Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 05.02.2006, at 00:56, John Howell wrote: At 12:19 PM -0500 2/4/06, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Surely the fact that Petrucci part-books are completely different to the layout of known contemporary performance sources is in itself evidence that th

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 12:19 PM -0500 2/4/06, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Surely the fact that Petrucci part-books are completely different to the layout of known contemporary performance sources is in itself evidence that these may not have been used as such? Only if

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Surely the fact that Petrucci part-books are completely different to the layout of known contemporary performance sources is in itself evidence that these may not have been used as such? Only if his layout presents difficulties for performance

Re: [was] [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Petrucci's first publications (Odhecaton, Canti B, Canti C) are fully in the tradition of the late franco-burgundian small choir-book format (such as Paris Rès.Vmc. ms. 57 "Nivelle de la Chaussèe" or Dijon 517) and their Italian and German relatives (Florence 2439 "Basevi Codex", Bologna Q

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Andrew Stiller wrote: Many wealthy people over the centuries have padded their "libraries" with books they've never read and had no intention of reading, so my first thought is that wealthy people of Petrucci's time bought them just so they could appear more erudite than they really were.

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Many wealthy people over the centuries have padded their "libraries" with books they've never read and had no intention of reading, so my first thought is that wealthy people of Petrucci's time bought them just so they could appear more erudite than they really were. Most such books were n

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dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: At 5:25 PM + 2/1/06, Owain Sutton wrote: I don't accept that the success of Petrucci's innovation is proof that these books were being bought primarily to use for performances. It's too big an assumption. I like to draw a parallel with minature s

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: At 5:25 PM + 2/1/06, Owain Sutton wrote: I don't accept that the success of Petrucci's innovation is proof that these books were being bought primarily to use for performances. It's too big an assumption. I like to draw a parallel with minature scores of symphonic

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: At 5:25 PM + 2/1/06, Owain Sutton wrote: I don't accept that the success of Petrucci's innovation is proof that these books were being bought primarily to use for performances. It's too big an assumption. I like to draw a parallel with minature scores of symphonic

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 5:25 PM + 2/1/06, Owain Sutton wrote: I don't accept that the success of Petrucci's innovation is proof that these books were being bought primarily to use for performances. It's too big an assumption. I like to draw a parallel with minature scores of symphonic repertoire - sure, th

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 2/1/2006 12:25 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: >I don't accept that the success of Petrucci's innovation is proof that >these books were being bought primarily to use for performances. It's >too big an assumption. I like to draw a parallel with minature scores >of symphonic repertoire - sure, they

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: Petrucci was a shrewd (or very lucky) businessman. But, we do not know who he sold books to, or even how many he sold. And it's most likely that he chose pre-existing music which he knew would sell well, and therefore is irrelevant in the context of how composers work.

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: So, we are supposed to just ignore things? In response to my The way to control such behavior is simply not to respond. At all. Not to drag this out any further, but you've misunderstood my recommendation. "Ignoring things" would mean r

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 7:36 PM + 1/30/06, Owain Sutton wrote: Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Petrucci was a shrewd (or very lucky) businessman. But, we do not know who he sold books to, or even how many he sold. Early printed music, right up through at least the 17th

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 11:26 AM + 1/30/06, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: At 10:53 AM + 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote: Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit more evidence before making such claims about Dufay or Josquin with such certainty! In DuFay's lifetime the popularity

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

I mostly just lurk around here, but I get a lot out of the list and I'd like to comment on this thread. I've come around from an initial petulance to appreciating David's contributions because I like the clarity of his thought and the care he takes in framing his arguments and in dissecting the op

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

On 31.01.2006 Raymond Horton wrote: I really thought we were done with all of this. As someone who has been on the receiving end of David's barbs on occasion, I have to say that the criticism of him has gone way overboard. Anyone else for calling an end to this and getting back to Finale and

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

Eric, You have made your point. We could all benefit by moving on. RBH Eric Dannewitz wrote: So, we are supposed to just ignore things? ... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

Somehow, I see Fenton with a microphone practicing football announcing and I shutter..as I shuttered when Dennis Miller was on Monday night football..;-) Phil Daley wrote: Article in this week's Computerworld: "Seven People of Highly Ineffective Habits" #5 The "Howard Cosell

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

Article in this week's Computerworld: "Seven People of Highly Ineffective Habits" #5 The "Howard Cosell" "tells it like it is, " regardless of the consequences for himself and others. Tact is not in his vocabulary. Like his namesake, he always has an opinion, and he won't hesitate to give i

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

So, we are supposed to just ignore things? Almost all the other lists have some sort of etiquette, either written or implied. I think that is what those of us who dislike Fenton's post are seeking. There is no etiquette at all in his posts. His response is "if you don't like it, delete me", whi

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

On Jan 30, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Anyone else for calling an end to this and getting back to Finale and tangential musical discussions? Two things: 1) People who are deliberately rude do it because they wish to get a rise out of people, so as to validate their own existen

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Please, just disregard him. I mean, he has lost credibility when he failed to read the manual. We really don't need to get into a Fenton diagnosis thread. I think everyone on the list knows what he is.. Éric Dussault wrote: Le 06-01-30 à 20:43, David W. Fenton a écrit : And, again, you

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Well, except for that Oboe joke. I'm sure it offended some Oboist somewhere..;-) Éric Dussault wrote: Le 06-01-30 à 20:43, David W. Fenton a écrit : If this list were moderated it would cease to be interesting. I've seen it happen in other forums -- people complain about "rude

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

There should be a tag on your email saying "Don't feed the troll". David W. Fenton wrote: Finally! I've been suggesting this all along. It's how I deal with trolls in other forums whose posts I'm not interested in reading. And, again, you insist on drawing the thing out by posting yet agai

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 30 Jan 2006 at 20:48, Éric Dussault wrote: > I think you're sick David. HOW DARE YOU BE SO RUDE AND INSULTING AND OFFENSIVE!!! ;) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

dhbailey wrote: I have to disagree here -- to Glenn Miller, melody was supremely important. Being able to dance to the music was important as well, but melody was very important. I think it was because for the audiences for which he played, dance music had to have melody AND beat. Otherwi

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart - now Finale list vs D. F.

I really thought we were done with all of this. As someone who has been on the receiving end of David's barbs on occasion, I have to say that the criticism of him has gone way overboard. Anyone else for calling an end to this and getting back to Finale and tangential musical discussions?

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Le 06-01-30 à 20:43, David W. Fenton a écrit :And, again, you insist on drawing the thing out by posting yet again  without actually adding any useful content to the list. It completely  baffles me as to why your post needed to be made in public. I honestly don't care about the content if it is off

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Le 06-01-30 à 20:43, David W. Fenton a écrit : If this list were moderated it would cease to be interesting. I've  seen it happen in other forums -- people complain about "rudeness"  from other posters and demand a moderated list. The list becomes  moderated and then nothing interesting is ever pos

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 30 Jan 2006 at 20:25, Éric Dussault wrote: > I just wish there would be a moderator on this list to kick you out. If this list were moderated it would cease to be interesting. I've seen it happen in other forums -- people complain about "rudeness" from other posters and demand a moderated li

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Le 06-01-30 à 09:20, David W. Fenton a écrit :I'm quaking in my boots at the idea that everyone is saying bad  things about me behind my back! Or on the list! Look, I've been around a long time participating in online  discussion, and I know how to hold up my end of a discussion. I'm not  afra

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

I didn't realise he'd finally finished it! (Yet another reminder that I've been out of the academic loop a bit too long...) Trouble is getting my hands on a copy around here, as $250 is a bit out of my reach at the moment ;) I'm intrigued to know if he's turned up firm evidence regarding Pet

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 30 Jan 2006 at 19:36, Owain Sutton wrote: > If you've got information on Petrucci's retail prices, a lot of people > would be interested in knowing it! Well, I believe we now have a pretty definitive survey of Petrucci's output, Stanley Boorman's "Ottaviano Petrucci: A Catalogue Raisonné":

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Petrucci was a shrewd (or very lucky) businessman. But, we do not know who he sold books to, or even how many he sold. Early printed music, right up through at least the 17th c., cost more--much more--than an MS becaus

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 30 Jan 2006, at 6:08 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: On 29 Jan 2006, at 7:41 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, the majority of indie rock fans roughly my age (let's say 21-40) are all in favor of timbrallly, structurally, lyrically sophisticat

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Petrucci was a shrewd (or very lucky) businessman. But, we do not know who he sold books to, or even how many he sold. Early printed music, right up through at least the 17th c., cost more--much more--than an MS because it looked better and wa

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006 at 18:59, Richard Yates wrote: [quoting me, unattributed:] > > I'm not sure why anyone > > thinks that public posts on that subject could be helpful under any > > circumstances. > > Because the posts are public, you know that everyone else knows that > the posts have been made and

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006 at 20:18, John Howell wrote: > At 10:53 AM + 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote: > > > >Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit more > >evidence before making such claims about Dufay or Josquin with such > >certainty! > > In DuFay's lifetime the popularity of one's

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: At 10:53 AM + 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote: Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit more evidence before making such claims about Dufay or Josquin with such certainty! In DuFay's lifetime the popularity of one's music can be measured by the number

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: At 5:24 PM -0800 1/29/06, Brennon Bortz wrote: John, Would you point me in the direction of this "OrchestraList"? I'd really appreciate it! Thank you, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure about the protocol for subscribing. A very nice bunch of very knowledgeabl

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Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can just hear Dick Clark's kids giving it a 10, because it has a beat and you can dance to it. (Probably dating myself) From discussions I've had mith my nieces and nephews and their contemporaries, most of the music fans now want the sam

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: dhbailey wrote: Writing music you detest to put bread on your table is selling out (think of those horrid German Dances and countless Minuets which Beethoven and Mozart wrote to put bread on their table) but writing music which you believe in but is tailored to someone's s

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Darcy James Argue wrote: On 29 Jan 2006, at 7:41 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, the majority of indie rock fans roughly my age (let's say 21-40) are all in favor of timbrallly, structurally, lyrically sophisticated music that challenges them as listeners. Th

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 5:24 PM -0800 1/29/06, Brennon Bortz wrote: John, Would you point me in the direction of this "OrchestraList"? I'd really appreciate it! Thank you, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure about the protocol for subscribing. A very nice bunch of very knowledgeable people: conductors, p

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> I'm not sure why anyone > thinks that public posts on that subject could be helpful under any > circumstances. Because the posts are public, you know that everyone else knows that the posts have been made and that, whether they agree with them or not [1], most will be noting the tone of your fut

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can just hear Dick Clark's kids giving it a 10, because it has a beat and you can dance to it. (Probably dating myself) From discussions I've had mith my nieces and nephews and their contemporaries, most of the music fans now want the same thing they wanted 50

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:44 PM, John Howell wrote: You mean Ländler? Nothing horrid about Haydn's use in symphonies in place of minuets (or Richard Rodgers' in "Sound of Music" come to that). Ah, the sexual tension in the Landler scene ... you could cut it with a knife. Dean And

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Jan 29, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: I can just hear Dick Clark's kids giving it a 10, because it has a beat and you can dance to it. Dean (Probably dating myself) From discussions I've had mith my nieces and nephews and their contemporaries, most of the music fans now want

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

dhbailey wrote: Writing music you detest to put bread on your table is selling out (think of those horrid German Dances and countless Minuets which Beethoven and Mozart wrote to put bread on their table) but writing music which you believe in but is tailored to someone's specific needs so t

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart At 1:32 AM -0500 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In order to stretch beyond the already-familiar, audiences need to >do some work, which starts with arts education in the schools, >public funding, and all the rest of it. And it&

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John, Would you point me in the direction of this "OrchestraList"? I'd really appreciate it! Thank you, Brennon Bortz On 1/29/06 5:18 PM, "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:53 AM + 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote: >> >> Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 10:53 AM + 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote: Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit more evidence before making such claims about Dufay or Josquin with such certainty! In DuFay's lifetime the popularity of one's music can be measured by the number of manuscripts contai

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006, at 7:41 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, the majority of indie rock fans roughly my age (let's say 21-40) are all in favor of timbrallly, structurally, lyrically sophisticated music that challenges them as listeners. They don't want simplicity

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, the majority of indie rock fans roughly my age (let's say 21-40) are all in favor of timbrallly, structurally, lyrically sophisticated music that challenges them as listeners. They don't want simplicity or sugarcoated accessibility or stereotypically pret

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006, at 12:31 PM, John Howell wrote: What is happening to that Popular Music in the early 21st century would make an interesting study. Commercialism rules, of course, but it always has. Modern communications simply makes it easier and quicker for it to act. Already jazz--at l

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At 1:32 AM -0500 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to stretch beyond the already-familiar, audiences need to do some work, which starts with arts education in the schools, public funding, and all the rest of it. And it's the job of music educators to motivate people to exercise their b

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Jan 29, 2006, at 4:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, I don't want to overstate Mozart's "independence" of public taste. But his father certainly lectured him repeatedly on taking more account of the tastes of his audiences, which suggests that at least one fine and perceptive musician though

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006 at 9:04, dhbailey wrote: > Writing music you detest to put bread on your table is selling out > (think of those horrid German Dances and countless Minuets which > Beethoven and Mozart wrote to put bread on their table) Horrid? I wouldn't say so. Utilitarian? Sure. Elevated in style

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 29 Jan 2006 at 19:39, Rodney Waterman wrote: > No need to be triumphal, David, about your often abrasive and > offensive posting style. Keith has simply requested that you treat > others on this list - especially those with whom you disagree - with > dignity .. not too much to ask? Well, so f

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 28 Jan 2006 at 20:04, John Howell wrote: > At 11:25 PM + 1/28/06, Owain Sutton wrote: > >John Howell wrote: > > > >>(Academic: A composer who earns a living teaching because s/he > >>cannot write music that earns a living, but argues that any music > >>that sells is a sellout.) > >> > > >

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On Jan 28, 2006, at 8:04 PM, John Howell wrote: are they willing to analyze the marketplace and produce music suited to it? Mozart did. Trying to suck up to potential employers is not the same as addressing a market. If that were so, then any slob who sends out a resume is an entrepreneur.

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dhbailey wrote: Writing music you detest to put bread on your table is selling out (think of those horrid German Dances and countless Minuets which Beethoven and Mozart wrote to put bread on their table) but writing music which you believe in but is tailored to someone's specific needs so the

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dhbailey wrote: I don't think John was saying that Wind Band music was the way forward -- he was just pointing out that it is a wide-open marketplace which embraces new music, so if someone wants to sell some music, writing music (not necessarily in a pandering or sold-out style) for the

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Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: At 11:25 PM + 1/28/06, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: (Academic: A composer who earns a living teaching because s/he cannot write music that earns a living, but argues that any music that sells is a sellout.) A thoroughly unfair st

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/28/2006 4:29:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That might help audiences of today feel more relaxed about orchestral music the way that audiences of 200 years ago felt. Not a stodgy presentation to be listened to in rapt sile

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John Howell wrote: At 11:25 PM + 1/28/06, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: (Academic: A composer who earns a living teaching because s/he cannot write music that earns a living, but argues that any music that sells is a sellout.) A thoroughly unfair stereotype. Most composer

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:01:06 -0500 From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Jan 2006 at 11:02, keith helgesen wrote: > D

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

In a message dated 1/28/2006 4:29:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That might help audiences of today feel more relaxed about orchestral music the way that audiences of 200 years ago felt.  Not a stodgy presentation to be listened to in rapt silence, but rather an event to

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

At 11:25 PM + 1/28/06, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: (Academic: A composer who earns a living teaching because s/he cannot write music that earns a living, but argues that any music that sells is a sellout.) A thoroughly unfair stereotype. Most composers I know who are in a

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

Title: Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart At 1:29 PM -0500 1/28/06, Andrew Stiller wrote: New Yorker music critic Alex Ross says much the same thing as David Bailey: Mozart did not come from nowhere. He was the product of a society that was avid for music on every level, that believed

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

John Howell wrote: (Academic: A composer who earns a living teaching because s/he cannot write music that earns a living, but argues that any music that sells is a sellout.) A thoroughly unfair stereotype. Most composers I know who are in academia would dearly love to be able to make e

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At 11:02 AM -0500 1/28/06, David W. Fenton wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 at 7:17, dhbailey wrote: There are many more composers over the past century than just Schoenberg. And audiences respond very favorably to many of them, if they're just given a chance to hear the music. While what you say is

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> What is Nigel Kennedy up to nowadays? (Other than turning fifty this > year, that is...)I heard him play a wonderful concert of baroque concertos at the Gewandhaus in Leipzig last spring during the Bach Festival. Fabulous performances, though I do think in some places he has pressed his fast

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In a message dated 28/01/2006 18:56:38 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the few pleasures of growing old is that you get to watch history at work. Yes, Yes, Yes!   How I wish I could convince some of my friends of the truth of this!  They told me that getting older w

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Owain Sutton wrote: dhbailey wrote: Nigel Kennedy may get glares from the blue-haired set when he steps out in sequins and with colored, spiked hair, but the interest that he sparks among the younger folks is amazing to see. He shows them that classical music (both from the Classical er

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Keith, unlike some of David's other remarks, this one was not directed at any individual on this list -- that is, unless anyone here self-identifies as "someone who resists anything but the familiar." And since basically the entire classical music establishment (and increasingly, the jazz e

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9-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2006 12:01 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart On 28 Jan 2006 at 11:02, keith helgesen wrote:

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On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:17 AM, dhbailey wrote: Well, many symphonies are teetering on the brink of extinction and they're still programming music by long-dead composers, so one would think that rather than try to more of the same only with more energy (which is proving to be their undoing) t

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On Jan 27, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I can't wait until May 2013 when the premiers of "The Rite of Summer," "The Rite of Fall," and "The Rite of Winter" will occur on the first half of a concert to celebrate the 100th anniversary of a certain piece! One of the few pleasures of grow

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On Jan 27, 2006, at 3:40 PM, dhbailey wrote: How about composers who had been dead 50 years? Did they receive retrospective concerts? I don't think so. Handel, at the very least. Mozart didn't expect to have to wait for 200 years before his music would be heard, and I think he would laug

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New Yorker music critic Alex Ross says much the same thing as David Bailey: Mozart did not come from nowhere. He was the product of a society that was avid for music on every level, that believed in the possibility of an all-encompassing musical genius. This is Romantic codswallop. The huge pea

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dhbailey wrote: Nigel Kennedy may get glares from the blue-haired set when he steps out in sequins and with colored, spiked hair, but the interest that he sparks among the younger folks is amazing to see. He shows them that classical music (both from the Classical era and also from our ow

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On 28 Jan 2006 at 7:29, dhbailey wrote: > if the production values of > Las Vegas or Broadway are what attracts audiences and sponsorship, > then perhaps it is time to lose the tuxedo/black-tie nature of > classical music, and get orchestras to look as if they are actually > members of this centu

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On 28 Jan 2006 at 7:17, dhbailey wrote: > There are many more composers over the past century than just > Schoenberg. And audiences respond very favorably to many of them, if > they're just given a chance to hear the music. While what you say is certainly true, there's an unintended knock at S

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>I wasn't the only one who had problems with that statement. I have a problem with any statement that does nothing with Finale .. Oh I guess I became one of them now ... -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA ___

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Chuck Israels wrote: A couple of weeks ago, I had a conversation with my brother, Marc Bauman, who is a producer for Live From Lincoln Center. He says that there is great difficulty filling the seats at all the LC venues, and many events are less than half full. Either few can afford the

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Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Unless, perhaps, one is trying to keep, say, a symphony orchestra in business. It may be that a line has to be walked between educating one's audience and providing enough literature within their comfort zone to keep them coming to concerts. It does no one any good

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Kim Patrick Clow wrote: At the risk of overstating the obvious (and a wee bit off topic), I wanted to wish everyone on the list a Happy Mozart's Birthday (250th to be precise). His music was my first exposure to classical music over 25 years ago. My love of Mozart hasn't diminished at all. In

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

A couple of weeks ago, I had a conversation with my brother, Marc Bauman, who is a producer for Live From Lincoln Center. He says that there is great difficulty filling the seats at all the LC venues, and many events are less than half full. Either few can afford the prices, or few are in

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 28 Jan 2006 at 11:51, keith helgesen wrote: > To paraphrase- "if you don't agree with my opinion, you should rot- > because you are stupid, un-educated, and not worth a place in the > company of *real* musicians (like DF)- but it doesn't matter- you'll > be dead soon" That's not by any means a

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 28 Jan 2006 at 11:02, keith helgesen wrote: > David- you really are very offensive sometimes. I don't try to be. I just call it as I see it. In this case, I found the post that I was responding to highly offensive, myself, since it was quite insulting to present-day composers, blaming them

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

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Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 27 Jan 2006, at 7:02 PM, keith helgesen wrote: David- you really are very offensive sometimes. I often disagree -- vehemently -- with David Fenton, but he's right on the money here. If he's offensive, maybe it's because he touched a nerve? As to people who *do* resist anything but t

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Mr. Ross offers wonderful advice, but I don't make his salary. Most concerts here in the New York City are, forget about it. They're out of my price range. Yes, I know about the few free concerts here, I attend them as often as possible. And most CDs aren't cheap either. I have limited di

RE: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

David- you really are very offensive sometimes. Anyone not of the same opinion as you is either stupid, un-educated or nearly dead. (Presumably that means any one older than you!) Accept it- everyone is not like the all-knowing, never wrong David Fenton. News flash-!! Peoples tastes vary!!

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Unless, perhaps, one is trying to keep, say, a symphony orchestra in business. It may be that a line has to be walked between educating one's audience and providing enough literature within their comfort zone to keep them coming to concerts. It does no one any good to play Schoenberg to an

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 27 Jan 2006 at 12:31, Phil Daley wrote: > At 1/27/2006 11:40 AM, dhbailey wrote: > > >It's time we start celebrating the LIVING composers, those who are > >chronicling OUR TIMES in their music, reflecting OUR LIVES in their > art. > > The trouble with LIVING composers is that they don't wr

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 27 Jan 2006 at 15:40, dhbailey wrote: > The whole notion of playing music in public performance by composers > who had died 200 years ago is something new, something foreign to > Mozart's whole outlook on music, which was that music written by > living composers should be heard. Well, that con

Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart

On 27 Jan 2006 at 13:17, Andrew Stiller wrote: [quoting David Bailey, unattributed:] > > >It's time we start celebrating the LIVING composers, those who are > > >chronicling OUR TIMES in their music, reflecting OUR LIVES in their > > >art. [snip] > 2) The problem with the first of the quoted sta

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