welcome to Feral_Cats! I hope you find your stay here very enjoyable and
informative. We have many great members with plenty of experience. Feel free
to
Sending prayers and good thoughts...
Michelle
I second this feeling, especially having just tried the IBD group, which is
nothing like this group and I have already unsubscribed. Thanks for being such a
great group of people.
Michelle
I am so sorry.
Michelle
Del, you have been through so much. I am so sorry. Our cat Arthur, at
my mom's, died the same way.
Michelle
Jen, what an incredible dream. I have heard that when people have
dreams like that it is the person coming back from the dead to let you know they
are ok. I had a dream like that about my horse Shire a few days after his
death, and it comforted me greatly for a while.
Michelle
I am so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/14/2006 5:23:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sad news-
Tiggie died yesterday, surrounded by loving humans, her 2 vets and
myself.
She went downhill very fast by the time I got her to our vet, she was
on he
I thought Lucy was doing much better since being on raw food-- her chronic
loose stool of the last few months went away after 1 day on the raw food and she
was doing great. The starting the night before last she has been vomiting after
each meal (with the possible exception of yesterday morni
she has never had vomiting or hairballs before. i think it is more
likely IBD. I fear it is lymphoma, but hope not.
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:17:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I guess they can
check on her ultrasound or X-ray or something to see what’
Thanks. I don't think she has a thyroid problem though. She is 4.5
years old and does not have other symptoms of thyroid issues. She had
loose stools for 2 months before going raw, and I think it is more likely
related to that. Or something worse.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4
Thank you!!!
Michelle
In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:23:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don’t think it’s
lymphoma --- I don’t know why.. I just don’t feel that she has (so much of my
medical opinion, huh??) – the meantime, let’s think positive, Michelle
Thanks, Tonya. That does make me feel a little better. She only vomited
right after eating. She then wanted to be fed again!
I have not fed her for about 10 hours now. I think I am going to wait until
the morning. So you think if she vomits after getting a little food in the
morning I shou
I'm vegan so the only meat products I have are for my cats, and chicken
broth hasn't been something I have thought to stock. A lot of vet websites
on vomiting say to fast for 24 hours. I don't know if she has been drinking, but
if she has she has not been vomiting it. She does not seem dehy
Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy had bladder
surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring here,
unfortunately.
So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with reglan? How long
would you have to give him reglan for, and could you tell w
Lucy has not been diagnosed with ibd, but it is what I suspect (and hope,
alternative being lymphoma, but the soft stool issue started almost 3 months
ago, which is a long time ago for lymphoma).
Anyway, she held down a little cooked turkey for an hour this morning so I
gave her more, that
Thanks, Nina. I just got this email this morning. I did fast her
overnight, and she was HUNGRY this morning. I fed her three small meals of
cooked turkey in its broth, an hour apart, and so far so good, knock on wood (I
went downstairs to check for vomit again in the middle of that sentenc
She lost 1 lb, not 2. She does not feel dehydrated, and I am giving
her a lot of broth now with her little turkey meals.
Thanks,
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:58:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, I hope she
continues to get better – I am thi
Nina, you should definitely post on the 2 yahoo FIV lists. I found a
home for Charlie, from the shelter, that way (though we had to drive him to VA
from MA!)
Michelle
I do that too. My sheep's acupuncture vet told me yesterday that
sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, but sometimes it is the right
thing and that I have problems doing that.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nina
I know. I hate that Quincy is confined that way in my house. But I do not
know what else to do. I do not want to mix my positives and him, but even
if I did he can not be around other cats. The reason I have him is that my
friend rescued him but he bit a hole through one of her cat's tail
I am hoping too. Bailey has been such an inspiration to all of
us. I have found dexamethasone to be helpful with anemia where it is
caused by lymphoma-- in combo with chemo. Kerry had luck with it with
Bandy too, in combo with all that other stuff.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2
Belinda, just as a pep talk-- Simon's HCT went down to 13 from lymphoma and
then back up to 32 with steroids and chemo. He died two months later from
anemia, but that final anemia came on suddenly and the oncologist said it was an
auto-immune response to the cancer (or maybe the chemo). Bu
Thanks, Tonya. That's exactly what I've done today, and so far so
good. She finally seems full and did not want the last bowl of turkey and
broth I offered her. She gained some of the weight back already. knock on
wood.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/2006 6:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard
Yes, that definitely describes Charlie. But he is also very meek--
he's this HUGE cat and one time a little twerpy pipsqueak kitten who was about 3
months old and very small ran over and hit him on the head and he actually
cowered. He is the biggest pacifist I know. The woman who adopted h
Kerry, is Bandy FeLV+ too?
Patches, who is FeLV+, tested FIV+ at her last vet visit as well.
Hideyo said it could be a false positive.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/18/2006 9:52:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Nina,
I have read some post about Starm
Neil,
Kerry's cat Bandy went from a fairly low HCT back up to
32 from being on a combination of meds and supplements. If no one has forwarded
you one of the emails describing Bandy's regimen I can forward it to you, since
I saved it.
It kind of depends on the cause of the anemia. I
It sounds like her anemia is nonregenerative. Which to me means one of two
things-- that it is lymphoma in her bone marrow, or that it is kidney-related
and epogen might help.
My Simon had lymphoma in his bone marrow, and chemotherapy along with some
heavy steroids when he first went out o
I was wrong in one of the things I said in my last email, then. I hope it
is hemo.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/18/2006 3:31:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Neil, Hemo can be non-regenerative as well as
regenerative.
I doubt he has seroconverted, especially if he is still having anemia and
other problems. I would not do another FeLV test, at least not now. I
think that cats who seroconvert usually do so a little while after contracting
the virus, but I am not sure.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/19/2
I have been following this thread and wanted to say something, but I can
not figure out what it is that I want to say. I have longed for a sign
from mine also, and fear that the lack of a sign means either that there is
nothing after death or that they are mad at me for what I did or did no
Nina, you must think I am such a basket case. While I do get very
worried, I am not sure I keep my cool any less than most of us on this list. I
just love my babies and have been through a lot in the last few years, so I get
nervous at signs of illness.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/17/20
Wendy, I didn't mean that I wonder if animals don't have a spirit and
humans do. I meant I wonder if there is anything for any of us after
death. If there is something for humans I am sure it is there for animals
too.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/20/2006 12:08:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Ti
Hi. Lucy, who had loose stools for a few months until putting her on raw,
now has not moved her bowels for 3 days. I am not sure if it is
constipation or not. She had a vomiting episode on Sunday and Monday morning,
and on Sunday and Monday had two very very long solid bowel movements. I
f
Well, I guess she is not constipated, because she had a normal size bowel
movement a little while ago. It was solid, and had more blood on it than
she has ever had-- it sort of coated one end of it. I don't know if that
means colitis, or just irritation from having a solid bowel after days
Thanks, Hideyo!
In a message dated 1/20/2006 6:34:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle
L, Gloria, Kerry, and Kat, if you haven't read it, don't buythem, I am
sending you as a gift to you guys as an appreciation from myfurry babies
for your donation to "H
I'm feeding her the Feline Futures Instincts TC supplement mix with ground
turkey from the health food store and ground turkey organs from Oma's. I
have to partially cook half of it now, and then mix in the raw, because since I
fed her cooked turkey after her fast she does not want totally
Lucy had loose stool for over 2 months, which was helped by pred but only
went away completely on a raw diet. She then got constipated this week, about 3
or 4 weeks into the raw diet. I gave her olive oil, which helped. But now
she is refusing to eat her turkey diet, raw or cooked. She seem
Lucy actually does really well with turkey, which is why I picked turkey
for her raw diet. She does not do as well with other meats. She is
not doing badly from the turkey diet either, just decided she is through with it
and won't touch it now.
I am glad your cat does so well on EVO. It
Thanks for the long post, Nina. Lucy now will not eat the EVO or the
canned food. She ate some baby food, probably half a jar. Just to see if it is
pickiness or nausea, I offered her two pieces of a dry food she used to eat, and
she did eat them right away. I am afraid to give her more of t
Marlene,
My Patches, who is positive, just had 3 teeth out. I had the
same concerns you have, and so refused to get the teeth out when the vet first
told me to about 4 months ago. But then she started having trouble eating,
so I did it. I went to an actual veterinary dentist, and I reco
Oh my God, Belinda, that is so amazing about his HCT! Knock on wood!
So, so amazing! Please keep us updated!
Slippery elm sometimes helps with diarrhea too, and is good for nausea as
well.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/23/2006 5:50:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] w
You know, I seem to remember seeing somewhere, when I was researching
dental problems in cats, that it can cause pica, which is the licking concrete
thing. I am not sure, though-- I have researched so many things lately
that it could have said IBD or something else other than dental problem
Actually, Simon only ate yogurt once and then decided he didn't like it.
What he was crazy for was sour cream, but that does not have the probiotics in
it that help diarrhea the way yogurt does. It also depends, though, how
Bailey does with milk products-- when Lucy first got loose stools i
Interferon should not hurt-- no reported side effects-- and I think most
people give it to try to prevent problems, so yes, go ahead!
Michelle
In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:07:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
my
question is this... should a person try the inter
I actually did try sauteeing it in some water and giving her the broth. She
has liked that the past few weeks but would not touch it today. But I
think there may be something wrong with this batch of turkey as it was less red
than the last batches.
I had not thought to add salt. That is a
No. I have thought of it, but would have to take her to vet to get
it. I am in-between vets with her right now-- the one I was using
basically did not want to treat her anymore until I get her an endoscapy (scope
of her intestines) which I did not want to do at this point. I switched
Quin
Ah, I wish I could drink taquila, but I have gastritis (raw stomach lining)
and so can not drink any alcohol. Would be nice though! (though i
think taquila tastes horrible, actually!)
Lucy never eats as much as the other cats. But when she was eating
the raw food she ate about 4 bowls f
No, never heard of it. What is it?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:24:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, Anyone. Do your vets use a 'bearhugger' device with surgery
and charge you extra for it??? It's supposed to be something so much better
That's good to know! Thanks!
In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:53:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
EVO is a
lot more concentrated and filling (according to Kitty) than a lot of other
foods.
You should see the way that Ginger scratches and paws next to any food she
does not feel like eating, as if to say it is so repulsive she can not bear
seeing it and would I PLEASE dispose of it and give her something edible.
Ginger stayed at my mom's for a month when we were moving (I had b
I know, I have thought of that. But if I give her something that she
actually wants to eat, she eats it and does not cover it. If I cater to
her and keep opening things until I hit what she wants, she covers everything up
until I hit the right thing and then digs into that one. The fact th
Interferon alpha, the one that is available in the U.S., is something that
you give at home, orally (in a syringe). Your vet does not administer it.
There are different protocols. Most people do 1 ml a day for seven days, then
seven days off, then repeat. Some people, myself included, do 1
It is true that I don't think I would give a lot of dex long-term. But
I have seen it help short-term, like giving one or two dex shots and then
just continuing with the pred-- the oncologist started simon off with one dex
shot and then did pred for a while, e.g. And i have seen it help fo
Yes. Combo shots of dex and depo. Depo is long-term and sort of instead of pred, can last about a month. I am not sure I would even ask about Depo though at this point. If he is improving on low doses of pred I think I would try the higher doses. The thing about Depo is that it stays in the sy
misaddressed this the first time...
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I gave Lucy 1 mg of Periactin (half the normal dose) yesterday at about 5 pm to see if it would make her more interested in eating the foods that are good for her. I had never given it to her before. Starting a few hours later she began
I think it is mostly common in large dogs, not small ones, and I have never
heard of it with a cat.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:40:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have never heard of this except in horses Has anyone
else? If horses and dogs
Sending prayers for Ruby E!
Michelle
I did respond to one of the emails about her. She was better by
the next afternoon, so it was the Periactin. However, all that other food she
ate after refusing her turkey eventually gave her diarrhea again, which is
frustrating. I actually gave her a pred this morning (please don't tell
I did try Lyprinol, and that is the night that she started throwing up
every meal, which she only got over through fasting. I have no idea if it
was the lyprinol or not, and kind of think it wasn't, but am not willing to find
out.
I do intend to go to 2.5 mg either tomorrow or the next da
Thanks, Nina. But of course she threw up the turkey that she ate so
voraciously last night, so back to the drawing board! I gave her turkey
baby food this morning and am waiting to see how she does on it. The pred
makes her voracious, and she thinks it is very mean of me to give it to her
Wendy, I am exactly the same way. Thank God you did NOT take Stretch
for further testing, as I probably would have given my own paranoias-- besides
the money, it would have put her through a lot of unnecessary stress while she
was already sick. I don't think you are silly at all for having
I think you meant pat on the back,and yes she does deserve one. If it
is IBD or inflammation, Nina and I both found that raw turkey diet helps.
Does she have loose stools? I am not sure why that would make her wobbly
though.
Anyway, you must feel somewhat relieved. Good jon, Hideyo!
M
Of those, I have only tried Felidae (chicken and rice flavor), Wellness
(all kinds), and Innova. The cats would only eat Innova every once in a
while, so even though I liked the ingredients best they do not get it very often
(Ginger is the only one on normal food right now anyway, and she is
Not stupid at all. Kind of cute actually. English has so many bizarre
idioms that I do not know how anyone who did not grow up speaking it can ever
figure them all out.
By the way, I used to speak Spanish at work and while I was
very proficient and could communicate anything I needed to
Good ideas, Nina. Will I have the energy to implement them? That remains to
be seen.
I might go buy a tray and try that, though, since that seems like the most
promising idea. Maybe I will carry her bowl up to her on it with a vase with a
flower in it, so she can feel like a real princess.
Hideyo,
I don't have the contact info, or know for sure what
their opinion is, but here are a few:
1. Alley Cat Allies in DC
2. Kitty Angels in New Hampshire/MA (let me know if you can't find it on
the web)
3. Little Big Cats (state?)
4. try Best Friends of course
5. Delta Anim
I was just thinking of the two of you and wondering how he is doing
today.
Michelle
Amy,
A lot of cats get sick with fevers, etc. when they first
contract FeLV, and some get sick on and off afterwards too. Kerry who has
Bandy on this list serve has been dealing with, and effectively controlling,
fevers and other symptoms for a while now, and you can find her posts in
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