Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error

2012-08-07 Thread Chad Leigh Shire . Net LLC
Hi. I'll try this again. I run systems using FreeBSD 9.0 FreeBSD utah.XXXcom 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #1: Wed Mar 21 15:22:14 MDT 2012 chad@underhill:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/UNDERHILL-XEN amd64 and on those systems run a bunch of jails. I have Apache 2.2 built and running in the j

Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error

2012-07-27 Thread Chad Leigh Shire . Net LLC
Hi I run systems using FreeBSD 9.0 FreeBSD utah.XXXcom 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #1: Wed Mar 21 15:22:14 MDT 2012 chad@underhill:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/UNDERHILL-XEN amd64 and on those systems run a bunch of jails. I have Apache 2.2 built and running in the jail in question, and re

segmentation fault in sqlite3 on 6.2R amd64

2007-10-01 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi In installing trac I ran across a segmentation fault in the initenv command. This seems to be the same problem as shown here: http://www.nabble.com/ports-116383%3A-sqlite3-%28from-databases- sqlite3%29-segfault-tf4449251.html#a12694631 Running it in gdb shows Program received signal S

Re: Opinions Wanted: Dell PowerEdge Servers ... ?

2006-06-24 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Nick Withers wrote: I tend to think of Dell as a low-end provider that will cobble together systems based on whatever bits happen to be lying around (don't think that one PE 2650 is the same as the next!), which in turn are invariably the cheapest bits available fo

can't build Java 1.5.0 on FreeBSD/i386 6.0-RELEASE (inside jail)

2006-01-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi I have successfully built Java 1.4.2 inside a jail on 5.4, but am having problems doing the same thing for 1.5.0 on 6.0. I have all the Sun stuff downloaded as well as the linux 1.4.2 runtime port installed fine. The build ran for a million hours. At which point it came back with: gm

speccing an NFS server -- smp good or bad?

2006-01-08 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
For a FBSD (or Solaris 10) based server that is only acting as an NFS server and nothing else, is there any advantage to using an SMP machine? Any disadvantage? Does CPU speed play any great factor (ie, use a 1.8ghz opteron instead of a 2.2ghz opteron for example)? I am planning for a Sp

(also 5.4) re: Abort Trap for cron-jobs in 5.3

2005-08-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
a few months ago the following appeared in -stable " In the last episode (Mar 15), Niklas Saers said: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Niklas Saers wrote: > > I've got four servers that all have the same problem: when jobs get > > started from Cron, they die after some time with an "Abort trap". > > Jobs

URGENT -- AP #1 (PHY #1) failed -- what does this mean?

2005-07-29 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi Sorry for the URGENT line. I have a critical server running 5.4- RELEASE-p1. It is a dual AMD MP 2800+ (Gigabyte board) with 4GB RAM and an Adaptec 2100S raid controller. Running (obviously) an SMP kernel. I recompiled the kernel this afternoon and changed one line -- the options

interesting device full issue on jail host machine

2005-06-28 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
pid 80941 (tcsh), uid 5051 inumber 166876 on /local/jails/jail1: filesystem full pid 80941 (tcsh), uid 5051 inumber 166876 on /local/jails/jail1: filesystem full pid 80941 (tcsh), uid 5051 inumber 166876 on /local/jails/jail1: filesystem full pid 80941 (tcsh), uid 5051 inumber 166876 on /l

noob question on disk sizes and inode density

2005-06-28 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Ok I have an md(4) file system that I changed the block size and inode density on. The file was about 1.3GB in size originally and when using newfs with standard parameters shows about 1.3GB in size. My new parameters to newfs ( -f 512 -b 4096 -i 1024 -U -O 2) are meant to allow a lot

how to make "shared library cache" (ldconfig cache) changes permanent?

2005-04-22 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
I have a new directory I want to be always used to look for shared libraries. I do a % ldconfig -m /usr/public/lib and all is well. However, on reboot, the changes go away and I have to do it again. Does not work so well if things that start up at boot time rely on libraries in the new direct

Re: Stability problems with 5.3-Release

2005-04-21 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Christopher McGee wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 21, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Chris McGee wrote: I've got 2 identical boxes (Supermicro sys-6023P-8R) running with ZCR adaptec cards with 6 73Gig seagate scsi drives, 4 Gigs of ram, and dual 2.4 Ghz Xeons. Bo

Re: Stability problems with 5.3-Release

2005-04-21 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Apr 21, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Chris McGee wrote: I've got 2 identical boxes (Supermicro sys-6023P-8R) running with ZCR adaptec cards with 6 73Gig seagate scsi drives, 4 Gigs of ram, and dual 2.4 Ghz Xeons. Both of these machines are running 5.3-Release-p8. The usually run for a day, give or tak

kernel option HZ and mysql

2005-04-20 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
I have a self-compiled mysql 4.1 (4.1.9) on FreeBSD 5.3. (Not built from ports for various reasons). The system load skyrockets when the web server that is using the mysql for its PHPnuke storage starts to get 100 or so or more active sessions. It appears that mysql is the "culprit." The we

Re: 5.8TB RAID5 SATA Array Questions

2005-04-15 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Apr 14, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Benson Wong wrote: So theoretically it should go over 1000TB…I've conducted several bastardized installations due to sysinstall not being able to do anything over the 2TB limit by creating the partition ahead of time…I am going to be attacking this tonight and my eff

disk backed mdX type volumes -- overhead?

2005-04-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On FreeBSD 5.3, what is the overhead compared to a filesystem directly on the HW, of an /dev/mdX device with a file system on it living on the same HW device? Thanks Chad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l

Re: Digital Cameras

2005-04-08 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Apr 8, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Ralph wrote: --- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Sergei Gnezdov wrote: Is there a chance to get digital camers working with FreeBSD? All I need is load images from camera using USB port. Most digital camera's today i

Re: Digital Cameras

2005-04-04 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Sergei Gnezdov wrote: Is there a chance to get digital camers working with FreeBSD? All I need is load images from camera using USB port. Most digital camera's today implement the USB mass storage system, so you should just try and plug the camera in. It may work! C

Re: no flames, please.

2005-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 06:24:10PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Gary Kline wrote: PS: When did DEC ever have a PeeCee? I remember their 11/* machines fondly; the next thing I knew they got

Re: no flames, please.

2005-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Gary Kline wrote: PS: When did DEC ever have a PeeCee? I remember their 11/* machines fondly; the next thing I knew they got bought out by a PC firm. DEC had lots of PCs. Desktops, laptops. etc. Even SAMs club had DEC PCs. They started off with

Re: how to change process limits?

2005-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2005, at 8:21 AM, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Mar 10), Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC said: On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Mar 09), Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC said: The following is aon 5.3-RELEASE-p5 If I do a limits command I get # limits R

Re: no flames, please.

2005-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Gary Kline wrote: If I install Windows 1st (I have to, right?), should I save NN gigs of disc space for SuSE when I buy their CD? Is there a better flavor on Linux that I should consider? Depending on how much you like to do and how much you want a

Re: how to change process limits?

2005-03-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Mar 09), Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC said: The following is aon 5.3-RELEASE-p5 If I do a limits command I get # limits Resource limits (current): datasize 524288 kb stacksize 65536 kb # However, login.conf h

how to change process limits?

2005-03-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi The following is aon 5.3-RELEASE-p5 If I do a limits command I get # limits Resource limits (current): cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kb datasize 524288 kb stacksize 65536 kb coredumpsize infinity kb memoryuseinfinity kb mem

how to change process limits?

2005-03-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi The following is aon 5.3-RELEASE-p5 If I do a limits command I get # limits Resource limits (current): cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kb datasize 524288 kb stacksize 65536 kb coredumpsize infinity kb memoryuseinfinity kb mem

Re: how to recover (at least part of) a deleted file?

2005-03-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 9, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Mar 9, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Hi I have a 5.3-REL-p5 system and I accidently deleted an apache log before processing it. I would like to recover as much as possible from it. I have been looking in

Re: how to recover (at least part of) a deleted file?

2005-03-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 9, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Hi I have a 5.3-REL-p5 system and I accidently deleted an apache log before processing it. I would like to recover as much as possible from it. I have been looking in the sysutils ports and Googling but have not come up with a way

how to recover (at least part of) a deleted file?

2005-03-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Hi I have a 5.3-REL-p5 system and I accidently deleted an apache log before processing it. I would like to recover as much as possible from it. I have been looking in the sysutils ports and Googling but have not come up with a way of doing this. What is the best way to attempt to recover a l

Re: Jail security

2005-03-07 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 7, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Frank de Bot wrote: Jorn Argelo wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:04:41 +0100, Frank de Bot wrote Hi, I've set up a jail. But I don't have any idea how safe a jail is. Often is told chroot and jails can be escaped. How safe is it to give other people user access to a jaile

Re: tech question

2005-03-06 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:31 AM, Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 06 March 2005 11:28 pm, popbox wrote: Excuse me for foolish question and "pig latin". I'm a new user of FreeBSD and I have a trouble with mounting DVD. There is no separated information in your documentation (Handbook) about t

Re: security advisories and the creating time of my system

2005-03-02 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Gruss On Mar 2, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Stevan Tiefert wrote: $FreeBSD: src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c,v 1.92 2003/10/26 04:36:47 peter Exp $ Basically, if your sources, or the particular source file in question, are not newer than correction date listed in the security alert then you need to follow th

Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 26, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Jon Drews writes: If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you sticking around except to stir up strife ? It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's nothing else. I am sorry, but I get the same leve

Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-25 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Your missing the point. It's far more cost-effective for a business to not hire a bunch of whiners in the first place. They aren't whiners. It's perfectly logical for them to want to work with software for which they

Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-25 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 25, 2005, at 1:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: And they are still buying Microsoft Office because their users are demanding it. I don't believe this. I believe that a few users demand it, and by default everyone else gets it. Some manager or IT VP or someone decides that is the new corp s

Re: Linux Drivers

2005-02-24 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:50 AM, Soheil Hassas Yeganeh wrote: Dear all, Can freebsd load linux drivers? No ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PRO

Re: Window managers (was: Different OS's? Marketshare)

2005-02-23 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 23, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: Possibly. It could also be something primitive like twm, of course. I meant whatever is used most on commercial UNIX configurations, like Solaris or whatever I'd be likely to encounter on a large site. It appears th

Re: Different OS's? Marketshare

2005-02-23 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Jacob S wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100 Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacob S writes: Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the computer store still gets t

Re: Different OS's? Marketshare

2005-02-23 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Jacob S wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100 Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacob S writes: Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while. I'm pretty sure I've seen M

Re: your mail

2005-02-23 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
(BOn Feb 23, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: (B (B> [*] Kame is Japanese for turtle, or more precisely it's an English (B> transliteration of the Japanese for turtle. (B (BNo, it is one of the Romaji transliterations [may be the only one since (Bit is a simple word, but there are mu

Re: SSH terminal locking up from OS X to FreeBSD

2005-02-22 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 22, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Jim Freeze wrote: * Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-22 18:43:39 -0500]: Jim Freeze wrote: Show us what SSH shows when the connection locks up. In particular, try doing a "~?" after you get the connection lockup and see whether you get a menu of escape sequ

Re: SSH terminal locking up from OS X to FreeBSD

2005-02-22 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 22, 2005, at 2:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Eric F Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-22 15:55:32 -0600]: Does it hang at certain times? Again, across multiple versions of OS X and FreeBSD, I've never experienced a problem. I haven't found a time that it will not hang after a few mi

Re: Why can't I access my floppy disk?

2005-02-22 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 22, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dan Nelson writes: Is it write-protected? Securelevel too high? Check your console or dmesg output; the kernel may be printing more info there. No console messages that I've seen, but securelevel=3.

Re: Good rentable servers?

2005-02-21 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 21, 2005, at 12:44 AM, bsdnooby wrote: Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, email, listserv, and a few other service

Re: Need IMAP Server Selection Advice

2005-02-20 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 20, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Jeff Hinrichs wrote: I'd have to agree with the poster. For a small installation Courier is faster to get up and running the Cyrus. But once you start having to use it with 20-30 users, Cyrus is hands down a better deal. Yes, it does take a more grokking to get Cy

Re: raid1

2005-02-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 19, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Spades wrote: How do we check if FreeBSD recorgnises it as individual drives or Hardware RAID array. Your raid chip appears to be a software ATA raid. man ata The raid appears as arN according to man ata look in the dmesg to see what happened at boot -- this will t

Re: c++

2005-02-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:57:53 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:17:51 +0100, Hubert Sokołowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 17 Fe

Re: c++

2005-02-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:17:51 +0100, Hubert Sokołowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:05:43 +0100 Gert Cuykens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: static void callback( GtkWidget *widget, gpointer data ){ g_print ("Hello again - %s was

"exports" errors

2005-02-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
My /etc/exports file looks like /local -maproot=0 -alldirslocalhost /usr/ports -maproot=0 localhost /local/2 -maproot=0 -alldirslocalhost /local/2/jail1/usr/ports -maproot=0 -alldirs localhost /local/jails/wo_mount -maproot=0 -alldirslocalhost 192.168.252.252 /local/2/jail1/compat -m

Re: raid1

2005-02-18 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 19, 2005, at 12:37 AM, Sandy Rutherford wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:51:53 -0700, "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:39 PM, Spades wrote: hi, my server hardware supports hardware raid, i installed it as per normal freebsd 5.3, however i see no d

Re: raid1

2005-02-18 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: On Saturday 19 February 2005 00:51, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:39 PM, Spades wrote: hi, my server hardware supports hardware raid, i installed it as per normal freebsd 5.3, however i see no difference in df. its using

Re: raid1

2005-02-18 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:39 PM, Spades wrote: hi, my server hardware supports hardware raid, i installed it as per normal freebsd 5.3, however i see no difference in df. its using 2 x 160GB, what do i do during the installation to enable the raid? mobo: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar

Loopback addresses and socket() inside of jail

2005-02-18 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
While tracking down test errors while installing Apache 2.0.53 and mod_perl2.0.0-RC4 into a jail process on a FreeBSD 5.3 server, we have encountered some errors with how the ip is being resolved for the loopback device. Using test code from the Apache project[1], we were able to determine that a c

Re: Verizon's EVDO and FreeBSD

2005-02-18 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 18, 2005, at 12:50 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:34 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: 'Mikhail Teterin'; Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent; List Free Bsd Subject: Re: Ve

Re: Verizon's EVDO and FreeBSD

2005-02-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Robert, Hmm - The Mac source (I assume your talking Mac OS X) would probably be the best to start with. It might be a very easy port to whatever version of FreeBSD was used for the version of Mac OS X you wrote the driver for. Mac OS X is not

Re: problems getting a jail running on 5.3-RELEASE using man 8 jail

2005-02-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
Sorry to top post but this is general info There is a bug in 5.3-RELEASE make files that has been fixed in -STABLE. See the archives for previous discussions on this. Chad On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Viren Patel wrote: I am running a 5.3-RELEASE-p5 machine. $uname -a FreeBSD twinmp.tcbug.org 5.3-

Re: Quota Questions 5.3 Release

2005-02-15 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 15, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Jon Adams wrote: Benjamin Dover wrote: Take a look at this section of the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/quotas.html Yes, I've read this and am aware of the process of recompiling the kernel to implement quotas (done it before). What

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-15 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers. They're off the radar for servers. The only people who install Apple servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops. They're kind of the inverse of people who fal

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: no they did and could point out specific problems and likely intentional changes. Where can I see a list of these? This page points to

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You can say all you want. Thank you. I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you. Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor state of standards conformance of IE for Win

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: An operating system is just a software package. In this context, one can think of the operating system as the aggregate of permanent code executing with kernel privileges. Drivers execute with these privileges but they are essentially add-ons.

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Apple is smart enough to pull it off ... Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They are locking their own OS into a GUI, too. But they probably realize that their future is in desktops, not servers. You know not of what you

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: That is laughable. MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations around for following web standards. Go ask any professional designer. I did better. I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-14 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Vonleigh Simmons writes: If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be fired. Standards compliance is a good thing. MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost any other browser. Firefox does pre

Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or sp

X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked reasonably well. How much did he pay for it? I don't know which one he used. Sorry. Many of the ones I saw cos

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS.

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the l

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:54 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP,

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to b

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Paul Mather writes: I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. -- Anthony Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Chris Zumbrunn wrote: [snip] http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif [snip] Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, but that would mean Beastie would not b

Re: Problem with Exim

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Aaron Dalton wrote: Since upgrading to the latest exim (4.44?) I will occasionally notice I am not receiving mail. I will check the server (ps -ax | grep 'exim') and find that there are dozens of exim processes running (exim -bd -q30m). I will do 'exim.sh stop' but

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
I made the choice of FreeBSD in 1996 for my fledgling hosting business. I considered Linux and FreeBSD. At the time, FreeBSD was considered to have a much better VM system under load, and similar sorts of stability characteristics. I chose FreeBSD then and am glad I did so. I do not know wh

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:59 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The stabilities of NT-based systems and UNIX are roughly the same when kernels are compared. How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available for perusal? Other than, of course, just running both and assuming that because neit

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. D

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Robert Marella writes: As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD is head and

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to s

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:11 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? I was beginning to suspect some such

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: On a related note: Balmer's big mouth hasn't killed Windows yet either. Only because Gates built the company up into a successful multinational with a lot of inertia before Balmer took the helm. But that big mouth is still a liability for the

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Kevin Kinsey writes: IIRC, this was the sort of thing that caused a few people to killfile your address a couple years back. The sort of teenage-boy attitude that causes some people to killfile others is one of the worst handicaps of the FreeBSD

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Johnson David wrote: From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. Anthony had the same misguided opinion in the Apac

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? I was beginning to suspect some such. Maybe worse. jerry Jerry and Eric If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on some of my

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: And the standard answer is RTFM I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers this type of question. Typical. Cut out the rest of what I said. You need to ask the right people, not t

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions But some of us hanging out on such lists have to answer these questions when talking to CIOs. And saying "I don't know" just doesn't wash. And

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You ask a dumb question, get such an answer. Be sure to tell the CIOs that. That'll do wonders for adoption of FreeBSD. CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions Chad You make assump

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about this but encourages it. That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its cop

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not taking their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it in FreeBSD. Big difference. Not if their work consists of writing c

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Look in the codebase No, tell me right here. CIOs aren't going to look in the codebase to try to find out if it's legal for them to use the operating system. You ask a dumb question, get such an answer. You m

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Frank Laszlo writes: I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. What written agreements do these committers have with their employers? Normally, if you are paid to

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Many of the people that work on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it commercially. That would mean that their employers hold a copyright in the FreeBSD code written by their employees

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Frank Laszlo wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is trying to steer FreeBS

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technolo

Re: jail manpage

2005-02-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 10, 2005, at 12:50 AM, r p wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail D=/here/is/the/jail cd /usr/src mkdir -p $D make world DESTDIR=$D

Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?)

2005-02-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon ysystem ... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, running more, but on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time: # vmstat 5 procs memory page

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-09 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote: And in the past, I've only ever worn or used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those sparingly), or a free shirt. Hey, free is free, right? What, no Celtics? I will admit to having bought lots of Apple shirts and a Celtics s

Re: Electricity bill - OT

2005-02-08 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The Bosch AquaStar line is rated at a maximum efficiency of .66 - .78 energy factor, here is the link: http://www.controlledenergy.com/html/aquastar/design_features.html The tanked units on this page range from .62 to .65 energy factor http://www

Re: Best JDK for performance?

2005-02-08 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
I have to hand it to the Java team. I have the latest 1.4.2 native jdk I built on 5.3R/i386 on a Dual Opteron (2 x 2.0ghz) system. I ran some simple java benchmarks. I compared that to a Gentoo Linux (2.4.x kernel) system that is a Dual Athlon Mp 2800+ (2.1ghz) running the Sun 1.4.2 jdk. T

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