It depends on the data, and sometimes it should be off.
Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Operating System
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It depends on the data, and sometimes it should be off
On the Left.
/Tom Kern
Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Why does it puzzle you? With it in the middle, you
can see some lines either side of it. That can be
handy. I see no real value to making it the top
line.
I like to have everything where my eye goes naturally,
so I do want the curline at... actually NEAR... the top.
My profile, and
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Not to forget: with PREF ON RIGHT, the cursor column
displayed by the termulator corresponds to the place in the
file... easier than looking at XEDIT's scale.
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The current, not command, line
Of Shimon Lebowitz
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Why does it puzzle you? With it in the middle, you
can see some lines either side of it. That can be
handy. I see no real value to making it the top
line.
I
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Yes Shimon,
Although I don't agree with most of your XEDIT settings, to each his
own.
I do agree that anyone caught setting PF3
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:28:18 +0200, Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Another religious war: PF3!
It was always a QUIT, and then some OtherSystem people
started setting it to FILE. And then they ask for help,
and I type stuff, but press PF3, and... AAArrrgghh!
Did TSO set it to FILE
,
Richard Schuh
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Then don't ask me for help on your machine.
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Not if it is for their own use
Right is right.
Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Any experienced
support person who does not do that, or who cannot
function with the system defaults as delivered by
IBM, is way too set in his/her ways. It is not yours
to dictate to the users.
Technically you might be right, but I think any of us
who have worked a certain way for
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=
= Any experienced
= support person who does not do that, or who cannot
= function with the system defaults as delivered by
= IBM, is way too set in his/her ways. It is not yours
= to dictate to the users.
=
=Technically you might be right, but I think any of us
On Thursday, 02/21/2008 at 01:04 EST, Ray Mansell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right is right.
I was just wondering if we could put this thread to rest?? I don't have a
convenient kill-file mechanism and I'm being overrun by
my-way-is-better-than-your-way posts.
Tom gets a Chuckie Award for
Just two small comments to Alan's list:
To summarize for those who may have skipped a few of these posts:
- XEDIT is good unless you don't like it
- ISPF is good unless you don't like it
- ICCF is good unless you don't like it
- Left is right. And vice versa.
- Three rights make a U-turn
Two
Subject: Re: Impromptu XEDIT Survey: Enough already!
Just two small comments to Alan's list:
To summarize for those who may have skipped a few of these posts:
- XEDIT is good unless you don't like it
- ISPF is good unless you don't like it
- ICCF is good unless you don't like it
- Left
Operating System
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Then don't ask me for help on your machine
That is why I place a special xedit macro on the 'y' disk that sets
things like I am used to. When I go to someone else's session, I always
issue my macro before I do anything major in xedit.
Tony Thigpen
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Sent: 02/21/2008 03:01 PM
Any
Two Wrights make an airplane.
Brian Nielsen
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Two wrongs don't make a right
But then there's the story about the two Chinese murderers that provided
the proof that two Wongs can definitely make a wight
Is it
Ladies, gentlemen, please... While I'm not quite at the For the love
of God, Montressor! level of exhaustion on this topic, I beg you all:
Please, let's allow this thread to die a peaceful, noble, dignified death.
Your humble moderator and list janitor,
-dan.
I set it on the right. I HATE it on the left! :-)
David Wakser
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On the right for me!
That's the problem with XEDIT - it's so darn flexible it can be whatever
you want!!
Colin Allinson
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Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Right! So when I hit newline it's in the body not the prefix area.
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Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
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On the left, of course.:-)
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On the right?
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Ohh goody ...a mid-week religious war!! Man the cannons! Mount the
horses! Call up the reserves, this could be a long war!:-)
My initial thought was: On the LEFT, naturally -- where God intended it
to
be! If it belonged on the right it would be called
Left for English, right for Hebrew.
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On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
I like it on the right.
Adam
On the right, of course.:-)
That way, both the prefix area and the next line are both a single keystroke
away. From anywhere on a line, a CR takes you to the beginning of the next
line, a TAB takes you to the prefix area.
And then there's the human-factors aspect of wasting valuable
Some of you kids may not remember or you aren't old IBM'ers but this
was all hashed out in about 1980 with the IBM internal availability of
XEDIT. I don't know that anyone has the archives of the old IBMVM
list. It would be interesting to see the arguments in it. EDGAR, the
favorite (my
Obviously, on the left. That¹s why everyone was so ecstatic when the extra
³=² was added to the command line prompt.
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Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Are you INSANE?!? :-)
It belongs, as you say on the left or on the right, of course. A True VM
Bigot, believing in infinite diversity in
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Chip Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way, both the prefix area and the next line are both a single keystroke
away. From anywhere on a line, a CR takes you to the beginning of the next
line, a TAB takes you to the prefix area.
You mean you actually
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Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
CLEARLY the prefix belongs on the RIGHT.
After all, VM is a right coast operating system,
not some left coast monster like certain flavors of Unix!
Seriously,
I prefer prefix positioned on the right for reasons Mark Pace mentioned.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Huegel, Thomas [EMAIL
On the left. For continuation, use SI.
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On the right, of course
Agreed!
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On the left, until you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
It's
On the right so the emulator column indicator = data column.
Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
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On the left, until you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
It's much easier to see which line it applies to when it's close to the
text, which is generally near the beginning of the line.
Also, I've always liked that newline takes me to the prefix area.
Brian Nielsen
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On the right?
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I like to have it on the left.
It makes it easier to see which blocks of data you would like to copy or
move, for lines that do not extend all the way over to the right side of
the screen.
Basically whatever you are used to.
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Huegel, Thomas wrote:
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
Isn't there enough hatred and intolerance in the world already without
bringing this up? Isn't XEDIT big and powerful enough to include all of us
with all of our various needs?
Sir Kris The Guide runs with Prefix on Right by default (of course).
Only when frequent deletes/moves I set it left.
As I mentioned here already: when I saw XEDIT for the very first time,
the demonstrating colleague entered and in XEDIT's command line.
And indeed I shamelessly copied his idea,
,
Richard Schuh
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Kris,
You do not have a macro for: SET SYN @ SET PREFIX ON CENTER?
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Sir
BETA
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I like it on the right. I can concentrate easier that way.
And the command line on top... :-)
Ivica Brodaric
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At 01:56 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote:
I have the unsubstantiated general impression that people from
blue states seemed to want it on the right, and people from red
states seem to want it on the left. If that is correct, the
universe shall come to an end soon. Where's the restaurant, and my
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XEDIT Survey
Where does the prefix field belong?
On the left?
or
On the right?
I have the unsubstantiated general impression that people from blue
states seemed to want it on the right, and people from red states seem
to want it on the left. If that is correct, the universe shall come to an
end soon. Where's the restaurant, and my blanket?
Mike Walter
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* My initial thought was: On the LEFT, naturally -- where God intended it to
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I have the unsubstantiated general impression that people from blue
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If that is correct, the universe shall come to an end soon. Where's
the restaurant, and my blanket?
Towel. The cool frood never loses his towel, not his blanket.
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Sir Kris The Guide runs with Prefix on Right by default (of course).
Only when frequent deletes/moves I set it left.
As I mentioned here already: when I saw XEDIT for the very first time,
the demonstrating
On 2/20/08 15:57 Rob van der Heij said:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Chip Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way, both the prefix area and the next line are both a single keystroke
away. From anywhere on a line, a CR takes you to the beginning of the next
line, a TAB takes you to the
Left unless I need it on the right. (happens)
Ed Martin
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For me it must be the left side - always and forever!
Thank you,
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Count me in on the left side. Right side...isn't that for ICCF? :-)
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'SET CMDLINE TOP'
'SET PREFIX NULLS LEFT'
'SET NUMBER ON'
'SET SCALE ON 3'
'SET CURLINE ON 4'
'SET ENTER IGNORE COMMAND CURSOR HOME PRIORITY 30'
'SET MSGLINE ON -1 10 OVERLAY'
'SET FULLREAD ON'
'SET SPILL WORD'
'SET TOFEOF ON'
'SET STAY ON'
'SET WRAP ON'
This electronic transmission and any
On the RIGHT of course, and the command and scale lines at the TOP. I
don't know who thought the command line should be in the middle, but I
guess the TOP vs BOTTOM vote was a tie.
I really thing that the lefties are just lefties because they had
previously used that lousy MVS editor which
: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:36 PM
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'SET CMDLINE TOP'
'SET PREFIX NULLS LEFT'
'SET NUMBER ON'
'SET SCALE ON 3'
'SET CURLINE ON 4'
'SET ENTER IGNORE COMMAND CURSOR HOME PRIORITY 30'
'SET MSGLINE ON -1 10 OVERLAY'
'SET FULLREAD
And who decided that the curline should be in the middle by default?!?!
That one puzzles me.
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Left. Mostly because I only had some MVS folks to help me with VM when
I took over its support again in 1999 (after starting on BSEPP in 1979
and going through VM/XA in 1989). It was an attempt to help them work
without their ISPF blanket/menus by giving them an editor that looked
something like
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People, can we please let this thread die?
XEDIT has only been around for 20+ years now, and you still want to
argue about this stuff? :-o
Really! Get a life!
, February 20, 2008 1:15 PM
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On the RIGHT of course, and the command and scale lines at
the TOP. I don't know who thought the command line should be
in the middle, but I guess the TOP vs BOTTOM vote was a tie.
I really thing
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