Alan, Thanks for the BCC.
Justin, I’m interested in learning more. What are you/they trying to
accomplish with NuttX?
Regards,
David S. Alessio
> On Dec 3, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote:
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX contributor
Alan,
Thanks for sharing the information.
I was busy these days for inhouse events.
I'd like to join, so could you subscribe me?
Thanks,
Masayuki Ishikawa
On 2019/12/03 23:14, "Alan Carvalho de Assis" wrote:
Hi Justin,
I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX
Hello
Alan is a great choice for a mentor in my opinion. He is a great and
helpful person and brilliant engineer with a lot of experience with Nuttx.
He was the person which helped me a lot to get started and if my vote is
making any difference i definitely give it for Alan!
Best regards,
Ivan
Thanks for replying this for me, Bertrand. That's exactly what I want to
say as well - current proposal is final unless it get veto for some reason.
We can always add more committers/PPMC later by PPMC vote (and notify IPMC
before invitation).
Thanks,
Junping
Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月4日周三
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:45 PM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> ...I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE
> as an initial committer as well..
The proposal shouldn't be modified once the vote starts, but note that
it's easy to add committers once the podling is established. Being an
initial
Hi Junping,
On 12/4/19, 俊平堵 wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
> Thanks for watching the list and standing up with your voice. I have
> added Alan as initial committer (PPMC) of the project, but for mentor of
> the project, it need to be Apache Incubator PMC. The reason is the "mentor"
> role of incubator
Hi,
> Thank you very much for your response. Can you please give me little bit
> more information about "mentor" role and how it affects the decisions made
> for the project it self.
Mentors are on the PMC and as such have binding votes on releases, but that is
usually helpful as they are IPMC
Got it , thank you very much!
Best regards,
Ivan Ucherdzhiev
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:05 PM 俊平堵 wrote:
> You can find more details about Mentor role here:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Embedded Systems 于2019年12月4日周三 下午5:55写道：
>
> > Hello
> >
>
You can find more details about Mentor role here:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html.
Thanks,
Junping
Embedded Systems 于2019年12月4日周三 下午5:55写道：
> Hello
>
> Thank you very much for your response. Can you please give me little bit
> more information about "mentor" role and how it
Hello
Thank you very much for your response. Can you please give me little bit
more information about "mentor" role and how it affects the decisions made
for the project it self.
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Ivan Ucherdzhiev
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:48 AM 俊平堵 wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
>
Hi Ivan,
Thanks for watching the list and standing up with your voice. I have
added Alan as initial committer (PPMC) of the project, but for mentor of
the project, it need to be Apache Incubator PMC. The reason is the "mentor"
role of incubator project here is for leading the project to follow
Agree. 4 Mentors could be good enough for now. We can add more if needed
during incubating.
Personally, I dislike to differentiate which IPMCs are experienced or not -
this is not Apache, IMO.
I will call vote in a minute.
Thanks,
Junping
Flavio Junqueira 于2019年12月3日周二 下午11:27写道：
> To
Sure. I just added. Now the proposal is final for vote.
Thanks,
Junping
Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月4日周三 上午8:55写道：
>
> >
> >> Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as
> >> initial committer per Greg's suggestions.
> >
> > I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE
> >
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:55 PM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> Another person has requested to be an initial committer. If possible,
> please add him to the proposal as well: Nathan Hartman
>
>
> Greg
Thank you, Greg.
I've subscribed to this mailing list and I'll await further instructions...
FWIW
Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as
initial committer per Greg's suggestions.
I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE
as an initial committer as well. I
posted the current state of the proposal in the NuttX forum and so
there may be additional
My concerns are already addressed
Alin
-Original Message-
From: Ted Dunning
Sent: den 3 december 2019 05:19
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
My concerns are addressed as well.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi -
>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
My name is Xiang Xiao, I am an software architect from Xiaomi.
One of my important commitment is working with Greg to make NuttX become the
Apache Top Level Project.
Thanks
Xiang
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:23 PM David Sidrane
Hi, Junping
Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as
initial committer per Greg's suggestions.
I have a request to add Abdelatif GUETTOUCHE
as an initial committer as well. I
posted the current state of the proposal in the NuttX forum and so there
may be
Hi Justin and Incubator
I could help the project as a mentor, if this could ease your concern.
This whole IoT OS is unfamiliar to me, I will keep as best as I could to
follow up the project :)
Justin Mclean 于2019年12月3日 周二下午10:00写道：
> Hi,
>
> I still think another more experienced mentor is
To Justin's point, there are four listed mentors. Even if the listed mentors
either haven't been active or do not have tons of extra time, I'd think that
among four we should be able to figure it out. If anyone else steps up, then
great, but otherwise, we should not block the vote on it.
Hi Alan,
Yes. The mentor of incubator project here is to guide the project to
follow Apache way but not the knowledge on specific project.
Thanks for offering the help here though and I just added you as
initial committer per Greg's suggestions.
Thanks,
Junping
Gregory Nutt
Sorry Justin,
Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor.
But you are certainly welcome to be added as an initial committer.
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For
Sorry Justin,
Greg explained me that only member of the IPMC can be a mentor.
BR,
Alan
On 12/3/19, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX contributor since I
> discovered the project in 2010 and actively contributing
> drivers/porting
Hi Justin,
I want to offer me as mentor as well. I'm a NuttX contributor since I
discovered the project in 2010 and actively contributing
drivers/porting since 2013. Also I change a YouTube channel called
NuttX Channel to help beginner to get started.
I think there are developers with more
Hi,
I still think another more experienced mentor is needed. I’m thankful for the
two others who have stepped forward to help out, and I’m sure they will do a
good job, but it is a big commitment and neither are currently mentors on other
projects (apologies in advance if I’ve got that wrong)
Looks like we have enough number of mentors and all concerns have been
addressed. I will call a vote soon.
Thanks,
Junping
俊平堵 于2019年11月26日周二 下午6:12写道：
> Greetings folks:
>
>
> Here is proposal for NuttX (an IOT OS project) which I look forward to
> hearing feedback. The proposal is also on
Hi Flavio,
Thanks for volunteering! I am adding you as the mentor of the project.
Thanks,
Junping
Flavio Junqueira 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:28写道：
> Hi Junping,
>
> I'd like to volunteer.
>
> -Flavio
>
> > On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 wrote:
> >
> > Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
> > Any
Hi Junping,
I'd like to volunteer.
-Flavio
> On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 wrote:
>
> Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
> Any other volunteers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Ted Dunning 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道：
>
>> Jumping,
>>
>> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board
Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
Any other volunteers?
Thanks,
Junping
Ted Dunning 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道：
> Jumping,
>
> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵
Jumping,
It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 wrote:
> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM Greg Stein wrote:
>
> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> on-board. Let them get their stuff done...
Yes!
Many thanks to Greg Nutt for your comments, to me this project looks
ready to enter incubation, with some adjustments
I see. Thanks Dave for update.
Thanks,
Junping
Dave Fisher 于2019年12月3日周二 下午2:05写道：
> Hi Junping,
>
> I’m currently mentoring five podlings which is probably two more than I
> should since I’ve joined the board.
>
> Also, I’m interested in the OSSBot project...
>
> Good luck with NuttX!
>
>
Hi Junping,
I’m currently mentoring five podlings which is probably two more than I should
since I’ve joined the board.
Also, I’m interested in the OSSBot project...
Good luck with NuttX!
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:57 PM, 俊平堵 wrote:
>
> Sounds like most of
Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
volunteer here.
Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it
follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
Hi,
As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a
vote.
Thanks,
Justin
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, wrote:
> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM
I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui wrote:
> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go
> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify
Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go "live
amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that the founder's
authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
Just a thought,
-Alex
On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" wrote:
Very
Hi,
Thanks for your considered response Greg.
Just one thing you may want to reconsider is voting 0 on all votes. 3 +1 votes
are needed to make a release and 3 +1 votes and no -1 on other (rare) matters,
with a small PPMC it may be hard to get those 3 +1 votes.
It would also be good to see
Very well said.
I am optimistic.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
> > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and
> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate
> during incubation that the founder will in fact step
This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and I'm
satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate during
incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the project to
move forward without the founder's undue influence.
Note that
My concerns are addressed as well.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi -
>
> My concerns have been addressed. I think we can proceed with the VOTE. I
> intend to be +1(binding)
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Dec 2, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Craig Russell wrote:
> >
> > IPMC hat on...
Hi -
My concerns have been addressed. I think we can proceed with the VOTE. I intend
to be +1(binding)
Regards,
Dave
> On Dec 2, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Craig Russell wrote:
>
> IPMC hat on...
>
>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote:
>>
>> Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一
IPMC hat on...
> On Dec 2, 2019, at 2:05 AM, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote:
>
> Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 下午4:24写道：
>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang)
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been
>>> developing and maintaining the project
id
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Duo Zhang [mailto:zhang...@apache.org]
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 3:45 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
>
> The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committe
-
From: Duo Zhang [mailto:zhang...@apache.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 3:45 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers.
And I think we can let the initial committers reply here
Bertrand Delacretaz 于2019年12月2日周一 下午4:24写道：
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang)
> wrote:
> >
> > ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been
> > developing and maintaining the project for 15 years...
>
> I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote:
>
> ...IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been
> developing and maintaining the project for 15 years...
I'm fine with having such a name for historical reasons and I agree
that it's nice to recognize the hard work of the
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 6:16 PM Ted Dunning wrote:
> ...As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected vacation right
> now without messing up the move to Apache, I would have no worries...
IMHO having a low bus factor is a concern for *exiting* incubation.
I don't see it as a
The initial five works for me. I see no reason to add more at this time. It
would only be a block for graduation, not inception.
To rephrase: some may have an issue with five, but I bet you'll get enough
+1 votes as-is.
Cheers,
-g
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 6:39 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote:
> I think
Hi,
I would add everyone who has made significant contributions to the project
as initial committers (if they want to be added). Look at the mailing list
and the PRs and see who have made this contributions.
IMO the commiters added during incubation should be new people to the
project not
I think it just because that it will spend more time...
So what is the suggested initial committer number for NuttX? We can try to
get even more but is this necessary? The plan is to expand the committers
quickly during the incubation time, follow the Apache way, and also the
IPMCs can observe
I am in as much as my time permits
Alin
-Original Message-
From: Duo Zhang
Sent: den 2 december 2019 00:45
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers.
And I think we can let
Hi,
Given I assume there are other contributors why not make them initial
commitors?
Thanks,
Justin
On Mon, 2 Dec 2019, 10:45 Duo Zhang, wrote:
> The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers.
>
> And I think we can let the initial committers reply here to confirm
The proposal on the wiki page has already listed five initial committers.
And I think we can let the initial committers reply here to confirm that
they will be active, at least in the early time in the incubator, before we
elect new PPMC members.
Does this solve your concerns? Thanks Dave.
Dave
Hi Greg :-)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 7:05 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
> >> I imagine that it will take a month or two to get the GitHub
> repositories ready for prime time.
> > The physical transfer shouldn’t take that long, fixing up all the
> headers and licenses may take longer but that’s OK
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>...
> It would help if the initial committer list was greater than the bare
> minimum of three. Three PPMC members is not enough. There needs to be at
> least five committers to start.
>
Read the thread in its entirety, please. It has already
I share Ted’s concerns.
It would help if the initial committer list was greater than the bare minimum
of three. Three PPMC members is not enough. There needs to be at least five
committers to start.
(Should there be an explicit minimum in the proposal template?)
It’s often the case that some
I doubt that the name is the crucial issue. I would see that have a
substantial group of initial committers who are active in setting up there
project would be the crucial step. That doesn't have to happen before
incubation.
As a thought experiment, if Greg could go on a disconnected vacation
I think donating the project to ASF already means Greg will give up
controlling the project by his own, otherwise he could just keep the
project in the current state.
And IMO, the name 'NuttX' is a kudos to Gregory Nutt, who has been
developing and maintaining the project for 15 years. No matter
Hi,
> Having a project that seems to have the name of a prominent community
> member seems to pose a risk that there is a benevolent dictator pattern at
> work here.
Greg is aware of the “no dictators rule" and has already answered this in this
thread. He willing to hand over responsibilities
Random uninformed question here.
Having a project that seems to have the name of a prominent community
member seems to pose a risk that there is a benevolent dictator pattern at
work here.
Can somebody comment on this?
The problem would be that this mode of operation is heavily deprecated at
... The problem maybe the stuff on BitBucket other than
code, for example, the issues and PRs? I do not think it is easy to
transfer these things... Are they important to the project Greg?
I think they are not so important. There are only 18 (nuttx) plus 3
(apps) on Bitbucket. It would
I imagine that it will take a month or two to get the GitHub repositories ready
for prime time.
The physical transfer shouldn’t take that long, fixing up all the headers and
licenses may take longer but that’s OK when using the work in progress
disclaimer, you can makes incubating ASF
Hi,
> Github issues etc can be transferred not sure about bitbucket, I’ll ask.
It’s not been done before at the ASF, and infra would need to look into tooling
to do that, it may take some effort.
Thanks,
Justin
-
To
Hi,
> And I think there is no technical problem for transferring the code base,
> the infra team will help?
Yes Infra will do this, I believe bitbucket is git under the hood so they can
transfer it and you will retain all the history of commits.
> Just mirror the code from bitbucket to
I think we can transfer the repos to ASF first. As it is possible to use
the disclaimer when making a release in ASF, the transfer should not effect
the old release schedule. And we can make a new branch to do the clean up
work(which may mess the repo up when it is not fully done), and then merge
Hi,
> It is our intention to use the Apache GitHub.
Just be aware that you can use git as well and modify the ASF mirror and the
changes will go to GitHub and vice versa. People don’t have to use GitHub if
they don’t want to.
> I do have some question about the transition. NuttX is a very
Hello,
It is our intention to use the Apache GitHub. I have been using
Bitbucket for a few years and have resisted moving to GitHub. I like
Bitbucket only because I know how to use it (My favorite tools are
always the ones I know how to use). But GitHub is the plan of record if
NuttX is
Hi,
Over on the google groups I saw some comments about the use of GitHub. While
most ASF projects have moved that way it not a requirement to use. You could
use svn [1] or git at Apache and be hosted on the ASF servers. You can even be
hosted at the ASF and on GitHub [1]. Committers are not
I have added two mentors (based on volunteer at email threads) and more
initial committers (based on Gregory Nutt's update) into the proposal.
Please comment if any other concerns.
Thanks,
Junping
张铎(Duo Zhang) 于2019年11月27日周三 下午4:13写道：
> OK, good.
>
> So the remaining issues for joining the
Thanks Mohammad for volunteering as mentor here. I have added you and
Justin into the proposal.
Thanks,
Junping
Mohammad Asif Siddiqui 于2019年11月28日周四 下午7:13写道：
> Hi Guyz,
>
> Incase if you are looking for Mentors for this project then I would be
> happy to help the NuttX community in any
Hi Guyz,
Incase if you are looking for Mentors for this project then I would be happy to
help the NuttX community in any dimensions I can. Even if your mentor list is
full then still I can help the community with the release activities. Do let me
know if you need any help.
Regards
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 2:56 AM Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...It might be OK with just a software grant from you if are the
> copyright owner. Any other IPMC member have an opinion?...
I think when Groovy joined Apache a few of its community members
signed the software grant "on behalf of the Groovy
OK, good.
So the remaining issues for joining the incubator are:
1. Get more initial committers.
2. Besides you, get two more mentors.
Will start working on resolve them.
Thanks.
Justin Mclean 于2019年11月27日周三 下午2:23写道：
> Hi,
>
> > Hi, Justin, do these works need to be done before joining the
Hi,
> Hi, Justin, do these works need to be done before joining the incubator, or
> we could do this during the incubating time, before we make the first
> official release under the governance of ASF?
Neither. They need to be made before you graduate, so you have plenty of time
to work on them
Hi, Justin, do these works need to be done before joining the incubator, or
we could do this during the incubating time, before we make the first
official release under the governance of ASF?
Thanks.
Justin Mclean 于2019年11月27日周三 下午12:21写道：
> Hi,
>
> > The releases were less formal but still
Hi,
> The releases were less formal but still very strict. The (old) releases were
> tags in the the repositories. I kept the ReleaseNotes and tarballs on on
> both SourceForge (which NuttX originally started) and on Bitbucket at:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nuttx/files/nuttx/ and
>
Hi, Justin, Duo
And on the initial committers, the plan is to invite more people during the
incubating time.
I’d strongly suggest you add more people to that initial list, there’s a chance
the proposal may not be accepted by the IPMC because of that, but I’d like to
hear what other IPMC
Hi,
> And on the opinion of the community for joining ASF, we have a slack
> channel about how to set up the foundation(it is private...), not sure if
> it is OK to post the message there out, but anyway, since this mailing list
> is public, we can post this thread into the channel, and if there
Hi, Justin,
Where do you currently place releases? Your release process is likely to need
to change as at the ASF releases are made by the (P)PMC voting on them, and in
the case of incubating projects the IPMC voting on them before they can be
released.
Yes, I have been following
Thanks Justin and Greg. Let me explain more about the committer and
community related questions.
In the past there is only one commiter, who is Gregory Nutt, as you said,
the 'dictator' :) And this is just what we want to change by joining the
ASF. And why we choose ASF rather than other
Hi Greg,
Nice to meet you and thanks for your answers.
> Some of the files are so old that it may not be possible to even contact all
> of the authors. I am the committer on all files and also listed as the
> author in the CM systems up to a few years ago (other people are given credit
>
Hi, Justin,
It is good to meet you. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
- Apache has a no dictator rule (friendly or otherwise), given there’s a
person who may be in that role currently in the project, are they fine
with giving up control to the rest of the community?
Yes, I am fine
Hi,
Thanks for the interesting proposal.
There's a couple of things I'm curious if the project has considered (list
below). Keep in mind while I know of NuttX I’m not part of it’s community or
know it well.
- Apache has a no dictator rule (friendly or otherwise), given there’s a person
who
Seems the link to the openhub statistics have been cleaned in the email...
https://www.openhub.net/p/nuttx
In a Nutshell, NuttX...
...
has had 39,978 commits made by 344 contributors
representing 2,003,984 lines of code
...
is mostly written in C
with a very well-commented source code
...
has a
Greetings folks:
Here is proposal for NuttX (an IOT OS project) which I look forward to
hearing feedback. The proposal is also on the wiki[1].
Please note that this project is looking for mentors, so for IPMCs, please
volunteer if you are interested to offer help here. Thx!
NuttX
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