Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In , on 04/26/2012 at 10:48 AM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler said: >page transfers/io is done with channel programs which have real >addresses. On most machines in the family, but DOS/VSE running with ECPS:VSE used virtual addresses in channel programs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: > This is a case where I prefer the Burroughs notation; they called the > equivalent flag the presence bit, which is more neutral. page transfers/io is done with channel programs which have real addresses. virtual memory has segment

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In , on 04/26/2012 at 09:01 AM, Binyamin Dissen said: >Its invalid because its invalid. Got it. Thanks. This is a case where I prefer the Burroughs notation; they called the equivalent flag the presence bit, which is more neutral. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:19:32 -0400 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In <2aadp75utk3rndje61uiscu5ocln0lt...@4ax.com>, on 04/24/2012 :> at 04:23 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: :>>If the "invalid" page can be paged-in, in what way is it "invalid"? :>The "page-invalid bit" is one, per PoOps. Its

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In , on 04/24/2012 at 05:21 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >But I would suggest that most references to "invalid" pages do not >cause an 0C4. Nor did I suggest that most would. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In <77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca3495...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com>, on 04/24/2012 at 03:02 PM, Bill Fairchild said: >There is another very common way for a massive number of S0C4s to be >generated and instantly resolved, which I have often seen in System >traces, and that is when one

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In <2aadp75utk3rndje61uiscu5ocln0lt...@4ax.com>, on 04/24/2012 at 04:23 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >If the "invalid" page can be paged-in, in what way is it "invalid"? The "page-invalid bit" is one, per PoOps. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In , on 04/24/2012 at 02:57 PM, Tony Harminc said: >However exceptions that occur because of low storage or page >protection are certainly protection exceptions, Indeed, as are access-list violations. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

SV: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] För > Andy Wood > Skickat: den 25 april 2012 09:15 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas > > On Tue, 24

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:03:24 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: . . .> >I once saw an 0C5 in an MVS guest running under VM. Turned out to be a bug in >VM. The last time I saw an 0C5 was on a LURA instruction, but I am sufficiently ancient that I can recall the time when they were almost as common as

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On 4/24/2012 8:23 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: They are not - 0C4's - they are pic-10/11/3E/etc. I once saw an 0C5 in an MVS guest running under VM. Turned out to be a bug in VM. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x31

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On 23 April 2012 17:01, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 04/20/2012 at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc said: > >>There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is >>always a protection exception of some sort. > > I wouldn't call invalid page and invalid segment protection > exception

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas They are not - 0C4's - they are pic-10/11/3E/etc. S0C4 is when the supervisor says that it cannot resolve the fault. On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:02:10 + Bill Fairchild wrote: :>There is another very common way for a

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

u :>Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas :> :>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :> :>>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant :>> :>>wrote: :>> :>>:>It is more common for these exceptions t

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

, April 24, 2012 9:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant > >wrote: > >:>It is more common for these excep

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant >wrote: > >:>It is more common for these exceptions to be resolved and the >:>instruction retried than it is for the access to result in a S0C4 abend. > >As I specified "page in", it is c

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant wrote: :>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:23:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :>>If the "invalid" page can be paged-in, in what way is it "invalid"? :>Bit 53 of a page table entry is the Page-invalid bit. If it is set in :>the page table entry that is use

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:23:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >If the "invalid" page can be paged-in, in what way is it "invalid"? Bit 53 of a page table entry is the Page-invalid bit. If it is set in the page table entry that is used to reference a location in storage, a Page-translation excepti

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

are.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas If the "invalid" page can

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:01:11 -0400 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In :>, :>on 04/20/2012 :> at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc said: :>>There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is :>>always a protection exception of some sort. :>I wouldn't call invalid page and invalid se

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:58:12 -0400 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In <002101cd1f3b$43f7b090$cbe711b0$@net>, on 04/20/2012 :> at 05:19 PM, Micheal Butz said: :>>A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't :>>match :>Only if you're still running OS/360; otherwise 0C4

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In , on 04/20/2012 at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc said: >There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is >always a protection exception of some sort. I wouldn't call invalid page and invalid segment protection exceptions. In fact, invalid page normally causes a pagein rather th

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

In <002101cd1f3b$43f7b090$cbe711b0$@net>, on 04/20/2012 at 05:19 PM, Micheal Butz said: >A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't >match Only if you're still running OS/360; otherwise 0C4 is seriously overloaded. >Does it matter what the PSW key at the time of the STO

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 6:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:19:25 -0400 Micheal Butz wrote: :>Was wondering If someone could clear up some things for me :>A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match :>typically trying to access storage key 0 when the PSW key is key 8 Usually update, but on occasion fetch

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

On 20 April 2012 17:19, Micheal Butz wrote: > A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is always a protection exception of some sort. > typically trying to access storage key 0 when the PSW key is key

Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

The storage keys exceptions are determined during the process of executing the specific instruction. The value of PSW key at any time prior to the specific instruction being executed is not relevant. On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: > Hi, > > > > Was wondering If someone coul

Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas

Hi, Was wondering If someone could clear up some things for me A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match typically trying to access storage key 0 when the PSW key is key 8 Two questions arise from this . Does it matter what the PSW key at the

Re: Data Areas?

l...@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) writes: > 23jun69 unbundling announcement starting to charge for application > software, SE services, etc (made case that kernel/operating system was > still free). misc. past posts > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle another result of unbundling anno

Re: Data Areas?

or not 22+ years ago. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Horein Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Data Areas? Thanks for the tip! I did pass along the IP

Re: Data Areas?

In <132176.64681.yahoomail...@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 11/13/2011 at 02:11 PM, Ed Gould said: >That was a little bit before my time. Is there a possibility you >could give a short paragraph or so on a stage 1  or (whatever it was >called became a system), please? There are three

Re: Data Areas?

re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#33 Data Areas? stage1 os/360 sysgen was a 40-100 card assembler (macro) program that was assembled and produced possibly 1000-2000 cards as stage2. stage1 "macros" didn't generate any machine code ... it was all "punch" statem

Re: Data Areas?

ftware before starting the transition to OCO (object code only) in the first part of the 80s. old "Data Areas Manuals to be dropped" ibm-main post from 2007 that discusses OCO and OCO-wars. Tymshare had provided its online computer conferencing to SHARE for free as VMSHARE starting in

Re: Data Areas?

: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Data Areas? In <4ebdc2c1.3080...@valley.net>, on 11/11/2011   at 07:50 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >When IBM first released the System 360, all software was made >available in source form, in addition to the normal  distributions of >

Re: Data Areas?

In <4ebdc2c1.3080...@valley.net>, on 11/11/2011 at 07:50 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >When IBM first released the System 360, all software was made >available in source form, in addition to the normal distributions of >object or load module format. For some programs it was source code onl

Re: Data Areas?

Shmuel, Promises broken. Yes indeed, at GUIDE we heard repeated promises and they were all broken. The opposition was strong but the die had already been cast. The IBMers who got up and stood up and promised are essentially all gone and cannot be found. Either they were lied to by IBM or they

Re: Data Areas?

In <6328682398048265.wa.steve.horeingmail@bama.ua.edu>, on 11/11/2011 at 04:37 PM, Steve Horein said: >Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO. Unfortunately, I am :-( Originally IBM distributed OS/360 in source form. They continued providing source code for OS/VS1, OS/VS2 and

Re: Data Areas?

Thanks for the tip! I did pass along the IPCS command LISTEDT DETAIL to the DASD guy the other day, but I'm not sure if that was a usable solution. On Nov 11, 2011 9:41 PM, "Tony Harminc" wrote: On 11 November 2011 19:56, Steve Horein wrote: > I see. So while not imposs... It can be so, but it

Re: Data Areas?

On 11 November 2011 19:56, Steve Horein wrote: > I see. So while not impossible to make my own maps for reference, it > will/would be a tedious and time consuming effort. Thanks for the explanation! It can be so, but it can also be educational and even at times, fun. Ordinarily it is unwise to bu

Re: Data Areas?

On 11/11/2011 5:37 PM, Steve Horein wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO. Like I mentioned, IOVT/IOCIOVTP isn't the first address I've encountered that once I got there, I didn't know exactly what I was looking at! I do think the Data Area manuals are extremely helpful by noti

Re: Data Areas?

I see. So while not impossible to make my own maps for reference, it will/would be a tedious and time consuming effort. Thanks for the explanation! On Nov 11, 2011 5:07 PM, "Bob Shannon" wrote: OCO: Object Code Only. It means that not all of the control blocks are externalized. (That means they

Re: Data Areas?

OCO: Object Code Only. It means that not all of the control blocks are externalized. (That means they are not documented). Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emai

Re: Data Areas?

Thanks Mark, Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO. Using a portion of your IPLINFO exec as an example: CVTIXAVL = C2d(Storage(D2x(CVT+124),4)) /* point to IOCM */ IOCIOVTP = C2d(Storage(D2x(CVTIXAVL+208),4)) /* pt to IOS Vect Tbl */ CDA = C2d(Storage(D2x(IOCIOVTP+24),

Re: Data Areas?

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:16:31 -0600, Steve Horein wrote: >Hi Listers, > >This isn't about missing Data Area manuals, but rather missing Data Area maps? >I'm interested in IOS Vector Table, whose address can be found in IOCOM. But >what next? I've searched all

Data Areas?

Hi Listers, This isn't about missing Data Area manuals, but rather missing Data Area maps? I'm interested in IOS Vector Table, whose address can be found in IOCOM. But what next? I've searched all six volumes of MVS Data Areas manual for IOVT and IOCIOVTP hoping to find "

Re: z/OS 1.12 data areas

Try here: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/iea2bkb1 I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able to find as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12. 1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12? 2) If so, is IBM now forcing me to use the much more space

Re: z/OS 1.12 data areas

>Barbara - You can download the .boo pubs (including the 1.12 data areas) from >the IBM website http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ I believe that is where I eventually found them, thanks, Bob. (Due to an old post where you mentioned this.) What's wrong with listser

Re: z/OS 1.12 data areas

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:59:34 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: >I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able to find >as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12. > >1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12? > Shelf http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/S

Re: z/OS 1.12 data areas

That took ages to appear (like several hours). In the meantime I have found some old threads with links to something where I can download the .boo books that IBM refuses to put into the pubcenter. The pubcenter has all other recent (as in 1.13) docs. Go figure. Thanks, Barbara -

Re: z/OS 1.12 data areas

Barbara - You can download the .boo pubs (including the 1.12 data areas) from the IBM website http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

z/OS 1.12 data areas

I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able to find as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12. 1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12? 2) If so, is IBM now forcing me to use the much more space consuming, harder-to-read pdfs? The softcopy dokumentation that came with our

Re: MVS Data Areas Manuals

ebruary 01, 2010 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: MVS Data Areas Manuals On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:40:17 -0800, George Fogg wrote: >> I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what >> happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11

Re: MVS Data Areas Manuals

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:40:17 -0800, George Fogg wrote: >> I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what >> happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading? >> I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either th

Re: MVS Data Areas Manuals

> I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what > happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading? > I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either the BookManager > bookshelves > or the PDF extended bookshelves.

MVS Data Areas Manuals

I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading? I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either the BookManager bookshelves or the PDF extended bookshelves. However, I do see th

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

Is there any significance to the fact that the Data Area volumes seem to be the only ones without an IBM document number in the bottom right corner? -Original Message- From: Leopold Strauss Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Data Areas for z/OS

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

Ron, Go to: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/v1r10books.html This brings up the z/OS Internet Library. Click 1.10 under z/OS Elements and Features Publication (on the Book line) In Search Titles, insert Data Areas. This will bring up Data Areas for z/OS V1R10. Select a book

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

Shane, Thanks. I've downloaded the Data Areas manuals, but as you say they're a) PDF and b) not indexed into Librarian/reader, although I guess I can build an index too. Perhaps someone in IBM, or anyone else in the know, can comment on - Why the Data Areas stuff was dr

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

;t want to use as it's slow and poorly formatted. I want to be able to download the books to my PC and read them offline at my lesure. As of z/OS 1.10 I can't find any data areas manuals to download. Ron. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

The initial drop of the 1.10 books did not include Data Areas. Later drops do contain them. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

load the books to my PC and read them offline at my lesure. As of z/OS 1.10 I can't find any data areas manuals to download. Ron. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@b

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 08:03 -0500, Ron MacRae wrote: > I use Softcopy Librarian but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on > either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves. I don't use Softcopy, but the pdfs are available here: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/r10pdf/

Re: Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

Librarian but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves. Have they been moved to a different shelf or renamed or is the only place you can get them on the online book manager site as HTML? That's not much use as it's s slow and the

Data Areas for z/OS 1.10

Guys, I know this was discussed, I've trawled though the archives, but I didn't spot what the answer to the question was. I use Softcopy Librarian but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves. Have they been moved to a different s

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big (like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs Ed, did you find books in "eplcise plugin format", e.g. the z/OS lib

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

>Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my >Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big >(like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs Ed, did you find books in "eplcise plugin format", e.g. the z/OS library? -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Sui

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:41:35 -0600, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >>>I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an >open-source writer. >>I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. >I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! Well, if IBM

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

>Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas >books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought >that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data >areas in both book and PDF format. So that should allay some

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

I'll add one other feature: no JAVA dependancies! Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008 at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe > > Chase, John wrote: > > I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes "a couple > > of weeks" just for the navigation frame to populate. > > > > Information Centers are also Java based..

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

Chase, John wrote: I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes "a couple of weeks" just for the navigation frame to populate. Information Centers are also Java based... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 9004

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden > > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: > > >Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: > >> > >> There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping > >> the .boo format for some of

Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: >>> There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS >>> manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. >>> >> &g

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:16:57 -0500, Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thank you for your thoughts and comments. > >Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas >books, and was intended to be limited to those books. Ok. That wasn't clear

InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Thompson, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They can get scratched and become unreadable. Just had it happen. We had > an INSTALL DVD get a scratch on it, and it became a coaster. Mind you, > it was in a protection sleeve inside a thick cardboard media envelope.

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008 at 11:04 A

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

ssage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas Martin Packer wrote: > I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some "helper scri

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008 at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. What's wrong with old fashioned DVD's? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Peter Relson > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:17 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas > The only issue currently on the tabl

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

>There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS >manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to get current books f

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:45:52 -0600, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>[..] >>Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. >> >Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirem

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[..] >Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. > Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since we no longer have any hardcopy, we ought to have usable software. PDF j

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Thank you for your thoughts and comments. Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. So

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Shmuel Metzwrote: > >I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday > >soon. > > I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java. What he said - although I don't relish resurrecting my old OS/2 floppies yet again ... :eek: A usable Linux (definitely __non-Java__) version would

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008 at 10:08 AM, "Gibney, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday >soon. I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008 at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it >applies only to potential subsequent releases. Please stick with BookManager unless and until you can supply something else at leas

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Yeah, I missed that you needed them locally. I was just responding to being able to easily search the z/VM V5R4 manuals from the Internet. Regarding download: For z/OS, at least, you can use Softcopy Librarian to download books/PDFs/bookshelves/bookshelf indexes. See: http://www.ibm.com/softwa

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Martin Packer wrote: > I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some "helper scripts" > for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter > and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-) Better yet Martin, how about twisting some upper appendages to get some sensible downl

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some "helper scripts" for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-) Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Leo Smith wrote: > Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf? > > Here's how to find it: > > 1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM > and z/VSE manuals, too) at: > > http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ > > 2) Once there, click on the Bookshe

Re: Bookmanger Books (was Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008 at 09:18 AM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >"BookManager Build for Windows" is flat-out no longer supported by IBM >and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We >have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedic

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf? Here's how to find it: 1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and z/VSE manuals, too) at: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ 2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under the

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

+1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling out the survey at Share. Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM 5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through t

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

When I can access PDF from TSO/ISPF I'd be willing to drop the need for Bookmanager format books. If I'm working a problem (either in house or in a DR) I need the doc where I'm working and not rely on connectivity to other platforms (either in house or externally at IBM). Jerry Whitteridge Mainf

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

AND with FTP/TLS -- No unsecured (in clear) credentials allowed to access the mainframe so native FTP is disallowed and the Librarian product only uses in clear. Jerry Whitteridge Mainframe Engineering Safeway Inc 925 951 4184 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If everything seems under control, you're just not g

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Would it help if we stop calling it "BookMangler" ? :-) Seriously, I am a big fan of the Book Manager format and would be lost without it. I find the TSO interface particularly useful, especially when looking up messages and codes. Please remember that not all shops allow their programmers to ha

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:30 -0600, Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote: > >> >>Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain. >>That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and >>blan

Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas

Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and 1.7/1.9 on my laptop. I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someda

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