Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:50:48 - "Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You actually want to be very exact about matching the model to the FDM origin. ... Jim (or someone ... *anyone*): Could you summarize the argument taking place here? I seem to only be getting parts of it - I guess I did

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I was only using the CofG (and approximately at that) as a better visual > reference than the nose. I was only concerned to make things look right. I'm > sure that the FDMs are quite correct, or the models wouldn't fly very well, > if at all. I take it the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > You _might_ be right, but in the case we are talking abouth things are > different. For example use the "Tower view" and zoom enough to get the > details. Take off and stay 100 ft above the ground. Now push the > elevator violently aband you'll notice that

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Tried that. Looks just the same to me. As I said some time ago: yer pays yer > money and yer takes yer choice. Neither is right on the ground for > differential braking: with one brake full on the aircraft more or less > rotates around that wheel. The mode

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott asked > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] > > > "Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you put the model back to the nose and use the method > that the p51d > > and the pa28-161 use (the target

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
"Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you put the model back to the nose and use the method that the p51d and the > pa28-161 use (the target offset) you'll look better on the ground. BTW, it appears to me that the P-51 suffers from the same visual mishap as the PA-28 does (does this have t

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson wrote > Vivian Meazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > > > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa28-161 > > > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv12589 > > > > > > > Modified Files: > > > >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy wrote > > > Martin Spott wrote: > > Jim Wilson wrote: > > > If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as > > > well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of > > > the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is > moving, and the > > > nose is r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> Jim Wilson wrote: >> > If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as >> > well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of >> > the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is moving, and the >> > n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Andy Ross
Martin Spott wrote: > Jim Wilson wrote: > > If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as > > well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of > > the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is moving, and the > > nose is remaining stationary when in fact it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
"Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Martin Spott wrote: >> > At least in the _outside_ views the PA-28 still rotates around its nose >> > after the recent changes, >> >> That seemed funny to me as well, but when I looked from the outside view, it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Martin Spott wrote: > > > I can't withstand the impression that changing the _camera_ position > > didn't lead to the intended success. Take a simple stick and rotate it > > around one of its ends. For an observer the phenomenon is still the > > same ev

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Martin wrote: > > > > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa28-161 > > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv12589 > > > > > Modified Files: > > > pa28-161-yasim-set.xml > > > Log Message:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott wrote: I can't withstand the impression that changing the _camera_ position didn't lead to the intended success. Take a simple stick and rotate it around one of its ends. For an observer the phenomenon is still the same even when he changes his viewpoint. If you want to rotate the sti

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Josh Babcock
-0.7 That should do the trick :) David Megginson wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Actually, it isn't that. It is just the location that the "camera" points to. You don't want it pointing at the nose. So add the entry below to the external views in your xml wrapper that track the plane. The val

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: I wonder if we can model the broken air vent door on the pilot's side that blows -35 degC air on my feet when I'm flying in the winter. It's already there (parameter: --frostbite=mins where mins is number of minutes before you lose your toes). With that all you need is an old a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I wonder if we can model the broken air vent door on the pilot's side that > blows -35 degC air on my feet when I'm flying in the winter. It's already there (parameter: --frostbite=mins where mins is number of minutes before you lose your toes). With

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: Thanks -- that did the trick. The plane is actually flying well, and I'm starting to feel tempted to go back and do more work to make it a fully-usable alternative to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#na 172 -- after all, it would be nice for users to be able to fly a light single w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: Actually, it isn't that. It is just the location that the "camera" points to. You don't want it pointing at the nose. So add the entry below to the external views in your xml wrapper that track the plane. The value is the distance in meters from the FDM reference point (the n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Hunter/Models

2004-02-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:31:30 +0100, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Martin Spott wrote: > > > Anyway: Thanks for this very nice addition to the FlightGear hangar, > > I'm already investigating for a larger home airport. KSFO isn't going > to take it anym

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Martin Spott wrote: > > > Hello David, I like your PA-28 very much, but I can't resist to note > > that there is one 'feature' that is really annoying (I must admit that > > this word is a bit too strong in this context !): > > At least in the outside v

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Hunter/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Anyway: Thanks for this very nice addition to the FlightGear hangar, I'm already investigating for a larger home airport. KSFO isn't going to take it anymore. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.fli

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Jon Berndt
> > Hello David, I like your PA-28 very much, but I can't resist to note > > that there is one 'feature' that is really annoying (I must admit that > > this word is a bit too strong in this context !): > > At least in the outside views the aircraft rotate around its nose. > > It's difficult to tell

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott wrote: Hello David, I like your PA-28 very much, but I can't resist to note that there is one 'feature' that is really annoying (I must admit that this word is a bit too strong in this context !): At least in the outside views the aircraft rotate around its nose. It's difficult to tel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-03 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 23:38 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: > Who? The Empress? She was actually called Sisi ... http://dict.leo.org/?search=sissy&lang=de > That a solution for non-US-keyboards is necessary was never argued about, > and actually discussed a few times already. It's just that nobody f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
> The places where they put "unimportant" things like @, [, ], {, }, \, > etc. Face it: German keyboards may be suitable for secretaries or poets, > but they are a royal pain for technical stuff like programming. If you look back in history (damn, I'm not that old) keyboards _have_ been designed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 11:51 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: > Don't know. I'm Austrian. > No, seriously: I can't stand German keyboards. Their layout is brain-dead, > so I'm using an US-American one. I'd say that it's up to those who suffer > the most to fix the unfortunate situation. (I use the compo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-01-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Woohooo ! I take this as a compliment. Absolutely - with the gear retracted the F16 looks really 'smart'. I have been waiting all the time for a retractable gear but didn't dare to ask It never hurts to ask. It's just that it probb

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-01-12 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >>>Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/f16/Models >>>In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20447 >> >> >>>Modified Files: >>> f16.ac f16.xml >>>Log Message: >>>Add gear animation >> >> >> Woohooo ! > I take this as a compl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/f16/Models f16.ac, 1.17, 1.18 f16.xml, 1.8, 1.9

2004-01-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/f16/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20447 Modified Files: f16.ac f16.xml Log Message: Add gear animation Woohooo ! I take this as a compliment. Thanks! Erik ___ Flightgear-d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > Sure, there's a print() function which uses SG_LOG; for exactly this > purpose. There's even a fancy dump() method on a property node that > you can use to dump a property tree to the console. Ok, thanks, I eventually found it. Quite useful, thanks. :-) > It turns out to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > It appears (to me) to be a property setting problem. Andy, does > nasal have the ability to dump console output for temporary > debugging? Sure, there's a print() function which uses SG_LOG; for exactly this purpose. There's even a fancy dump() method on a property node

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curt wrote: > select = sel.getChild("engine", i); > Could there be a bug in this form of getChild()? Heh, bingo. That was exactly it. See the other post for notes. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightge

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > David, (Andy?) > > > > It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control > > the engines independently. > > This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the > engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of eng

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > David, (Andy?) > > > > It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control > > the engines independently. > > This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the > engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of eng

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2003-12-29 Thread Martin Spott
Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: >> Previously you could type... etc. to >> select an engine. Then '{' and '}' would select the magnetos. >> Finally, "space bar" would kick in the starter motor for as long as it >> was depressed. > > Let me take a look. I presum

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S Berndt writes: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:49:30 -0600 > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >David, (Andy?) > > > >It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control > >the engines independently. Previously you could type > > ... etc. to select an engine. Th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > David, (Andy?) > > > > It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control > > the engines independently. > > This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the > engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of eng

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:49:30 -0600 "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. Previously you could type ... etc. to select an engine. Then '{' and '}' would select the magnetos.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > David, (Andy?) > > It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control > the engines independently. This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of engines, and avoid the "why are there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Geometry frighter.ac, NONE,

2003-12-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27779 Added Files: frighter.ac Shou?ld this ship frighten us ? ;-) Only if it's directly above you ... Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, 1.3, 1.4 Rotorpart.cpp, 1.2, 1.3

2003-11-25 Thread Cameron Moore
David, As for the STL headers, use these instead: #include STL_IOSTREAM #include STL_IOMANIP There are actually many files that are not using these variables from simgear/compiler.h. It looks like the ATC code and JSBSim are handling this on their own instead of letting Simgear do it (though

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Nick Coleman
Just to clarify a couple of things re helicopters: Once the engine stops there is no torque and the helicopter can be autorotated to a safe landing using the same principle as a gyrocopter. This manouvre is part of training to get a licence and is practised many times. The danger with an auto

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Martin Spott
Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bo really can loop and act quite different to many other helos. Zimmerman flew a slightly modified (lubrication of the main gear box) BO-105 which was able to fly top-down, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its frie

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Mally
Innis > You are probably right.Just wonder if they would feel the same way if they > found something in here they could use. Contacting them about the panels might be a good way of introducing them to the joys of FlightGear if they're not already aware of it. :-) Mally --- Outgoing mail is ce

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Lee I just hate reinventing the wheel over and over.And as we have a bit of a shortage of panels in FG I thought it might be a way to get some more. Anyway there are a couple of people in MSFS who have given there permission so if I am going to persue this I will restrict myself to those desig

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Mally You are probably right.Just wonder if they would feel the same way if they found something in here they could use. Cheers Innis The Mad Aussi "Mally" > You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts > of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Lee Elliott
Hello Innis, Where people have given permission there is no problem at all but if a FG document says "you have to get this artwork for yourself because we aren't allowed to include it" then we're admiting that we don't have permission to use it but that there's a loop-hole that allows individua

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Mally
> You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts > of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort. > What problem would there be if the readme for a panel xml file said that it > would work with a certain MSFS background.As long as the person uses it > themsel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Mally
> My understanding of the tail rotor is to counteract the torque of the main > rotor and to rotate the helo around its Z axis in either a CW or CCW > direction depending on the lift supplied by the tail rotor. > Loss of a tail rotor more than likely will result in loss of the helo unless > the pi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Lee Elliott writes> Hi Lee You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort. What problem would there be if the readme for a panel xml file said that it would work with a certain MSFS background.As long as the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Maik Maik Justus writes Hi Innis, > The tail rotor could be tied to the rudder but it should give equal rotation around its axis regardless of the forward speed or lack of it of the helo. Hm. I hink this is only correct for acrobatic (3D) model-helos with a (so called) heading lock gyro, b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:03, Innis Cunningham wrote: > Hi Jim > Sorry mate the last time I worked on choppers was 30 years ago. > But what I could suggest is to download a MSFS panel you like and convert it > for FG use. > I have found that you can use the artwork of panels made for FS98 an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jim Sorry mate the last time I worked on choppers was 30 years ago. But what I could suggest is to download a MSFS panel you like and convert it for FG use. I have found that you can use the artwork of panels made for FS98 and then add the instruments from FG. While for a complete panel for FG

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Innis, Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Jim While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. On most modern helos the engine is co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, Oh, _that_ one is really nice. Although the heli is really very well thanks behaved (even with mouse any keyboard control I find it pretty easy to fly _and_land_)... The bo is a little bit different to most other helicopters. I don't say that this simulation is totally realistic, but it sh

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Curtis L. Olson wrote: It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I know anything about how a helo is supposed to fly ... Curt. The b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread David Megginson
Innis Cunningham writes: > While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a > bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle. It's just a terminology problem, not a flight-modelling problem -- it sucks using /controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle (or whatever) to manipulate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Innis Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi Jim > While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like > mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the > throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. > It is very interesting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jim While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. It is very interesting to see the look on the passengers faces when the pilo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if > you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still > slides backwards and turns -- we'll have to figure out why there are > forces acting on it. To test: > > fgfs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I > tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The > rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I > know anything about how a helo is suppose

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Martin Spott writes: > > > O.k., I'll try tomorrow. I'm curious why it didn't get triggered today. > > BTW, for those who never flew a heli: If you chose to stand outside > > then take a position on the left behind the helicopter. This makes the > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:02 -0400 > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if > >you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still > >slides backwards and turns -- we'll have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I > tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The > rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I > know anything about how a helo is supposed to fly ... Tr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:02 -0400 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still slides backwards and turns -- we'll have to figure out why there are forces acting o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott writes: > O.k., I'll try tomorrow. I'm curious why it didn't get triggered today. > BTW, for those who never flew a heli: If you chose to stand outside > then take a position on the left behind the helicopter. This makes the > first steps lots easier, There are still some problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Martin Spott writes: > > > O.k., I'll try tomorrow. I'm curious why it didn't get triggered today. > > BTW, for those who never flew a heli: If you chose to stand outside > > then take a position on the left behind the helicopter. This makes the > > first steps lots e

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Spott
"Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Oh, _that_ one is really nice. Although the heli is really very well >> behaved (even with mouse any keyboard control I find it pretty easy to >> fly _and_land_) I'm shure that crash detection should definitely be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 16 October 2003 18:10, Jim Wilson wrote: > Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim > > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7544 > > > > > > Added Files: > > > Rotor.cpp Rotor

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7544 > > > > Added Files: > > Rotor.cpp Rotor.hpp Rotorblade.cpp Rotorblade.hpp > > Rotorpart.cpp Rotorpart

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: www/Docs/InstallGuide getstart.css,

2003-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/www/Docs/InstallGuide > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv29188/Docs/InstallGuide > > > Modified Files: > > getstart.css getstart.html getstartap1.html getstartap2.html > > getstartap

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: www/Docs/InstallGuide getstart.html, 1.6,

2003-10-06 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/www/Docs/InstallGuide > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv19466/Docs/InstallGuide > > > Modified Files: > > getstart.html getstartap1.html getstartap2.html > > getstartap3.html getsta

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Instrumentation adf.cxx, 1.1, 1.2

2003-10-03 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Bernie Bright writes: > Haven't we seen this or something like it before? Instead of "fixing" the > code every time wouldn't it be easier to supply the missing comparison > functions for your platform: > > inline bool > operator!=( const std::string& lhs, const char*

re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Instrumentation adf.cxx, 1.1, 1.2

2003-10-03 Thread David Megginson
Bernie Bright writes: > Haven't we seen this or something like it before? Instead of "fixing" the > code every time wouldn't it be easier to supply the missing comparison > functions for your platform: > > inline bool > operator!=( const std::string& lhs, const char* rhs ) > { > ret

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38 T38.xml, 1.2, 1.3

2003-09-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 16 Sep 2003 08:39:26 GMT, Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/T38 > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv23354 > > > Modified Files: > > T38.xml > > I'd vote for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.17,

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Cockpit In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv3773 Modified Files: panel.cxx Log Message: Try to prevent z-buffer problems for video cards with a 16-bit depth buffer _Slight_ improvement on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, >> the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: >> >> http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png > What depth buffer do you have? I tested

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.16,

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman said: Martin Spott wrote: Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png I don't get it. Is this OpenGL implementation dependent or s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.16,

2003-09-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Martin Spott wrote: > > > Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, > > the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: > > > > http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png > > I don't get it. Is this OpenGL i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.16,

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png I don't get it. Is this OpenGL implementation dependent or something? I get much better result wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's meant to be the heath buildup that disturbs the airflow and hence > influences the visibility in the specific area. Personally I consider the cones a bit dominant for this purpose, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: and _if_ they appear the probably should be sort of yellow/orange, not white, Not really, the T-38 doesn't have an afterburner. It's meant to be the heath buildup that disturbs the airflow and hence influences the visibility in the specific area. Erik __

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Frederic BOUVIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> Erik Hofman wrote: >> > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/T38 >> > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv23354 >> >> > Modified Files: >> > T38.xml >> >> I'd vote for a modification of the 3D model. The cones behind

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38 T38.xml, 1.2, 1.3

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic BOUVIER wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'd vote for a modification of the 3D model. The cones behind the engines don't look _that_ realistic when sitting idle on the runway: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/T38_01.png This is where a blend animation can be useful Done. Eri

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Textures/Terrain airport.rgb, NONE, 1.1

2003-09-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Frederic Bouvier writes: > Erik Hofman wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Textures/Terrain > > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv478 > > > > Added Files: > > airport.rgb > > Log Message: > > Add a default airport cover > > binary ? ;-) > > BTW, do you consider applying the cvswra

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Scenery/w130n30/w123n37 02Q.btg.gz, NONE, 1.1 ...

2003-09-11 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Erik, there are a number of new airport objects added but you didn't update any .stg files. It seems incorrect to me. When flying around SF, I can see white squares that are the holes for the unloaded airports. Yep, Curtis told me about that just yet. I didn't know that (un

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker50/Models

2003-09-05 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 08:01, James Turner wrote: > On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 03:12 pm, Martin Spott wrote: > > > 3.) I know, you should not employ the flaps at 200 kts > > But if you do so, the aircraft climbs like attached to a high > > speed elevator :-) > > I've been flyi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker50/Models

2003-09-05 Thread Erik Hofman
James Turner wrote: I've been flying the Fokker 100 quite a bit, and I've noticed similar instabilities. Roughly (I am not a pilot) - very rapid control response, especially on the roll axis). This sometimes extends to a 'snap' condition where I command an aileron reversal (okay, I just pull

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker50/Models

2003-09-05 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:01:59 +0100 James Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - a similar elevator effect to that martin described, when deploying the flaps at high speeds - very odd high pitch angle behavior ... I can't really describe it, alas. It seems like way too much lift is getting developed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker50/Models

2003-09-05 Thread James Turner
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 03:12 pm, Martin Spott wrote: 3.) I know, you should not employ the flaps at 200 kts But if you do so, the aircraft climbs like attached to a high speed elevator :-) I've been flying the Fokker 100 quite a bit, and I've noticed similar instabilities

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker50/Models

2003-09-05 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: The F-50 has evolved to a really nice aircraft. But there are still a few issues that appear very strange to me: 1.) I need do accelerate the aircraft up to almost 200 knots before I manage to lift the nose. After this is done, the aircraft has an impressive climb rate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Lightingambient, 1.6, 1.7

2003-08-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: a. We are in the open terrain. b. It is a clear sky and there is almost unlimited visibility. Are you saying that the lighting would then be adjustable based on view? You didn't infer that earlier. If so, I'll sit tight. This means high

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Lightingambient, 1.6, 1.7

2003-08-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I can overwhelm you with pictures of other simulators that show this > isn't the right lighting for these situations... There is no "right" unless you can simulate the eye/brain, which you cannot. The eye is going to make it brighter than it really is at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Lightingambient, 1.6, 1.7

2003-08-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: What I'm trying to do now is get every lighting state to a completely sunny day with almost unlimited visibility. From there the state should be adjusted based on visibility, number of cloud layers and cloud types. That would be much easie

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Lightingambient, 1.6, 1.7

2003-08-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Take a look at this screenshot. The shaded part of the aircraft (and > buildings but thats hard to see) is much too bright. It's almost like it > is about four our earlier (and very foggy): > > > http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/f104-dawn.jpg > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Lightingambient, 1.6, 1.7

2003-08-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Hi Erik, I'm not sure what you mean by "saner values" for everything else. These values only affect the contrast, specifically the darkness of the shadows. Take a look at this screenshot. The shaded part of the aircraft (and buildings but thats hard to see) is much too bright.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.113, 1.114

2003-07-26 Thread Erik Hofman
Michael Selig wrote: At 7/26/03, Jim Wilson wrote: Is there a reason this can't be moved out of the main loop yet? It's been a while since it was last discussed, but I thought something was going to be done with it. The patch was one I submitted to Erik. How about this solution for now: Sim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.113, 1.114

2003-07-26 Thread Michael Selig
At 7/26/03, Jim Wilson wrote: Is there a reason this can't be moved out of the main loop yet? It's been a while since it was last discussed, but I thought something was going to be done with it. The patch was one I submitted to Erik. How about this solution for now: Simply delete or comment out

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/src/Network native_fdm.cxx, 1.12, 1.13 net_fdm.hxx, 1.5, 1.6

2003-07-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Bernie Bright writes: > These latest changes generate a compilation error: > > native_fdm.cxx: In function `void FGProps2NetFDM(FGNetFDM*, bool)': > native_fdm.cxx:252: invalid operands of types `float' and `unsigned int' to > binary `operator&' > > The gear_* members should be converted using ht

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