Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
at 12:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Lee, Your response is self-contradictory. Hating values IS a value.And besides, I know you are full of the damned things. (values). N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of lrudo

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Roger, Actually that's PRE-conscious. Unconscious is all the grubby, icky stuff; preconscious is the lilty, playful, creative stuff. It was vanGogh's preconscious that did the paintings; it was his unconscious that cut off his ear. You heard it first from me. Nick From:

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:56:44PM -0700, Nicholas Thompson wrote: And you forgot our genocide? For some reason I imagine that the Australian genocide was less vicious. I hope

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
And you forgot our genocide? For some reason I imagine that the Australian genocide was less vicious. I hope the Australians on the list will weigh in on that. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 9:18 PM To: The Friday

Re: [FRIAM] Friday the 23 of Nov

2012-11-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Oh, Well DONE! I have kept forgetting to call. I will be there! Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:24 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: [FRIAM] Friday the 23 of Nov I

Re: [FRIAM] This week

2012-11-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
What else is happening Friday morning? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Edward Angel Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:38 AM To: The Coffee Group Friday Morning Applied Complexity Subject: [FRIAM] This week Is there any sentiment for moving

[FRIAM] CANCELL THIS MESSAGE: This week

2012-11-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
. Sorry, again. Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:36 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] This week What else is happening Friday morning? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
? What about you, do you vote for Romney, Obama or someone else, like Gary Johnson? From a psychological aspect, this election is interesting, isn't it? -J. Am 04.11.2012 03:39, schrieb Nicholas Thompson: Jochen, At this week's FRIAM meeting, we talked briefly about politics

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
My prurient interest in seeing Romney elected is seeing what a man without any center does when he's in charge? My reference to the supreme court was not and enthusiasm for a Bush v Gore kind of out come .. I think there might be blood in the streets, if that happened again, chiefly because I

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
. I was not thrilled with Obama's bending over to Wall Street. But on most other issues, I'm okay with him; he'll get my vote. On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: My prurient interest in seeing Romney elected is seeing what a man without any center does when he's

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Jochen, At this week's FRIAM meeting, we talked briefly about politics and it was clear that there was some disagreement around the table. We were about to let it go, on that ground, when I decided, spurred by my newly embraced pragmatist ideology, to beg that they all put their minds for 5

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Academic library

2012-10-29 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I am a member of such a library thru my emeritus status and even so, about half the stuff I look for is behind some sort of a paywall. Many of the major publishers are busily cutting off their own noses to spite their faces, and they've got their noses pretty much level to their faces by now.

Re: [FRIAM] What's in your contact lens case?

2012-10-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Roger, You never favored us with a comment on these pieces. Are you speaking to us as an evolutionist or as a contact lens wearer. As a drinker of Santa Fe tap water, I thought the following author comment was a bit unnerving. Acanthamoeba spp. are ubiquitous in tap water (2,5),

[FRIAM] Hacking Phones In China

2012-10-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear FRIAM, I thought, at the very minimum, this might amuse some of you, and that, at the maximum, some of you might have something useful to say to my friends in china. Steve? [O]ur colleague Mark,… volunteered to take us out to get Chinese telephones. We don’t have much use here

Re: [FRIAM] attachment

2012-10-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, on way to their ultimate destination of uniting with the supreme Lord, the Brahman. Pick up your weapon and fight that is what is ordained to you. Do not think of the consequences. Note the delicious youness which permeates the Gita Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] attachment

2012-10-02 Thread Nicholas Thompson
But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound anything .. etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as you see Russ as a YOU. Right? N -Original Message- From:

Re: [FRIAM] DEBATE about Religion and Atheism - modeling

2012-09-28 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear Jess and Caleb,. So, we are in hartford with the free wifi, warm and dry, and our plane is on time. In such moment of enhanced mortality, it washes over me that neither of you knows the name of our Lawyer. It Peter Ziomek and he lives in Amherst. He aint much of a lawyer but he has the

Re: [FRIAM] faith - take 2

2012-09-26 Thread Nicholas Thompson
http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach _ On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: If it is true that, Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle can take him from A to B, but he

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-26 Thread Nicholas Thompson
/ doubters. Sarbajit On 9/26/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: If it is true that, Russ believes that his old and broken down motorcycle can take him from A to B, but he doesn't have faith that it will Can it also be true that Russ doubt whether his ... motorcycle can

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-26 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Darwinism only says that the least prolific will be eliminated. It says nothing about degeneracy, unless, of course profligacy is defined as advanced. Spencer was the social Darwinist, not Darwin. In fact, it was SPENCER, who coined the survival of the fittest, I believe. N From:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
motivation. If she had to think and decide,she'd be too slow to save the rider. Needs to be a deeper level trigger. Tory On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Dean, Yes, …. Agreed. However, on my understanding of the term faith (i.e., = belief), Ms Stem has beliefs … DOES

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] faith Yikes. I might just have to break tradition and attend an actual FRIAM meeting. Has there ever been an actual fist fight at a FRIAM meeting? -Doug Sent from Android. On Sep 24, 2012 9:17 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Russ

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, September 24, 2012 11:49 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith You say that as if butter was a bad thing. On Sep 24, 2012 9:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: You're the first other person I have

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
think children aren't allowed to read that any more, but having a childhood during colonial times, I was allowed. Pamela On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Steve, Do you remember in what childhood story, things run round and round a tree until they turn

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
faith that it will On 9/24/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Russ, I take your point, but still, I would have a hard time composing a sentence of the form, Russ has faith in X but he doesn't believe in it. Can you compose such a sentence for me? N From: friam

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, Your model of intellectual life - don't speak until you look it up and shut up afterwards - is different from mine (obviously). I am more of a protestant in such matters: In matters of philosophy, each person has ultimately to figure it out for himself. Whatever SEP might

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
D. Argumentative positioning aside, you could not get out your drive way if you actually believed any of that. In the first place, the world isn't interested in harming you. That's the hardest part. REAllizing that they don't love you AND they don't hate you. THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A S-T.

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, Peirce enthusiastically ridicules the notion of a tentative belief. My guess is that he would also ridicule the notion that we can decide to believe in something. But there is some sort of experience of local belief, I think. In context A I believe X whereas in contest B I

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, Cynics are disappointed idealists. Somewhere, way beyond all that, is Wisdom. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject:

[FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, Do you remember in what childhood story, things run round and round a tree until they turn into butter? Those things weren't monkeys, weasels, OR MULBERRY BUSHES. Nick Hint: No teacher would read this story to a child, nowadays. -Original Message- From:

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dean, Yes, .. Agreed. However, on my understanding of the term faith (i.e., = belief), Ms Stem has beliefs . DOES beliefs, if you will . about the world. It believes, for instance, that nothing can be moved unless something else is fixed. Smart, your lady stem. But faithful, all the

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, For a pragmatist, the meaning of faith is in what it gets you do, not in its content in the ordinary sense. So, under this understanding, Faith would apply to behavior of people within institutions and faith would apply to less public acts. I guess. N -Original Message-

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi Russ, Whatever SEP may have to say, we still have to talk to one another, right? Notice that all these meanings have to do with God. If SEP is correct, a person not concerned with god in one way or another would never use the word. Do you put faith in the advice of your stockbroker?

Re: [FRIAM] Turning into butter, was RE: faith

2012-09-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
You're the first other person I have ever met who confessed to having read Little Black Sambo. Thank you for that, Steve. [sigh] Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:18

Re: [FRIAM] faith

2012-09-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russ, Well, as was observed the last time we went 'round on this topic, you have faith in your powers of induction: faith that the world is the sort of a place where floors don't evaporate after several years of not evaporating. Do you remember the car that drove off the severed bridge in

Re: [FRIAM] Faith

2012-09-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, it would be nice to answer that action on our personal moral principles should cease, when it breaks the law. The trouble is, there are laws and there are laws. The Protestant idea that each of us has a direct and personal obligation to the law, no matter what a duly appointed

Re: [FRIAM] Cognition and Calculus, WAS: faith, zombies, and crazy people

2012-09-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Arlo, Well, I am not really man enough to say anything like that, but if I were, I think I would more likely say that feelings are the derivative of actions. When we speak of intentions we are actually instantiating actions. Velocity at an instant is a kind of non-sense which modern science

Re: [FRIAM] Cognition and Calculus, WAS: faith, zombies, and crazy people

2012-09-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, As for the tongue in cheek, this is my best guess. Doug thought that Arlo's statement was a reduction ad absurdum. In fact, it stated very clearly the kind of thing I had in mind. You will pardon the expression. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com

[FRIAM] Cognition and Calculus, WAS: faith, zombies, and crazy people

2012-09-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I agree, here, that faking X is one organizational level above doing x. What tempts us to error is the notion that mental states are instantaneous, rather smeared over time and space. I sometimes wonder what the relation is between how we think about cogntions …. Thoughts, feelings,

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people

2012-09-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robots do lip service quite handily. We value your call. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sarbajit, Given your range of experiences with the religious, I am curious for your reflections on atheism as a religion. When push comes to shove, are we atheists any the less religious, in the very broadest senses of that term? In what ways? Nick -Original Message- From:

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, newer generations are not interested in philosophical systems any more or artificial religious categories. There are too many other things going on in their lives. On 9/17/12, Nicholas Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, Given your

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
/17/12, Nicholas Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, Given your range of experiences with the religious, I am curious for your reflections on atheism as a religion. When push comes to shove, are we atheists any the less religious

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
in the realm of Devils ... and your name is very apt. Sarbajit On 9/17/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, I think I believe that everybody HAS a philosophical system. The variables are how explicit it is and whether the holder of the system is capable

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
to a supercomputer where he starts getting pseudo-gibberish possibly from God. In sum: Philosophy falls in the realm of Devils ... and your name is very apt. Sarbajit On 9/17/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, I think I believe that everybody HAS

Re: [FRIAM] just faith

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
generations are not interested in philosophical systems any more or artificial religious categories. There are too many other things going on in their lives. On 9/17/12, Nicholas Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, Given your range

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen Wrote: . In so doing, I accused Nick of having asserted that faith underlies all reality. I expected him to evolve during the course of the conversation to explain what actions constitute faith. If we got that far, then we'd have Nick's physical theory of everything! Those actions

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
zombies. Your notion that there is a single type of zombie has long been discredited. Here's a handy chart that I hope can inform your discussion. http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2010/10/05/zombie-chart-full.jpg -R On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
zombieness: the non-zombie is mad or pig-headed or over-familiar with solipsism. Or a combination of all three. -R On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Robert, snipSo, there can be no grounds (that I can think off), for denying a non-zombie's

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist) On 09/14/2012 06:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: For me, consciousness is a point of view, and any telic system has a point of view. Zombies are telic systems, no? That's a great question. I

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Are physicists guilty of Hiroshima? Let's say the Japanese had won the war and Oppenheimer had been hauled before the World Criminal Court in The Hague. Would he have been guilty of Crimes Against Humanity? You are a judge on that Court. Write the opinion. N From:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Oh, ok. I have to stop heckling and take this seriously. DAMN! First, I yield to no one on this list in my atheism. I have been an atheist longer than most of you have been alive. So there! My FATHER was an atheist, my mother was an agnostic. (For anybody on this list who might have been

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Roger, I am always stunned by your ability to mine the web for wonderful stuff. I happen to have the Peirce paper sitting on my table, so let me draw his argument out a bit further. Piece describes 4 ways of fixing belief . This one he calls authority. The two others he disapproves of

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Here we go again, indeed. Blind faith is a redundancy, right? All faith is blind. We do not have faith in what we doubt. As Peirce would say: Doubt is not a guest. We do not entertain it. When it moves in, it sleeps in our bed, eats at our table, goes to work with us, and listens to

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
If your conversations go on past the first of October, I would love to join you. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Hughes Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:42 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
fairly and well conducted, we reach a point where we have to appeal to a proposition we cannot justify. In haste, Nick, Nicholas Thompson wrote at 09/14/2012 11:31 AM: But the problem here is not faith, itself, which always lies somewhere down there amongst the turtles, but the rapidity

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
. But thank you for once again taking such an interest in my own particular world view! --Doug On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Here we go again, indeed. Blind faith is a redundancy, right? All faith is blind. We do not have faith

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Ok, owen. Let's say I put on a bomb vest, put my FRIAM T-shirt on over it, and blew myself up and 30 soldiers at the military base where that poor schmuk Bradley Manning is being held. Let's say, I leave an email circular claiming that I did it in the name of a Free Internet. The reporter

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist Nicholas Thompson wrote at 09/14/2012 12:18 PM: gepr wrote: It always surprises me the extent to which people (yes! people in general) over-simplify complex things. One of my pet peeves

Re: [FRIAM] Is my government too big?

2012-09-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I dunno. It's not a bad speech http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/07/remarks-president-dem ocratic-national-convention . Have you read it? N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:25

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
in Libya | The Economist Ok, I'll bite. Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn't the same apply to the drinking of wine? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist So, wine is the root cause of all our problems? I think not. I can handle my wine as well as I can handle my religion. Better, even, given that my religion handling needs are nil. On Sep 13, 2012 10:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa Well, Nick. A google search on Big Dig Corruption returned the following: About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds) Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp

Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

2012-08-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, I am no friend of Romney, but, whatever else you might say about the big dig, it rescued Boston from the utter destruction imposed by the central artery project, reconnecting historic sites in the city, and reintegrating the city in many ways. I have only been back to the city a few

Re: [FRIAM] Celebrating the Higgs - explaning and predicting

2012-07-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, I have not read the original article, but still your comments caught my attention. As argued in this article http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/12/1/9.html , the disassociation of predictive and explanatory power seems misguided. I suppose a statistical function of many

[FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, everybody. I realize that most of you have day jobs and don't have time to be teachers in my self-designed Elder-Hostel Education program, but if you do have a moment, could you answer the following questions? In these questions, the words cool and warm will have a technical

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So, somebody asked me, in my role as a weather nerd, how come the nitrogen in the atmosphere doesn’t all fall to the bottom on still nights and suffocate us all. I asked the question of stupid-answers-to-stupid-questions-asked-by-stupid-people.com

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
12, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So, somebody asked me, in my role as a weather nerd, how come the nitrogen in the atmosphere doesn’t all fall to the bottom on still nights and suffocate us all. I asked the question of stupid-answers-to-stupid-questions

Re: [FRIAM] Friam tomorrow - bringing a guest

2012-06-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
ProfDave, Ask your guest about Hesse's theory of metaphor in scientific explanation. Also, about Peirce. And then take good notes. I wish I could be there. By the way, Everybody on this list should know not to bet against Dave West on any matter relating to Wisconsin Politics. [sigh]

[FRIAM] wireless hotspot help!

2012-05-30 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I am struggling with my new MIFI box from Verizon and I am wondering if there is a standard download/upload task I can give it to see if I am actually getting faster service than through dial up. It feels AWFULLY slow right now. I am in the mosquito infested bog in massashusetts about 3 miles

Re: [FRIAM] SF Complex closing this Friday. Final event celebration and Thank You to the Santa Fe community

2012-05-30 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, I am sorry I cannot be there. I am in the bog. Santa Fe should be grateful for what you-all have accomplished in this time. I look forward to your next re-incarnation, whatever it might be. Hugs all around, Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] The Climate Fixers May 14 New Yorker

2012-05-30 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I found the article horrifying. Is anybody old enough to remember a sixties research project with a cute name which centered around a long running debate concerning whether setting off an abomb in the upper atmosphere would obliterate the vanallen belts, destroy the ozone layer, or just set

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Bruce, I think you conceded too much in this message. In the previous message you wrote eventually Einstein found a deep 'explanation' for gravity in terms of the effects that matter has on space itself But grant writes: Did he not theorize that gravity is a force that

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks Bruce This obviously will require careful study. I will try to respond when I get to the Other Side and have had a few days to get used to living in The Bog. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sherwood

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
John, I haven't yet digested Bruce's comments above, nor entirely what you have written here, but I want to clarify one point. When somebody speaks of space being warped one has in mind one of those diagrams where the Cartesian coordinates are bent, right? In other words, we are using our

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Didn't Newton feel that it was a bit magical? I need to be instructed, here. N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Kennison Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:11 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
So, what did Newton mean when he said I make no hypotheses. From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, in my psychology, the answer to such a question takes the form of, what is the larger pattern of which my dumb stuff is a part? N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:09 PM To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, in my psychology, the answer to such a question takes the form of, what is the larger pattern of which my dumb stuff is a part? N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore Sent: Friday

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, On Peirce’s account (yes I am still reading Peirce) Truth (or “solved”) is like “settled law”. It could come undone any time, but usually doesn’t. (Actually, I have that wrong. Truth is what wouldn’t come undone, but, of course, we never live to be sure that that’s what we got.

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, Carl, Been thinking about this “tech problem” – “science problem” distinction. Can Eric tell the difference? Can I tell the difference? Can Carl tell the difference? Is engineering the same as science? Is control the same as understanding? Jochem: Is it time for me to go back

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
what psychological theories have been disproven? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson [nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:18 AM To: c...@plektyx.com; 'The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
you still can't remember by name correctly ;-) Jochen Sent from Android Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, Carl, Been thinking about this “tech problem” – “science problem” distinction. Can Eric tell the difference? Can I tell the difference? Can Carl

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russ, This is, of course, the pragmatic[ist] understanding of solved. Everybody has quit looking for a better solution. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:20 PM To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, I think it's a form of play. Possibly a form that is not your cup of tea. Intellectual play and science are alike, in my world, because both explore contradictions in our ways of thinking of things. Oxymorons, like psychological science or thinking machine or conscious animal.

Re: [FRIAM] Unsolved Problems in Psychology

2012-05-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Omigosh! The month-long exile is over! And I only broke it once. I can actually live a whole month without mouthing off in an annoying way on FRIAM. Trouble is, now I can't remember what I think about anything. My basic position is that progress in psychology has been stymied by the allure

Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, Robert, I find the local medical situation terrifying. My daughter had to be admitted to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to god there were blood splatters on the wall behind her bed in her room. I am fighting allergies so bad right now they are preventing

Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
through electronic medical records, you can smile. Wryly. On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Hi, Robert, I find the local medical situation terrifying. My daughter had to be admitted to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to god

Re: [FRIAM] vol 98, iss.25 psychology cont'd

2012-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Offline I just stumbled on this message that was never answered. It was in RED so I figured I better answer it. See below. In fact, many warrior groups kidnap the women AND children from other groups. Or even take the men as slaves. This would seem to be stupid from in inclusive

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
of induction and all the intricacies involving the philosophy of induction as a thought process does not meet requirement number 1, above. --Doug On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi doug, and Bruce I realize that the following

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
of induction and all the intricacies involving the philosophy of induction as a thought process does not meet requirement number 1, above. --Doug On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi doug, and Bruce I realize that the following was hundreds

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
to the wall about, either to say that it is correct, OR that it is a correct understanding of Peirce. Have to bail on this for a few days. Best, Nick From: Russ Abbott [mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 2:06 PM To: Nicholas Thompson Cc: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, everybody, Somebody (whom I respect greatly) has eldered me, writing to say that I am in danger of driving everybody nuts with my new found interest in the logic of scientific inquiry. So I will give it a rest, and lurk for a month. If anybody wants to talk off line about any of the

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
/ _ On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi doug, and Bruce I realize that the following was hundreds of words deep in a verbose email message, and so it is understandable that you did not respond, but I am curious about your

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
:05 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear Doug, Thanks, Doug. No offence taken, but . none of this is a game to me. Thinking about stuff, getting to the bottom of what I and others are thinking, is everything for me. It's way up the hierarchy from sex and food. We have

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
or free will. I just need to focus on my grand design and its purpose. Sarbajit On 4/6/12, Nicholas Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear Bruce, You wrote Uh, does there have to be a reason? I'm interested just because I am -- a portion

Re: [FRIAM] online privacy (again)

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
AM: Turn off Javascript,.disable Java. In Firefox, Tools Options Content On 4/4/12, Nicholas Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So. In short. Has everybody BUT me gone to some toggle in Google and in Firefox and in I.E. and done something

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I go back to the original question I asked Owen. Why are these fantasies INTERESTING?. Now, quickly, I have to admit, they don't capture my imagination that well. But I also have to admit that I firmly believe that NOBODY is interested in anything for nothing. IE, wherever there is an interest

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
of science. There are many variants of philistinism, and of engagement. Bruce On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I go back to the original question I asked Owen. Why are these fantasies INTERESTING?. Now, quickly, I have to admit, they don't

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
the meaning of INTERESTING is too. Robert C On 4/4/12 2:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: I go back to the original question I asked Owen. Why are these fantasies INTERESTING?. Now, quickly, I have to admit, they don't capture my imagination that well. But I also have to admit that I firmly believe

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