Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings:
o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in
'C'est ça!', That's right! .
o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there.
As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'.
If it were
*d'accord*
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings:
o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in
'C'est ça!', That's right! .
o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and
Wayne
Yes sir right on the money
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote:
*d'accord*
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
In 32b4040d-954c-4ca0-9c4f-f472f666c...@yahoo.com, on 12/05/2013
at 01:38 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said:
I always thought VMS was *nix like???
If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang
It's its own thing, although the designers may have picked up some
ideas from
In
caajsdjgw+t1cbvxsgtykddoxgqnu0re_bxyubgccg4mjewo...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/05/2013
at 11:04 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the otelnetd UNIX
daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread
_seems to me_ to implement
In
CAE1XxDF6a57+wPEJsLQesOTun3OFeq-ObR=zudw++gw9ceg...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/04/2013
at 10:09 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor,
Of course we are.
We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity,
No. We're dealing
In
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com,
on 12/04/2013
at 07:46 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said:
Well, common sense would suggest
www.google.comhttp://www.google.com.
Common sense is frequently wrong.
Try that.
BTDT,GTS
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.)
In
caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/04/2013
at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
NVT?
See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
In 1mhu99pv4m3ki96ug6d0g46nb44j1bc...@4ax.com, on 12/04/2013
at 11:16 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said:
What was the VMS facility like?
Part of the naming syntax was a version number, and there was a
command to control how many versions of a specific file to retain. If
you
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/04/2013
at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
NVT?
See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854.
I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is
it's own thang
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:38:46 -0500, Scott Ford wrote:
I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or
is it's own thang
What's *nix like? On a cursory brush, I believe VMS has a hierarchic
filesystem. That's *nix like. It doesn't have an ALLOCATE command.
That's
Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca
va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's
meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hey zMan,
Yep..but on Switzerland French shall we say interesting like the Swiss German
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote:
Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a
W dniu 2013-12-05 19:38, Scott Ford pisze:
I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is
it's own thang
In simple words: No. VMS is similar to ...VMS, and maybe older DEC
systems which I don't know (RSX-11 AFAIR).
Few concepts of VMS:
Unix has single root,
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
And an alien once asked me, VM is a version of MVS, isn't it?
cms had about 64kbytes of code that was the os simulator that allowed
os compilers and many applications to run unmodified.
the burlington mall vm370 development group was working on a
Gil and R.S.,
I was curious about VMS because I haven't worked on that platform. Worked many
others in a past life supporting LU 6.2 file transfer on 26 platforms. But that
was like a lifetime ago.
I went from OS/VS2 to VSE to VM/VSE , then MVS so I feel your pain Gil
Scott ford
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca
va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's
meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine
Think idiom. First
Tony Harminc wrote:
Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't
seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the
.com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search
tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to
Gil,
Your correct it's an idiom..slang...more or less...in 3 yrs in Switzerland I
learned I needed a better accent to speak French and Swiss German and don't ask
for items in French in a Swiss German canton or State..it ain't pretty
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9239984/OpenVMS_R.I.P._1977_2020_
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or
is it's own thang
Scott ford
In
CAArMM9QeTw591qh8H1Y1+uMEH=i_sav7rzpbjaxi9nvjsiu...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/03/2013
at 06:49 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
OK. STATUS with no operands doesn't call the TSO
CANCEL/STATUS/OUTPUT exit, but a JES exit can perform job
selection for STATUS using any criteria it likes.
In
CAArMM9TchzPZCAeKDsSjVJWZ2JWkBHBQpsikzWYG2w=6u04...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/03/2013
at 07:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things
vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing.
I don't recall google ever
In
CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/03/2013
at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file
name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF
key.
Various *ix
|| But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things
|| vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing.
| I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match.
We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing
with the problem of
In
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com,
on 12/03/2013
at 04:48 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said:
Re Google:
What URL? I normally use
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to
a google browser plugin rather than their web site?
use
Tony Harminc said:
But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close
to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing.
Indeed. I sometimes had to use advanced searches, but you need to search (sic)
for that picture of a gear (options), where you can then search
On 29 Nov 2013 14:02:35 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
In 0378217484586824.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/29/2013
at 11:47 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
Again, you discuss the shortcoming of a specific system while I have
a broad view.
You're specific
. . . previous post continued
[q]ueries and the placement of advertisements. Yesterday we had a
discussion of the LE HEAPCHECK facilitiy. Googling it this morning
yielded advertisements for cheap personalized bank checks.
Given the current state of the art exclusion oif notional irrelevance
is
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
What URL? I normally use
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to
a google browser plugin rather than their web site?
Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try
that.
...phsiii
W dniu 2013-12-04 16:16, Clark Morris pisze:
On 29 Nov 2013 14:02:35 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
In 0378217484586824.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/29/2013
at 11:47 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
Again, you discuss the shortcoming of a specific system
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/03/2013
at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
My thought. While you are typing a command with a
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:09:08 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing
with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, which humans are
extraordinarily good at and even ther best AI methods cannot reaslly
cope with.
Watson? But how would
: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:16:18 AM
Subject: Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging
Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google
is useless
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:
deleted
My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then
Google is useless.
deleted
Try using http://www.google.fr for french words?
(use a country suffix where that lanquage is
Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles
transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it
will say:
Did you mean: спасебо
and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the
transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I
Hey zMan,
I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in
Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com
On 4 December 2013 10:46, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote:
Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try
that.
Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't
seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the
.com (i.e. US)
On 4 December 2013 19:33, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try
that.
Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't
seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the
.com (i.e.
On 03.12.2013 07:13, David Crayford wrote:
On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
I would
guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify
with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt
I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support
monitoring directories, which
In 529cd1c5.9030...@tulsagrammer.com, on 12/02/2013
at 12:30 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said:
I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix
catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path.
A central repository won't solve that problem.
I know it's
In
CAE1XxDF9CN8XdrzH4rBVgzkNTW0aD=rb9ue4v6odux-dbdq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/02/2013
at 02:48 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical
to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a
deficiency of UNIX, not one of
In
CAArMM9QE1XRUYPzNjuwW6uj2HoC9RAN0RQaovr1OU=uveo9...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/02/2013
at 06:19 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
I'm not sure in what sense it replies on it.
Consider the STATUS command.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote:
[...]
Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the
unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can
search the index for my file name
Tony,
Sloppy coding at google ?
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600,
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc
t...@harminc.netmailto:t...@harminc.net wrote:
I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl
dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost
impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings
My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file
name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key.
The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible
matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the
desired match and pressing
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file
name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key.
The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible
matches. You
Mike,
I like that solution, very nice . Love time savers ...especially when your up
to your ...in alligators
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
My thought. While
In 1885724251.2483267.1385936064169.javamail.r...@comcast.net, on
12/01/2013
at 10:14 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net said:
I believe John Gilmore meant that the original S/360 architects
thought that the system should support at least five levels in a
file name and that each level could
In 20131201232728.GA25455@dlc-dt, on 12/01/2013
at 06:27 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com said:
If I remember correctly, the sole reason for limiting TSO IDs to a
maximum of seven characters was to ensure running batch jobnames
submitted by TSO users would never conflict with the TSO
In 6aee915e-660b-471b-837c-b2ef76d0a...@comcast.net, on 12/01/2013
at 06:15 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said:
I remember distinctly that UID's were limited to 7 characters.
Yes, as was prefix. However, a FQDSN could have an 8-character HLQ.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
On 12/1/13 7:51 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
Actually, your whole description is bizarre and I think wrong.
With a UNIX file, how do I NOT know where /var/log/messages is?
As long as you use a full path, you know where everything is.
I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote:
I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix
catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ...
Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the
unqualified file name and the data is the path to
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:15:04 -0600, Ed Gould wrote:
I remember distinctly that UID's were limited to 7 characters.
One of the reasons was that UADS had a directory of 8 characters and
the 8th character was reserved for UID's needing more space in UADS
so a character was reserved (shaky here but
Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to,
the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of
UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
--
For
On 12/2/2013 10:54 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
It's hard to say, but certainly the CVOL data structure is similar to
a PDS directory.
Considering that they share code in common (e.g., directory
initialization and catalog formatting), it's extremely likely.
I was wondering about the
Using pooled data from three large shops I found for index-level usage
in 28K cataloged PDSs, PDSEs, and GDGs:
level, percent | histogram
1, 00 |
2, 41 |
3, 31 |xx
4, 24 |x
5, 05 |
These results strongly suggest---They of course stop well short of
proving---that five index levels
A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do with
desktops) -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines
Something like Recoil / Xapian could probably be ported to z/OS. I would
guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to
David [Andrews]:
300K data sets all having six-level DSN values suggests that there is
a standard in place that enforces their use, and you have implicitly
said what it is.
What this suggests to me is that four levels are enough for your
purposes, leaving two available for DATE.TIME values (or,
Gil,
Yes UADS was a PDS and there were some unusual items in UAD that were
semi hidden.
One I remember stumbling into was CPU time that the user had
accumulated since the creation of the ID.
Very sneaky (IIRC) .
Ed
On Dec 2, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013
On 2 December 2013 11:01, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In 20131201232728.GA25455@dlc-dt, on 12/01/2013
at 06:27 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com said:
If I remember correctly, the sole reason for limiting TSO IDs to a
maximum of seven characters was to
Kirk,
Absolutely, that would be a great , interesting conversion to z/OS
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:
A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do
On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
I would
guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify
with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt
I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support
monitoring directories, which diminishes it's value. A port of inotify
for
There is a restaurant near me here, just west of Boston in the United
States, that serves 'fusion cuisine', its dishes are a mixture of the
ingredients and techniques of Greek, Indochinese, and French cuisine.
Some of these dishes are successful, but too many are not: their menu
descriptions read
Ze'ev appears to me to want to graft what are essentially interactive,
conversational facilities onto JCL, which is a batch facility. This
may well be possible, but doing it will require careful thought and
much experimentation/evolutionary operation.
I already concluded that the z/OS side may
TSO appends a prefix of your userid to your data set name unless you
specify quotes.
Other operating systems assume the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_directory ,
Working in a shell or script, you can the current directory then you
work within that directory.
Windows shortcuts can specify
TSO appends a prefix of your userid to your data set name unless you specify
quotes.
Don't forget PROFILE NOPREFIX
-
Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
--
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
On 12/1/2013 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
TSO appends a prefix of your userid to your data set name unless you
specify quotes.
Sometimes. The value that is prepended is the user id only by default,
as the user may set a prefix of 1-7 characters.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, Vermont
Ahhh. So you want the system to find the file filename *anywhere that it
exists* when you say *verb* filename?
Hmm. Do I want that? Do I want what worked fine yesterday to stop working
today because a download or unzip created a new filename? Even
disambiguation via prompts would be extremely
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:30 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
Ahhh. So you want the system to find the file filename *anywhere that it
exists* when you say *verb* filename?
Hmm. Do I want that? Do I want what worked fine yesterday to stop working
today because a download or unzip
Let me back it up a level: what's the problem you're trying to solve? Are
you trying to make things more user-friendly? I submit that the
unpredictability this introduces would have the opposite effect.
This is the kind of reaction that I am waiting for, pointing to things that
need to be
I still like using the Linux locate command for this. It does a data base
lookup, which is maintained non-real-time via updatedb, and presents a list
of entire path names which match the given input. I may need to look at
getting the source and seeing if I can port it to z/OS UNIX.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:55:58 -0600, Anthony Babonas wrote:
Don't forget the hyphen and x'C0'.
Hyphen is strange. JCL allows hyphen in data set names in some
contexts; reports it as a syntax error elsewhere. I believe this is
documented.
ISPF LM services allows hyphen in member names in some
PROF NOPRE?
In a message dated 12/1/2013 9:09:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
gerh...@valley.net writes:
Sometimes. The value that is prepended is the user id only by default,
as the user may set a prefix of 1-7 characters.
You keep telling us about an annoying limitation which is not a defect. I agree
that at times, it is annoying but it has also proved to be very useful. Also as
it age's the user's of the system is changing the pattern of usage.
As z/OS ages, the typical end user doesn't know or care what a
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
With a brief exposure to MVS, I started to learn CMS. I was shocked
(briefly) to learn that file names might begin with numeric digits; in
fact be entirely numeric. Why not in OS/360 data set names? In an
era of severe storage and CPU cycle
.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 4:05:19 PM
Subject: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
In
cae1xxdesuckurytxfugpi7kz3fzsap2np4xcuk+1tavy93g...@mail.gmail.com,
on 11/29/2013
at 02:16 PM, John Gilmore jwgli
In 0905701904337885.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/30/2013
at 08:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Is the limit HLQ or TSO prefix?
TSO limits the prefix to 7; for an explicit FQDSN it accepts an
8-character HLQ.
Do catalog services enforce a limit of 7?
No, nor
Helped perhaps by the fact that he knows what 'antetypical' means,
Bill Fairchild has made my case better than I had made it. I did
indeed have [some of] these notions in mind.
The more recent development of this thread has pleased me.
Vociferous, historically tin-eared objections have been very
In 8649425507335336.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
12/01/2013
at 12:20 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
I have identified the defect pretty well,
You waved your hands; you never identified a problem that a central
repository would solve.
you refuse to see that definition
In 3197351753588016.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
12/01/2013
at 08:21 AM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
I do not want people to shoot the idea down just because I referred
to only one example.
The problem is not that you have only one example, it is that you are
shooting from
In
CAJTOO5-iHgc15A_BytT=cObawqo=6a0-i+moogprvnq5fam...@mail.gmail.com,
on 12/01/2013
at 08:27 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
TSO appends a prefix of your userid to your data set name unless you
specify quotes.
Except when it doesn't. See PROFILE PREFIX.
--
Shmuel
On 13Dec01:1758-0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 0905701904337885.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/30/2013
at 08:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Is the limit HLQ or TSO prefix?
TSO limits the prefix to 7; for an explicit FQDSN it accepts an
Dave:
I remember distinctly that UID's were limited to 7 characters.
One of the reasons was that UADS had a directory of 8 characters and
the 8th character was reserved for UID's needing more space in UADS
so a character was reserved (shaky here but the 8th character was
either 0, 1 2 etc)
Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
This could be done except for TSO, due to unfortunate dependences on both the
high and low portion of the data set name. The designers, in their infinite
wisdom, chose to define the PSCB to contain a 7-byte user id (or user
specified prefix), followed by a one byte
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:25:50 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
I believe you can do that with 8 char HLQ, but I need to test it too. About
raising length limits of HLQ, you will have to redesign RACF, JES2 and modules
used to allocate temp dsn.
Is the limit HLQ or TSO prefix? On a quick
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Is the limit HLQ or TSO prefix? On a quick glance, I don't see any catalogued
data sets with an 8-character HLQ. Do catalog services enforce a limit of 7?
No. Limit of 7 chars are for TSO ids only. Of course that limit are propagated
to datasets starting with TSO ids.
Don't forget the hyphen and x'C0'.
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On Nov 29, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
A-Z@#$: 29 characters for the first character, plus 0-9 for up to 7
additional characters.
That's correct and that's where I took the idea from. That concept
needs improvements
No doubt, but so far you haven't identified any defect that a new type
of catalog would resolve.
I have identified the defect pretty well, except that you refuse to see that
definition and go to circular
In 2290167024549142.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/28/2013
at 08:08 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
What I envision is a central system catalog that any file name
created (reasonably or virtually no limitations on file names,
level of hierarchies or any other such
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:06:23 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 6/11/2013 8:31 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
... standard security on z/OS is provided by a single programming interface
regardless of the ESM you are using.
It's a shame to same can't be said of the file system. In Unix
everything is a
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:08:59 -0600, Ze'ev Atlas wrote:
What I envision is a central system catalog that any file name created
(reasonably or virtually no limitations on file names, level of hierarchies or
any other such limitations [obviously more, much more than 44 characters and 5
levels])
Mount point is dynamic, not static. Its more analogous to volser than
to device address.
Again, you discuss the shortcoming of a specific system while I have a broad
view. Implementation would have to take things like volser, mount points or
whatever and hide them once and for all from the
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On 11/29/2013 12:36 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
There is no limitation ... of ... 5 levels Hasn't been for a long
time; perhaps never was.
While I don't remember a 5-level limit, there always was (and will be?)
a practical limit. Using every possible legal name, even at a single
level,
I don't recall the official limit. I did just allocate
USER123.A.B.C.D.E.F.G.H.I.J.K.L.M.N.O.P.Q.RS
Not sure what this proves..
On 11/29/2013 12:49 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
On 11/29/2013 12:36 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
There is no limitation ... of ... 5 levels Hasn't been for a
Under OS/360 the notional, antetypical 'longest' index had the syntax
level1.level2.level3.level4.level5
Then, since leveli values could be at most 8 characters in length, 5
x 8 + 4 yielded the maximal character count of 44. The 44-character
and 8-character maxima remain; the 5-level maximum
computers.
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I don't recall the official
Todd Burrell is right. The secondary-school algebra is immediate:
n x 1 + n - 1 = 44, 2n - 1 = 44, n = 45/2 = 22.5, floor(22.5) = 22.
Twenty-two levels is of course clumsy for human use, but
program-constructed indices having so many levels may well be useful
in some situations.
John Gilmore,
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