Hehe, I was waiting for someone to ask me why I haven't mentioned the applied
professor... We have adjunct faculty and it so happens that there are only two
of us studying horn and both with different teachers. I think in this
instance, it is necessary to talk to the conductor and after readin
Correct and professional deportment in an ensemble is paramount in any
serious music student's training. Even in the professional world, even
though a person may be a good player, if the winner turns out to be a
consumate jerk, more than likely that person will be fired. This is
why most orchestr
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>5. He's acting like a child & getting away with it.<
Dear All
This thread reminds me of a time in my early professional days when, as a
callow youth straight out of music college, I was booked to play 8th horn
with a well known orchestra. The 7th was a slig
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We had a superb method, used once in every si
I'm going to suggest yet another interpretation:
The troublemaker is male, Mara is a female who has superior experience and
playing ability.
So maybe his problem is the bruised ego of a guy who feels dimished when he
can't compete successfully with a female. It happens. The suggestion that
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Trey Johnson wrote:
...I certainly wouldn't want any negative stigma associated with playing
4th horn. ...
I sometimes worry about "tone of voice" in email, and hope that David or
anyone else on the list doesn't think I'm being unfair to them -- just
voicing my opinion.
n playing 2nd.
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27;t think I'm being unfair to them -- just
voicing my opinion.
Trey
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Influence the conductor to reassign
Influence the conductor to reassign #2 to switch with 4th horn.
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This advice is free, so take it for what it's worth
It sounds as if you've done everything you can do, assuming you're
dealing with someone with normal, rational emotions. It sounds to me
as if this guy has problems which may not actually have anything to
do with you at all - this is just
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Believe it or not, If college students actually did what you
suggest, they would, at least in my state, be sent to
prison, as "hazing" as we call
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In your country, Orlando, they may carry a gun or so, which
is not possible here except for some immigrants or refugees
from Balkan, bu
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In a message dated 10/6/2005 9:30:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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We had a superb method, used once in every single case.
Catch the boy, pants dow
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Funny you should mention HIGH SCHOOL.. This is college. This is a
sophomore kid disrespecting a 6th year senior in horn performance. Yeah yeah,
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>Hi Mara,
> I suggest letting the horn professor know what's going on.
When I t
OK, so lets summarize.
1. Its a college orchestra
2. His remarks aren't loud enough for the conductor to hear them in
rehearsal
3. He is annoying & upsetting you
4. You lack the power to fire him, and nobody else is going to. In other
words, you are stuck with him
5. He's acting like a child & get
notes come out distuned.
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Hi Mara,
I suggest letting the horn professor know what's going on. When I taught at
university I always presented a horn studio class at the start of the year
about ensemble etiquette (complete with hand outs) and asked the students to
let me know privately if there were problems within their sec
In a message dated 10/6/2005 9:30:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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We had a superb method, used once in every single case.
Catch the boy, pants down & polish his ass with black shoe
polish, really polishing by a brush. But do not forget,
putting a (potatoe) sack over
im. You have much more important things to worry
about.
Josh
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
Funny you should mention
Funny you should mention HIGH SCHOOL.. This is college. This is a
sophomore kid disrespecting a 6th year senior in horn performance. Yeah yeah,
I've been taking a long time...
We are extremely limited on horns and there is no way I can fire him. There
are no challenges and none can be
x27;m your
problem."
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Good idea. And then when he comes to the next rehearsal wi
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Good idea. And then when he comes to the next rehearsal
with his father's sawed off shot gun, be sure to duck. Is
Marcus Bona making Kevlar horn cases
At 9:30 PM +0200 10/6/05, Hans wrote:
>Play a wild clam here & there & look at him, but very convincing that HE
>was the one with the clam.
Actually, I think woopie cushions might be a lot more effective, and cause
much more pleasure. Be sure to get the model for real pros, not the
imitations, o
beat.
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Hello Mara, with this kind of disrespectful individuals
there is just ONE cur
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Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone might give me suggestions as to
how to deal with a disrespectful section member. I am
section leader for both the top ban
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Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone might give me suggestions as to how to deal
wi
Hi Mara,
What you do depends what kind of orchestra you are in. I'm guessing that it
is a youth or school orchestra. If that is the case, then your options are
limited.
You can quietly take him to one side and point out that it is the job of the
rest of the section to blend together as well as po
e I'll admit, but it may have an idea or two that will
help.
If the behavior doesn't change
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At 9:01 AM -0700 10/6/05, Mara Cushion wrote:
>Can anyone offer me any suggestions of things I might say to him or at
>least gain some control?
There's two parts to being a successful player. One is the playing part and
the other is the social part.
If this player is failing in the social area, e
Where is the conductor in all this?
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Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone might give me suggestions as to how to deal with a
disrespectful section member. I am section leader for both the top band and
orchestra at my school and there's one kid in particular who keeps giving me
attitude. I have much more experience than he does in
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