On 8/26/12 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe
On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
On 8/26/12 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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Cc:
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On 27.08.2012 23:11, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
Rob Weir:
You probably don't see this on the server yet, but end-user operating
systems, both desktop and devices, both at OS level as well as in
browsers and with antivirus software, are shifting over to excluding
non-signed executable by default.
On 26.08.2012 00:21, Greg Stein wrote:
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's
opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely.
If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
* The project is looking for ways to produce blessed binaries as a
part of future releases, and has been working with the
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
Agreed.
* The project is looking for ways to
PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On 8/24/2012 11:19 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Really, all this fuss over the LABELLING of
a file being distributed does not add value
to either the org, the podling, or the users
of the software. Nowhere is it written
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify
a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves.
Please don't bother asking legal-discuss to tackle this.
Here's an analogy: for a long, long time Bill Rowe has
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify
a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves.
Please don't bother asking legal-discuss
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO
since we are seeking alternative distribution channels.
What does that mean? Can I grok alternative distribution channels
as more mirrors or something else?
Jim,
Two points:
1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill legally exposed?
2: You can't distribute a binary application to the Mac App store, or
other places, without a signature.
Some complex requirements for using an Apache signature have been
posed; I don't know why Donald
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
But can't you drag this whole matter back to the AOO list, being a
mentor and all?
Trying to do that with ccing ooo-dev@
-
To unsubscribe,
On 27.08.2012 13:10, Greg Stein wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
Agreed.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO
since we are seeking alternative distribution channels.
What does that mean? Can I
-...@incubator.apache.org ooo-...@incubator.apache.org
Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify
a volunteer who produces a binary
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify
a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves.
Please don't bother asking legal-discuss
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current
Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue.
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Yes, that's what end users care about.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue.
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM,
After this, please drop general@
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
A signature does 2 things:
1. Ensures that no bits have been changed
2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) entity.
Almost. It doesn't guarantee trust.
Sure it does. If
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From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Jim,
Two points:
1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill
Jim Jagielski wrote on Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:38:15 -0400:
After this, please drop general@
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
A signature does 2 things:
1. Ensures that no bits have been changed
2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted)
On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
...
But recall in all this that even when the PMC releases code, it is
signed by the individual RM, and not by the PMC itself.
Apache Subversion releases tend to have a half-dozen signatures. Thus, I'd
say they are signed by the
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On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
wrote:
...
But recall in all
) are PMC-approved.
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 27
Rob Weir:
You probably don't see this on the server yet, but end-user operating
systems, both desktop and devices, both at OS level as well as in
browsers and with antivirus software, are shifting over to excluding
non-signed executable by default. This is equally true of software
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
snip
I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure. A policy
might look
On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
convenience and defines version numbering requirements, but it does
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
in our build farms.
HTH
From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Branko Čibej br
for AOO candidates).
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote
On 26.08.2012 16:46, Joe Schaefer wrote:
The point most people seem to make out of sanctioned
or official builds revolves around indemnifying volunteers
involved in the production of the release.
I'm tired of rehashing release.html for the umpteenth time
simply because Brane or you or some
missing is a clue.
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On 26.08.2012 16:46, Joe Schaefer wrote:
The point most people
On 26.08.2012 17:04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented
as you'd like to think. release.html is the byproduct
of several years of writing oriented towards the lowest
common denominator of the org, but if you think you know
how to improve it you have
, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On 26.08.2012 17:04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented
as you'd like to think. release.html is the byproduct
of several years of writing oriented towards the lowest
Sigh. Apache is a volunteer organization with a history and a culture.
As a volunteer organization, it cannot possibly create and maintain a
set of documents that describe every bit of cultural norm and
historical context.
New committers on existing projects learn from their communities.
Podling
Joe, I know very well (and you know that I know) that I can edit most of
the things that appear on our web site. But if community-oriented means
that anyone should just edit those docs to scratch an itch and to hell
with consensus and the consequences, then you're right, I'm definitely a
On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes
other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole
reason I won't vote for AOO candidates).
Well this is worth discussion.
On this page [1]:
The
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
AOO doesn't need
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes
other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole
reason I won't vote for AOO
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
I do not dispute the existence of other reliable creators of binary
distributions. The *nix packagings and installation in consumer desktops are
notable for the value that they provide.
I think
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
resolution, or
I submit that this sub-thread has reached the end of its useful lifetime.
The IPMC's view of binaries is clear, and the IPMC believes that its
views reflect the will of the board. 'Official' binaries, like
binaries signed with a certificate with the Foundation's name on it,
are not currently
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 06:45 -0700, Benson Margulies wrote:
I submit that this sub-thread has reached the end of its useful lifetime.
Howdy,
After a re-read of this thread, along with similar on the AOO dev/priv
list and referenced ASF policy, or best practices, docs., I fully agree.
Honestly,
Benson Margulies:
In the mean time, AOO releases can continue to have 'convenience
binaries', sans signatures.
If they can have 'convenience binaries' they should also be able to
provide 'convenience signatures.
Cheers,
Andreas
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's
opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely.
If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn
about the ASF.
-g
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
snip
I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure. A policy
might look like this:
Resolved: An Apache project's release consists of a
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
wrote:
...As one of the active developers I would have a serious problem if we as
project
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue,
On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand
On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
wrote:
...As one of the active
.
From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir robw
on
and approved by the ASF.
Thus...
Binaries created /from /the Official Release?
From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Exactly- just work within the constraints
and there is no practical problem whatsoever.
From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation
This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members.
Most colorfully by Roy T. Fielding, who was 'present at the birth.'
Many are sympathetic to the AOO situation, and this is why the
suggestion from the VP legal
Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members
: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members.
Most colorfully by Roy T. Fielding, who was 'present at the birth.'
Many are sympathetic to the AOO situation
From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Joe: that is what is being discussed. Blessed binaries
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and
recorded via the ordinary
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and
recorded via the ordinary
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
releases, which have been, by definition, source
Agreed - for the Flex
On 8/21/12 12:03 AM, drew wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:32 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
...As one of the active developers I would have a serious problem if we as
project couldn't provide binary releases for our users. And I thought
the ASF is a serious enough institution that can ensure to deliver
I would like to offer a very loud +1 to Bertrand's email.
Here we are on a community graduation vote thread. This sub-discussion
would seem to lead to one of three outcomes:
1) No place new. AOO proceeds out of the incubator operating under the
current regime, and those AOO community members who
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then
we continue by drafting a
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
willingness/readiness
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:32 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
willingness/readiness to govern
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
prefer no binary release at all.
I wonder who might step into the breach to provide
Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does
not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries.
As Marvin has said: source releases are the primary release mechanism.
Binaries are and should be a distant second.
I would also state that continuing to argue
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
prefer no
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does
not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries.
True, But we have not based our entire release strategy on binaries.
If you recall we spent
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
prefer no binary release at
(including any from IBM) will provide their own verifiable
authenticity.
- Dennis
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From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 18:00
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Mon, 2012-08
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
official binary releases - in
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a
failure to understand and integrate with the Foundation's thoughts on
the matter. Or to at
for official releases or
officially endourced binaries - what else would they be? They were built and
put up by the same guys releasing the source code.
I apologize if I misunderstand or mischaracterized anything ~P Date: Mon,
20 Aug 2012 22:33:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a
failure to understand and
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument -
Marvin said: If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard
requirement,
then it seems to me that the ASF is not yet ready
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I would also state
Simple enough - thanks.
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
From: gst...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm playing
] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:11:23 -0700
Simple enough - thanks.
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
From: gst...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument -
Marvin said: If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a
Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
releases, which have been, by definition, source.
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
releases, which have been, by definition, source.
Maybe you can help clarify
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
prefer no binary release at
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Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM
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Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the
optional, but recommended
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