I'd not use SFS for Linuxes A-disk. The benefits SFS surely has for
CMS users, are not enough for Linux guests to outweight the chances of
an SFS that is down.
But, if you insist: renaming the VMSYS filepool to something else is a
task done on 30 seconds (I did that often in my previous live):
-
Well, JMS is a Java thing, so CMS-only solutions are pretty much out.
You'll probably have to write an app that uses SMAPI to create the
userids. Jack Woehr's pigiron gadget will make that a lot easier.
Most of the SMAPI docs are Linux oriented but it's just a template, so
CMS users are
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But because I share my res volume among the CSE'd systems, I can't install
any of the products in SFS, because I may need to build one or more of the
products on each of the various systems. So everything gets put in
minidisks, and the vmsys: filepool remains fairly empty.
If I could share vmsys:
I generally use M, since if I can¹t get write access, I don¹t really need it
at all at the moment.
The whole issue isn¹t that great here, as we have only four actual users
that would ever attempt to get write access to the Linux guest 191 shared
disk, and two of us sit within shouting distance
The only thing I would really use SFS for would be the product disks (CP,
CMS, GCS, etc), and trying to move those to another pool would mean having
to edit many of the control files that come with the install and maintenance
that contain the VMSYS: filepool name. Too big a headache to make it
My first approach would be to build a linux service machine that takes JMS
input and converts it to either:
1) a SMAPI call if you've already enabled SMAPI management of your VM
systems
2) a plain ol virtual punchcard that you can send off to the existing CMS
automation with the new VMUR driver.
|The point was that the actual Linux guests certainly never need write
access to their own |191 minidisk
True for cloning -- not true if you use the RedHat 'kickstart' method (or
SuSE autoyast, which I haven't tried, personally). I've helped several
clients implement an 'automated kickstart' -
David Boyes wrote:
Well, JMS is a Java thing, so CMS-only solutions are pretty much out.
Did the MQSeries client for CMS die? MQ is very nice.
You'll probably have to write an app that uses SMAPI to create the
userids. Jack Woehr's pigiron gadget will make that a lot easier.
Here's a
For the VMSYS issue: you can also ly and have that same filepool
available both as VMSYS and as some other name.
1. Change the real filepool id as explained in my previous note. Any
name not starting with VMSYS makes it a candidate for access from
anywhere within the CSE. eg: MYSFS
2. Add REMOTE
Hi, Jack.
Jack Woehr wrote:
David Boyes wrote:
Well, JMS is a Java thing, so CMS-only solutions are pretty much out.
Did the MQSeries client for CMS die? MQ is very nice.
No, the MQ client code still seems to be shipped with z/VM 5.4. Some example/sample Rexx
execs, and PL/I-C-COBOL code,
Hi
I was moving along just fine and when I tried to logon to a user I
received the following message:
HCP6525E External Security Manager is unavailable.
I see that the RACFVM is still logged on DISC. I do not see any
indication of what may have happened. Anyone have any ideas
It probably abended and hasn't been forced off the system yet.. If you
spool the console, you can try and see what happened in the console log.
For now - you may have to login to the RACFVM userid (use the directory
password) - and start it up manually and see what you can see...
Scott Rohling
Hi Scott.
Can I just IPL CMS while I am on the RACFVM user is get it to logon
again or is there a specific startup command?
Thank You,
Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin - Information Technology
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Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :-
I was moving along just fine and when I tried to logon to a user I
received the following message:
HCP6525E External Security Manager is unavailable.
I see that the RACFVM is still logged on DISC. I do not see any
indication of
You would IPL 490 -- and then you may have to enter RACSTART if it doesn't
come up on it's own..
Scott Rohling
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Scott.
Can I just IPL CMS while I am on the RACFVM user is get it to logon again
I sent an offlist note to Martha last night suggesting MQ. Our z/VM 5.1
system has code running to support an MQ application which permitted
Windows PCs to submit batch jobs to that VM system. Unfortunately, that
application was cancelled after we devised the support. Checking just
moments
Hi
When I start it backup here is what I get:
RACFVM : RPISMF059E Primary and secondary SMF disks full - SMF
recording stoppe
d.
RACFVM : Please enter the userid to link to for restarting the SMF
recording:
RACFVM : Please enter the virtual address to link to for restarting
the
For now -- you could try:
- IPL CMS on RACFVM
- ACCESS 301 B
- ACCESS 302 C
- SENDFILE SMF DATA B MAINT
- ERASE SMF DATA B
- SENDFILE SMF DATA C MAINT
- ERASE SMF DATA C
- IPL 490 and start racf again
Now you have your SMF data in MAINT's reader if it's needed ..
To fix - you may need to
Normally, user RACFSMF should be XAUTOLOGed by RACFVM when it gets a
DISK FULL on 301 or 302. RACFSMF is supposed to cleanup the disk
that got full, maybe first archiving the log, or creating a report,
...
The log contains information about who logged on when, but also
invalid passwords, LINKs
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on
10/29/2008 05:51:10 AM:
On a similar but disparate subject: Why do we have to use tape to move
SDF
type files from one system to another? I just want to move CMS, GCS and
the
various system files from one system within CSE to
Ok Yes, you can test the log-full switch process by entering
SMSG RACFVM SMF SWITCH
from an authorized user (in CSTCONS ASSEMBLE/TEXT), I think OPERATOR
is there by default.
2008/10/29 Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Normally, user RACFSMF should be XAUTOLOGed by RACFVM when it gets a
DISK
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 10:57 EDT, Scott Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It probably abended and hasn't been forced off the system yet.. If you
spool
the console, you can try and see what happened in the console log. For
now -
you may have to login to the RACFVM userid (use the
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 11:35 EDT, Kris Buelens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RACF's 301 and 302 log minidisks are full. Quick bypass:
(from RACFVM)
FORMAT 301 Z
sirens
lights
loudspeaker
ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!
INTRUDER ALERT -- INTRUDER ALERT -- INTRUDER ALERT
THE SYSTEM ACCESS
On 10/29/2008 at 9:49 AM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
True for cloning -- not true if you use the RedHat 'kickstart' method (or
SuSE autoyast, which I haven't tried, personally). I've helped several
clients implement an 'automated kickstart' - which involves creating the
Hi... I'm setting up EDEVs and it's been ages since I did FBA stuff...
How many blocks are normal to reserve (not give to a user MDISK or to
put in $ALLOC$) for the equivalent of reserving cylinder zero for CP on
an ECKD volume? It looks like DSF assumes 4 blocks.
Thanks,
Lee
--
Lee
I'm surprised by another discussion that seems to say that SFS is not reliable
or dependable.
Is that true in your shop?
How heavy of a use it it?
Here, I'm the major human user. The other 6 users may or may not use it on
any given day.
However, I count 34, CMS type servers, that I have
One of the SFS scenario's discussed 2 LPARs sharing an SFS filepool
holding common file(s) used to setup and IPL linux guests.
SFS would be unreliable if the LPAR running the SFS filepool was down
for maintenance and the other LPAR couldn't use those unavailable SFS
files to start its Linux
Tom
I can't agree with you stronger. I never have had a problem with SFS
that was not caused by dumb stuff, backups failing etc. And I have had
my share of CMS minidisk problems.
Thank You,
Scott R Wandschneider
Senior Systems Programmer || Infocrossing, a Wipro Company || 11707
Miracle Hills
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 01:41 EDT, Romanowski, John (OFT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the SFS scenario's discussed 2 LPARs sharing an SFS filepool
holding common file(s) used to setup and IPL linux guests.
SFS would be unreliable if the LPAR running the SFS filepool was down
for
My former customer (a major bank in Belgium) ran since VM/SP R6 with
SFS as pre-req for their batch: no SFS == no batch run. Later on, no
SFS even meant VM application not available. At this shop, the z/VM
systems were even more stable than their z/OS systems. Each of the 18
VM systems we used
Hello Tom,
I agree with you that SFS is very reliable.35
Nomad/UltraQuest users and UQBATCH , plus Systems guy that use SFS.
Allows for changes to the Nomad Schema's with ease.
And like Scott indicated, as long as the backup are taken at the
proper times, everything
Alan wrote;
SFS has been around for 21 years and I think it has been very reliable. We
couldn't build z/VM without it since it holds all the source code!
Including a lot of VENDORS like the one company I used to work for that
had their FOCUS on the largest Shared File System I ever saw. ;-)
Scott said:
I never have had a problem with SFS that was not caused by dumb stuff,
backups failing etc.
Agreed, but it's still a problem. And one that I don't seem to have with
minidisks. I use SFS for linux console logs. The logs are also FTP'd
elsewhere, this is just my easy-access 30 day log.
On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
SFS has been around for 21 years
No! That's impossible! Why, that would mean that I'moh, dear.
Adam
I certainly wasn't trying to say SFS wasn't reliable. It's just a 'point of
failure'. And I say that it's a point of failure as opposed to a LINK of a
minidisk, which doesn't require a properly defined filepool be available
(think DR). Of course, minidisks also have to have proper security defs
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 08:51 EDT, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why couldn't vmsys: be localized by default, but allow the option of
sharing
it among systems, where it makes sense in the customer's environment?
Don't
be so headstrong in protecting me from myself; I may have thought of
Yes, that's one way to do it.. another is to use a temp disk and avoid
involvement of 'yet another' userid.. ;-) You're right - it doesn't
require use of a r/w 191.. but a r/w address somewhere a long the way...
Scott Rohling
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have been a contented user of SFS since the HPO5 days. The only
problems that I had in the early days were head crashes on the 3380
A04/B04 drives that VM was saddled with (we were the redheaded stepchild
of an airline). The most recent problem I had was with a catalog that
was corrupted by the
I worked for the major computer manufacturer where they tested new devices. We
had 21 z/VM systems with many users on each system running tests that produced
huge amounts of data, and all of it was stored in one SFS file system.
I was told it was the largest BFS (SFS) in the world.
The only
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 02:25 EDT, Scott Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as functionality -- no question SFS is more flexible, etc ..
but for a
super important disk like the Linux guest startup -- I'd use a
minidisk.
Maybe in the end, the best thing to do is IPL the 200
Pray tell. What was wrong with SFS at that time?
Are you a very heavy SFS shop? Hundreds of file accesses a minute?
I'm trying to find out, in what environments, SFS reliability is a concern.
In the past, I've had more problems with clobbered minidisk directories then
I've ever had with SFS.
Hi (again)...
We're trying to define a bunch of EDEVs and finding things not as we'd
expect...
We have a z10 running NPIV to an XIV (IBM SCSI) box. We have 4 sets of
LUNs defined - each set has 2 LUNs, a 32GB and a 10GB. There are 2 FCP
devices (each with unique virtual WWPNs) defined to
I have been a contented user of SFS since the HPO5 days.
Must have been a special customer then: SFS started with VM/SP R6 for
the normal mortals.
HPO 6 was only available as a special offering in Belgium (but we got
it for my customer).
--
Kris Buelens,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Could you post output of CP Q EDEV 8000 DETAILS
and the CP SET EDEV commands you run to define EDEV 8001 and the
resulting HCP messages?
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Thanks all. I was able to get RACF back running. I did not have RACFSMF
set up to handle the switching. I am doing that now!!
One last note after I cleared the SMF data sets and re-ipled RACFVM (I
IPL 490 CL) it still asked for the USERID that was set up to handle the
switching (RACFSMF) and the
In this log, 8000 is LUN 1, and online and in use...
We've just defined 8001 as pointing to LUN 2 on the same path and try to
vary it online...
q edev 8000-8001 details
EDEV 8000 TYPE FBA ATTRIBUTES SCSI
VENDOR: IBM PRODUCT: 2810XIV REVISION: 10.0
BLOCKSIZE: 512 NUMBER OF BLOCKS: 67108864
Hi Lee,
We're trying to define a bunch of EDEVs and finding things not as we'd
expect...
We have a z10 running NPIV to an XIV (IBM SCSI) box.
Be aware that XIV is not currently supported for attachment to a System z
processor.
...snip...
Anyone else seen anything similar?
I haven't
On Wednesday, 10/29/2008 at 04:11 EDT, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks all. I was able to get RACF back running. I did not have RACFSMF
set up to handle the switching. I am doing that now!!
One last note after I cleared the SMF data sets and re-ipled RACFVM
In VM/SP 5 there was a program product called FSF (File Sharing Facility). We
didn't buy it as I already had a bunch of EXECs from VM/SP 3 which would link
the minidisk in R/O mode for accessing. When you Saved or Filed the member, it
would try to get the disk in R/W mode, do the save, then
Thanks for information Alan!
Thank You,
Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin - Information Technology
z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning
Cell - 443 632-4191
Work - 410 786-0386
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
We tried FSF and it never worked .. it came in source code and had to be
assembled etc.. a real bear. Yes long live SFS!
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:37 PM
To:
Hi
I know this has probably been asked before can/how do you add a SPOOL
volume dynamically and safely!
Thank You,
Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin - Information Technology
z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning
Cell - 443 632-4191
Work - 410 786-0386
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lee wrote:
Hi... I'm setting up EDEVs and it's been ages since I did FBA stuff...
Ahhh, but you HAVE done it. [voice of Jack Sparrow]
How many blocks are normal to reserve (not give to a user MDISK or to
put in $ALLOC$) for the equivalent of reserving cylinder zero for CP on
an ECKD
Well it looks like it should work but it don't;
It'd be interesting to see if EDEV 8001 could be varied online after
EDEV 8000 is deleted; and then if you tried to define and vary on 8000
would it have the same problem?
It should work if the wwpn of 50c7 is allowed by the XIV to access LUN
0002,
Just addlement in my old age. We had HPO5 running as a guest under the
VM/XAs and under VM/ESA for a short while.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29,
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then let's be clear: it is the environment, *not* SFS that is
unreliable.
The problem I had with a more complicated ISFC collection is that when
the ISFC collection is dropped (going through a system that takes an
Lee --
What you sent LOOKS like it should work.
Eric mentioned that XIV is not supported,
so I have to guess that there is something magical with that device
causing it to either misbehave or to confuse CP.
What you describe is quite like what we do all the time:
same FCP (pair in our case),
Is there a 'native' way to have your guest brought down and autologged? I
suppose I'm looking for a CP command which instead of allowing the guest to
say.. IPL - actually signals it off (respecting signal times) and brings it
immediately back. This would be nice for Linux guests -- say their
On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Scott Rohling wrote:
Is there a 'native' way to have your guest brought down and
autologged? I suppose I'm looking for a CP command which instead of
allowing the guest to say.. IPL - actually signals it off
If this were You Bet Your Life, you'd win the prize,
Right -- SIGNAL I know about.. but you can only SIGNAL SHUTDOWN ..
How about a SIGNAL SHUTDOWN -R ;-)
Thanks - Scott
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Nick Laflamme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Scott Rohling wrote:
Is there a 'native' way to have your guest
Maybe use kernel parameter vmpoff=IPL or IPL devaddr and have linux do
'power off' or 'halt -p'
see Device Drivers Features and Commands manual
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Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote:
Maybe use kernel parameter vmpoff=IPL or IPL devaddr and have linux do
'power off' or 'halt -p'
see Device Drivers Features and Commands manual
vmpoff is not required in order for SIGNAL SHUTDOWN to work. IPL is only required for
startup.
--
Rich Smrcina
VM
Well - I'm not looking to reipl -- that's just a shutdown -r now .. I want
the userid 'logged off' - the guest control blocks out of z/VM memory - and
then for it to come up via XAUTOLOG or whatever method would reload the
guest back into memory with the current directory info as when you
Scott Rohling wrote:
Well - I'm not looking to reipl -- that's just a shutdown -r now .. I
want the userid 'logged off' - the guest control blocks out of z/VM
memory - and then for it to come up via XAUTOLOG or whatever method
would reload the guest back into memory with the current directory
It would be a cool function to have in CP! Submit a requirement!
Marcy
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If you have AUDITOR set up for it, he will check for your special userid
and after it has been shutdown/logoff via SIGNAL, he will XAUTOLOG it.
Sort of like what TCPIP does for its list of servers.
/Tom Kern
Rich Smrcina wrote:
Scott Rohling wrote:
Well - I'm not looking to reipl -- that's
I didn't explain something very well in my initial post..
In the 2nd paragraph, where I talk about a CMS guest..
I meant to say that I could have a guest running CMS who could captures MSGs
or SMSGs sent to it -- and have a RECYCLE EXEC it ran if it received a
message of 'recycle' from a Linux
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