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On: Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:54:45PM -0400,Jim Bohnsack Wrote:
} You must be a kid if you don't know what 5081 cards are or am I the only
} one on the list who does?
I remember them. I tossed a full box of them in my la
On: Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:54:45PM -0400,Jim Bohnsack Wrote:
} You must be a kid if you don't know what 5081 cards are or am I the only
} one on the list who does?
I remember them. I tossed a full box of them in my last cross country
move in 1997.
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Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richg
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one on the list who does?
Jim
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John,
> carry 5081 cards in my pocket
Wow! 5,081 cards in your pocket!?
Must be really small cards or really big pockets!
Talk about playing with a full deck! :-)
Ah, it's F
h a full deck! :-)
Ah, it's Friday, isn't it?
Mike Walter
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Never ran into that with a 3088, but I certainly did back with a 3705.
We ended up having that Ctrlr on a channel switch which we had to
disable when booting. Early during an HPO release (4.somethng IIRC), we
even saw it interfere with a CP IPL until we worked with a Standalone
Dump and Level I
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Watch that dark ages stuff, Chuckie. By the time I saw that problem, I
was
no longer keying on a
Watch that dark ages stuff, Chuckie. By the time I saw that problem, I was
no longer keying on an 029 or maybe 026. I had graduated to a 3278 or
3279, altho I did then and still do carry 5081 cards in my pocket.
Jim
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In the Dark Ages (stone knives and bear s
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> I never saw the problem on a 3088 - we had a 9088 that apparently did
the right
> thing when it received the IPL reset signal :) In any event, this
applies to
> anything that causes an interrupt when the stand-al
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I know you can do that as a crude FSF file, but you can't BSF without
CMS. A CP
you get the
UE, then ipl 1 more time.
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>I think you're messing around with the "Keep It Simple Stupid"
>principle.
I think you missed the at the end of that, which is a -
indicating humor.
>Jim
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>At 10:10 AM 6/9/2006, you wrote:
>>Maybe I'll write an
I think you're messing around with the "Keep It Simple Stupid"
principle. An ipleable utility would require a 2nd tape drive at a D/R
site. To avoid seeing the ipl error, you're going to have to ipl from a
different address and then hope that you're FSF'ing the correct number of
files/tape ma
thout the HDR records, you shorten the
process by 2 IPL commands.
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Ipling a HDR1 gives you an IPL Unit Error. That's most of what I
see. There is one other ipl error message that you see once in a while,
but any error comes back right away. If you really do hit something you
want, there is no error message and then you start giving the program some
attn int
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That was my point, 2nd level you have to use CMS to do the tape
poisitoning, there is not a CP command. If you're logged onto a userid =
that doesn't normally have access to CMS (ex. a z/OS guest) there is extr=
a
work to do to get CMS runnin
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>> How about TAPE FSF ( VDEV is 181 as a default)
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>TAPE is a CMS command, not a CP command.
But from second level cms:
Tape FSF N
CP term con 3270
Cp IPL CL LOADPARM CUU
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> How about TAPE FSF ( VDEV is 181 as a default)
TAPE is a CMS command, not a CP command.
How about TAPE FSF ( VDEV is 181 as a default)
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And of course if
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>I call this Psuedo-standard labels because of the lack
And of course if you're running 2nd level you can use CMS to forward spac
e
the tape to the appropriate location before you IPL it. It's faster and
you won't see any IPL failure messages.
Too bad CP only provides command to REWIND the tape to the load point and
none to forward/backward space
g System
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I call this Psuedo-standard labels because of the lack of HDR1, EOF1, EOV
labels. This has worked well enough for at least 12 years of successful
Disaster Recovery exercises. The only
I tell the DR vendor assistant to IPL device that I have my initial
sysres backup tape loaded on. I run ONE standalone DDR to restore MY sysr
es
and then IPL my sysres to restore the rest of the system. Our MVS people
use
the vendor's floor system to load a PDS of job control information and
ubject: Re: DDR to standard labeled tapes
I call this Psuedo-standard labels because of the lack of HDR1, EOF1, EOV
labels. This has worked well enough for at least 12 years of successful
Disaster Recovery exercises. The only problem I have hit is remembering t
o
IPL the tape drive twice to
I call this Psuedo-standard labels because of the lack of HDR1, EOF1, EOV
labels. This has worked well enough for at least 12 years of successful
Disaster Recovery exercises. The only problem I have hit is remembering t
o
IPL the tape drive twice to get to my standalone DDR program that leads m
y
Thanks Brian, just wanted to be sure I wasn't overlooking anything.
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That's pretty much it if you want to use standard labels.
From DDR's point of view it doesn't matter what the file is that was
skipped. It could be a volume label, an IPL'able copy of DDR, or a VMFPLC
2
That's pretty much it if you want to use standard labels.
From DDR's point of view it doesn't matter what the file is that was
skipped. It could be a volume label, an IPL'able copy of DDR, or a VMFPLC
2
DUMP.
One caveat, though: if you're using a product to mount the SL tapes for
you then yo
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