Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP - GML 3.2 support

2010-09-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > During the last few works I have been working on initial GML 3.2 support in > GeoServer. I am at a point where I would like to commit to the trunk. Here > is the proposal. >   http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+50+-+GML

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 49, WMS module cleanup and refactoring

2010-09-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
Looks like a great idea. Looking at the review they look like issues worth addressing - particularly CITE testing and docs :-) So, you can have a preliminary +1 once those issues are addressed. One other question - and I may be behind the times here and its already there - is there a hook in the

Re: [Geoserver-devel] upgrading to wicket 1.4

2010-10-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Generally, stricter is better in terms of maintenance - there is a good reason they found it worthwhile to improve strictness in some place. +0 on that basis and not wasting the work. Rob On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > Recently i have come across a few e

Re: [Geoserver-devel] App-schema store: any way to directly refer to a local store?

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 it would alos allow previewing the connection with the standard UI! Rob On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering, is there any way to make the app-schema store refer to > an already configured GeoServer store instead of adding all in the info > inline in th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] RFC: Parametric SQL View Enhancement Proposal (and patch)

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi Eli, this is great work, nicely described. Please attach the patch to a JIRA task, and create those other JIRA tasks. Previously I've done the same sort of thing using SLDs - each SLD can have a filter and I stored a parameterised SLD - and parameterised WFS templates for the same purpose, in

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 52 - Catalog / Config DAO Refactor - Call for Vote

2010-10-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
+0 (i havent had time to think about the approach, but support the concept), On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: > I tried to indicate my +1 last week. I am excited by the technical direction. > Jody > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Justin Deoliveira > wrote: >> Hi all,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] adding dbconfig community module

2010-10-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Justin Deoliveira > wrote: >> Hi all, >> Thanks to everyone for voting on the catalog/config refactor gsip. Now that >> this is out of the way i would like to add the new dbconfig stuff as a >> community m

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Simplifying and speeding up the release process

2010-11-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
This is a good idea IMHO - particularly if the process of tagging and assigning release identifiers can be automated - automation requires clarity of the process, which is a good thing too :-) Andrea's experience about whats actually most reliable is really important to learn from. Two suggestion

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Simplifying and speeding up the release process

2010-11-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
> This still assumes you can plan ahead a release by two weeks. > I'm not normally in such conditions, I can have the occasional slow day, > or the boring weekend, but I cannot foresee when that will happen. > What I'd like to see is the possibility to cut a release with minimal > warning instead.

Re: [Geoserver-devel] srsName, urn:x-ogc vs urn:ogc (more headaches and long term decisions)

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Welcome to _my_ nightmare :-)! There is a lot, a LOT, of debate at the moment about optimal form of identifiers - see the UK Location Strategy for example. EPSG as an entity no longer exists - making things fun... I think we can only cope by addressing the reality - the concept we are identifying

Re: [Geoserver-devel] PSC: GSIP 55, upgrading WPS module to extension, ready for vote

2010-11-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
+0 (reflecting just ignorance of the state of it, not any reservations) Rob On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mark Leslie wrote: > +1 ! > > On 13 November 2010 08:56, Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi, >> here is the latest GSIP for your voting pleasure: >> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+55+-+Pro

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] WMS GetFeatureInfo GML output

2010-11-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
App-schema allows clients to use style sheets to deal with responses. (Because its a known schema, a stylesheet can be published and used to render it. I have build clients with catalogues of stylesheets for each feature type - and no way would it be worth bother with ad-hoc flat schemas). We buil

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] WMS GetFeatureInfo GML output

2010-11-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Rob Atkinson > wrote: >> App-schema allows clients to use style sheets to deal with responses. >> (Because its a known schema, a stylesheet can be published and used to >> render it. I have build clients with catalogues of stylesheets for >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] App-Schema performance

2010-11-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
"The optional numberOfFeatures attribute is used to indicate the number of features that are in the response document." Why not just ignore it by default (maybe a configuration flag to force it). Does anyone know of any clients that rely on it (even though its optional?) Rob On Tue, Nov 23, 201

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Nominate Gabriel Roldán for Pr oject Steering Committee

2010-11-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 - welcome back! On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > I am pleased to nominate Gabriel Roldán for the GeoServer Project > Steering Committee. > > Gabriel is a former PSC member whose reputation precedes him; Gabriel is > a prolific committer [1], maintainer of ArcSDE plu

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New community module: simple feature service

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 it seems that we've captured one concern when dealing with another - rest and configuration management are independent concepts, and we've either applied policy to REST, where we want to apply it to config, or we've named a config interface after the protocol. Worth fixing at some stage - but i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] discussion about wms 1.3 support

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 on this strategy its perfectly natural to have "levels of conformance" - and at some point someone will probably want to define limited functionality profiles of these specs - so it should be possible to prioritise improvements against such requirements if and when they emerge, otherwise be dri

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Returning proper HTTP error codes: epic failure?

2010-12-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
moral support, at the very least :-) I'll forward it on to the OGC as well - and see if I can get a response. There is an emerging discussion on HTTP protocol and browser-friendliness... Rob On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > tried implement the OWS 2.0 policy of retur

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Returning proper HTTP error codes: epic failure?

2010-12-12 Thread Rob Atkinson
whether OWS can be considered RESTful :-) (and the answer is of course no!) good luck with the workarounds - its really working around I.E's behaviour, which is frustrating on many levels. Rob On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > moral support, at the very least :-) > >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 57 - Improving GeoServer authorization framework

2010-12-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
looks like a good idea. my first thought was how does this relate to GeoXACML - and I see you have been thinking about this - is it possible to map out what GeoXACML would require and how this proposal supports this? If I was an expert in GeoXACML I'd do this myself - but I'd then be in the dark a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] timing for RC1

2011-01-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 for option 1 I think your concerns are well justified, and only if someone had some major funding milestone needing a RC today should we consider it. Rob On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Hi all, > As was discussed last week the plan is to start the RC1 release tomo

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Geoserver WFS and PostGis 3D

2011-01-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
there will be interest from the Spatial Information Services Stack project, (contributing the app-schema support) in this as some of the funding comes from the earth resources sector, and they have a lot of 3D data. Regards Rob Atkinson On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Sjoerd Brandsma wrote: >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Promoting the querylayer module to extension?

2011-03-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1. No doubt it will raise the ante for describing the content of layers better - both structurally (schema) and the domain and range of each element. some interesting movement in OGC to make the capabilities more modular, which is another necessary precursor to describing data well. Rob On Mon

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Moving teradata community module to extension

2011-05-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me. Although I'm somewhat on the outside these days I get a sense of a more orderly and better communicated evolution with fewer nasty suprises and fantastic levels of mutual support across teams and geographic boundaries. Respect! Rob On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Justin Deoliveira

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 62, animator: call for vote

2011-07-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 sounds pretty cool. It would be nice to allow a range and step size instead of just discrete value list maybe avalmin avalmax avalstep or avalstep=start,end,stepsize I also think you need an example of how CQL_filter would have an avalue - i suspect it would need to be a parameter within a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 62: WMS animator

2011-07-28 Thread Rob Atkinson
Given the obvious focus and lead of the Met/ocean and climate communities on interoperability, core capablities in time series portrayals would be very welcome I expect. Rob A On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Gabriel Roldan wrote: >> WRT t

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Limited commit rights nominations

2008-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 to both from me On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Chris Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have two developers that I want to nominate for limited commit rights > to GeoServer. > > The first is Ben Caradoc-Davies, who works with CSIRO, for commit rights > to the community-schemas module in

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New GeoServer UI frameworks requirements: feedback appreciated

2008-03-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Excellent analysis Andrea. I'd agree with all these points. Couple of points to explore; a) reusability of common components - things like file browsers etc are often provided by the framework, but can we create additional re-usable plugins easily - such as CRS choosers? b) in the case of plug-i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New GeoServer UI frameworks requirements: feedback appreciated

2008-03-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
> > Can you make me an example of "getting the info from the optimal place > in the optimal way"? Afaik with the current configuration API we have > just one place to grab each information we need to build up a UI, > and this sounds like a very good thing (TM) imho. > OK, for example, we speci

[Geoserver-devel] Namespaces: was Re: GeoServer Resources

2008-03-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
Is probably worth understanding these things rather than trying to back out meaning from the current rather confused situation. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namespace_%28computer_science%29 Namespaces therefore form a key part of the contract between the user and the service - i.e. they are

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New GeoServer UI frameworks requirements: feedback appreciated

2008-03-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
I agree. We can much more easily analyse the machine interface to make sure it is self-consistent and that information is not redundantly managed, than we can a UI. Getting the API working well should inform the UI factoring. In general, one wants info artefacts for the UI to come from registries

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Transformer Exception in Complex Feature response

2008-04-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
FeatureAPI, but for now you'll have to live with WFS 1.1 The Geoserver config should have sample queries using WFS 1.1 ... Rob Atkinson On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Andrea Aime <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Leslie ha scritto: > > > I'm getting a TransformerExc

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Profiling Community Schema code in goeserver

2008-05-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
Good stuff. Gabriel may have further insights, but here's my perspective on what might be worth considering: 1) No serious profiling work has been done on this build, and it wouldnt suprise me if significant gains can be made 2) Fixes should target the trunk, so we'll need to re-run the profiling

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Profiling Community Schema code in goeserver

2008-05-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
WMS is not currently supported in this build., We decided to wait until the trunk was ready and port to it rather than clone and hack the WMS module. (AWDIP services are about data transfer, not visualisation), they need to be judged against the requirements for this, so in fact blinding speed is

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Profiling Community Schema code in goeserver

2008-05-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
the tools each development cycle. Rob A On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Stefan Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Atkinson wrote: > > 3) The database seems to be hit twice per query, which may be a >> significant overhead if the db side is slow >> > > Tha

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Profiling Community Schema code in goeserver

2008-05-20 Thread Rob Atkinson
The plan I plan to plan (with the paymaster's consent) is: 1. Achieve basic WFS 1.1, GML 3.1 capabilities required, implementing test cases. 2. Deploy to time-sensitive testbed activity 3. Port to trunk, and debug against test cases and WMS capability 4. Hopefully update deployments to include

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GEOAPI temporal schema un/marshalling

2008-05-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
While we are at it, I should note that date, timestamp, timestamp with TZ handling inside the existing implementation is pretty weak. I have been able to create overriding extensions that behave well enough to support filters and encoding, but a systematic set of test cases in the encoding cases, a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] accessing database tables

2008-06-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
ns, possibly geometryless will work for you. The vast majority of geo-referenced business data is in multiple tables with point locations, or references to named features. Geometryless was designed to enable the former. Getting SQL-datastore extensions into the core would enable them all. Regards

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Status of complex feature types in GeoServer WFS

2008-07-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
7 and trunk. At that point we hope to re-enable WMS support, for instance. It would be helpful to know you requirements - what schema you are aiming at, and how complex the features you need are, so we can factor those requirements into our planning. Regards Rob Atkinson CSIRO On Wed, Jul 9,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP feedback

2008-07-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thanks for the review Jody, my feedback is that I try to filter out actual voting requirements and act, and look at proposals within my area of competence and interest, but its very hard to follow the actual process. Can we use JIRA perhaps to register the GSIP, so that PSC members are automatica

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Keeping the PSC alive and kicking, and changing IRC meeting time

2008-07-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
II'll let you guys sort it out. Two meetings might work, or possibly more targetted meetings around specific GSIPs? Apropos of the GSIPs, I think we need to pull out the active voting requirements from the bag of "being discussed" stuff, so that there is a greater transparency. Rob On Wed, Jul 1

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 20 is alive

2008-07-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me too. On 7/17/08, Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seems all good on this end; > +1 > There was some enthusiasm for cleaning up the code. > Jody > > Jody Garnett wrote: > > David can you update the GSIP page as these votes come in? We are > > supposed to link to the several a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] Registered function support for JDBC databases

2008-07-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
re permitted (SECURITY!) > > (See GEOT-1930.) > > > > More and better support when this is merged onto trunk and into core. > > > > Credits go to Rob Atkinson for the concept, name, and advocating this > > approach to users for about a year. :-) > > >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] Registered function support for JDBC databases

2008-07-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
hmm - IMHO not having to get a WFS change request is starting small. Just accepting that we can get the functionality working and work out how to advertise it later (i.e. there isnt really much point advertising it if its feature specific) seems to me a much lower bar. Getting the big picture righ

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [PSC] Which gt2 version for GeoServer trunk?

2008-07-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
Having lived through the debate not that long ago, I dont yet see a compelling reason to change our conclusions: GeoServer trunk should always follow GeoTools trunk, and any fixes to branches should be ported forward to trunk. If we need a stable baseline badly enough, then a new bracnh (gt 2.6) a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New UI: The Persistence of Save (or The Saving of Persist)

2008-08-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
Perhaps the paradigm we are looking for is more like version control, where incremental changes are made to a body, and when happy with a complete set we tag the set. It would be neat to be able to store and access components of configurations in a version control system or other registry infrstru

Re: [Geoserver-devel] New UI: The Persistence of Save (or The Saving of Persist)

2008-08-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me too. (and if we can abstract it to allow future use of version control in the background we could one day exploit it to provide a revert function) RA On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Justin Deoliveira wrote: >> +1. The new configuration backen

Re: [Geoserver-devel] 2.0.x on gt-trunk?

2008-08-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
our plan to the table at that point for discussion. If this fits in with other decision making it might be easier for all of us, Regards Rob Atkinson On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Chris Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, you all should decide, and I guess OpenGeo is still decidi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Proposing Simone for PSC. Discuss/vote?

2008-08-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me too. And I have no doubt he could be me at a football match. Rob On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Justin Deoliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 only if Simone can beat me in a foosball rematch. :) > > Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi, >> as you know we have a vacant position in the PSC si

Re: [Geoserver-devel] starting GeoServer live

2008-08-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
What about allowing the logging to be separated from the config? Logging is a different issue than configuration for a production system, and its very unusual not to have a separate location. It would be nice to have a load location and a write location for the config - this is the template idea y

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 25 - New documentation framework

2008-09-02 Thread Rob Atkinson
tried to comment on the page but it threw an error... here's my comment Agree that current situation is sub-optimal. Ideally, IMHO, documentation ought to be able to be generated easily within each module and previewed by the module maintainer. If this step doesnt require a build, but a build ac

Re: [Geoserver-devel] branding gsip, starting the vote

2008-10-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 On 10/5/08, Simone Giannecchini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +1 here. > > > > Jody > > Justin Deoliveira wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> So I think all the feedback has been gathered and handled for the > >> brand

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Problems integrating app-schema DataAccess with GeoServer on trunk

2008-11-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
> So what I'd like to see is a set of incremental (small) patches > that do unlock the usage of DataAccess and complex features > one bit at a time, going up from the catalog unto the > output producers. > It would be nice if each patch could be reviewed and then > committed. > I also expect to see

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Distributing the new JDBC datastores with GeoServer

2008-11-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
not sure if this is a formal vote, but +1 from me too. Ideally the documentation could be updated, and the UI for configuring the old datastores should provide a convenient alternative link to UI for the new one. How hard would it be to apply the old store config to the new one? Rob A On Mon,

[Geoserver-devel] GML 3.2 bindings

2008-11-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi Justin, I did an experiment and hacked xsd-gml3 to use a gml3.2 test case, and it looks like the bindings for gml 3.1.1 are basically re-usable for gml3.2 support. I know we'll need a new binding (gml:identifier, basically a gml:name) it seems that its the tests which are most heavily bound to

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [Geotools-devel] GML 3.2 bindings

2008-11-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
a different package. W e can > then create a new GMLConfiguration class for the new bindings. I think will > suffice with a minimum amount of "clutter". > > So the question is how do we proceed with implementing the new bindings. You > said alot of the 3.1 bindings can be reused, w

[Geoserver-devel] MVN snapshots and breaking the whole "delta" concept

2008-11-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
Every day we seem to build all modules from scratch - regardless of whether they have changed - which seems to mean you have to either do a full mvn install orust as bad, a full download every day you make a change. In particular, you cant just build a module you care about and then be alerted it

Re: [Geoserver-devel] sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-11-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
When you say "its not an option" because of "those who pay the bills", you sound like you are either declaring post-facto or proposing a move to a "Cathedral" model of OS. GeoTools/GeoServer has previously prided itself as being a "Bazaar". If this is not the intention, then a better mechanism nee

Re: [Geoserver-devel] sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-11-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
project policy for a single release. But lesson learned, the > community has spoken. Won't make the mistake again. > > -Justin > > Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> When you say "its not an option" because of "those who pay the bills", >> you sound like

Re: [Geoserver-devel] sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-11-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
>>> Cool. Let's try to come up with perhaps a specific roadmap / pitch to >>> put on the GeoServer site, so we can point people at a plan, that they can >>> help accelerate with funding. I'll try to put some time in to this next >>> week, perhaps we can try to pass it around on a wiki site. I th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-11-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
ant efficiently handle with mappings Rob On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Andrea Aime <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Atkinson ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> Cool. Let's try to come up with perhaps a specific roadmap / pitch to >>>>> put on

Re: [Geoserver-devel] sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-11-28 Thread Rob Atkinson
robustness of the core solution. Rob On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Andrea Aime <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Atkinson ha scritto: > > Hem Rob, can you please keep the ml cc'ed? > >> Thanks for the clarifications about your intentions. We'll liaise if >>

Re: [Geoserver-devel] state of release [was] Re: sorry for missing IRC, here are my thoughts

2008-12-03 Thread Rob Atkinson
I like the work Justin has done on the Roadmap process, I think our core interest will lie with the transition to the 2.0 series, when Ben gets back we'll confer and try to provide details. Timing is still fairly challenging to predict. So, you have a default +0 from me to pragmatic inclusions of

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map (was: Scheduling 1.7.2 new features)

2008-12-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
-2378 I'd be interested in seeing what else is targeted for 2.0 in the emerging roadmap, and what it's big announcement is. Meeting basic SDI requirements seems a pretty good reason, and we cant begin to claim this until we land these issues. Rob Atkinson On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:49

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Creating the initial road map

2008-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
he highest > priority. Our tech is kicking major ass, we need to make it more obvious to > people how to use it. The RestConfig stuff in particular will need a lot of > documentation and examples and sample scripts. But we've known for awhile > that most of the docs could use some

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoExt and the GS roadmap

2008-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Way cool. I think that having some separation of concerns will help us enourmously. We could haemorrahge infinite effort into viewing demos and SLD stylers and simply end up being harder to integrate with other technologies that have similar solutions. One day I hope a SLD wizard would be driven

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Interesting presentation

2008-12-12 Thread Rob Atkinson
I met these guys in Reading UK a couiple of weeks ago... note its the complex feature support (for OGC Observations and Measurments) which is the issue for WFS - they have noted its on the road map (and I didnt even talk to them beforehand!). FYI My group will be collaborating with the meteorolog

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Some feedback from my recent GeoServer course

2008-12-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
I dont know how many times I've said this, in many contexts - content management as well as spatial - but if we rely on getting people who care about the content working with technology then there is a problem. Glossy UIs are not a bad thing by any means, but only make them believe for a short tim

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Some feedback from my recent GeoServer course

2008-12-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
or through it? Merry Christmas Rob On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Ben Caradoc-Davies ha scritto: >> >> Andrea Aime wrote: >>> >>> Rob Atkinson ha scritto: >>>> >>>> Glossy UIs are not a bad thing by any means, but only

Re: [Geoserver-devel] starting the vote on GSIP 30 - road map process

2009-01-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Well done Justin +1 in principle, with the following comments 1) I think the tone of the introduction could be a little more positive, its really about supporting each other 2) A useful perspective might be about managing paid project risks 3) I think there is an over-emphasis on all proposals

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Hmmm... I don't think the inside-out approach was the cause of the > problem. This is just my opinion but the lack of funding and failure to > engage the core developer community is what led to these forks not going > anywhere. Sounds like its worth being aware that in the last round of effort t

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 restart

2009-01-20 Thread Rob Atkinson
And in the meantime it sounds like Ben will have completed a local spike and be ready with the patch :-) If the GSIP process takes so long, maybe we should have a single one "fix everything" - seriously the effort that goes into breaking down the big picture into small, regression testable changes

Re: [Geoserver-devel] review of patches for GSIP-31

2009-01-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thanks for this work Justin, a couple of notes, making WMS work with a DataAccess is on the radar, keeping it working with DataStore is the obvious short term requirement. so, do the inbuilt unit tests or the CITE tests contain a sufficient regression test for WMS? I got the impression it was a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer commit access for Rini Angreani

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
Again, we have a little bit of a corner case perhaps, with commit access to someone who works as part of a team, but isnt the primary point of contact with the community. I know its a lot easier to interact within a team through a software development process that uses a commit/review cycle than r

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Bringing CSV and Excel output formats to supported status

2009-02-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 Q. Has anyone looked at CSV/Excel import via transactions ? (this actually came up in a conversation today!) Rob On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Justin Deoliveira ha scritto: > >>> - feature id is never included in the output. Shall we include it? >>>Or add an optio

Re: [Geoserver-devel] 'Roadmap ideas'

2009-02-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
Great work Chris! This is a fantastic resource. Its also been useful for me just to understand some of the threads floating around. thanks a lot Rob On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Chris Holmes wrote: > Hey all, so I used to maintain a page that was called 'roadmap', with > short, medium a

Re: [Geoserver-devel] user collaboration thoughts

2009-02-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
l. FYI I'm currently leading research projects looking at ways to make richer structured metadata about data content visible. The "value" metadata discussed here will be vital for finding data in a large (well-populated) SDI environment. I'd

Re: [Geoserver-devel] user collaboration thoughts

2009-02-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
t lack of good metadata should not prevent anyone > from putting real data out there. > Would totally agree with this. "Good" is very subjective, so get the data out while you work out what is good in different contexts! Rob > Chris > >> >> >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] road map update, Feb 17, 09

2009-02-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
> * 1.7.x into bug fixing mode > > As feature development winds down on 1.7.x what do people think about > putting 1.7.x into bug-fix only mode? The motivation is to focus on 2.x > and the features that have been brewing there for probably too long. We > will of course still put out regular release

Re: [Geoserver-devel] complex features (DataStore <-> DataAccess)

2009-03-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
do it in Geoserver - Ben has been doing som work on setting up test cases for Geoserver, but I dont think we have a easy to use test configuration you can tweak yet - but this will be a priority th Rob Atkinson On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:04 AM, odi wrote: > Hi, > I've heard that complex

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
d of clients. It should be possible to "make this up" during FeatureType configuration, or use one extracted from the definition of the FeatureType (the application schema case). Its not clear to me if this is an issue - probably an implementation issue, not a directory structure i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Ah you miss understand me; we are discovery the services in code form; > as such we do not need a folder to straighten all the individual > service files out. > > I expected to see a service/ folder but it is not strictly needed. > I wasnt c

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 34, call for vote

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
s one :). > Manually defining namespaces during configuration is a corner case in the long run. These will always be defined in application schemas, or can be generated automatically without user configuration if they have no external meaning. So, just want to avoid putting too much effort int

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Layer names, resource aliases

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
Oh dear doesnt an oversimplification always cause headaches.. A couple of observations that have not yet been made... 1) A Layer is not the same as a FeatureType, semantically. Hence assuming they are the same will always cause a problem. For example, a RoadNetowrk may consist of roads, bridges,

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Layer names, resource aliases

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
> > Last time I checked application-schema datastore was read only? Yes it is, but we should discuss this as part of the next steps strategy work. > And GeoServer must do WFS-T. What I really want is something that > allows me to rename attributes and map types on simple features > without: > 1)

Re: [Geoserver-devel] any "sql datastore" already?

2009-03-31 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hi I've been waiting for the basic app-schema capabilities to come on line so I can test them, after that my priority will be working out what to do with geomtryless - which relies on sql-datastore. I'm wondering whether I will be able to completely deprecate the geomtryless module by either: a)

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Some thoughts on secure transport for GeoServer (HTTPS/SSL)

2009-04-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Supporting this would be a very good thing, and well worth the investment. One slight addition to the analysis: a lot of services are exposed via firewalls and proxies - and these set-ups are often imposed across large swathes of government by (practically) immutable and poorly designed service co

Re: [Geoserver-devel] fun with cite tests

2009-04-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
Will it help if we aim for CITE compliance with 2.0, using the app-schemas stuff.? For people who will care about CITE, they are probably going to care about app-schema support as well (cf. INSPIRE). IMHO we could afford to let CITE conformance slide for pre 2.0 versions - in much the same way as

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Wrapping up GeoServer 2.0 beta1 tomorrow

2009-05-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
problems do arise, that seem to be hard to resolve, you can always back it out in a second cut. The unit tests for app-schema could be disabled if the build time is an issue, since this beta is not about testing the app-schema functionality yet. Regards Rob Atkinson On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Re: [Geoserver-devel] [PSC] Wrapping up GeoServer 2.0 beta1 tomorrow

2009-05-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
for beta1, but they obviously would be for beta2 so thanks for laying it out. Sorry about the late response to the roadmap - I only got something running yesterday to give me confidence it would be worth aiming at this round of betas. R On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: >

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Timeout and memory limit patches applied to 1.7.x and trunk, plus some questions

2009-05-28 Thread Rob Atkinson
well done Andrea. Your ideas about which formats they apply to seems to reflect a variety of different reasons for doing this work - illustrating perhaps how important it is. These reasons include: 1) making sure the server is robust - doesnt fail with OOM or something and deliver the wrong thin

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Community schema status ?

2009-06-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
er vs Geology). We are getting good support from the OpenGeo folks, and are actively working towards trying to have a app-schema available as a core capability in standard Geoserver releases from 2.0 on. regards Rob Atkinson On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Just van den Broecke wrote: > Hi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalog, namespaces, workspaces, layer names...

2009-06-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
Thinking out aloud... what if we have the same feature type being delivered by multiple stores - for example a common gazetteer view of the different feature types. Or sometimes we have several sub-types, and we want to provide a single view using a supertype. This situation does occur in practi

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalog, namespaces, workspaces, layer names...

2009-06-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
well, for a start its great to see the issue being debated before finalisation of code :-) I'm not over the intricacies of the beast to be honest, just providing a "sanity check". One thing I'd point out - namespaces do not exist to disambiguate the feature type on the server - they exist to disa

Re: [Geoserver-devel] UI suggestion

2009-06-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Been chatting with Jody, Justin, Gabriel and a bunch of users - we had an idea which might be relevant here... Role-based wizards - this would address the concerns here in two ways: 1) you show the options most relevant to the role of the user - service deployer vs system admin vs developer vs co

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GeoServer and OSGEO

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 from me On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi all, > one of the points raised quite often at the Bolsena code > sprint was that GeoServer is not part of OSGEO, and the > thing is seen as odd and/or harmful for both entities. > > That is, people ask why GeoServer is not part o

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Cleaning up Wicket web UI URLs

2009-06-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
+1 but I'd also caution that we need to understand the workflow and objects before committing. Justin and I had quite a long and productive conversation in Perth about possible workflows - and how these could be optimised for different roles (the service manager as opposed to the data specialist

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Catalogue trinity

2009-06-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
the term I have been using is 'service profile' - i.e. how a set of users expect a service to behave Context matches the OGC generalisation of a WMS context. It sort of relates more to an invocation than a configuration though IMHO so, if you take the context to be the user-centric viewpoint of c

Re: [Geoserver-devel] road map update process

2009-07-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
agreed. it would be good to tag discussions eg [Roadmap] so that it is easier to pay attention, likewise GSIP stuff is usually well tagged, but you still need to pay attention quite carefully. Rob On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: > Justin Deoliveira ha scritto: >> Hi all, >> >>

Re: [Geoserver-devel] Trunk cleanups

2009-07-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Sounds like a good idea do we have a list of the "legacy" modules - are you talking specifically about the old UI, or a broader cleanup? Rob On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > +1, less dependencies yay!! > > Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi all, >> I was wondering if it's a good

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