Okay let me get this straight.
It's "okay" to use fake clients as long as you aren't using them as
hard as the other guy.
It's "okay" to not use proper tags on your server as long as you
aren't lying too much.
It's "okay" to bend the rules just because, like, Valve isn't fair and
they should mak
Lotus and Skial both run clean servers. I can personally vouch for Lotus as
I not long ago played there all the time. Some other communities though, on
the other hand..
Let's just hope Fletcher and Co do something about the reports I and others
have made sooner rather than later.
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:41:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
> tags OK?
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>
>
> Disable bots.
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
>> From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:41:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
> tags OK?
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> Disable bots.
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>> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
>> From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftwar
There are reports of it. I think I googled it some time ago and it's been a
bug for a few years now. It happens if you set the bots to join the server
without humans. Let me see if I can find it.
http://forum.i3d.net/hlds-valve-windows-newsletter/153873-hlds-bug-bots-attack-defense-respawn-times.h
8:41:38 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
Disable bots.
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
> From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Resp
Disable bots.
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
> From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
> tags OK?
>
> If you can point me to where this is cited and a fix I
31, 2012 8:24:54 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
You probably have bots. As I said, bots mess with the spawn times.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Todd Pettit < pettit.t...@gmail.com > wrote:
Ok, I might be way off base here th
times are default. Am I missing something?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Essay Tew Phaun"
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:15:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [hld
ed Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:15:17 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some good
thoughts. Let'
Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some
good thoughts. Let's not ruin it completely.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
Skial is fully complaint with the policy of truth. I have to ask
whether you are familiar with the fact that a default respawn
The mailing list isn't the place for petty fights between your
"communities", please take it elsewhere.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Essay Tew Phaun wrote:
> Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for me
> to figure out.
>
> :)
>
> _
t are the chances of the blu
> respawn time being 8 seconds 40x in a row? Call out these hacks.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: bottige...@gmail.com
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Tues
Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for
me to figure out.
:)
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seconds 40x in a row? Call out these hacks.
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From: bottige...@gmail.com
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
plugin doesn't make you
compliant.
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From: bottige...@gmail.com
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:28:56 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Skial is
Maybe they should get whoever is writing those novel length blog posts to
take 10 minutes to survey some of the servers reported for fake clients.
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it would be pretty snazzy to see fast respawn not penalized as
severely as long as the tag was present. Someone a bit earlier back
posted a nicely written observance that summarily stated this:
If you run a community and pay it attention, have good admins, are an
enjoyable personality(s), then
t; If you don't know the speed limit does that excuse you from a speeding
> ticket? NO!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "E. Olsen"
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM
> S
you sure are in violation. I submitted the report to
Valve.
- Original Message -
From: "Brian Simon"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:05:31 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn wi
Bull! Since when? This afternoon. What a crock!
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From: "Brian Simon"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:05:31 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
You're making the assumption that because people are here complaining about
servers and communities breaking a policy that we have servers dead 24/7.
It's just quite annoying having communities outright breaking the policy,
getting reported (multiple times) and still nothing is done about it. I
kn
Okay, seriously guys, this list's occupants are great most of the time,
but sometimes a thread makes me feel like I'm on the World of Warcraft
forums.
Speculation is fun and all, but until an official statement comes in,
that's all it can be: Speculation.
Just please, before posting, think a
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "E. Olsen"
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn with
from populated servers to seek out a compliant server.
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From: "ics"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:41:23 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
M
Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:51:40 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn
without tags OK?
So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot servers running fast
respawn and faking it, i had my own 30 slot servers forcibly turned t
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To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Yeah I kind of feel like an outright ban for the spawn timing thing is slightly
overkill. But, at
- Original Message -
From: "ics"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:51:40 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot
does that excuse you from a speeding ticket?
NO!
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From: "E. Olsen"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
t
and send a message.
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From: "Essay Tew Phaun"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Yeah I kind of f
I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes
down to back & white. I'll give you a specific example:
A few months ago when I had the fast respawn plugin we use re-written by a
Sorucemod coder to insure it added the proper sv_tags, an error was
introduced that went unnot
the major violators
and send a message.
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From: "Essay Tew Phaun"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:29:18 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags
Yeah I kind of feel like an outright ban for the spawn timing thing is
slightly overkill. But, at the same time, this policy has been in place
long enough to where you would think there aren't any Admins/Owners who
aren't aware of it. That seems to make it more of a foul in my opinion.
What I'm re
a ticket.
- Original Message -
From: "E. Olsen"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:52:00 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Meh - I think "delisting/ba
Fair thing would be following the rules that Valve has placed in.
Obviously there always will be rulebreakers but their numbers would
significantly decrease either by temporarely punishements or by more
permanent.
Obviously there will be those who get banned and say "Valve killed our
servers"
Meh - I think "delisting/banning" servers for merely altered spawn times is
killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. Remove them from quickplay? Sure -
why not...but if their only "violation" (which, I would guess, many server
operators are ignorant of) is changing spawn times, then the thing that
p
mp_respawnwatimes "3" to a map config and
then the reporting is handled for you.
- Original Message -
From: "ics"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:29:31 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect?
Olsen"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:25:23 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but on
the maps
Message -
From: "ics"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the rules o
It's failrly easy. If you enable that plugin that breaks the rules, you
disable quickplay traffic with cvar tf_server_identity_disable_quickplay
1. In that case, you do not break the rules.
How can you expect Valve to save you if the plugin creators are ignorant
of their rules. What you are as
The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but
on the maps where it is disabled (i.e. "sm_respawn_time_enabled "0") that
plugin is technically still RUNNING, but since fast respawn is disabled,
the sv_tag is not set.
See my point - you can't just poll a bunch of servers
don't care.
- Original Message -
From: "E. Olsen"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Of course I agree that rules sh
I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the
rules of quickplay and the owners should be punished accordingly. They
might not do it willingly, might have just grabbed a plugin and now know
about the rules of quickplay. Then again, if they registered their
servers to recei
Olsen, it sounds more to me like you've been building your community for a
while, possibly even before Quickplay and have a very solid group of
players. Nowadays, most veteran TF2 players have their own community
servers they visit. I'd wager a guess to say it's nearly impossible to
build a server
Of course I agree that rules should apply to everyone equally.
However, saying that a "*a 32 player server using mp_respawnwavetimes has
no chance against violators of the policy.*" isn't even remotely true. I'm
looking at 10 of my servers that are full (32-players) right now that have
the followi
the rules should apply to us
all.
- Original Message -
From: "Phillip Vector"
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:28:56 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
They ha
I'd generally agree with you on everything other than fake players that are
specifically designed to FOOL the system that decides whether players
should be sent to it in the first place. No players? No problem, we'll load
Fake Players. If no one reports those servers for breaking a policy,
nothing
rver mailing list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:38:36 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags OK?
Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation of
the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified it to insu
They have the choice. It's called the server browser.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM, E. Olsen wrote:
> This is where, IMHO, Valve is sending the wrong message with Quickplay.
> While I fully understand that they created and optimized the game for 24
> players, and they want to push people to p
That's what the "server score" system is for. If player's constantly leave
a server as soon as they are placed in it, that server's score will rapidly
decline, and it will get less and less traffic - which is the best way to
do it. Valve has had the wisdom to (for the most part) allow the players t
This is why I think there should be a Modded game tag for the servers.
Or at least some tag for the major plugins. i.e. Saxton Hale, Freak
Fortress. The fact is that were not trying to scoop up players into a
mode that they don't want to be in as they will instantly leave.
On 7/31/2012 10:38 A
I think he was just saying the ones that do not modify the tags correctly
are breaking the rules.
>
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Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation
of the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified it to insure the
"respawn_times" is added to the server browser when it is enabled (we also
add the "noquickplay" tag for good measure). Running that plugin is NOT a
violat
Yeah this kind of thing I consider a 'minor' violation. Similar to someone
winding up on a Saxton Hale server and it's on a stock map. It'd be really
hard for them to actively monitor for this. Fake players on the other hand..
I've sent several reports to Fletcher about some servers and he has
ack
I am aware that a couple months ago several servers were de-listed for 6
weeks for using FakeClients and Bot plugins.
I am curious though if there is every going to be any enforcement of this
part of the policy:
"ยท Interfering with the mechanisms that advertise modifications to gameplay
rules in
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