http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5807.html
Quote:
"(1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking
and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible
complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical
contrived dualism that doome
Who would have imagined it would have happened in Jersey...
Brian Weeden wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5807.html
Quote:
"(1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking
and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible
complexity
on TV.
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Quote:
"(1) ID violates the centuries-old
@ last, some intelligence in a sea of ignorant despair. @:D>
Brian Weeden wrote:
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Quote:
"(1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking
and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible
complexi
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Pat Robertson,
I'm not an ape but I play one on TV.
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2005
Excellent.
Good religion knows that science is just a camera.
Good science lets religion tell them what not to do with the shiny uranium sphere.
On 12/20/05, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5807.htmlQuote:"(1) ID violates the centuries-old gro
Um, that was in PA
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/evolution_debate;_ylt=AljvGW5ztswbPct.PdjhbU6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-
At 12/20/2005 01:55 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
Excellent.
Good religion knows that science is just a camera.
Good science lets religion tell
r,
go argue with God ! :-)
Steve
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Their children will simply grow up ignorant then won't they ! If Dar
Steve wrote:
:: I'll get flamed for this . . . I usually do :-) Don't shoot the
:: messenger, go argue with God ! :-)
Yeah, that's the ticket!
shoot the
messenger, go argue with God ! :-)
Steve
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LOL!
Pat Robertson wrote:
Actually it is a scientific theory. People who use Cletus McRedstate
pablum such as "it's only a theory" perhaps should go prove how weak and
unfounded scientific theories are by testing the theory of gravity and
go leap off a tall building.
OK, which religion & what time to withhold the sphere? "Devil is in the
details."
Smart humans no when to keep their faith to themselves and not push it
on others for fear of the sphere being dropped on them.
My quote for the day "No religion until your 18 or older."
G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
At 08:22 PM 20/12/2005, Steve wrote:
Their children will simply grow up ignorant then won't they ! If Darwin
could prove just 1% of the natural world then it might be worth listening
to . . . but why are Dogs no more intelligent than they were years ago,
why are there still Monkeys, why have t
>From da judge:
"Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of
an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an
activist Court. Rather, this case
came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school
board,
I was going to make the same reply.
warpmedia wrote:
LOL!
Pat Robertson wrote:
Actually it is a scientific theory. People who use Cletus McRedstate
pablum such as "it's only a theory" perhaps should go prove how weak
and unfounded scientific theories are by testing the theory of gravity
and
Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well?
Analyst wrote:
From da judge:
"Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case
ca
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All these questions simply show that you
At 09:40 AM 21/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and
death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body
remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out
and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do
On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote:
> Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well?
All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected
members have no intention to appeal the judge's ruling.
Vince
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All these questions simply show that you haven't thou
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Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sic
AM
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Pat Robertson wrote:
It's also important to understand that the scientific method is like
the US constitution. It's a living, breathing set of foundations that
allows us to challenge and refine theories or laws to get a better
understanding of our universe. Religious dogma is absolute, it ca
Pat Robertson wrote:
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Instead of blaming the Creator in intell
At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote:
The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret
like the formula for Coke.
If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most
religions (believing in the unseen) would
not be necessary. All the people would go to C
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ntelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote:
>The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret
>like the formula for Coke.
>If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most
>religions (believing in the
God Shamgod
2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards.
It's his birth given name though.
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God Shamgod
2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards.
It's his birth given name though.
>From: "007" <[EMAIL PROT
Naw, it was "DOG".
007 wrote:
I thought that someone had recently changed their name to "GOD" in a
courthouse.
t: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Naw, it was "DOG".
007 wrote:
> I thought that someone had recently changed their name to "GOD" in a
> courthouse.
>
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other word
except "Oh my God" in the money shot.
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Naw, it was "DOG".
007 wrote:
> I thought that someone had recently changed their name to "GOD" in a
> courthouse.
>
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote:
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution
thumpers have it right.
It's the Goa'ould.
Christopher Fisk
--
BOFH Excuse #428:
Firmware update in the coffee machine
No, worse, it's the Ori trying to get us to follow Origin.
Blessed are the Ori!
Christopher Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote:
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution
thumpers have it right.
It's the Goa'ould.
Christopher Fisk
Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body to
last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it from
functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him
benevolent. In fact, it makes him a really nasty bastard. I'd pass on
worshipping
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution
thumpers have it right.
The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret
like the formula for Coke.
If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most
religions (believing in the un
a Happy denial of reality
New Year! @:D>
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Hallelujah, praise God for that! @:)>
Analyst wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote:
Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well?
All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected
members have no intention to appeal the judge's ru
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Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and
death, why
"
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Allow me to interject a little intelligence into this line of thought.
I've read the Bible and thought about what it states rather than just
accept a preacher man's interpretation. Since God is all-powerful,
all-seeing, all-knowing and designed us he is fully aware of who/what we
are and what a
And the Human Race has had scientific reason for how long now? Imagine
what they will figure out in the next 2000 years.
The apostle Paul (the former Saul of Tarsus) said that "the end is near"
referring to the second coming of Jesus and I haven't been "raptured"
yet. He didn't lie to us did h
At 11:25 PM 21/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body
to last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it
from functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him
benevolent. In fact, it makes him a
At 02:56 AM 22/12/2005, Stan Zaske wrote:
God placed the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" (apples you know) in
the garden and then made sure that Adam and Eve knew about it. He knew
that Satan would go to the garden and tempt Eve. He knew that Satan could
charm the chrome off a steel bumper
Read the story of Adam and Eve in the garden.
It's called having free will, and making the wrong choice.
LOL! So let me get this straight. You are willing worship a being who
sets up two humans with a test he knows they'll fail (he is omniscient,
after all) then when they fail, punishes them
At 01:39 PM 22/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
It's difficult for humans to understand an entity like God and all that
entails.
Let me just say that God having foreknowledge of the outcome of an event
does not preclude it being a fair test, nor does it mean that humans
aren't responsible for
From: "Gary VanderMolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It's difficult for humans to understand an entity like Go
It's difficult for humans to understand an entity like God and all that
entails.
Let me just say that God having foreknowledge of the outcome of an event
does not preclude it being a fair test, nor does it mean that humans
aren't responsible for their choices in life.
No offense, but that's no
At 03:24 PM 22/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Of course we are supposed to use the (limited) logic we have. Even
ants have logic, but can you explain the theory of relativity to an ant?
Humans may be a little smarter than ants, but our capability to
understand things like higher dimensions is v
It's pretty easy to understand as the idea spawned from the mind of feeble
dolts over 5,000 years ago who turn to fairy tales about cloud men rather
Respectful discussion of beliefs is one thing, but labeling your opponents
as "dolts" is another. Ad hominems are often the last resort of those
w
Of course we are supposed to use the (limited) logic we have. Even
ants have logic, but can you explain the theory of relativity to an ant?
Humans may be a little smarter than ants, but our capability to
understand things like higher dimensions is very limited.
But I've never said to an ant "Act
From: "Gary VanderMolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It's pretty easy to understand as the idea spawned
They were dolts by modern standards. Maybe you don't like the word or
the implied insult, but it's factual. This is not a discussion of
beliefs but one of belief without fact vs. skepticism due to lack of fact.
Faith is just that, either you have it or you don't. No amount of words
makes it fa
At 03:49 PM 22/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Of course we are supposed to use the (limited) logic we have. Even
ants have logic, but can you explain the theory of relativity to an ant?
Humans may be a little smarter than ants, but our capability to
understand things like higher dimensions is v
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
But I've never said to an ant "Act this way, and I'll get you into heaven."
Plus we were given reason, the ability to discern between good and evil.
And your point is...?
God is evil?
(can't say I disagree, if he does exist, that means the bast
At 03:49 PM 22/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Of course we are supposed to use the (limited) logic we have. Even
ants have logic, but can you explain the theory of relativity to an ant?
Humans may be a little smarter than ants, but our capability to
understand things like higher dimensions is v
Look back to the time when religion was pretty much dominant, prior to the
Enlightenment. At the time, the church thought they knew *everything* - the
church claimed knowledge of everything from the initial construction of the
universe right down to microscopic questions of human morality (mastu
> -Original Message-
> From: Gary VanderMolen
> If (as you indicate) people are turning less
> religious over
> time, why do you suppose that Roe V. Wade may actually be overturned
> soon, for the first time in 33 years?
>
> Gary VanderMolen
Roe v. Wade is not a strictly religious is
Personally if religion makes you burn people at the stake, start wars,
keep people ignorant, lock your women up & abuse them etc, it's fails
the sniff test.
You paint with too broad a brush. Those are not things happening today,
or in this country. I can cite plenty of non-religious people comm
But I've never said to an ant "Act this way, and I'll get you into heaven."
Plus we were given reason, the ability to discern between good and evil.
And your point is...?
God is evil?
(can't say I disagree, if he does exist, that means the bastard put
disease and religion on the world)
A
Your question, and the choices you provide presuppose that
there is a God and that your two alternatives are the only ones
possible.
Neither your premise, nor your choices are necessarily true.
At 07:06 PM 12/22/2005 -0800, you wrote:
But
I've never said to an ant "Act this way, and I'll get yo
Your question, and the choices you provide presuppose that there is a God
Check the context. I was replying to someone who suggested
"God is evil."
and that your two alternatives are the only ones possible.
Neither your premise, nor your choices are necessarily true.
My argument was not mean
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If (as you indicate) people are turning less religious ove
Macintosh is Satan!? *Now* it all makes sense! @:)>
warpmedia wrote:
They were dolts by modern standards. Maybe you don't like the word or
the implied insult, but it's factual. This is not a discussion of
beliefs but one of belief without fact vs. skepticism due to lack of fact.
Faith is jus
It is presumptive of us to sit in judgment of Evolution when we don't
have all the facts. Remember that science is always evolving our
understanding of the way things *really* work.
You know, whether Jesus was deity or man is really irrelevant! He still
changed the world for the better and he
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It is presumptive of us to sit in judgment of Evolution when we don't
have all the facts. Remember that science is always evolving our
understanding of the way things *real
If (as you indicate) people are turning less religious over
time, why do you suppose that Roe V. Wade may actually be overturned
soon, for the first time in 33 years?
Gary VanderMolen
Because abortion has absolutely nothing to do with fairy tales? Since when
do you need to worship cloud men i
Sad to think that one day you will awake to realise that much of what you write
off as 'fairy tales' is true.
Even unbelievers should take notice of "Pascal's Wager".
Briefly it states that there are four possible outcomes in life:
1. You believe in God and he really exists. Outcome: You'll wi
Molen
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> Sad to think that one day you will awake to realise that much of what you
> write off as 'fairy tales' is true.
Even unbelievers
Stuff.
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It is presumptive of us to sit in judgment of Evoluti
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You really are a rude a
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> Neil Atwood - Sydney, Australia
>
> http://westserve.org - Blog, Christianity, Coffee and Tech Stuff.
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>To: "
At 12:13 AM 12/23/2005, Pat Robertson typed:
Because abortion has absolutely nothing to do with fairy tales?
Since when do you need to worship cloud men in order to determine if
you personally find aborting fetuses to be immoral? I really have
disgust for those who assume that only by instillin
At 02:08 AM 23/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
I applaud you for your pro-life stance.
But let's do a reality check. Of those who are anti-abortion, what percent
do you suppose are religious? I think it's very high, probably 80% or better.
What does that prove? That religious people are anti-
At 02:23 AM 23/12/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
1. You believe in God and he really exists. Outcome: You'll win big.
Unless he's a nasty bastard who decides to inflict painful cancer on you
and then you die while not in a state of grace and go to hell. You lose
big time and you believed for
At 02:56 AM 23/12/2005, Stan Zaske wrote:
I'd like to think that if God is real he made the Universe into a giant
petri dish just to see what would result and I seriously doubt he gives a
Rat's ass about you and me personally. On the level of species he might
find the Human Race mildly interest
At 03:13 AM 23/12/2005, Neil Atwood wrote:
We are dealing with matters of truth here. Either something is true or it
is not. There is discoverable truth about Jesus, because he was a real
historical figure, and therefore we can employ the same approach to
examining him and his claims as we do a
What do you mean "worshipped the wrong God"?
There is only one
Mark Dodge
MD Computers
360-772-2433
And you're forgetting:
5. You believe in god, and live your life by his rules, but when you die,
it turns you worshipped the wrong god, and the one you meet kicks you into
hell because
At 09:16 AM 23/12/2005, Mark Dodge wrote:
What do you mean "worshipped the wrong God"?
There is only one
Not according to a heck of a lot of religions. The idea that there is only
one god is a new and untested theory.
And even if there is only one, if the Jews are right, then the C
["merry"|"happy"] ["christmas"|"hannukah"|"kwanzaa"|"winter solstice"|"new
years"|"humbugging"]
Here's to the best god we ever made.
http://masterhit.dyndns.org/paradise.mp3
Al
Here is one for the Evolution crowd:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10574901/from/RS.1/
007
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1. You believe in God and he really exi
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Satan's angels out of commission. Then he looks deep into the heart of
each
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> True would mean fac
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Even the most learned psychologists & psychiatrists who btw are usually
atheists
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At 03:13 AM 23/12/2005, Neil Atwood wrote:
We
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What do you mean "worshipped the wrong God&q
At 11:24 AM 23/12/2005, Pat Robertson wrote:
The evidence is very sparse. The gospels actually hint that he may be a
mythical figure. But really - who *WAS* documented extensively in those
days other than Roman leaders? Josephus mentions his life but also
mentions he had a brother (forget the n
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While it's true that very few people were carefully docum
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Sad to think that one day you will awake to realise
If you ask ten people who don't go to church if they consider themselves
religious and/or believe in god, I'll bet most would say yes. But if that
is actually true, why are they so anti-religious in their daily
actions? I'm guessing most people either feel they MUST say they are
religious, or
6. You believe in god just to cover your ass (they way most people
do.) He exists, you die, and he says "Sorry, CYA actions aren't
covered. You go to hell."
I agree with that scenario. Outward appearance doesn't count.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
I brought up Pascal's Wager not
Gary VanderMolen wrote:
If you ask ten people who don't go to church if they consider
themselves religious and/or believe in god, I'll bet most would say
yes. But if that is actually true, why are they so anti-religious in
their daily actions? I'm guessing most people either feel they MUST
s
I'd like to think that if God is real he made the Universe into a giant
petri dish just to see what would result and I seriously doubt he gives a
Rat's ass about you and me personally. On the level of species he might
find the Human Race mildly interesting. @:D>
Looking at the universe, it's p
Ok, I find this direction interesting. Is there any proof of the existance
of Jesus other than the Bible?
There was at least one contemporary historian, Flavius Josephus, who
mentioned Jesus. There were thousands of eye witnesses whose lives
were changed and who went out and told those happenin
I don't know why scientists think it helps to prove evolution because
there is only a 4 percent difference between human and
chimpanzee DNA. It's called economy of design. Why reinvent
the wheel each time?
There's only a one atom difference between harmless carbon
dioxide and deadly carbon monox
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