Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

The original question is so far beyond my use of the program I was going to delete the whole thread. Glad I didn't, because Robert, that solution is wonderful. I appreciate someone that understands how a database is constructed at a “cellular” level. Dick H OlyWa > On Dec 29, 2017, at 2

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

I think it goes back to Fin07, but I'm not sure. On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: > Just for my own edification, do you know which Finale version they added > that to? > > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > > > On Dec 29, 2017, at 3:06 PM

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

Just for my own edification, do you know which Finale version they added that to? *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Dec 29, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > They did that to support cues, but it works for hard rests too. > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

They did that to support cues, but it works for hard rests too. On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:03 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: > I did not know that Robert. Thanks for the headzup. Learn something new > every day! > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > > > On Dec 29,

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

I did not know that Robert. Thanks for the headzup. Learn something new every day! *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Dec 29, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > You can apply a staff style of "Blank Notation With Rests" to the measures > with hard rests

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

You can apply a staff style of "Blank Notation With Rests" to the measures with hard rests where you want mm rests. Finale will then create multimeasure rests there. On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:18 PM, dc wrote: > I'm extracting parts from a piece that uses two different full measure > rests depend

Re: [Finale] rests in parts and multimeasure rests

You can’t get the multimeasure rests in the parts because you used real rests. Finale is doing what it’s supposed to do. If I understand your question, you want two different multimeasure rests, correct? If so, you can edit individual MMR in the part and change it to another shape you already

Re: [Finale] Rests between staves

one option: move rests PI for one hand, a staff style or manually hide in the other >This must be something I've forgotten. I'm sure I've done this before but >can't remember how. > >I need all identical lefthand/righthand rests in a keyboard part to be >centered between the staves (that is, ju

[Finale] Rests between staves

Hi all. This must be something I've forgotten. I'm sure I've done this before but can't remember how. I need all identical lefthand/righthand rests in a keyboard part to be centered between the staves (that is, just one rest showing for both hands). Thanks! Dennis ___

Re: [Finale] Rests

> Is there a way to move rests up or down without having to drag them with > the mouse? Barbara, I've always moved them in Simple Entry with the up/down arrows, but I've never heard of this method, either. I'll have to check it out. Douglas Brown Adjunct Professor, School of Music Wayland Bapti

Re: [Finale] Rests

Barbara, you could create a staff style to use even in small portions of a bar where you can position rests at your discretion. Giovanni > On 01 Sep 2015, at 23:07, Barbara Touburg wrote: > > On 1-9-2015 23:05, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: >> You could use the Move Rests plugin, which is espe

Re: [Finale] Rests

On 1-9-2015 23:05, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: > You could use the Move Rests plugin, which is especially helpful if you have > a large range of measure to move rests in. I use it all the time. Thanks! I never even knew it existed! ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] Rests

You could use the Move Rests plugin, which is especially helpful if you have a large range of measure to move rests in. I use it all the time. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote: > > Hello all, > > Is there a way to move rests up or down without havin

[Finale] Rests

Hello all, Is there a way to move rests up or down without having to drag them with the mouse? Thanks, Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

John, I agree with you on several levels. I don't do a lot of writing for solo piano, and when I do, I usually use the "make it clear" school of notation. And I hate clutter. So it's nice to know I don't have to pepper the score (not mine, but an intricate and in some ways convoluted, score of a

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

At 12:02 AM -0400 6/14/12, Linda Worsley wrote: >Don't know if this has ever been discussed. I have a client who uses a lot >of layers in his piano notation. Very useful, of course (He is using >Encore, and gives me pdfs of the Encore scores to enter into Finale.) Not >hard, but When he puts the

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

Thanks, everyone. Much appreciated! Linda Worsley On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Florence + Michael wrote: > Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the > music is in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her > comprehensive guide to music notation,

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the music is in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her comprehensive guide to music notation, "Behind Bars", in the section on part writing for keyboard instruments: "Keyboard writing can move from a single

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

Actually, no. Piano music can start/stop parts ("layers") on a beat by beat basis. This is preferable in non-contrapuntal contexts and is usually perfectly clear. On 14 June 2012 17:51, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > needs rests > > ___ > Finale mailing l

Re: [Finale] rests in layers

needs rests ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] rests in layers

Don't know if this has ever been discussed. I have a client who uses a lot of layers in his piano notation. Very useful, of course (He is using Encore, and gives me pdfs of the Encore scores to enter into Finale.) Not hard, but When he puts the notation in layers, he tends to leave layers incompl

[Finale] rests and copying

OK - this is a new one to me. Using FinWin2012, and I have 'enable dotted rests' quantized. That allows dotted eighths, which are needed in this piece. But when I copy a measure with, for example, a quarter, quarter rest and half rest, it pastes as a quarter and a dotted half rest. Why doesn't i

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8

I actually find the stacked up rests can be useful on occasions, especially in older music. I've had two examples of this this week when the number indicating the number of rests was unclear - I very quickly looked at the stacked rests to work out that the unclear number was an 8, not a 6, and tha

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8

At 11:24 AM +0200 5/14/10, dc wrote: And what's the kosher whole measure rest in 6/8 and 16/8? As far as I know a regular whole rest is ALWAYS the default for a full measure rest no matter what the meter. The only exception I can think of is the old fashioned and thankfully obsolete stacki

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8

Christopher responded to Dennis (dc) who wrote, in part: I'm transcribing an 18th century edition that systematically avoids using quarter rests in 6/8 or 12/8 - including on the beat, when there's only one eighth on the last part of the beat preceded by two eighth rests. by citing Ross' advoc

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8

On Fri May 14, at FridayMay 14 5:24 AM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note, quarter rest on the

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8

In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note, quarter rest on the same beat! He also says to use dotted quarter rests and dotted half res

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

John Howell wrote: What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a section, but that's still sometimes used. It's a good rule, but only for music that might need to be repeated ad lib - anything that might

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

On 12 Mar 2009 at 21:14, John Howell wrote: > At 8:49 PM -0400 3/12/09, David W. Fenton wrote: > >On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote: > > > >> What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure > >> that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a > >>

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

At 8:49 PM -0400 3/12/09, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote: What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a section, but that's still sometimes used. If there's a repeat

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

On 11 Mar 2009 at 17:35, John Howell wrote: > What I do NOT like is the old fashioned way of having to make sure > that a pickup partial-bar is subtracted from the bar at the end of a > section, but that's still sometimes used. If there's a repeat, how is that avoidable? Here's an example of a

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

At 12:28 PM -0700 3/11/09, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi List, In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see: 3 quarter rests 1 quarter rest and 1 half rest Is there a "correct" answer for this case or is it open to interpret

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

Ryan Beard wrote: Hi List, In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see: 3 quarter rests 1 quarter rest and 1 half rest Is there a "correct" answer for this case or is it open to interpretation? This music will be re

Re: [Finale] rests in pick up measure

What about a dotted half rest? At 3/11/2009 02:28 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: > >Hi List, > >In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the >instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see: > >3 quarter rests >1 quarter rest and 1 half rest > >Is there a "correct" answer for t

[Finale] rests in pick up measure

Hi List, In Common time, I have a pick-up measure of 3 quarter notes. For the instruments who don't play, would you prefer to see: 3 quarter rests 1 quarter rest and 1 half rest Is there a "correct" answer for this case or is it open to interpretation? This music will be read by beginners, in

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Darcy, I tried that, but it didn't work. I think there is some internal measure that is messed up (there are a few things we can't tweak). The weirdest thing about this bug is that older files open perfectly in 2008, but new ones don't. Christopher On May 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Darcy Jam

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On May 23, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Roemer, starting page 103. He NEVER uses dotted rests in any of his examples, Hmm, I wonder if MakeMusic was trying to discourage us from using dotted eighth rests at all in handcopied-looking music by making them so kludgy in 2008?

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On May 21, 2008, at 4:10 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? As for whether they're advisable

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On 22 May 2008, at 2:47 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: Darcy wrote: Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. (I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of 15/8.) I would have to object to that one. Hi Ryan, That's why I said I "might even con

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Darcy wrote: >Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. >(I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of >15/8.) I would have to object to that one. I think whole rests should be reserved for a whole bar of rest--just what the name implies--in

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

At 4:06 AM -0400 5/21/08, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? As for whether they're advisable or not, that's a different story. I personally don

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Hi Chris, What I was suggesting was that you could artificially move the right boundary on the eighth rest character (and other flagged rest characters) "too far" to the left -- so that it falls in the middle of the rest, or even all the way to the left. This should theoretically affect t

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Darcy, I've tried it, but everything seems to be OK and nothing I do really does anything. I am assuming the 8th rest character is #228 and the dot is #46 (that's what is selected in the Doc Options>Augmentation Dots), and both have nice tight boundaries to the edges of the glyphs. The pr

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Hi Chris, I haven't tried it, but I'm almost positive that you could fix this by adjusting the FAN for the eighth rest character in Jazz Font. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2008, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Michae

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

I should have been clearer. I should have said "hide the 3rd beat" not "hide the middle of the bar." Personally, I don't think half rests should be used in 3/4 on beat two or beat one for that matter. It looks clumsy to me. Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On May 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Michael Cook wrote: A couple of times I've sent a request to MakeMusic to make the handling of dotted rests more detailed. Like Darcy, I don't want dotted half rests and dotted quarter rests in 4/4, but I do want to use dotted eighth rests. I'd like an option

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Hi David, Except in compound meters, I have no problem with dotted half rests. (I might even consider using a dotted whole rest on beat 1 of a bar of 15/8.) In simple meters, you are right that the "one beat or less" rule for dotted rests prevails, although my preference is actually to on

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On 21 May 2008 at 4:34, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but > there's absolutely nothing wrong with the classic dotted eight rest > +sixteenth combo. That's actually much more clear than eight rest + > sixteenth rest+ sixteenth note. T

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On 21 May 2008 at 4:39, Christopher Smith wrote: > (BTW, I am of the "no dotted rests" school, though not hysterically. > I sometimes make exceptions for dotted half rests in 12/8 and some > composite metres.) In compound meters with dotted half as the beat, I don't see any problem with a do

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Ryan Beard wrote: Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8 correctly. Try this: Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill with

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Thanks for the help guys. I changed the quantization settings to allow dotted rests. Now my complaint is that Finale doesn't doesn't handle rests in 9/8 correctly. Try this: Enter a single eighth note at the beginning of the measure, exit out of Speedy and let Finale fill with rests. For me, it pu

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

A couple of times I've sent a request to MakeMusic to make the handling of dotted rests more detailed. Like Darcy, I don't want dotted half rests and dotted quarter rests in 4/4, but I do want to use dotted eighth rests. I'd like an option something like "allow dotted rests only within beat

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] Kind of a strange place for that option, just the same... [snip] With each of the most recent versions, I find that options are more and more placed in less logical places (at least they're less logical to me!) but this has always been the way with the dotted

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Yes, and those people are, at best, misguided. Rhythms of any complexity in compound meters are made even more difficult to read (and needlessly so) without dotted rests, which help visually clarify the beat structure. Even in 4/4, dotted half and quarter rests should be avoided, but ther

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On May 21, 2008, at 4:06 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and d

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 (Bailey's reply part II)

Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Christopher Smith wrote: On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fi

Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

On May 20, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fill a bar with rests, it us

[Finale] rests in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8

Hi Folks, couldn't find this issue in past threads, so I apologize if this is an oft-repeated question. How do you all feel about using dotted quarters in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and dotted halves in 12/8? If you tell finale to fill a bar with rests, it uses the quarter and eighth rests rather than dotted

Re: [Finale] Rests in pick-up measure

dc / 2007/03/29 / 04:01 PM wrote: >What rest does one use in a pick-up measure for silent parts? The value of >the pick-up, or the default whole measure rest? The value of the pick-up, or you won't know what you are resting for :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA

Re: [Finale] Rests in pick-up measure

On 29 Mar 2007 at 22:01, dc wrote: > What rest does one use in a pick-up measure for silent parts? The > value of the pick-up, or the default whole measure rest? Surely the value of the pickup, no? Otherwise, how would the reader of the part be able to get the measure count correct? -- David W

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

At 12:35 PM 07/17/2004, Richard Huggins wrote: >Thanks for your ideas. You may not have realized that only one stave is used >per pass--the tenor stave the first time and bass stave the second time. Yes, sorry, I didn't look closely enough. I thought it was just the first and second endings that u

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

> From: Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > BTW, on another unsolicited topic, you can force Finale to space bar > 44, tenor staff, correctly. .. You method you went on to explain works great. Kewl...thanks much! Left of stack...where WAS my brain??! > From: Aaron Sherber <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

At 3:08 AM -0500 7/17/04, Richard Huggins wrote: > From: Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe.

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

At 04:08 AM 07/17/2004, Richard Huggins wrote: >previous and subsequent sections are almost identical to this one. In this >case, the best way to do this was to put all the men in the tenor clef for >one repeat (singing certain parts) and then in the bass clef on the repeat >(singing different [i.e

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

> From: Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and > still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section > going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe. Just write it > out for everyone, without the

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

HI Richard, I absolutely agree with John. I read your explanation (w/diagram) and still couldn't make head nor tail of it. I can't imagine this section going well in rehearsal if you leave it as you describe. Just write it out for everyone, without the repeat. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] Rests or blank?

At 7:04 PM -0500 7/15/04, Richard Huggins wrote: I have a certain 5-measure choral section that involves the choir singing from one stave one time and another stave on the repeat. Because there is a 1st and 2nd ending, that means some measures have nothing in them. Use rests. But from bitter exper

[Finale] Rests or blank?

I have a certain 5-measure choral section that involves the choir singing from one stave one time and another stave on the repeat. Because there is a 1st and 2nd ending, that means some measures have nothing in them. Here's diagram, which I hope retains the line breaks: | ms1 |ms2 | 1